| len-dt | For those interested... we have an installable ISO once again. | 00:42 |
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| ailo | len-dt: Nice | 00:43 |
| len-dt | ailo, I left email on the list asking about qmidiroute and system monitor. | 00:45 |
| len-dt | Scott wants me to find out what others thnk. | 00:46 |
| ailo | len-dt: Right. I think it's a good thing to put things up on the email list by default. I should probably do that also, more. But, I suspect, not many will have opinions, and the ones who do, aren't ready to help. | 00:48 |
| ailo | But, that doesn't mean some good ideas come out of it | 00:48 |
| ailo | Which is always good | 00:48 |
| len-dt | I figure to wait till next week and if there are no real big complaints just do it. | 00:49 |
| len-dt | This is a cycle to try things out. | 00:49 |
| ailo | Sounds like a plan | 00:50 |
| ailo | Yep, anything can always be returned back to previous state | 00:50 |
| len-dt | Any other apps we should be adding? | 00:50 |
| ailo | len-dt: The only thing that comes to mind, that bothers me, is automatic updates | 00:51 |
| ailo | If they are automatic | 00:51 |
| len-dt | ailo, is that adding or removing? | 00:51 |
| ailo | They always used to be, I think | 00:51 |
| ailo | There are two things actually | 00:51 |
| ailo | No desktop sounds, and no automatic updates | 00:51 |
| ailo | If it's a pro multimedia system, you don't want desktop sounds when you're booting into a PA | 00:52 |
| ailo | No sound at all, unless you make it | 00:52 |
| len-dt | There are no desktop sounds right now. | 00:52 |
| ailo | Ok, good | 00:52 |
| ailo | I don't really know that stuff too well. Not testing the desktop enough, since I prefer to use Gnome3 | 00:53 |
| len-dt | I am not sure why... it looks like PA has them turned on. | 00:53 |
| ailo | Oh, sorry | 00:53 |
| ailo | I meant like a PA system | 00:53 |
| ailo | Or studio monitors, or whatever | 00:54 |
| len-dt | There must be a setting that is tured off. | 00:54 |
| len-dt | Or maybe there is just no sounds installed. | 00:55 |
| ailo | The desktop should initialize, and then stay the same for whatever duration you use it. No notices, no desktop sounds, no nothing. I think that is the best default really | 00:56 |
| len-dt | ailo, it is in "Appearance" | 00:56 |
| len-dt | enable event sounds is deselected by default as I did not turn it off. | 00:56 |
| len-dt | We do get notices by default | 00:57 |
| ailo | +1 from me | 00:57 |
| ailo | How about automatic updates? I think I had to turn that off? | 00:57 |
| len-dt | Ya, it is turned on by default... audio mode turns of cron and friends though. | 00:58 |
| ailo | I still think that the default "mode" should be good enough as it is. | 00:59 |
| ailo | If it isn't, it's because of HW problems, in which case, you need troubleshooting | 01:00 |
| len-dt | So what would you do about updates? | 01:00 |
| ailo | I still don't see any reason to have a mode for audio, since most people don't need one, if the desktop is rightly configured | 01:00 |
| ailo | I think updates should be turned off by default | 01:00 |
| ailo | That is selectable during alternate install. I guess with ubiquity, there's no option, so it needs to be set by us | 01:01 |
| ailo | The last thing you want in the middle of a live session is a window pop up | 01:01 |
| len-dt | Do we want people to update at all, if so we should make the way to do so obvious. | 01:02 |
| len-dt | I can understand that, right now it is just a tray icon. | 01:02 |
| ailo | I think we should recommend for people to update at their own will. My own personal view is that, if it isn't broken, don't fix it | 01:03 |
| len-dt | I was thinking that might make sense. I think holstein would agree. | 01:03 |
| ailo | There are security updates, etc, but those don't really concern pro audio users, generally | 01:03 |
| ailo | More so, server admins | 01:04 |
| ailo | I have the same philosophy with Windows, and it's done me good for many years | 01:04 |
| len-dt | How about jockey | 01:04 |
| len-dt | aka check for new hardware drivers. | 01:05 |
| ailo | That's different, I think, since it's more about setting up the system, than maintaining it | 01:05 |
