[01:01] <xubuntu036> Hi guys
[01:02] <xubuntu036> I am facing some problems.
[01:02] <xubuntu036> Anyone can help? :]
[01:03] <xubuntu036> Hi jason
[01:05] <Unit193> xubuntu036: Not with just that info we can't.
[01:05] <Unit193> !ask
[01:05] <jason2007> hello xubuntu036
[01:05] <xubuntu036> Can you help me please? :]
[01:06] <xubuntu036> I am in need of support
[01:06] <xubuntu036> Well, I was on Fedora, then I changed to Windows because the screen flickers. Now I've dual booted, both xubuntu & windows. The screen still flickers.
[01:07] <xubuntu036> only @linux, not on windows
[01:07] <TOE-Kitsune> is it when you turn the computer on?
[01:07] <jason2007> i don't duel boot ^.^
[01:07] <jason2007> sorry
[01:07] <xubuntu036> When I am on linux only
[01:07] <jason2007> can't help
[01:07] <xubuntu036> np
[01:07] <xubuntu036> Only when I am on linux
[01:07] <xubuntu036> I was on Debian too, the screen flickers
[01:07] <xubuntu036> but on windows, there is np
[01:08] <jason2007> have you tried archlinux or archbang?
[01:12] <MissVera> Anyone have any experience with Voyager? I need help, and no one seems to want to acknowledge Voyagers existence..
[01:15] <genii-around> !info voyager
[01:15] <genii-around> Hm
[01:15] <genii-around> ubottu as well seems to disavow knowledge
[01:16] <Mathsterk> lol
[01:16] <MissVera> http://voyager.legtux.org/
[01:18] <Mathsterk> MissVera: what's your problem?
[01:19] <MissVera> This piece of poop with wires that passes for a computer. Let me copy paste from another chat. onesec.
[01:20] <MissVera> But. "Ubi-language failed with exit code 1. Further info may be found in /var/log/syslog. Do you want to try running this step again before continuing? If you do not, your installation may fail entirely or may be broken. Last time i installed, I didnt get this error, but I had tons of issues that were resolved prior. Something about chroot
[01:20] <xubuntu0036> I got disconnected
[01:20] <MissVera> " (A) you need to install grub, (b) make initrds (c) update-grub" fixed all my previous issues. But I had to reinstall anyway. The fail install never made a user account so i was just locked out of everything. now theres this. and they asked for.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/1077384/
[01:21] <MissVera> Then, someone said to run memtest from the cd, and I got, ""cannot load a ramdisk with an old kernel image"
[01:24] <genii-around> MissVera: Unfortunately it's not a supported distribution here.
[01:25] <MissVera> But someone from here reccommended it to me. I've found similar issues on google. But, since its not supported, no one wants to attempt to figure it out?
[01:27] <Mathsterk> MissVera: get memtest, burn it to a cd or make a bootable usb-stick/mem-card/something, test and then see if your ram is ok or broken
[01:29] <genii-around> MissVera: Someone may take it up if they feel up to the task... but strictly speaking, it's a derivative which may be very different from the standard Xubuntu and so more problemmatic. The usual procedure is to refer people to the support for their specific derivative
[04:19] <xubuntu060> guys? need help
[04:21] <Unit193> !help
[04:21] <Unit193> Kinda need more. ;)
[04:21] <xubuntu060> !help
[04:22] <Unit193> ....
[04:22] <xubuntu060> okay, so I got ubuntu 12.04, and i installed xubuntu-desktop.
[04:22] <xubuntu060> then i restarted.
[04:22] <xubuntu060> and i got no desktop
[04:24] <Unit193> Did you see a login manager?  You can try to go into recovery mode and fix it.
[04:25] <xubuntu060> Well, I succelfully logged in, if you mean that
[04:26] <xubuntu060> How do I enter recovery mode?
[04:27] <Unit193> Soooo, if you can login, what exactly is the issue?
[04:29] <xubuntu060> There is no desktop after login. Topbar and panel on the bottom are working, but desktop isn't.
[04:31] <TOE-Kitsune> you installled xubuntu-desktop right?
[04:31] <xubuntu060> Yes
[04:31] <Unit193> Right, because nautilus is taking over I'd guess.  Try opening a terminal and typing   ps aux |grep nautilus   and see what that pulls up.  You may need to start thunar, or if compiz is running replcae with xfwm.
[04:31] <TOE-Kitsune> can you open a terminal at all?
