[06:08] <Kilos> morning all
[06:08] <Kerbero> more kilos
[06:09] <Kilos> dag Kerbero koud hier en daar
[06:10] <Kerbero> 11 buite, 15 binne
[06:10] <Kerbero> met die heater aan
[06:10] <Kerbero> so ek kan nie kla nie
[06:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:11] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria
[06:11] <Maaz> Kilos: In Irene, South Africa at 6:52 AM SAST on July 06, 2012: 5°C; Humidity: 93%; Wind: ESE at 4 km/h; Conditions: Fog; Sunrise/set: 6:54 AM SAST/5:29 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 8:30 PM SAST/8:43 AM SAST
[06:12] <Kilos> yay Maaz is fixed
[06:17] <superfly> Morning oom Kilos
[06:18] <Kilos> hiya superfly 
[06:25] <magespawn> Morning all
[06:26] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[06:26] <magespawn> Hey kilos
[06:28] <Kilos> magespawn, maaz is fixed
[06:28] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria
[06:28] <Maaz> Kilos: In Irene, South Africa at 6:52 AM SAST on July 06, 2012: 5°C; Humidity: 93%; Wind: ESE at 4 km/h; Conditions: Fog; Sunrise/set: 6:54 AM SAST/5:29 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 8:30 PM SAST/8:43 AM SAST
[06:29] <Kerbero> Maaz: weather in stellenbosch
[06:29] <Maaz> Kerbero: In Cape Town, South Africa at 8:00 AM SAST on July 06, 2012: 10°C; Humidity: 82%; Wind: NNE at 30 km/h; Conditions: Mostly Cloudy; Sunrise/set: 7:50 AM SAST/5:48 PM SAST; Moonrise/set: 9:02 PM SAST/9:30 AM SAST
[06:29] <magespawn> I have a problem with an external  hard drive, I am  not sure the best way to go
[06:29] <magespawn> Cool Killos
[06:29] <Kilos> what is is doing magespawn 
[06:29] <Kilos> fsck it
[06:30] <magespawn> Ntfs file system, will that work?
[06:30] <Kilos> i think it checks everything
[06:31] <Kilos> im trying to find the command
[06:33] <Kilos> its been stolen off my desktop i go look external
[06:36] <Kilos> magespawn, fsck -f /dev/sdb1
[06:36] <Kilos> if your ext is sdb1
[06:37] <magespawn> Thanks Kilos
[06:37] <Kilos> yw
[06:38] <Kilos> magespawn, http://askubuntu.com/questions/47700/fix-corrupt-ntfs-partition-without-windows
[06:38] <Kilos> dunno if that will help
[06:41] <magespawn> Busy reading
[06:41] <Kilos> otherwise one of the data rewcovery tools
[06:42] <Kilos> recovery
[06:43] <Kilos> In our case, our small hard drive has previously been formatted as NTFS. Amazingly, TestDisk finds this partition, though it is unable to recover it.
[06:43] <Kilos> testdisk is in repos as are scalpel and
[06:44] <Kilos> photorec
[06:46] <magespawn> I used those before, the main problem here is I do not enough space to recover the information to, 690 odd GB
[06:46] <Kilos> eish
[06:47] <Kilos> what does the drive actually do/show
[06:47] <Kilos> massive drive that
[06:51] <Kilos> magespawn, is the drive bootable?
[06:54] <Kilos> as in does it have windows on it or is it just storage
[06:58] <magespawn> No just storage.
[06:59] <Kilos> does fsck work?
[06:59] <magespawn> Have not tried yet.
[07:03] <superfly> magespawn: You said you have a problem, but you didn't say what the problem is?
[07:04] <magespawn> The drive loads but when you try to see whats on it no fioes show, when you look at the drive in gparted or such it shows the drive with 690 gb full
[07:04] <magespawn> Files
[07:05] <sflr> morning!
[07:05] <superfly> morning sflr
[07:05] <magespawn> So I figured corrupt file system. Can't use a recovery program, do not have enough space to recover it to.
[07:06] <magespawn> Morning sflr
[07:08] <magespawn> superfly it is also ntfs file system
[07:08] <Kilos> morning sflr 
[07:11] <magespawn> More info?
[07:12] <Kilos> magespawn, In our case, our small hard drive has previously been formatted as NTFS. Amazingly, TestDisk finds this partition, though it is unable to recover it.
