[09:55] <head_victim> Evening all how are we tonight
[09:56] <md_5> not bad
[09:56] <grizzlysmit> ok
[09:56] <sagaci> jaddi due soon...?
[09:57] <head_victim> Not sure, I've been crazy busy lately and haven't heard from him since the membership app
[09:58] <spik3> yer so so
[10:00] <sagaci> #startmeeting July team meeting
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[10:00] <sagaci> agenda: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/392/detail/
[10:01] <sagaci> #link http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/392/detail/
[10:02] <sagaci> there's not much on the agenda but if you'd like to register your attendance, say hello!
[10:02] <spik3> Hello!
[10:02] <grizzlysmit> hello
[10:02] <head_victim> Just to put irc nicks to emails, spik3 are you mick on the mailing list?
[10:02] <spik3> yes I'm the one
[10:02] <md_5> hello
[10:03] <head_victim> Good stuff, nice work with the school btw
[10:03] <spik3> Thanks
[10:03] <md_5> ah spik3 nice to see you
[10:03] <spik3> Cheers to all
[10:04] <grizzlysmit> oh do I have to put the ! there
[10:04] <md_5> no...
[10:04] <grizzlysmit> hello!
[10:04] <md_5> no.. you just need to say anything
[10:04] <grizzlysmit> ok
[10:05] <head_victim> Hah, nah it just counts attendance by people who contribute lines to the meeting
[10:05] <head_victim> So really, anything will do :)
[10:05] <sagaci> #topic Team Direction - Jared Norris
[10:06] <head_victim> Well just to kick it off I thought I should point out that team activity as a whole seems to ahve died down a lot lately
[10:06] <sagaci> head_victim: ^
[10:07] <head_victim> I realise we all have jobs to do and other things in our lives so I'm not going to even begin to suggest anyone should be doing anything better specifically but as a team we need to find a way to get moving again so to speak
[10:07] <spik3> ?
[10:07] <head_victim> It's all well and good to have regular meetings and social events but unless we start up the real world and online events again we're going to risk being unapproved again next approval period.
[10:08] <sagaci> ah, reapproval on the horizon again :P
[10:08] <head_victim> It's 12 months away but still worth considering
[10:08] <head_victim> We're at the mid point so wanted to use it as a point of reflection
[10:09] <head_victim> spik3: things like you approaching the school are great! Hence why I was hitting you up to document it. As a team I think we need to more in this regard.
[10:10] <sagaci> I've been pretty inactive lately especially since the translation effort is over/done, concentrating on other ubuntu-related projects. I haven't really been keen to write team reports since I'm not particularly aware of anything epic in the last couple of months
[10:10] <spik3> my saying  how do we get people to see the light without windows 
[10:11] <head_victim> If we want to become a social meeting point and assist local users as a support group that's great but unless we keep up the advocacy we're not really a "loco"
[10:11] <spik3> I've started to put some thing on paper when done I get it to some one to check
[10:11] <head_victim> sagaci: exactly, we need to have more things to report on :)
[10:12] <sagaci> chicken and the egg thing?
[10:12] <head_victim> spik3: great :) I'm hoping publicising it will encourage others to do the same
[10:12] <spik3>  now sh**ing bricks
[10:13] <head_victim> I am going to be the first to admit my time is stretched thin and if anyone has a bit of time to invest in the team I'm more than happy to mentor anyone but I'm struggling to find time to be a main driver altely
[10:14] <head_victim> Trying to get events off the ground is also proving difficult.
[10:15] <spik3> in Tassie very small and I'm a newbie
[10:15] <sagaci> that's a negative of having a nationwide loco
[10:16] <head_victim> spik3: if you're wanting to host events I'm more than happy to assist you with what to expect/how to run them
[10:16] <sagaci> not that having 8 separate state locos would make it much better but at least you'd only have to worry or think about events in your own state
[10:16] <spik3> But we can approach schools and sell as a teaching aid as well as acomplete OS
[10:17] <head_victim> spik3: and that's awesome work. 
[10:17] <spik3> Get back on that one, head_victim
[10:18] <spik3> as to we download gear for the young right up to Uni
[10:18] <head_victim> So we spent a bit of time a while ago setting up a mission statement (that is at the top of the website ubuntu.org.au ) but I think we could be doing more to work towards it as a group
[10:19] <head_victim> So I'm not here saying "go do more" I'm trying to be here to say "how can we as a team do more".
[10:19] <head_victim> So basically, open to suggestions :)
[10:20] <spik3> And schools can adapted it to there environment and get the teachers involved
[10:20] <head_victim> spik3: did you get much feedback good or otherwise when you went to see them?
[10:21] <head_victim> In my experience schools don't seem to want to invest in learning the new way of doing things in a different OS.
[10:21] <md_5> spik3 a bit offtopic, but might I ask how old you are, I myself am I young ubuntu user
[10:21] <spik3> They will get back however they did like the educational side of things
[10:21] <sagaci> asking for release parties on the mailing list was pretty useless last cycle - I'm not sure what else we can do
[10:22] <spik3> md_5 two years with ubuntu
[10:22] <head_victim> sagaci: exactly my thinking. I'm trying to lower the bar and make it easier to do things, but still not getting very far.