[04:31] <TOE-Kitsune> yea xfwm4 --replace
[04:33] <Unit193> nautilus also likes taking over as well though.
[09:30] <xubuntu665> hi guys
[11:37] <xubuntu527> hi people. I have a really stupid question about installation
[11:38] <xubuntu527> I'm trying to get xubuntu on my Acer Aspire One D270
[11:38] <xubuntu527> anybody here that could/would help me?
[11:39] <well_laid_lawn> it should install ok, what's the problem?
[11:40] <xubuntu527> well. i burned the image to a pendrive with Universal-USB-Installer
[11:40] <xubuntu527> but when I try to boot the pendrive from the netbook... it just doesn't start
[11:41] <well_laid_lawn> did you go into your bios and make sure the comp will boot from usb first?
[11:41] <xubuntu527> yes it does
[11:41] <well_laid_lawn> k
[11:41] <xubuntu527> it writes a line on the screen and stops there
[11:41] <well_laid_lawn> what's the line?
[11:42] <xubuntu527> "SYSLINUX 4.06 EDD 4.06-pre1 Copyright (C) 1994-2011 H. Peter Anvia et al"
[11:42] <xubuntu527> that's all I see
[11:43] <xubuntu527> on my PC it bootet just fine
[11:43] <xubuntu527> booted*
[11:43] <xubuntu527> any ideas?
[11:44] <well_laid_lawn> I can make a guess
[11:44] <xubuntu527> yes?
[11:45] <well_laid_lawn> there is a different graphics card on the comp that won't boot it
[11:45] <well_laid_lawn> and it boots but doesn't show
[11:46] <xubuntu527> can I get a command line installer or something?
[11:46] <well_laid_lawn> try the safe graphics option
[11:46] <xubuntu527> how?
[11:46] <well_laid_lawn> should be in the menu iirc
[11:46] <well_laid_lawn> there's an alternate installer
[11:46] <well_laid_lawn> !alternate
[11:48] <well_laid_lawn> if there was an error it would have said
[11:48] <xubuntu527> oh ok, i'm downloading the alternate right now.
[11:48] <xubuntu527> thank you so far
[11:48] <xubuntu527> i'll might be back with even stupider questions afterwards
[11:51] <well_laid_lawn> stupid questions are ok :)
[11:53] <xubuntu527> by the way: why is MeeGo such an ugly useless thing? it is ... unbearable
[11:54] <well_laid_lawn> I've never seen it, which sounds like a good thing
[11:55] <xubuntu527> the basic desktop looks like a giant smartphone. it has a permanent tab for facebook+twitter+flickr
[11:56] <well_laid_lawn> it was probably built for a phone ...
[11:56] <xubuntu527> it was pre-installed on the netbook. we hate eachother
[11:57] <well_laid_lawn> good thing there's choice in the linux world then;)
[11:57] <blackgatocatnegr> Hi, I need to make "sysctl -w kernel.shmmax=$[33554432*2]" permanent, so I can run avast
[11:59] <well_laid_lawn> there might be a way to add that to the grub kernel line
[11:59] <oCean> blackgatocatnegr: add it to /etc/sysctl.conf
[11:59] <blackgatocatnegr> I have grub2
[11:59] <blackgatocatnegr> grub2 is a nightmare to edit
[11:59] <well_laid_lawn> grub2 has a kernel line
[11:59] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[12:00] <well_laid_lawn> that might not help
[12:00] <blackgatocatnegr> true
[12:00] <oCean> well_laid_lawn, blackgatocatnegr: once more, it should be added to sysctl.conf
[12:00] <well_laid_lawn> there you go
[12:01] <well_laid_lawn>  /etc/sysctl.conf
[12:02] <well_laid_lawn> blackgatocatnegr: how did you miss oCean 's mention of that before ?
[12:02] <blackgatocatnegr> I know how to restore grub2, editing it is the problem
[12:02] <well_laid_lawn> I was getting a beer < excuse
[12:03] <well_laid_lawn>  /etc/sysctl.conf
[12:03] <well_laid_lawn>  /etc/sysctl.conf
[12:03] <well_laid_lawn> point ^^
[12:03] <oCean> blackgatocatnegr: it has nothing to do with editing grub
[12:03] <blackgatocatnegr> I know
[12:06] <blackgatocatnegr> ok, added the line to the end of the file
[12:44] <xubuntu527> uhm, well_laid_lawn? i got the same with the alternate installer
[12:47] <xubuntu527> okay, the alternate installer isn't working either
[12:48] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu527: I thought that might happen
[12:48] <xubuntu527> how do I set it to text mode?