[07:12] <Kilos> eish sorry
[07:12] <Kilos> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fix-corrupted-windows-ntfs-filesystem-ubuntu/
[07:14] <superfly> magespawn: is is a 700gig drive?
[07:14] <superfly> or 750?
[07:14] <magespawn> No 1tb
[07:15] <superfly> ah, OK
[07:16] <superfly> and 690G of it is used
[07:16] <magespawn> Fsck error: fsck.ntfs : not found
[07:16] <superfly> gotcha
[07:16] <magespawn> Yes
[07:17] <superfly> magespawn: you need to install ntfsprogs
[07:17] <magespawn> Okay cool.
[07:17] <Kilos> magespawn, above link might be what you want
[07:17] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[07:17] <superfly> magespawn: try ntfsfix first though
[07:20] <magespawn> Okay that seemed to run okay brb.
[07:27] <magespawn> Hold on going to move chat to the laptop.
[07:27] <magespawn> Brb
[07:31] <Kilos> superfly, have you done this before?
[07:31] <superfly> Kilos: no, I just read it online :-D
[07:32] <superfly> "ntfsfix is a utility that fixes some common NTFS problems. It repairs some fundamental NTFS inconsistencies, resets the NTFS journal file and schedules an NTFS consistency check for the first boot into Windows."
[07:32] <Kilos> ah i save all the commands you guys give to help peeps
[07:32] <Kilos> so you adding to my data bank ty
[07:33] <Kilos> just battle to find the right things at times
[07:34] <Kilos> i find fixing things much more challenging than normal pc use
[07:48] <charl> morning all
[07:48] <Kilos> yo charl 
[07:48] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:02] <inetpro> Maaz: weather Pretoria
[08:02] <Maaz> inetpro: I'm not feeling too well
[08:02] <inetpro> Kilos: no it's not fixed!
[08:02] <inetpro> Kilos: it depends on the weather station 
[08:03] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria
[08:03] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me
[08:03] <Kilos> uh oh
[08:04] <inetpro> if you go to the site you will see that you get different weather stations from time to time, not sure why
[08:04] <inetpro> http://m.wund.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?brand=mobile_metric&query=Pretoria
[08:05] <Kilos> they did say they are having probs
[08:05] <Kilos> did you see my paste last night or yesterday avy
[08:06] <inetpro> Kilos: which paste?
[08:06] <Kilos> post
[08:06] <Kilos> i got a reply mail from them
[08:07] <inetpro> ahh
[08:07] <inetpro> 05/07 17:16:14 <Kilos> Thank you for the note.  It appears that this station is having technical issues.
[08:07] <Kilos> ytip thats it
[08:07] <Kilos> qp just gave waterkloof reading
[08:09] <Kilos> inetpro, should i ask the ibid guys to fix maaz too
[08:10] <Kilos> yo Kerbero[dsp] 
[08:10] <inetpro> Kilos: no
[08:10] <Kilos> ok
[08:10] <inetpro> Kilos: the crash kid will probably upgrade in due time
[08:10] <inetpro> checking the weather can't be that important
[08:11] <Kilos> lol he is so busy there in yankeeland
[08:11] <inetpro> I rest my case
[08:11] <Kilos> hehe
[08:11] <Kilos> did that last fix only do weather
[08:12] <Kilos> not a general update to ibid
[08:12] <inetpro> Kilos: remember, the tumbling weed and his buddies have also not really fixed the issue yet
[08:13] <Kilos> sflr, ++
[08:13] <inetpro> Kilos: perhaps time for you to learn some coding and start helping them :-)
[08:13] <Kilos> i would love to inetpro 
[08:14] <Kilos> just the membering of python stuff dont stick
[08:14]  * inetpro bbl
[08:20] <sflr> inetpro there are different weather stations reporting from and around Pretoria. It is displaying the weather station's name, not the city, eg: for Pretoria you can get "Observed at Waterkloof, South Africa"
[08:21] <sflr> yeah Kilos, get into some Python! :)
[08:22] <Kilos> will keep trying to get it membered. python and vim
[08:24] <sflr> vim is not that difficult. just use a vim cheat sheet to help you out: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/vimcheat.html
[08:26] <Kilos> ty sflr 
[08:30] <Kilos> if i look at that page online can i use the print function to get it to my desktop
[08:31] <Kilos> opera of course
[08:31] <Kilos> if i tick print where does it go to
[08:32] <Kilos> no printer here
[08:36] <Kilos> yay that works great
[08:39] <Kilos> no need to convert html to pdf
[08:43] <inetpro> Kilos: can't you read HTML?
