[00:00] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: I'll be here, I'm connected form my server
[00:00] <rick_h_> but I'll be out tomorrow
[00:01] <gamerchick02_> I am here! on the air.
[00:02] <gamerchick02_> xchat azure FTW
[00:11] <gamerchick02_> hah, it's funny seeing both my names in IRC chat.
[00:30] <gamerchick02> rick_h_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/993187/comments/146
[00:31] <gamerchick02> so much "me too" BS in this thread, it makes my head hurt. i read it the other day too
[00:31] <rick_h_> yea, it's a really bad bug report
[00:33] <rick_h_> Blazeix: https://devcenter.heroku.com/changelog-items/86
[00:34] <gamerchick02> well, it's turned into a forum post thing
[00:34] <gamerchick02> i'm surprised this didn't pop up when everything was going through testing
[00:35] <snap-l> gamerchick02: I'm sure it did, and folks thought "it'll get fixed in post"
[00:35] <snap-l> and then it never did.
[00:35] <snap-l> or Intel decided to go cheap again
[00:35] <snap-l> (and try offshoring their drivers again)
[00:35] <gamerchick02> lordy
[00:36] <gamerchick02> so i was WRONG to get a shiny new i-series processor. :(
[00:36] <gamerchick02> oh, and that's what the lockup issue is on the intel macs too. since apple has gone to intel i-series, they're having this issue crop up.
[00:36] <gamerchick02> fixed in post? what does that mean?
[00:37] <snap-l> It's an expression in radio / TV
[00:37] <gamerchick02> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/993187/comments/117 comment #117 is supposed to be a workaround. i'd rather not use it
[00:37] <snap-l> means someome will edit it before it's released (post-production)
[00:37] <gamerchick02> oh. thanks.
[00:38] <gamerchick02> other than this issue, no problems with the new release. ahem.
[00:38] <snap-l> Also can be used sarcastically to mean that "someone will fix it later", which ends up meaning nobody fixes it.
[00:38] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: well, to be fair, my experience with this is really erratic
[00:38] <rick_h_> I've not had it happen at all today
[00:38] <rick_h_> but the other day I had it happen 5 times in 10 boots
[00:38] <rick_h_> and the syslog is empty of details
[00:38] <rick_h_> I need to check kernel log/etc as well but haven't yet
[00:39] <rick_h_> and there's been a few kernel updates since 12.04 came out, so curious if it's been introduced
[00:39] <gamerchick02> exactly!
[00:39] <rick_h_> and a bug report like this doesn't help anyone that can make a difference
[00:39] <gamerchick02> i've had it happen 3 times in a day (day being after work, after 5 pm to usually 9 or 10 pm)
[00:39] <gamerchick02> 5 times in a "day"
[00:39] <gamerchick02> or even NO times in a day
[00:39] <snap-l> http://heroesagainstdarkness.blogspot.com/p/game-rules-download.html
[00:40] <gamerchick02> i had the computer from suspend this morning and it worked fine
[00:40] <rick_h_> and I've had it mostly right after boot when I've been starting up all my network stuff
[00:40] <rick_h_> which made me think it might be network related or chrome related
[00:40] <snap-l> Or may be ahci related
[00:40] <gamerchick02> i checked something this morning (weather, i think) no problems, then came back from work, came back from suspend, had a crash. rebooted, was doing some stuff in chrome, had another crash.
[00:41] <rick_h_> video is possible though, I've had issues where when my displays go to sleep, they don't come back
[00:41] <gamerchick02> that's a problem as well
[00:41] <rick_h_> so there's some stuff going on, always fun when you get the first gen of new hardware
[00:41] <gamerchick02> are you using the integrated video, rick_h_?
[00:41] <snap-l> (acpi, rather)
[00:41] <rick_h_> yea, intel integrated on the laptop is it
[00:42] <gamerchick02> i know i am. and if the purchase of a video card will fix it, i will go to microcenter next weekend (funnily enough, when the boy is coming to visit again) and install a shiny nVidia card.
[00:42] <snap-l> The boy?
[00:42] <gamerchick02> Brian
[00:42] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: this is on a desktop?