[12:49] <well_laid_lawn> that might not help if you need some setting for the graphics card
[12:50] <well_laid_lawn> try the safe graphics option
[12:50] <xubuntu527> where do I set it? how?
[12:50] <well_laid_lawn> or let us know what card you have
[12:51] <xubuntu527> "Integrated, Intel GMA 3600"
[12:51] <well_laid_lawn> iirc there's issues with that, one min while I check
[13:00] <well_laid_lawn> keep it in the channel please xubuntu527
[13:00] <well_laid_lawn> seems there's lots of issues with that card
[13:01] <well_laid_lawn> but he'll find out about that later
[14:16] <xubuntu185> Hi. Help me, please. After install and update xubuntu 12.04 i have text mode only, i want have graphic, startx doesnt work
[14:17] <ochosi> xubuntu185: what errors do you get?
[14:21] <xubuntu185> Fatal server error no screen found
[14:24] <blackgatonegro> Mmm
[14:24] <blackgatonegro> did you update xubuntu during install?
[14:24] <xubuntu185> yes, i checked that
[14:25] <xubuntu185> it was working, but after install 6 updates (50,7MB) i dont have graphic mode, only text tyy
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> All of ubuntu 12.04 versions have been reposted to have bugs after an upgrade to 12.04, the best option is usually to update with "Update manager" just after install, and install the video card drivers.
[14:26] <blackgatonegro> you probably had a bug with the video card driver
[14:26] <blackgatonegro> what video card do you have?
[14:26] <xubuntu185> fx5500
[14:30] <xubuntu185> i will try that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReyT56rTWnA
[15:03] <Debolaz> How do I make the session menu work in a vertical panel?
[15:57] <teranex> Hi everyone
[15:58] <teranex> I have a problem with my laptop running Xubuntu
[15:58] <teranex> as of this morning, when i boot it it first displays the xubuntu logo (plymouth), but then, instead of showing me the login screen, it simply shows a black screen and after a few moments turns of
[15:59] <teranex> I can hear the fan spin harder and harder, so it seems some process is using the cpu or gpu at a very high load, overheating the laptop
[15:59] <teranex> but I have no idea where to start looking
[15:59] <bazhang> !nomodeset | teranex
[16:00] <teranex> ubottu: I will try that. the strange thing however is that I have been using my laptop with xubuntu for two years now without any problems (upgraded to 12.04 a few days after it was released)
[16:01] <xubuntu181> hello everyone! :) i've been trying to install linux based os for some time,but i've been having some very bugging problems..:/ whenever i install it from wubi(windows installer),in DOS it says error,have no prefix...for hdd(0;0)....and stops instalation...
[16:03] <Unit193> It's really a better idea not to use wubi and just dual boot.
[16:04] <blackgatonegro> Yes it is
[16:05] <teranex> bazhang: I tried booting with 'nomodeset' (and without 'splash' & 'quiet'), but then I don't get a graphical environment at all. When I manually start GDM from the console (sudo service gdm start) I again get a black screen and here the fan spinning harder..
[16:06] <blackgatonegro> mmm
[16:06] <blackgatonegro> have you updated the video drivers?
[16:06] <teranex> not that I know (at least not in the past few days)
[16:06] <bazhang> teranex, in 12.04? isnt that lightdm?
[16:07] <blackgatonegro> update them to the laatest release, and change the settings to minimun
[16:07] <teranex> yesterday however, when I wanted to suspend my laptop it froze during suspend, but that happens from time to time with the proprietary amd drivers
[16:08] <blackgatonegro> also check setttings / settings manager / session and start up, and remove any programs you are not using.
[16:08] <teranex> bazhang: I tried with both lightdm and gdm (switched with dpkg-reconfigure) and I also tried both the closed and the open source drivers but they all result in the same behaviour
[16:09] <blackgatonegro> well, what video card you have?
[16:10] <teranex> a crappy ati radeon hd5400 mobile (if i remember correctly)
[16:11] <teranex> the open source driver works perfectly except that it can't keep the laptop at a reasonable temperature (90+ degrees C), while the closed driver keeps it at 'only' (ahum :/) 70 degrees C
[16:13] <blackgatonegro> have you tried bios settings?