| ailo | How is it, if you don't install drivers? I think it won't reappear? | 01:05 |
| len-dt | When would it run? Right after an update? or when something is plugged in (USB etc) | 01:05 |
| ailo | I'd need to check what it does. I usually always install the one driver I need: nvidia | 01:06 |
| len-dt | My card is too old... I have to use the free one. Flakey as it is. | 01:07 |
| ailo | As a Vulcan would say, logic dictates, that it should only run when discovering new HW, and the user has yet not declined to install drivers | 01:07 |
| len-dt | Ubuntu tries to work every where all the time and catch things missed by logic... | 01:08 |
| ailo | It would make bad sense for Ubuntu to try to force proprietary drivers on people who decline them, but I haven't tried not installing them, so | 01:10 |
| len-dt | ailo, I think the next time someone asks how to turn off PA I will point them at the "session and startup menu" unselect PA and logout/in and be happy | 01:10 |
| ailo | len-dt: Did you try it yet? I guess that should take care of it :). I remember removing PA was not easy back in the day | 01:11 |
| len-dt | ailo, do you know where xchat stores it's default config? | 01:12 |
| ailo | len-dt: .xchat? | 01:12 |
| ailo | Or .xchat2, or something like that | 01:12 |
| ailo | I don't use it anymore. Switched to irssi | 01:12 |
| len-dt | It puts it there after you run it at least once. | 01:12 |
| len-dt | I need to know where it gets it's default from. | 01:13 |
| ailo | len-dt: ~/.xchat2 | 01:13 |
| len-dt | So on first start up the user can be connected #ubuntustudio as well as ubuntu | 01:13 |
| ailo | I always keep my persisten folders on a separate partition, and create symbolic links to the home dir, replacing some of the standard folders | 01:14 |
| ailo | .xchat2 was one of those, over a few installs | 01:15 |
| ailo | Kept the settings | 01:15 |
| len-dt | That makes sense. | 01:15 |
| ailo | I don't like saving the whole home dir, just the folders I want | 01:15 |
| ailo | I use a script to set it up | 01:15 |
| ailo | for every folder in this dir, rm if exists, and add symbolic link | 01:16 |
| ailo | etc | 01:16 |
| len-dt | I was thinking about our ISO. One of the things we wanted to do was have ubuntustudio as one of the defaults when the user first uses it. | 01:16 |
| len-dt | I guess we could add a .xchat2 to /etc/skel/ | 01:17 |
| ailo | len-dt: I like that idea | 01:17 |
| ailo | Would be good to add a couple of channels | 01:18 |
| ailo | At least #ubuntustudio | 01:18 |
| len-dt | I don't want all queries to come there... lots of stuff is not studio specific | 01:18 |
| ailo | len-dt: True. There should be both #ubuntu and #xubuntu | 01:20 |
| len-dt | If we added it to skel we could have the server box not come up and the channel box not come up too. | 01:20 |
| len-dt | Just auto connect. | 01:21 |
| ailo | len-dt: There has been talk of an intro for a while. Would be enough with a link on the desktop to a wiki page | 01:21 |
| ailo | Something that helps the user find all the channels, all the web pages | 01:21 |
| len-dt | The menu has help buttons (for xfce) we could copy those. and put the desktop file on the desktop. | 01:23 |
| len-dt | All they do is point to a web page. | 01:23 |
| len-dt | In our case the web page isnt there. | 01:23 |
| ailo | We just need to create it. | 01:24 |
| len-dt | That would be a bug... | 01:24 |
| len-dt | Can we take part of the web docs we have and add it to the ISO? | 01:24 |
| len-dt | Even point it at the wiki for now. | 01:25 |
| len-dt | There should be something that tells firefox what to do with a irc url | 01:32 |
| len-dt | right now it goes to some web interface... but freenode won't accept it so the user has to login wtice | 01:33 |
| len-dt | s/wtice/twice/ | 01:35 |
| kubotu | len-dt meant: "right now it goes to some web interface... but freenode won't accept it so the user has to login twice" | 01:35 |
| ailo | len-dt: Good idea | 01:40 |
| ailo | Let's add it to the blueprints. I can knock it out | 01:40 |
| holstein | http://ubuntustudio.org/ looks awesome! | 03:58 |
| holstein | thanks to all who helped make that happen!! | 03:59 |