[00:42] <snap-l> ATI / AMD should work as well
[00:42] <gamerchick02> desktop
[00:43] <rick_h_> ah ok
[00:43] <gamerchick02> you're an AMD fan, aren't you, snap-l. so is he. :)
[00:43] <snap-l> WEll, I've had god luck with them recently
[00:43] <rick_h_> amd should shut its doors :P
[00:43] <snap-l> I'm a fan of what works, and what's more open
[00:43] <gamerchick02> i've had decent luck with nVidia.
[00:43] <rick_h_> they've not been relevent in mobile for what? 5 or 6 years?
[00:43] <gamerchick02> please, no holy wars in the chat room.
[00:44] <snap-l> rick_h_: and Intel has produced a high-quality video card for how many years running?
[00:44] <snap-l> Let me do some back of the envelope math here, and... NEVER!
[00:44] <rick_h_> bah, I've had good luck and keep on buying all intel all the time
[00:44] <rick_h_> because linux + nvidia/ati has been a world of awesomesauce...except not :P
[00:44] <gamerchick02> i'm already in a mixed relationship. he like Fedora, i like Ubuntu. he has an iPhone, i have an Android.
[00:45] <gamerchick02> s/like/likes, dangit
[00:45] <rick_h_> sounds like he's got some splainin to do :P
[00:45] <snap-l> rick_h_: I'd ask how anti-aliased screens are, but you wouldn't know that with an Intel card. ;)
[00:45] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ he's a fan of what works. actually, so am i.
[00:45] <rick_h_> :)
[00:45] <gamerchick02> he started out on Red Hat. i started on Ubuntu.
[00:45] <gamerchick02> *le shrug*
[00:47] <gamerchick02> some people are confirming that kernel 3.4 fixes the Ivy Bridge chips. do we know an ETA for when it will be in the updates?
[00:47] <gamerchick02> even proposed would work.
[00:47] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Likely not in an LTS
[00:47] <snap-l> It'll probably drop in 12.10
[00:47] <gamerchick02> oi
[00:47] <gamerchick02> Intel i5 3570K 3.40 GHz, 6MB cache
[00:48] <gamerchick02> that is my CPU
[00:48] <gamerchick02> MSI Z77MA-G45
[00:48] <gamerchick02> that is my motherboard.
[00:48] <rick_h_> yea, Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3360M CPU @ 2.80GHz here
[00:48] <gamerchick02> i tricked out the CPU. highest you can go without going i7
[00:49] <gamerchick02> at first i thought it was a heat issue because i turned my fans down to reduce noise
[00:49] <gamerchick02> so i turned the fans back up and that did... nothing.
[00:49] <gamerchick02> http://amysramblings.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/new-desktop/ if you want to read about the whole thing, there it is.
[00:50] <gamerchick02> i think i need to eat my words regarding: A. Apple, and B. not having issues with this desktop.
[00:50] <gamerchick02> though it's running fine right now
[00:55] <gamerchick02> snap-l, do you think it will hit backports or proposed?
[00:55] <snap-l> Not sure
[00:56] <rick_h_> well, what might happen is it hitting a PPA to use for a bit
[00:56] <snap-l> If there's major problems with the 3.3 series that 3.4 fixes, it might happen
[00:56] <rick_h_> or jump on the 12.10 beta early :)
[00:57] <gamerchick02> rick_h_: i found this too: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/999910
[00:58] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ i'm not sure about running the beta
[01:01] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: hmm, so that seems to imply that 3.2.0-27.42 is stable so that might come down the pipe
[01:01] <gamerchick02> yeah
[01:01] <gamerchick02> i think it's in proposed
[01:01] <gamerchick02> i can enable that and do the upgrade,then turn it off, right?
[01:01] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: will so honestly, I'd try to hold out a little bit and see if it gixes itself
[01:02] <gamerchick02> ok
[01:02] <gamerchick02> i will
[01:02] <gamerchick02> i've always got the air
[01:02] <rick_h_> it's a pita I know, trust me. but it seems to be centered aroud graphic heavy stuff, flash
[01:02] <rick_h_> according to these bugs you're linking
[01:02] <gamerchick02> ah ha.
[01:02] <gamerchick02> flash
[01:02] <gamerchick02> die flash die
[01:02] <rick_h_> well, I'm sure that sends the cpu/video into a tizzy
[01:03] <gamerchick02> yes
[01:07] <gamerchick02> well, all seems stable right now
[01:08] <gamerchick02> i'm going to suspend and pop some popcorn and watch TV
[01:08] <gamerchick02> it's 9 pm, and i'm tired
[01:08] <gamerchick02> i'll be on tomorrow after i drive up to Saginaw and after dinner. probably after 8 pm or so. see everyone then! night.