[08:44] <Kilos> yip but they always open with browser and sneek online info
[08:44] <Kilos> so wasted data
[08:46] <inetpro> BTW, to learn vim is really simple, just run vimtutor
[08:46] <inetpro> vimtutor is part of the vim-runtime package
[08:46] <Kilos> learning isnt the prob, its remembering what i learned that sucks
[08:47] <inetpro> Kilos: remembering comes with practise
[08:47] <Kilos> sigh
[08:47] <Kilos> ek sukkel met my volk
[08:48] <inetpro> Kilos: you still have a very good memory
[08:48] <Kilos> some things seem to stick but the important stuff dont
[08:48] <Kilos> or i member in when trying to sleep
[08:48] <Kilos> hehe
[08:54] <inetpro> Kilos: that is very normal
[08:54] <Kilos> haha
[08:55] <Kilos> no wonder the world is in such a state then
[09:00] <Kilos> gc version
[09:00] <gc> Kilos: I am version 0.1.0
[09:00] <Kilos> shame
[09:01] <Kilos> qp version
[09:01] <QP> Kilos: I am version 0.2.0dev
[09:02] <Kilos> qp leave #ubuntu-za
[09:04] <Kilos> Maaz, upgrade yourself
[09:04] <Maaz> Kilos: Sorry...
[09:09] <Kilos> can one modify vim to use l r u p instead of h l k j
[09:10] <Kilos> l r u d i meant for left right up down
[09:11] <Kilos> or is there a reason for using h l k j
[09:39] <Kilos> never mind
[09:39] <Kilos> dPhi, who you? dlimit?
[09:41] <charl> Kilos: you are a hard core ballie with that vim
[09:42] <Kilos> lol no man learning. my fingers dunno where the keys are i need to look for each one
[09:43] <charl> that's fine, it's good to see more people using vim
[09:43] <charl> emacs is for gnubies :)
[09:43] <charl> the emacs vs vim debate is a bit like the linux vs bsd debate
[09:43] <Kilos> haha
[09:44] <Kilos> dont vim and python go hand in hand?
[09:44] <charl> i think vim and anything goes hand in hand :)
[09:44] <charl> but if you throw some bash scripting into that mix it sounds like a unix party
[09:45] <Kilos> what about kate or is that different
[09:45] <Kilos> oh ya text ed
[09:45] <charl> kate is for knubies :)
[09:45] <charl> lol i just made up a word
[09:45] <charl> kde-newbies
[09:45] <Kilos> ssssshhhhh the fly will jump on you
[09:46] <charl> if you want to go hard core you must use openbsd or a tiling window manager
[09:46] <charl> *openbox
[09:46] <charl> my fingers automatically type openbsd lol
[09:46] <Kilos> sjoe no man give me 20 years before you make suggestions like that
[09:47] <charl> :D
[09:47] <charl> Kilos: now in 20 years you
[09:47] <charl> you're still young enough, you never get too old for this
[09:47] <charl> sorry hit return by accident
[09:47] <Kilos> lol
[09:48] <charl> i irc from my laptop so my keyboard isn't always that handy
[09:48] <Kilos> in 20 years i will have overstayed my legal limit
[09:48] <charl> lol
[09:48] <charl> there was this guy that used to work for my dad, they used to call him "suurstof"
[09:49] <charl> it was because he was an old dude and they said he was just around stealing oxygen
[09:49] <Kilos> hi jaysen 
[09:49] <charl> hi jaysen 
[09:49] <Kilos> ya the young peeps got funny ideas
[09:49] <jaysen> greetings
[09:49] <Kilos> but everyone gets there
[09:49] <Kilos> jaysen, first time here?
[09:49] <charl> by the way things are going, next thing the politicians will start accusing old people of helping global warming by exhaling green house gasses
[09:50] <jaysen> guys, can i interrupt with a quick question please?
