| steampunkey | today i was shocked to find out that the orange in your tricolour stands for William of Orange's followers | 13:45 |
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| steampunkey | the same one that defeated the last Catholic king of the islands. | 13:46 |
| steampunkey | i find that very very strange | 13:46 |
| zmoylan | the flag is meant to indicate peace between the two. nationalists and loyalists with a white indicating peace | 13:46 |
| zmoylan | it was given to the irish by the french iirc | 13:47 |
| steampunkey | i'd understand if it were a flag of the northern ireland - ie the brittish subject. but it's the flag of the republic | 13:47 |
| steampunkey | zmoylan: i think its history is way more complex than that | 13:48 |
| zmoylan | it predates the republic. | 13:48 |
| zmoylan | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ireland#History | 13:50 |
| steampunkey | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ireland#Symbolism | 13:50 |
| steampunkey | "When the tricolour was designed in 1848 the Orange Order faced suppression and was in serious decline." | 13:51 |
| steampunkey | very, very weird. | 13:52 |
| zmoylan | it's irish history. weird is a given | 13:53 |
| steampunkey | when they're marching through streets of northern ireland in orange, they are hated. yet, see - they're on the flag of the republic. | 13:53 |
| zmoylan | many of out greatest leaders were protestant, parnell and wolf tone. the most northern part of the island is in the south. after that it gets complicated :-D | 13:54 |
| steampunkey | i understand there are protestants in ireland, and people must coexist in peace. but William of Orange - for me, he's the symbol of oppression of Catholicism | 13:56 |
| zmoylan | i don't think the irish see him that way. we would have a worse opinion of cromwell. | 13:57 |
| steampunkey | oooh ". When he produced a Catholic heir, the tension exploded, and leading nobles called on William III of Orange (his son-in-law and nephew) to land an invasion army from the Netherlands, which he did." | 13:59 |
| steampunkey | never did understand the "huns" insult before. i thought it's racist confusion. now i understand. | 13:59 |
| steampunkey | wait... are dutch descendants of huns? they aren't are they? | 14:02 |
| steampunkey | i guess i don't understand the "huns" insult then. | 14:03 |
| zmoylan | there were a lot of mercenaries in the army that came over. | 14:04 |
| steampunkey | what do you mean? | 14:10 |
| zmoylan | most armies in ireland included mercenaries. hessian (german) troops in ireland are said to have given rise to the phrase kilkenny cats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilkenny_cat | 14:12 |
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