[11:55] <shakes808> morning
[11:56] <brousch> yessir
[12:56] <snap-l> GOod morning
[12:57] <brousch> So far
[13:55] <jrwren> good morning ubuntu!
[14:02] <snap-l> Greetings, Macintosh
[14:03] <snap-l> ;)
[14:04] <brousch> Howdy
[14:04] <PainBank> ola
[14:25] <jrwren> you can call me macintosh on desktop all you want.
[14:25] <jrwren> but my ubuntu server is where my heart is.
[14:31] <brousch> Who cares about your heart. What's in your pocket?
[14:33] <jrwren> iphone
[14:33] <jrwren> and soon, raspberrypi
[14:34] <snap-l> The raspberrypi looks interesting
[14:35] <jrwren> i have mine, then I found I don't have any usb micro cables, so I ordered a couple and a couple SD cards :)
[14:36] <snap-l> show and tell at CHC / MUG? :)
[14:38] <jrwren> no.
[14:38] <jrwren> but maybe michipug
[14:38] <snap-l> bah
[14:38] <jrwren> or a fanzoo code night.
[14:39] <snap-l> But Raspberry Pi would be awesome for MUG
[14:39] <snap-l> Youshould come out. :)
[14:39] <snap-l> We'll buy you dinner
[14:40] <jrwren> i really hate driving in oakland county. after a 2hr drive to lake orion last saturday, i've decided to avoid oakland county as much as possible for the next year.
[14:40] <snap-l> What did we do now?
[14:40] <jrwren> just traffic.
[14:41] <jrwren> Washtenaw is so traffic free we might as well be west texas.
[14:41] <snap-l> Says the person who lives near a stadium that becomes a large city during games.
[14:41] <jrwren> 6 days a year for very few hrs of the day.
[14:41] <jrwren> the traffic is less than what oakland county gets every day of the week year around.
[14:41] <snap-l> jrwren: You need to balance out your carbon footprint
[14:41] <snap-l> come to MUG
[14:42] <jrwren> maybe next year.
[14:42] <jrwren> hit me up in 2014
[14:42] <snap-l> pffft
[14:42] <brousch> We have about half a dozen people with raspberrypies in GRLUG
[14:42] <snap-l> I hope Chrysler builds a headquarters in your front yard.
[14:42] <brousch> You really don't have any at MUG?
[14:43] <snap-l> brousch: I'm not aware of anyone
[14:43] <snap-l> I didn't pick one up
[14:43] <brousch> I didn't either. Not until I have a project to use it on
[14:48] <PainBank> I want one!  soon...
[14:48] <PainBank> anyone seen this: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-joins-GENIVI-creates-Ubuntu-IVI-Remix-1242314.html
[14:48] <jrwren> i can't wait to play with it :)
[14:48] <PainBank> I want my, I want my, I want my Ubuntu in my car....
[14:49] <jrwren> that is OLD :)
[14:49] <PainBank> sure. just found out about it a couple weeks ago... anyone have new info on it?
[14:49] <jrwren> interesting to see "ubuntu" replacing meego
[14:50] <PainBank> big C insider info?  :D
[14:50] <PainBank> hehe, right.
[14:50] <PainBank> well, meego adoption was weak...
[14:50] <jrwren> nope, but they are only using ubuntu core.
[14:50] <jrwren> probably their own UI stack on top
[14:50] <jrwren> hehe, or maybe boot to gecko
[14:51] <PainBank> I would expect so for the demo at least.
[14:51] <PainBank> now that would be interesting, but I doubt it.
[14:57] <snap-l> WEll that was fun
[14:57] <snap-l> machine panicked
[15:02] <brousch> It saw the thermometer and freaked out
[15:05] <snap-l> Nah, Chrome managed to die
[15:06] <snap-l> HAve never seen an app panick the CPU before
[15:06] <snap-l> hope it's not hardware issues.
[15:07] <brousch> You get one of those fancy new ivy bridge machines like rick_h_ and gamerchick?
[15:20] <snap-l> no
[15:22] <brousch> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Mac-Mini-Desktop-MB138LL-A-August-2007-snow-leopard-/271010627535?pt=Apple_Desktops&hash=item3f197dffcf#ht_500wt_1217
[15:22] <brousch> bah, sorry
[15:38] <jrwren> don't do it.