[09:50] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[09:50] <charl> jaysen: yes of course, this is what the channel is for :)
[09:50] <Kilos> go for it jaysen 
[09:50] <jaysen> not really, but its been a long while
[09:50] <jaysen> :)
[09:51] <Kilos> ask and with luck you will get the right answer
[09:51] <jaysen> A friend working with www.capetowntv.org to produce a second 13 episode series on media freedom ( check the last outline: http://www.communitymedia.org.za/alt-media-resources/272-free-media-free-minds-)
[09:51] <jaysen> they are doing a show on "IP & Piracy" asking 'who are the real pirates?'... and are looking for Cape Town based studio guests who can speak on the topic... any suggestions? 
[09:51] <charl> that's a very good question, we have a few capetonians here
[09:51] <jaysen> anyone from the club here?
[09:51] <jaysen> clug
[09:51] <charl> maybe ask superfly or Kerbero 
[09:51] <jaysen> i meant
[09:51] <charl> yeah clug would be a good one
[09:52] <charl> who else lives in cape town?
[09:52] <Kilos> sflr
[09:52] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[09:52] <charl> hi magespawn 
[09:52] <charl> ah yes sflr too
[09:53] <magespawn> hi Kilos, charl
[09:53] <Kilos> Banlam, where are you
[09:53] <charl> jaysen: you might have to hang around for a while, seems like your cape town people are not in front of irc right now
[09:53] <Kilos> jaysen, they very busy so be patient
[09:53] <magespawn> things just went absolutely mad
[09:54] <Kilos> what happened magespawn 
[09:54] <jaysen> no prob. i'll do that
[09:54] <jaysen> thanks
[09:54] <Kilos> yw jaysen join clug as well
[09:54] <magespawn> just ppl/customers needing my attention while I am trying to get this drive sorted
[09:54] <Kilos> and visit us more often
[09:55] <Kilos> oh thats good magespawn 
[09:55] <magespawn> yup
[09:55] <jaysen> going there now. and i think i will, thanks :)
[09:55] <magespawn> can you remember what superfly said i had to inst;;
[09:55] <magespawn> install
[09:55] <magespawn> ntfs-progs?
[09:56] <Kilos> sec
[09:56] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install ntfs-3g
[09:57] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs
[09:57] <magespawn> thats it
[09:57] <Kilos> sudo ntfsfix /dev/<device name>
[09:59] <Kilos> you can also try chkdsk from a windows drive i think
[10:00] <Kilos> normally only wants to do it on reboot if i member
[10:00] <magespawn> the problem with chkdsk is the win does not see the drive at all
[10:01] <Kilos> haha then maybe the boot sector is hurt
[10:01] <Kilos> use boot-repair to check it
[10:02] <Kilos> if windows doesnt see a boot sector or mbr it sees nothing
[10:03] <Kilos> never mind the TB of data stored there
[10:04] <Kilos> where is the clug channel?
[10:04] <Kilos> i get nothing if i join #clug
[10:05] <charl> Kilos: it's on atrum
[10:05] <charl> another irc network
[10:05] <charl> irc.atrum.org
[10:06] <charl> there's #clug and then some of the guys also hang out in # but that's just for random chatting and nonsense
[10:06] <magespawn> magespawn@magespawn-laptop:~$ sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdb1
[10:06] <magespawn> Mounting volume... OK
[10:06] <magespawn> Processing of $MFT and $MFTMirr completed successfully.
[10:06] <magespawn> NTFS volume version is 3.1.
[10:06] <magespawn> NTFS partition /dev/sdb1 was processed successfully.
[10:06] <magespawn> thats what happens after I run those commands
[10:13] <Kilos> ty charl 
[10:13] <Kilos> yay magespawn  is it good again??
[10:14] <Kilos> or is it lying to you
[10:22] <magespawn> lying I think still cannot see the files
[10:24] <Kilos> try running boot-repair and see if it finds errors
[10:25] <Kilos> do you want to save the data?