[10:22] <md_5> spik3 age..
[10:22] <head_victim> So I thought I'd just throw it open to see if anyone had any other suggestions I hadn't thought of.
[10:22] <sagaci> I'll still run the Sydney one again and I'm sure the Brisbane one will happen but aside from that, it's a bit vague shooting at dead targets
[10:22] <spik3> 50 and feeling it
[10:23] <head_victim> I am getting the feeling that Ubuntu has matured more and so the advocacy part of ubuntu is no longer "exciting" as it once was.
[10:23] <md_5> spik3 I'm 15, now how about you?
[10:23] <sagaci> maybe an email to the mailing list detailing how to set up the event on loco.ubuntu.com and linking to jono's youtube video explaining the same thing
[10:23] <spik3> after the meeting md_5
[10:24] <grizzlysmit> hmm there weren't many of us at the Sydney release party 
[10:24] <sagaci> md_5: try looking around #ubuntu-youth
[10:24] <head_victim> sagaci: hmm I get the feeling it's more organising the real world aspect rather than the online portion but fair call, I might even try to write a web article on it if I can find the time.
[10:25] <spik3> can we approach some learning centres as well as school and mention that it good for andriod as well
[10:25] <sagaci> head_victim: ok, but you can't do much more for people than to ask them to organise one and post it to l.u.c
[10:25] <spik3> for the phones apps sorry
[10:26] <md_5> spik3 so you want to market it as an development platform?
[10:26] <spik3> you hit it on the head
[10:26] <md_5> spik3 the one issue I have with that is stuff like android app dev is platform independant
[10:26] <spik3> as well as learning as well
[10:27] <md_5> I mean my primary language by far is java, that doesnt really affect me. But stuff like c++ is a different story on linux vs windows
[10:27] <head_victim> sagaci: I guess it's more about trying to find a way to make it more enticing that anything
[10:29] <head_victim> But I guess you're right, at least by raising ideas someone of them do gain traction.
[10:30] <spik3> has any got any suggestion that others may build on
[10:31] <spik3> any-one I meant
[10:31] <grizzlysmit> no sorry short on ideas just now
[10:31] <head_victim> That's ok, I just did want to raise the idea to get people thinking. 
[10:31] <head_victim> And to let people know I'm more than willing to assist with getting ideas off the ground.
[10:32] <spik3> can we come up with a small project and try take small steps at the start and build from there
[10:33] <sagaci> real events are the most importantt things we can do as a loco, nearly everything else can be lumped under another project or the main ubuntu project
[10:33] <grizzlysmit> ok
[10:33] <head_victim> sagaci: yes, as well as online events can contribute to the other main community projects which are also very useful
[10:34] <sagaci> jaddi and I started to figure out a short podcast using google hangouts but so far we've only tested to see if it works (it does) so until we get some time to focus on it, it's a project to-be
[10:34] <head_victim> As a team we're relatively strong in carrying out online events but struggle with real world ones.
[10:34] <head_victim> sagaci: nice work, you can always put a shout out to the team on the ML or via the social media pages for help if you need more help
[10:34] <sagaci> yep thats right but generally stuff like user days, development weeks, etc etc aren't loco specific
[10:35] <head_victim> spik3: starting small and building is a good idea, that's why I began bugging you about documenting yours. Your small step can lead to larger ones int he future
[10:37] <spik3> I will put something down plus what other feed back I get from parents and friends of a primary school
[10:37] <head_victim> spik3: yep the feedback would be very useful
[10:38] <spik3> It has started getting my editor to look at it
[10:38] <head_victim> So if we can all get our thinking caps on that would be great. We don't have to figure it out perfectly now, I just wanted the issue raised for some pondering :)
[10:38] <head_victim> So does anyone else have any other topics?
[10:38] <head_victim> Or can we continue to meander? Or? 
[10:39] <spik3> I'm open
[10:39] <sagaci> nah, I'm looking forward to other real events happening around the country
[10:39] <sagaci> but can only be so optimistic
[10:40] <head_victim> sagaci: yep, I tried to get a tech event off the ground and found so little support I've shelved it for now. I just don't have the time to run one myself for now.
[10:40] <head_victim> It was interesting to see a Ubuntu shirt in my first class of Uni for 10 years though. That is a good thing.
[10:42] <spik3> I would wear one if there was an Aussie theme to it
[10:42] <head_victim> spik3: feel free to design one and take orders :)
[10:42] <head_victim> There's a project in itself
[10:42] <sagaci> there's the ubuntu-au loco but I doubt people would recognise the ubuntu part of it
[10:42] <sagaci> logo*
[10:43] <sagaci> ubuntu lanyards, beanies and shirts are far more effective
[10:43] <grizzlysmit> sounds good
[10:43] <head_victim> Previous efforts at Ubuntu-AU artwork is available https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/Artwork and also on spreadubuntu.org
[10:44] <spik3> sagaci: how can we get the Au logo out there I will help
[10:44] <sagaci> personally I'd rather the ubuntu logo and art
[10:45] <head_victim> I generally just use the stuff from shop.ubuntu.com
[10:45] <sagaci> shop.canonical.com
[10:45] <head_victim> They both end up at the same place :)
[10:45] <sagaci> or wait til you go to UDS and avoid paying shipping!