[15:38] <jrwren> that is garbage.
[15:41] <brousch> not for me
[15:41] <brousch> but why is it garbage?
[15:41] <brousch> my friend is looking for a cheap, small computer like that to run one program
[15:41] <brousch> supports osx or windows
[15:46] <snap-l> Next person that sends me something as a .doc file is getting it proofread and critiqued and sent back to them
[15:47] <snap-l> if you want me to edit it, send it as a .doc. If you want me to read it, send it as a .pdf
[16:01] <snap-l> brousch: You like testing my patience, don't you?
[16:04] <snap-l> brousch: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110113014537/uncyclopedia/images/a/a9/You're_Doing_It_Wrong.jpg
[16:05] <snap-l> brousch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20cYO9lw86g
[16:32] <jrwren> a 2007 mac mini? for $265? You'd be better off buying a brand new $199 computer
[16:32] <jrwren> i'm very anti-macmini. IMO they are not good. old ones are worse of course, but even a brand new one, I would not want.
[16:58] <brousch> jrwren: It has to be a tiny computer.
[16:58] <brousch> snap-l: :D
[17:00] <brousch> I haven't been able to find a new tiny computer for much less than $400, so $265 for a mac mini seems like a good deal
[17:03] <jrwren> raspberry pi? :)
[17:06] <jrwren> installed zentyal... like the idea, hate the ads in the default package. I'm surprised debian packaged it.
[17:07] <brousch> Tiny computer with windows or osx
[17:09] <jrwren> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119056&cm_sp=Cat_Barebone_%26%2347%3b_Mini_Computers-_-Best_Sellers-_-56-119-056
[17:09] <jrwren> add a DIMM and SSD and you are set.
[17:12] <brousch> barebones ($155) + SSD ($50) + RAM ($15) + Windows ($100) = $320 without keyboard and mouse
[17:13] <brousch> And shipping
[17:14] <brousch> But what is better? Foxcon netbook guts in a tiny case, or a used mac mini?
[17:14] <jrwren> wait for windows8 and its only $50 :)
[17:14] <jrwren> i'm just mentioning how much i hated my mac mini
[17:14] <jrwren> you are free to make your own decisions.
[17:15] <jrwren> macmini comes with no KB or Mouse, so you have to buy those, adn PC ones will work, but the experience is terrible. so you pay the apple tax on KB and Mouse
[17:15] <jrwren> now you are at +100 for KB&Mouse from apple.
[17:15] <brousch> What did you hate about it?
[17:16] <brousch> This computer will basically be setup once and will sit there for years without updates, not on a network
[17:16] <brousch> It will be for a proprietary eye exam software
[17:17] <jrwren> might be ok for that.
[17:17] <jrwren> be sure to get apple KB, PC KB on OSX is a nightmare.
[17:17] <brousch> Requirements: win95 or better, Mac OS9 or better
[17:17] <jrwren> O_O
[17:17] <jrwren> i'm done.
[17:18] <brousch> I told him to get an old laptop, but he wants a tiny box
[17:18] <jrwren> AFAIAC This is vintage boutique hobbyist category of toys.
[17:18] <brousch> All it really does is put up pictures so the patient can read the letters
[17:19] <brousch> But it needs a cool remote!
[17:20] <brousch> The remote is a mini bluetooth keyboard. They are selling it for $65. I found it at many places for < $20
[17:20] <brousch> http://www.sharpva.com/order.html
[17:23] <brousch> Ah well, I've given him the options
[17:24] <brousch> It is a tiny thing he is using to distract himself from the important purchases
[17:27] <brousch> In other news, ooooooh http://www.reghardware.com/2012/07/06/dell_seeks_linux_fans_to_test_ubuntu_ultrabook/
[17:38]  * snap-l signed up
[18:29] <jrwren> KVM and libvirt are teh awesome
[18:59] <snap-l> God, I fail sqlalchemy
[19:00] <snap-l> hooking up to multiple external databases + local sqlite3 = no tables created for sqlite3
[19:00] <snap-l> figured out the order of things, I think.
[19:41] <brousch> jrwren: http://www.django-ahoy.com/
[19:41] <brousch> Wow, that's a lot of modules
[19:43] <jrwren> cool
[20:04] <brousch> My son has asked that I add Trolololo to his music playlist