[10:25] <jaysen> ah, thanks charl 
[10:26] <magespawn> Kilos kind of have to
[10:26] <Kilos> jaysen, what irc client are you using
[10:27] <Kilos> whew magespawn 
[10:27] <jaysen> colloquy
[10:27] <Kilos> borrow another one so you can testdisk
[10:27] <Kilos> another ext so you got space i mean
[10:27] <Kilos> irc://irc.atrum.org
[10:28] <Kilos> jaysen, if i right click that i can join atrum like that
[10:28] <Kilos> shows a connect button
[10:29] <Kilos> then in atrum just type in /j #clug
[10:30] <Kilos> magespawn, try with 
[10:30] <Kilos> um
[10:31] <Kilos> gparted to move the stuff to the end of that drive then try install ubuntu on the beginning
[10:31] <jaysen> k, thanks
[10:33] <Kilos> yw
[10:33] <Kilos> i dunno colloquy i use xchat
[10:41] <bakuman> ho Kilos 
[10:41] <Kilos> yo bakuman 
[10:42]  * bakuman is listening to I'm Going Slightly Mad by Queen on Greatest Hits 2 @ 03:34 [Clementine]
[10:42] <bakuman> O_O
[10:42] <bakuman> Mad!
[10:43] <Kilos> lol
[10:45] <Kilos> magespawn, shout when you have time i found some more links you can look at
[10:45] <Kilos> heres one
[10:46] <Kilos> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13706/recover-deleted-files-on-an-ntfs-hard-drive-from-a-ubuntu-live-cd/
[10:51] <bakuman> lol at the video file in the post: DefinitelyNotPorn.avi
[10:57] <Kilos> yo Password 
[10:57] <Password> hi
[10:57] <Kilos> crazy nick you got
[10:57] <Password> hah
[10:58] <Kilos> what are you the password for
[10:58] <Password> everything
[10:58] <Kilos> ah seen you here before with other nick
[10:59] <Password> i have never been on this channel
[11:00] <Kilos> newnowknowhow looks familiar
[11:00] <Kilos> someone elses pc?
[11:01] <bakuman> Password: ********
[11:01] <Password> chatzilla's default
[11:02] <Password> *********
[11:02] <Kilos> well anyway if its your first time here, then welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:02] <Password> thanx
[11:02] <Kilos> are you a ubuntu user?
[11:05] <Password> nope
[11:05] <Password> i have run ubuntu at times
[11:05] <Kilos> wow why not?
[11:06] <Password> i like my gamesw
[11:06] <Password> *games
[11:06] <Kilos> ah ya
[11:06] <Password> and i'm lazy
[11:08] <Password> maybe if i get a new external i will run ubuntu on it
[11:08] <Password> that way i can use varsity internet to heep it updated
[11:08] <Kilos> you cant dual boot?
[11:08] <Password> i can
[11:09] <Kilos> thats easier than using an external isnt it
[11:09] <Password> i have ubuntu on my pc as backup
[11:09] <Password> yes
[11:09] <Kilos> ah
[11:09] <Password> but its not portable
[11:09] <Kilos> oh
[11:10] <Kilos> i forget most peeps move around a lot
[11:15] <Password> have you guys heard of ubuntu being ported to android tablets?
[11:16] <tumbleweed> Password: it's happening, yes
[11:16] <tumbleweed> but due to the fragmentation of the ARM world, pretty much each tablet has to be targetted separately
[11:16] <Password> i think my one friend has already done it
[11:17] <Password> on his galaxy tqb
[11:17] <Password> *tab
[11:17] <tumbleweed> 12.04 is expected to support the zatab
[11:18] <tumbleweed> I mean 12.10
[11:20] <Password> i have never heard of the zatab
[11:20] <tumbleweed> I don't think it's been announced yet
[11:21] <Password> but i'm getting the tf201 asus tab soon
[11:23] <charl> hi all
[11:23] <charl> hi tumbleweed, Password 
[11:23] <Password> hi charl
[11:23] <tumbleweed> hi
[11:24] <charl> Password: i seem to have a problem, could you please help me with this?
[11:24] <charl> user@kalinka:~$ sudo -s
[11:24] <Password> with what?
[11:24] <charl> [sudo] password for user:
[11:24] <charl> what should i type in here?
[11:24] <Password> ah
[11:24] <Password> ********
[11:24] <jaysen> lol
[11:24] <Password> naturally of course
[11:24] <charl> ah i see, thanks!
[11:24] <charl> yeah i could never figure it out
[11:25]  * Password afk
[11:32] <Kilos> HawkiesZA, hiya
[11:33] <HawkiesZA> Afternoon
[11:34] <HawkiesZA> Did anything interesting happen while I was away?