[16:13] <blackgatonegro> usually all bios have powersave settings you can pick instead of "performance" ones
[16:14] <teranex> blackgatonegro: i already looked in the bios but couldn't find much configurable settings
[16:15] <blackgatonegro> if the bios does not have those options, then reset to default, also, make sure that in setttings / settings manager / power manager / OC the option "spin down hard disks is NOT checked
[16:16] <teranex> I also found some information on askubuntu (i think) that a bios update would solve it. But when I try to run the ubuntu bios update tool from Dell, it says that it is not supported anymore and I should use another tool from dell, which is not available for ubuntu.
[16:16] <teranex> blackgatonegro: that's nice tip, but since I can't get into X for the moment that's not really possible now :)
[16:19] <blackgatonegro> teranex, well, mayybe you should try with an older video driver
[16:21] <blackgatonegro> the oldest you can find in ubuntu repos
[16:23] <blackgatonegro> also, in grub, pick the second option, to boot in recovery mode, then pick "Fix broken packages" you must be online for that to work
[16:23] <teranex> I guess I'll just reinstall from scratch...
[16:23] <teranex> blackgatonegro: ah that is something i have not yet tried
[16:24] <blackgatonegro> when you install 12.4 )A make sure to be online )B Install with updates C) Mae sure to download propietary drivers D) In your case, pick an old video driver, the oldest you find
[16:24] <blackgatonegro> since the newb one is giving so much trouble
[16:27] <genii-around> teranex: If they just supply a bios image and the dos based flash update tool, you can do something like make a freedos bootable usb and put it all on there
[16:27] <teranex> genii-around: aha, that is an interesting idea
[16:28] <blackgatonegro> still, since the problem is the video driver, using an older one might solve the problem
[16:28] <genii-around> I've flashed a few machines this way
[16:29] <blackgatonegro> you could remove the video driver you got just botting as root in terminal, but you must be online and is a bit conplicated
[16:29] <blackgatonegro> not recomended unless you really know hat you are doing
[16:30] <blackgatonegro> had to fix video driver problems a few times that way in ubuntu
[16:30] <blackgatonegro> since X refused to start
[16:31] <blackgatonegro> accient story
[16:31] <blackgatonegro> mmm, now that I think about it
[16:31] <blackgatonegro> go to recovery mode
[16:32] <blackgatonegro> use the boot as root with networkworking option and
[16:33] <blackgatonegro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Blueprints/FailsafeX
[16:33] <genii-around> teranex: If you want, I can pm a link to the last freedos.img I used on one of my own machines here, it is not a bad starting point
[16:33] <teranex> oh, I fixed it :)
[16:34] <teranex> I entirely removed the closed drivers, and reinstalled them from the repo's and now I have the login screen again
[16:34] <bazhang> nice
[16:34] <blackgatonegro> still
[16:34] <blackgatonegro> confugure the card
[16:34] <blackgatonegro> to use as less resources as possible
[16:35] <teranex> so apparently the suspend and hard-shutdown from yesterday /did/ brake somethingj
[16:35] <teranex> hmm... now I just have a blue screen with a mouse pointer after login in :) already one step closer though...
[16:36] <blackgatonegro> and just to be safe, look for the old driver that used to work in the previous ubuntu you used
[16:36] <teranex> ah, no window manager is running it seems :)
[16:36] <teranex> blackgatonegro: thx
[16:37] <blackgatonegro> well
[16:38] <blackgatonegro> you can force start whatever gui you are using, just be sure to
[16:38] <blackgatonegro> exit xubuntu the right way this time
[16:47] <teranex> blackgatonegro: thx, it works!
[18:40] <Mokura> I keep getting annoying messages about "partial upgrades" (that I ignored - I did some forum searching and apparently it's bad mojo).  The troublesome updates seem to be related to the kernel (with oddly small sizes... metapackages maybe?) and libclutter.
[18:41] <Mokura> Is it possible that I'm still on a development channel or something similar for the update manager?  This happens every time I get updates for anything else.
[18:41] <Mokura> It's not the end of the world but it is a slight annoyance, so I was wondering if there was a way to ignore or hide those particular updates for the time being.
[18:56] <genii-around> Mokura: Do you have a more exact error?
[18:58] <Mokura> I can get a screenshot of the update manager - one moment.
[19:00] <genii-around> It might be more useful to see from the terminal what the output from something like: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade    is
[19:01] <Mokura> okay.
[19:02] <Mokura> The following packages have been kept back:
[19:02] <Mokura>   libclutter-1.0-0 linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[19:03] <Mokura> That's the only unusual thing I got, no problems with getting repository info.