[10:46] <head_victim> Hah yeah, I just can't afford the time off work for a UDS now
[10:47] <spik3> the school ask if there local support? if we spun it an have and have a Au feel for with design you never know 
[10:47] <head_victim> spik3: there is heaps of support, paid and free. Depends on what sort of support they're after really
[10:47] <spik3> fair enough
[10:48] <sagaci> desktop vs server support
[10:48] <spik3> I will get of my backside and ask again
[10:49] <head_victim> If they want hands on, onsite support you may find someone in your local LUG who might volunteer but realistically it's going to cost. If they just want a forum or mailing list to ask a question on then it would easily be free.
[10:53] <head_victim> Alrighty, well ont hat note I have to make tracks.
[10:53] <head_victim> Feel free to continue the discussions and if you think of anything you forgot tonight please ask on the mailing list :)
[10:53] <spik3> I will get on with the report
[10:54] <head_victim> spik3: no worries :) Thanks heaps for sharing Ubuntu with your local school.
[10:56] <spik3> md_5: are you there? if the meeting is over?
[10:56] <md_5> imma here
[10:57] <md_5> I wanted to talk to head and sagaci a bit after
[10:57] <sagaci> #endmeeting
[10:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Jul  8 10:57:11 2012 UTC.  
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[10:57] <spik3> ok go for it catch ya when done
[10:57] <md_5> spik3 you go ahead
[10:58] <spik3> just wanted to hear your thoughts as the youth is your the future and I think Ubuntu will be part of that
[10:59] <md_5> oh.. hmm
[10:59] <md_5> spik3 you are also youth.......?
[10:59] <spik3> No old fart
[10:59] <spik3> but I 2 rug-rats
[11:00] <md_5> spik3 I thought you were the student on the mailing list?
[11:00]  * md_5 wasnt following this meeting enough
[11:00] <spik3> I have 2 rug-rats
[11:01] <spik3> No I'm on the mailing list not the youth slide
[11:03] <spik3> md_5: if you got an Idea let me know and I will give a go on my two if it is an education thing
[11:03] <md_5> anyway I wanted to ask people like sagaci and head_victim what they do for ubuntu outside of this loco
[11:03] <spik3> right
[11:05] <sagaci> I did most of the en_AU translation, not hard work at all but took a while to get right. I'm usually on the development release testing things and filing bugs as they come otherwise I just muck around with python and c++.
[11:06] <md_5> sagaci whats special about en_AU fron en_GB. surely its only a string here and there>
[11:06] <sagaci> I'm not into computers by trade but enjoy mucking around with ubuntu and free software in general
[11:07] <sagaci> generally yes but now it's done it allows for better customisations as to whether a localised version of ubuntu ever happens
[11:07] <md_5> sagaci I ask because I am perhaps lookign to get a bit more involved in ubuntu
[11:07] <md_5> I've been using it full time for months now, so was looking for maybe something to do other than sit in the loco channel :P
[11:08] <sagaci> do you have decent internet and quota?
[11:08] <md_5> sagaci the first part, not the second
[11:08] <md_5> unlike 98% of people my age I dont pirate / torrent etc etc
[11:09] <sagaci> are you on an unmetered ubuntu isp?
[11:09] <md_5> I do get unmetered access to the ubuntu mirrors
[11:09] <md_5> so yeah
[11:09] <sagaci> well that helps slightly
[11:09] <md_5> sagaci I can get nearly for 4 megabytes a second to the local ubuntu mirrors
[11:10] <sagaci> the easiest non-technical thing you can do it write documentation
[11:11] <md_5> sagaci well I am far from technically illiterate... I was looking at maybe doing something upstream at debian with regards to package maintenance
[11:11] <sagaci> one of the best ways to help out
[11:13] <spik3> md_5: can I speak to you later or can you email me? 
[11:13] <md_5> spik3 I'm always on irc
[11:13] <spik3> excellent I will talk you another time then?
[11:14] <md_5> yep, as I said on irc 24/7
[11:14] <head_victim> md_5: I'm sorta not really at the PC but saw your comment walking past, I have a fair bit on my wiki about what I do - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris
[11:14] <md_5> I'll take  a look
[11:16] <jaddi27> apologies from me for the meeting
[11:19] <tomasparks> I also missed the meeting :(
[11:19] <sagaci> always the mailing list or the next one
[11:26] <jaddi27> sagaci, I meant to be there, but things have not really been usual at home for the past week
[11:26] <jaddi27> just trying to get back into my usual routines
[11:28] <sagaci> yep fair enough