[11:34] <magespawn> hey Kilos got that link ty
[11:35] <Kilos> yeah mage fighting with a ntfs drive
[11:35] <Kilos> yw mage there are more hey
[11:36] <HawkiesZA> Oh fun
[11:37] <magespawn> Kilos I only saw the one
[11:37] <Kilos> ya and he hasnt space to do a data recovery to
[11:37] <HawkiesZA> I've finally installed Ubuntu on my work machine. I couldn't take it any more
[11:37] <Kilos> i only gave one magespawn , you want more
[11:37] <Kilos> lol\
[11:37] <magespawn> just checking it after that ntfs repair on a windows machine
[11:38] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1930333
[11:38] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/112150/how-to-correctly-fix-a-dirty-ntfs-partition-without-using-chkdsk
[11:39] <Kilos> http://www.howtoforge.com/ntfs-disk-recovery
[11:39] <Kilos> http://www.diskinternals.com/
[11:40] <Symmetria> heh
[11:40] <Kilos> hope one of them work for you otherwise format it with gparted and say sorry data gone
[11:40] <Symmetria> you gotta love companies and institutions that are willing to pay to avoid paperwork
[11:40] <charl> hi HawkiesZA, Symmetria 
[11:40] <Kilos> Symmetria, heh
[11:40] <Symmetria> one of the lines of business Im in, is processing applications for people for ip space and other such things
[11:40] <Symmetria> and I literally tell them what documentation I need, write a 2 page document, then send some emails
[11:40] <HawkiesZA> Hi charl 
[11:40] <Symmetria> and bill R20k for it :p
[11:41] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:41] <Symmetria> and they dont blink 
[11:41] <Kilos> do a few more Symmetria i only need R13k
[11:41] <HawkiesZA> Symmetria, pretty awesome job there
[11:42] <Symmetria> :P they are lucky I dont double the amount considering its afrinic I gotta deal with LOL
[11:42] <Kilos> hehe
[11:50] <jaysen> afk
[12:14] <inetpro> Kilos: those hjkl come from your typewriter days when they didn't have a navigation keys yet
[12:14] <inetpro> all part of the QWERTY story
[12:16] <inetpro> Apparently the typewriter keys jammed easily 
[12:16] <inetpro> to solve the jamming problem, another business associate, James Densmore, suggested splitting up keys for letters commonly used together to slow down typing
[12:18] <magespawn> so that no matter how fast you could type the physical act of moving your fingers gave the keys enough time to get out of the way
[12:25] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[12:25] <Kilos> ty for that info
[12:33] <bakuman> goeie ou qwerty
[12:33] <Kilos> yip
[12:34] <Kilos> eerste qwerty wat ek gesien het was as n appy in die poskantoor op die telex en telegram masjiene
[12:35] <Kilos> maar tot nou nog nie geleer om te tik sonder om te kyk
[12:35] <Kilos> dom donner
[12:39] <Password> inetpro
[12:40] <Password> qwerty was not to make you type slower
[12:40] <Password> but reduced hammers hitting eachover
[12:40] <Password> why would one type slower to type faster
[12:43] <inetpro> Password: http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/qwerty.htm
[12:43] <Password> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY
[12:45] <inetpro> Password: but you are right
[12:45] <inetpro> QWERTY's effect, by reducing those annoying clashes, was to speed up typing rather than slow it down.
[12:46] <inetpro> but at the same time, "The only efficiency it added was to slow the typist down, since almost any word in the English language required the typist's fingers to cover more distance on the keyboard."
[12:47] <Password> i disagree
[12:48] <Password> because that would not make a speed improvment
[12:48] <Password> and why would he spend alot of money change a design
[12:48] <Password> when all was needed for the typist is to type slower
[12:50] <Kilos> one maybe needs to look at an old typewriter of the time where every key was manually coupled with levers to the letters
[12:51] <Kilos> many machines jammed by typing too fast
[12:51] <Password> to unjam a typewriter is trivial
[12:51] <Kilos> but typists always brag about their speed and showed it by typing so fast keyboards jammed
[12:52] <inetpro> well I guess we can't argue with the guy who actually rearranged that keyboard at this stage
[12:52] <Password> Herbert S. Zim, in his classic introductory cryptography text "Codes and Secret Writing", gives the English letter frequency sequence as "ETAON RISHD LFCMU GYPWB VKXJQ Z", the most common letter pairs as "TH HE AN RE ER IN ON AT ND ST ES EN OF TE ED OR TI HI AS TO"
[12:52] <Password> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequency
[12:52] <Password> i think if we used that list and compare it to diffrent keyboard layout
[12:53] <Password> we may ariive at a suitable conclusion
[12:53] <Kilos> methinks it doesnt matter qwerty is here to stay
[12:53] <Password> i agree
[12:53] <Password> anyway
[12:53] <Password> i have to study
[12:53] <Password> yuck
[12:53] <Kilos> lol
[12:53] <Kilos> enjoy
[13:02] <magespawn> DVORAK keyboards have different key layout and they allow you to type faster because of that, wand with less strain
[13:02] <magespawn> superfly you there?