| len-dt | ailo, do remember what the bug number was for qjackctl crashing jack on stop? | 05:12 |
| len-dt | Some one has flagged it as a new bug... needs to be marked as dup | 05:12 |
| ailo | len-dt: Bug #956438 | 05:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 956438 in jackd2 (Ubuntu) "qjackctl unable to stop jackd2" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956438 | 05:13 |
| ailo | The title could be changed | 05:13 |
| ailo | I guess, since it's a jackdbus bug | 05:14 |
| len-dt | The new one is Bug 1022003 | 05:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1022003 in jack-audio-connection-kit (Ubuntu) "Jack Crashes When Clicking Stop Button in QjackCtl" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1022003 | 05:14 |
| ailo | Sounds like the same deal then | 05:14 |
| len-dt | is it the same version of jack 1.9.8? | 05:15 |
| ailo | I don't think jack has been updated | 05:16 |
| len-dt | Ya, it looks like the same stack trace too. | 05:16 |
| len-dt | I have duped it. It is already marked as affecting jackd2 | 05:22 |
| len-dt | Ive added it the bugs I am watching so I will be able to find it easier another time. | 05:41 |
| ailo | In cases like this it would be good to have it subscribed to a team and/or mail list | 05:43 |
| len-dt | holstein, I don't expect an answer right now... but when you have time ;-) I need a list of IRC channels you direct people to most often. | 05:48 |
| len-dt | holstein, I want to add some of them to xchat. | 05:50 |
| len-dt | ailo, It looks like we are already subscribed. | 05:54 |
| len-dt | Notified of all changes | 05:55 |
| len-dt | Artem | 05:55 |
| len-dt | Kaj Ailomaa | 05:55 |
| len-dt | Ubuntu Studio Dev...Remove | 05:55 |
| len-dt | s/remove// | 05:55 |
| kubotu | len-dt: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | 05:55 |
| holstein | len-dt: #opensourcemusicans aint going anywhere anytime soon... thats where i send folks | 13:09 |
| holstein | also, maybe #xubuntu ? | 13:10 |
| holstein | other than that, sometimes the channels for the specific apps.. if its video related, and i just have no idea where to send them | 13:10 |
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| len-dt | holstein, thanks. I think those are the good ones (along with #ubuntu) to add as default to xchat. | 15:04 |
| len-dt | ailo, it looks like xfce4-about can not be reconfigured to have other information in it.ls | 15:34 |
| len-dt | We would have to make a web page in a normal browser. | 15:35 |
| len-dt | ailo, there is another email on the list. I am thinking to change the URL from our help button to point at our website for now. It would be better than a file not found error. | 16:17 |
| len-dt | In the long run there should be some help included on disk from the ISO install for those who don't use a net connect. | 16:17 |
| ailo | len-dt: I think we should try to do a SRU for that | 16:42 |
| ailo | Add a html page to the ISO | 16:42 |
| ailo | Maybe also add a link to the desktop | 16:42 |
| len-dt | ailo, we have other problems too, xfbrowser4 no longer exists. | 17:04 |
| len-dt | we would need to split -default-settings into a precise branch | 17:05 |
| len-dt | xfbowser4 was a part of the xfce-utils and is gone. The sugested workaround (https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8642) is to use exo-open --launch WebBrowser | 17:10 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.xfce.org bug 8642 in General "Use 'exo-open' instead of 'xfbrowser4' (and fix argument handling) for compability with Xfce 4.9+" [Major,New] | 17:10 |
| len-dt | If this works for precise as well we can still use one branch | 17:10 |
| len-dt | ailo, Exec=exo-open http://ubuntustudio.org/ seems to work in precise. I will try it in Quantal too. | 17:20 |
| len-dt | might be better to use Exec=exo-open --launch WebBrowser http://ubuntustudio.org/ | 17:22 |
| len-dt | That way when we switch to a file it will still work. | 17:22 |
| len-dt | Ok, I have pushed this change. | 17:55 |
| len-dt | ailo, I am not sure which package would/should hold the doc/help files. | 17:57 |
| ailo | len-dt: Perhaps ubuntustudio-settings? Something very basic anyway | 18:12 |