[19:09] <genii-around> Mokura: And the second part finds no upgrades to apply?
[19:10] <Mokura> The held-back packages were the second part.
[19:11] <Mokura> (I did all my updates beforehand)
[19:21] <genii-around> Mokura: The held-back stuff is normal.
[19:22] <genii-around> Mokura: If you do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    does it groan about the kernels or whatever at that point?
[19:24] <Mokura> No, it says that they're going to be installed, instead
[19:24] <Mokura> with more proper looking space requirements
[19:24] <Mokura> Should I move on with it or leave it alone?
[19:25] <genii-around> Mokura: Might as well say yes and do the upgrade
[19:25] <Mokura> Alright.
[19:26] <Mokura> Was just unsure about the whole partial upgrade thing from my searching earlier.
[19:33] <Debolaz> How do I make the xubuntu session button on the panel work correctly when I make the panel vertical?
[19:33] <Debolaz> It doesn't change the direction of the text, so the text gets cut.
[19:34] <Mokura> Seems to work fine so far.  Guess I worry too much.
[19:34] <Mokura> Thanks.
[19:35]  * Debolaz really can't be the first person who wants a vertical, unity-like panel in Xubuntu. :-P
[19:35] <recon_lap> session button?
[19:36] <Debolaz> Yes. The button with your name on it in the panel, that you click on to log out, restart, etc.
[19:38] <Debolaz> It's called "Session Menu" in the panels item list.
[19:38] <recon_lap> Debolaz: I see
[19:39] <recon_lap> Debolaz: have you tried removing it from the pannel and adding it again?
[19:39] <Debolaz> recon_lap: Yes.
[19:40] <recon_lap> Debolaz: added a session menu to my vert panel and its fine
[19:40] <Debolaz> recon_lap: My username is "debolaz". This text gets cut off after "deb" because the panel isn't wide enough.
[19:41] <Debolaz> recon_lap: And while it's possible to widen the panel, that's not really an optimal solution.
[19:41] <Debolaz> recon_lap: How does it appear visually when you add it?
[19:41] <recon_lap> Debolaz: I've a short user name and a wide panel, aspect 10:16
[19:42] <Debolaz> recon_lap: I'd prefer to have a small panel, because it's a rather small screen. Wasting screen realestate because the session menu isn't well-designed feels… Wrong. :/
[19:43] <recon_lap> Debolaz: do you have a hoz pannel? put it on that
[19:43] <Debolaz> No.
[19:44] <recon_lap> Debolaz: think you down to writing your own session applet
[19:44] <Debolaz> recon_lap: I could probably fork the existing one and just replace the username with a normal icon.
[19:45]  * Debolaz did a similar thing with the notification applet so he would be able to notice it.
[19:45] <Debolaz> In vanilla ubuntu though.
[19:45] <recon_lap> Debolaz: shorter username :)
[21:05] <pjotter> Hi everyone. I recently installed Xubuntu 12.04 on my desktop computer and my notebook. In both installations I am getting a lot of crashes and automatic 'bug reports'. I get a lot of 'tumblerd' bug reports and there are a number of other applications that crash all the time. Is this a known problem? I never experienced this in Xubuntu 11.10. Should I revert to 11.10 and wait for newer release?
[21:19] <MissVera> So. I tried to install Xubuntu, and I get "Installation step failed" An installation step failed, you can try to run the failing item again from the menus or skip it and choose something else. The failing step is:Select and install software
[21:22] <GridCube> oh
[21:23] <GridCube> you mihgt have a broken image
[21:26] <MissVera> well.. I skipped it, and everything else installed, and now its just a black screen to log into. Like the terminal.  Which, I was able to log in. But theres nothing else
[21:26] <knome> yes, because installing packages failed
[21:27] <GridCube> ^^
[21:27] <pjotter> Just found this thread that seems to describe the same issue I'm having with Xubuntu 12.04: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1983952  Does anybody else experience a lot of crashes in Xubuntu 12.04 too?
[21:28] <GridCube> not really no
[21:29] <GridCube> what programs are the ones crashing?
[21:29] <knome> pjotter, have you installed xfce 4.10 ?
[21:29] <MissVera> knome, Gathered that. Was looking for some kind of Answer. or, Help.