[13:12] <Kilos> dPhi, ping
[13:12] <Kilos> hey drussell 
[13:14] <drussell> Kilos: howdy 
[13:16] <Kilos> magespawn, whats happening?
[13:21] <magespawn> looks like i am going to have to another drive to recover the info to
[13:22] <Kilos> maybe read up on testdisk and see if you cant make it save to the same drive it is checking
[13:23] <Kilos> something in head says something can do that
[13:23] <Kilos> actually recover in position
[13:24] <magespawn> yes they can but is risky if the disk is damaged
[13:24] <Kilos> 700g is lots. will run for days
[13:24] <Kilos> do you know where to borrow a tb drive
[13:24] <Kilos> they are expensive arent they
[13:30] <magespawn> 8 or 9 hundred rand
[13:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:30] <Kilos> but not bad if you think i paid 200 for a second hand 6g
[13:30] <Kilos> they saw me coming
[13:31] <magespawn> i am just trying to make sure that is the root to go
[13:32] <Kilos> data recovery is a good game to be in
[13:32] <Kilos> they charged my boet 6k to recover data off his lappy drive that crashed
[13:35] <Password> ouch
[13:36] <Password> and that is why one should backp
[13:36] <Kilos> yip there is money to be made from guys without IT knowhow or friends
[13:38] <magespawn> i would not charge that much unless it was a corporate, most ppl would get my standard rate
[13:38] <Kilos> good
[13:38] <magespawn> I also would not charge for the time while the machine is running, only time I am actually there
[13:38] <Password> what is you standard rate
[13:39] <magespawn> R200 per hour
[13:39] <Kilos> but doing that kinda work can grow ones income lots
[13:39] <Kilos> whew
[13:39] <Password> thats not bad
[13:39] <Kilos> if it takes weeks its heavy
[13:40] <Kilos> then you can get a tb drive just for that purpose magespawn 
[13:40] <charl> you can get services like carbonite that don't cost an arm and a leg
[13:40] <Kilos> one good recovery will pay it
[13:40] <charl> proble for you south africans is that the internet is slow/expensive
[13:40] <Password> it took me about a halfhour of my own work to recover my files the other day
[13:40] <magespawn> what I am saying is that if the machine runs for six hours recovering the data, but I only sit there for one, I would charge for one
[13:41] <Kilos> ah
[13:41] <charl> *problem
[13:41] <charl> but you really do need online backups
[13:41] <Kilos> those recovery tools are slow but good
[13:41] <Password> or just an external drive
[13:41] <Kilos> then once recovered often you can format drive and its still good
[13:41] <magespawn> would be ideal charl but most people do not have that kind of connection here
[13:41] <Password> i have heard of drive rocoveries costing upwards of 10k
[13:42] <charl> yeah well that's the thing
[13:42] <magespawn> depends on what is wrong
[13:42] <magespawn> bbl
[13:42] <magespawn> got to go out
[13:42] <Kilos> go safe
[13:42] <Password> and the equipment one uses
[13:42] <Kilos> one rhino tusk will cover it
[13:45] <charl> i see the slogan "kill a rhino, get your data back"
[13:45] <Kilos> often one can do recoveries by installing winsucks again ad doing recovery after doing fixmbr and fixboot
[13:45] <superfly> magespawn: am now
[13:46] <Kilos> he went out superfly 
[14:47] <Kilos> hehe @charl
[14:47] <Kilos> i missed that
[14:49] <charl> lol
[15:01] <charl> later all
[15:26] <magespawn> right guys i am out of here for now 
[15:28] <magespawn> thanks for all the help today Kilos, superfly and the others
[15:29] <magespawn> cheers
[15:35] <Kilos> aw
[15:45] <Squirm> evening
[15:47] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[16:30] <Kilos> yo mazal 
[16:44] <Kilos> yo charl roryy 
[16:45] <charl> hi
[17:24] <Kilos> hi Ludo 
[17:24] <superfly> Hi Kilos
[17:25] <Kilos> hi superfly all well there?