| ailo | Hmm, or maybe ubuntustudio-desktop, since you won't be needing it otherwise? | 18:13 |
| len-dt | ailo, should we have a -doc package? | 19:36 |
| ailo | len-dt: I don't know. There's always the web site, and for this particular file, since it will only be obviously reachable from a Ubuntu Studio desktop, I think it should be included with ubuntustudio-desktop | 19:49 |
| ailo | I'm using a video editor to make a video pretty much for the first time. Created and uploaded a video to youtube | 19:50 |
| ailo | With openshot | 19:50 |
| ailo | Really handy for that type of thin | 19:50 |
| ailo | I have some ideas for further docs on this | 19:51 |
| ailo | workflows for bands, etc | 19:51 |
| len-dt | ailo, ok, I guess, the only thing to consider is that -desktop is, so far as I know, just a meta. No files. | 19:54 |
| len-dt | ailo, looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev, I don't see a ubuntustudio-desktop. | 20:00 |
| len-dt | maybe you are thinking of the file in seeds | 20:01 |
| len-dt | ailo, what is the url for your video? | 20:01 |
| ailo | len-dt: Ah, ok. Didn't realize that. | 20:03 |
| ailo | Well, ubuntustudio-settings would be my second choice | 20:03 |
| len-dt | ailo, that works | 20:03 |
| ailo | len-dt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWVmRekeCUQ&feature=plcp | 20:03 |
| ailo | Just trying it out. Hopefully we'll be having lots to post in the coming months with the band. I'm setting up all the social channels for it right now | 20:04 |
| ailo | I did the artwork on GIMP just before too | 20:04 |
| ailo | Not very original, but I was pretty happy with how it came out | 20:05 |
| ailo | Considering I didn't put that much time into it | 20:05 |
| len-dt | ailo, not much video? I have sound and the one still. | 20:06 |
| ailo | Yeah, I didn't have any videos to use, but I just wanted to learn how to put up music on youtube | 20:07 |
| ailo | We'll be recording videos too later on, but that will have to come last more or less | 20:07 |
| len-dt | Well that worked then | 20:07 |
| ailo | That's really why I've been pretty busy lately. I need to finish up coding the tools we use this week. Only after 2-3 weeks ahead will I be able to be more agressive with US development | 20:09 |
| len-dt | I'll try and pick up any little fixs I can find. | 20:09 |
| len-dt | ailo, I should, I guess, workout a publishing menu item/submenu any odeas what apps to put in it? | 20:11 |
| len-dt | s/odeas/ideas | 20:11 |
| ailo | len-dt: We should discuss adding one or both of scribus and calibre to the seeds | 20:12 |
| ailo | libroffice writer should go there too | 20:12 |
| len-dt | I can add both to the menu, only what is installed will show up. | 20:12 |
| ailo | I'd need to do some research on what else | 20:12 |
| ailo | len-dt: Ok, sounds good | 20:13 |
| len-dt | it is a pretty new idea | 20:13 |
| len-dt | lyx will go in there | 20:13 |
| len-dt | ailo, I think Scott will need to give some input in this as it is mostly his vision. I am just thinking to do a little prep work... | 20:14 |
| ailo | len-dt: Agreed | 20:15 |
| len-dt | I want to wait till the current -settings is SRUed before adding that though. | 20:48 |
| len-dt | ailo, I would like to add to each of our "workflow" menus a software center item that shows likely extra packages a user might want to add... call them supported rather than shipped. | 20:49 |
| ailo | len-dt: Yes. I have thought about that too | 21:17 |
| ailo | For people who only use that to install stuff, they won't find Ubuntu Studio otherwise | 21:17 |
| ailo | We still have a problem with realtime privilege, but perhaps we can SRU that too, since the current one is not doing anything useful | 21:18 |
| ailo | Sorry, I was talking about using -controls for that | 21:25 |
| ailo | Or, I meant to say we should use -controls for that | 21:25 |
| len-dt | OK | 21:29 |
| len-dt | ailo, software center does not show meta packages at all... it may be possible to put something on the command line to fix that though. | 21:30 |
| len-dt | But if I open SOftware Center the only ubuntustudio package that shows up is -controls | 21:31 |
| len-dt | It is _not_ like synaptic | 21:32 |
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