[21:29] <GridCube> MissVera, you could try downloading the cd image again and check that its correct
[21:30] <pjotter> Strange. I am wondering what might be the cause. I installed Xubuntu on two different computers. The one is a desktop computer. The other a notebook. Both have AMD 64 processors with ATI cards.
[21:30] <GridCube> or maybe, just maybe, it wont probably work, try to sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[21:30] <knome> MissVera, what GridCube said the last :) ^
[21:31] <MissVera> knome, you're as helpful as I remember you being last time :)
[21:31] <pjotter> In the beginning I got a lot of 'crash reports' on a program called 'tumblerd'. And also 'colord' or something. But there are a lot of applications that seem to crash a lot. Audacity for example.
[21:32] <pjotter> knome: No, I have Xubuntu 12.04 'out of the box'.
[21:32] <GridCube> pjotter, thats very weird, i am using 12.04 on a bunch of machines and they get crash reports but nothing serious
[21:32] <GridCube> you probably need to find the common denominator on all the crashs
[21:33] <pjotter> I have been looking on the internet for this problem. Some people seem to get a lot of these, while others have no problem at all. I am beginning to suspect it might have something to do with hardware.
[21:33] <knome> i wonder if this is something related to ATI... wife's laptop had some (non-critical) crashes, and the laptop has ATI
[21:33] <knome> otoh, my desktop runs smoothly, with nvidia
[21:33] <GridCube> mmmhm, people with ati always have some sort of problems
[21:34] <GridCube> well no always, but most times than nvidia people
[21:34] <pjotter> I installed the pr
[21:34] <pjotter> oops..
[21:34] <GridCube> :)
[21:35] <pjotter> I installed the ATI/AMD driver. Maybe I should try to remvoe it?
[21:35] <pjotter> remove.
[21:35] <GridCube> mmhm
[21:36] <pjotter> I don't really use it anyway. No fancy stuff going on on my computer.
[21:37] <pjotter> I'll just try it and see if it solves the problem. If not, then I can always reinstall it.
[21:37] <GridCube> yep
[21:38] <pjotter> brb
[22:25] <chaosman> hi all
[22:26] <chaosman> is there a way to install .NET2.0 on 64bit xubuntu 12.04?
[22:26] <chaosman> I tried with Wine but no luck
[22:29] <GridCube> chaosman, no, i dont think you can do that
[22:30] <GridCube> chaosman, oh, look, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=3754&iTestingId=18546
[22:31] <chaosman> yeah
[22:31] <chaosman> but this is not for 64 bit system
[22:31] <GridCube> welp, i dont think wine cares about that
[22:32] <GridCube> tho i dont really know
[22:32] <GridCube> you should ask #wine
[22:33] <chaosman> I tried
[22:33] <chaosman> it cries
[22:34] <chaosman> sadly
[22:34] <GridCube> then you got you answer
[22:34] <GridCube> :)
[22:34] <GridCube> .net wont work on linux, i dont see much of a surprise there
[22:34] <chaosman> thats bad..
[22:34] <chaosman> I wanted to play Dragon Age
[22:35] <chaosman> :(
[22:35] <GridCube> it happen
[22:35] <GridCube> s
[22:38] <chaosman> thanks
[22:39] <chaosman> bye
[23:13] <martinphone> what with do I open a syn file?
[23:14] <knome> what is it supposed to be anyway?
[23:14] <martinphone> part of a dictinoary
[23:15] <martinphone> there i an ifo an syn and a idx
[23:16] <martinphone> guillemet (>> in one character space) is used to separate the concept from the definition, but in goldendict the guillemet appears in the concept, and must be written for goldendict to actually show the definition...
[23:16] <knome> judging by http://filext.com/file-extension/SYN (google ".syn file extension" for more similar results), i'm not sure if you're supposed to *open* it with anything, just link it to some dictionary app
[23:17] <martinphone> I need to open that file to see an example to copy
[23:17] <knome> martinphone, in that case, i'd use any text editor
[23:17] <martinphone> or, can I use geany to keep guillemet, but invisible while in goldendict?
[23:17] <knome> martinphone, if that doesn't work, you probably need a specific app anyway
[23:17] <martinphone> knome, I tried geany, but it say the encoding is not supported
[23:18] <knome> it's possible you need a specific app to open/edit/create those files then
[23:18] <martinphone> ic
[23:18] <martinphone> ill change to do anything else, i've been 6 hours editing code
[23:35] <faryshta> Hi. How do I manage the volume?
[23:35] <faryshta> I don't see any icon anywhere. Which is the command?