[17:27] <superfly> Good thanks, the mrs and I are on a date
[17:27] <Kilos> yay keep the romance alive
[17:28] <Kilos> say hi mrsfor me
[17:28] <Kilos> oh my
[17:28] <Kilos> no tabs the aunty gone
[17:29] <superfly> Kilos: mrs_fly says hi to you too, and she hopes you have a good evening
[17:29] <Kilos> ty
[17:41] <Kilos> yo smile 
[17:45] <smile> hi :p
[17:46] <smile> Kilos: I don't understand the difficult operators in python at http://www.ibiblio.org/swaroopch/byteofpython/read/operators.html
[17:46] <smile> :p
[17:47] <Kilos> what dont you understand smile 
[17:48] <Kilos> hmm where are the python peeps
[17:48] <Kilos> dont worry the fly he is onna date
[17:50] <Kilos> asking me is like you trying to fix an automatic gearbox
[17:54] <Kilos> i understand only the first 5
[17:54] <Kilos> others are inna strange language
[17:59] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:59]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[18:02] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[18:02] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[18:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:03] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:03] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:03] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:03] <magespawn> Howdy
[18:03] <Kilos> did you have any success lad
[18:06] <Kilos> jaysen, did you come right with a speaker
[18:07] <Kilos> or am i mistaken
[18:09] <superfly> magespawn: I got your mail, but I'm not the right person to respond
[18:09] <superfly> magespawn: but I'll make sure it gets seen to
[18:10] <magespawn> Thats part of the reason I sent it to you superfly
[18:11] <magespawn> Kilos we are going to get a second drive.
[18:11] <Kilos> to save onto?
[18:11] <magespawn> Yup, I was wanting to get one anyway.
[18:11] <Kilos> just remember mosta the files come out as numbered files not named
[18:12] <jaysen> Maaz, a martini please
[18:12] <Maaz> jaysen: Go get it yourself!
[18:12] <Kilos> maybe there is a way to keep the names
[18:12] <Kilos> but i couldnt find it
[18:13] <jaysen> i think so Kilos, lots of potential speakers - colleague is following up
[18:13] <Kilos> good
[18:13] <jaysen> thanks again for the help
[18:13] <Kilos> yw
[18:13] <jaysen> can I have a Martini Maaz?
[18:14] <jaysen> Maaz, Martini on
[18:14] <Maaz> jaysen: Huh?
[18:14] <jaysen> :)
[18:14] <magespawn> Not too much of a problem if we cannot maintain the files.
[18:15] <Kilos> lol mage gave me many days of sorting and renamed 20g
[18:15] <Kilos> luckily photos etc you see what they are
[18:15] <Kilos> renaming
[18:16] <Kilos> but with those tools i blogged about you should lose nearly nothing
[18:16] <Kilos> aw 
[18:17] <Kilos> i wonder if that clone facility will work or if it copy all the corrupt stuff
[18:19] <magespawn> Usually with this problem it is just file record at the front of the disk that is damaged.
[18:20] <Kilos> hey there is another tool
[18:21] <magespawn> Yes?
[18:21] <Kilos> if im right you can boot from it into that drive
[18:21] <Kilos> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[18:21] <Kilos> got many repair tools on it too
[18:22] <magespawn> I have a copy of that, never tried that though.
[18:22] <magespawn> Will give it a go tomrrow.
[18:22] <Kilos> maybe if they have a user guide it will make it simpler
[18:23] <Kilos> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/roxio7.html
[18:25] <Kilos> maybe here
[18:25] <Kilos> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=13
[18:25] <Kilos> said something about tutorials
[18:30] <Kilos> oh you on the fone thing. will give them to you tomorrow
[18:31] <magespawn> Its cool Kilos I have made a note of them, ty
[18:32] <Kilos> ah good
[18:32] <smile> bye :p
[18:32] <smile> Kilos: hug :D
[18:32] <Kilos> ty smile lol
[18:32] <smile> :)
[19:01] <Kilos> sleep tight all of you. ill be back tomorrow
[19:01] <Kilos> Maaz, bye
[19:01] <Maaz> kbye Kilos
[20:00] <magespawn> Night all.