[00:15] <jagginess> socomm is telling people to rtfm
[00:23] <ChristopherNg> Q/
[00:23] <Myrtti> could you please repeat?
[00:23] <ChristopherNg> OK...
[00:23] <ChristopherNg> Basically, I met someone who calls himself "Fiberton" this was on EFNET
[00:23] <Myrtti> I just want your story on the record, and then I and perhaps some other ops have additional questions for you
[00:23] <Myrtti> right
[00:24] <ChristopherNg> He said that various channels, especially alot of the linux ones were used to form "scene" groups.
[00:24] <ChristopherNg> on Freenode.
[00:24] <Myrtti> right, and what do you mean by "scene"
[00:25] <ChristopherNg> These "Scene" groups are involved in various things, running botnets, piracy, identity theft, violation of intellectual property, doing DOS attacks and just breaking laws for lols.
[00:25] <ChristopherNg> "breaking laws for lols." is KAZAN motto
[00:25] <Myrtti> alright, and how does #ubuntu-offtopic fit into this?
[00:25] <ChristopherNg> He claims to be a security guy.
[00:25] <ChristopherNg> Myrtti: "Fiberton" thinks he is the next Kevin Mitnick.
[00:26] <Myrtti> I didn't really ask that
[00:26] <ChristopherNg> He basically openly said people use that channel
[00:26] <ChristopherNg> for doing what i mentioned
[00:26] <Myrtti> well that's not true
[00:26] <ChristopherNg> yeah well thats why ive been coming here
[00:26] <Myrtti> even if the channel isn't publically logged, the discussions in there don't have anything to do with anything aforementioned
[00:26] <ChristopherNg> let me put it this way.
[00:27] <ChristopherNg> who knows what is said in private convos? who is talking to who? and who is doing what?
[00:27] <ChristopherNg> We dont know.
[00:27] <Myrtti> well that's not in the channel then
[00:27] <Myrtti> that has nothing to do with the channel
[00:27] <ChristopherNg> yeah but im guessing they idle in there to be able to be contacted easily.
[00:27] <ChristopherNg> "If you are looking for KAZAN, Come find us"
[00:27] <Myrtti> so what's your suggestion then?
[00:27] <ChristopherNg> mostly on EFNET
[00:28] <Myrtti> so now hold on
[00:28] <ChristopherNg> Myrtti: kick inactives
[00:28] <Myrtti> that's just silly suggestion
[00:28] <ChristopherNg> dont let idles in there
[00:28] <ChristopherNg> well its a suggestion
[00:29] <Myrtti> so we have hearsay that you report from another network from a guy who nobody has ever heard of, who claims these preposterous things
[00:29] <Myrtti> and based on that hearsay, we should kick idlers off the channel?
[00:29] <ChristopherNg> I think "some" linux channels are used by these "scene" groups where they idle to be contacted quickly.
[00:29] <ChristopherNg> they use it like a mailbox
[00:29] <Myrtti> I suppose that's possible, but it is also possible that it's used for good.
[00:30] <ChristopherNg> yeah well, like i said thats what ive heard
[00:30] <Myrtti> I'm confused again, how does EFnet fit into the picture again, only the place where this person is?
[00:30] <ChristopherNg> Myrtti: EFNET in #startrek is where i seen him last
[00:31] <ChristopherNg> he moves around different IRC channels
[00:31] <ChristopherNg> he is like a phantom
[00:31] <ChristopherNg> Has a network of people that keep him supplied with fake accounts etc
[00:31] <ChristopherNg> thats how he survives
[00:32] <ChristopherNg> fake email, paypal, usenet, vps, shell accounts etc
[00:32] <ChristopherNg> its like a network.,
[00:32] <ChristopherNg> really really complex
[00:33] <IdleOne> ChristopherNg: have you ever seen any discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic that might lead you to believe it was about any illegal activities?
[00:34] <ChristopherNg> IdleOne: not in the main channel, but who knows what these idle people who never say a word but have been here for such a long time are doing in private?
[00:34] <ChristopherNg> and using such channels to idle and get messaged
[00:35] <ChristopherNg> I mean you folks are here all the time...
[00:35] <ChristopherNg> there are alot of people im sure you have never heard say a word in channel
[00:35] <ChristopherNg> what are they doing?
[00:35] <ChristopherNg> 1 day? ok, 1 month? ok? 1 year? thats questionable.
[00:36] <ChristopherNg> they probably change nicks every few weeks anyway
[00:36] <Flannel> ChristopherNg: Hi, sorry, just got here.  What do you suggesting we do about it?
[00:37] <ChristopherNg> ok, just keep an eye on these inactive/idle guys that you have seen for a long time, but never seen say a word.
[00:37] <IdleOne> Well, we appreciate you bringing this to our attention and we most assuredly will keep our eyes open for anything suspicious.
[00:37] <ChristopherNg> I mean if they have been here for so long, they must have atleast said something to someone?
[00:37] <IdleOne> Not sure if Flannel has anymore questions, but I think i am done.
[00:37] <ChristopherNg> Ol
[00:37] <ChristopherNg> ok
[00:37] <ChristopherNg> JUst one last thing.
[00:38] <ChristopherNg> These guys are professional anglers, not skids
[00:38] <Flannel> ChristopherNg: Alrighty.  We'll see what we can do.  Thanks for the headsup.
[00:38] <ChristopherNg> Dont be shocked if things like this happen right under your nose.
[00:38] <ChristopherNg> np
[03:20] <IdleOne> @mark #ubuntu AngrySpam98 bad attitude, doesn't answer question of those trying to help him, mild swearing.
[06:51] <chu> Interesting, no factoids about mono in ubottu?
[09:14] <bazhang> chu, you mean silverlight?
[09:21] <chu> So some guuy was talking about running .exe files in #ubuntu earlier, I sent him !wine, but he claimed that he could do it with mono.
[09:22] <Myrtti> yup
[09:23] <Myrtti> depending on if it is a mono app
[09:23] <ikonia> chu: mono moves the goalposts a little
[09:23] <Myrtti> then hou can
[09:23] <Myrtti> you even
[09:23] <ikonia> not all .exe's are "windows native", in that if they reference the .net libraries that have been ported to mono, and no windows base stuff, eg: MFC style stuff, then it will run
[09:24] <chu> Yeah, I don't know if it *was* a mono app, and I didn't pursue it that far as I simply didn't know what to do.
[09:24] <ikonia> mono is fussy on versions though too
[09:24] <ikonia> so just because it's a .net app, doesn't mean it will work with mono.
[09:24] <ikonia> it's a bit of a case by case situation
[09:24] <chu> But, I'm a bit surprised ubottu doesn't have anything about mono in her knowledge-base, or I just didn't know what the factoid was.
[09:25] <ikonia> Ubuntu's pulled mono out of it's base install
[09:25] <ikonia> there was a sticky package that used to be included that had to be pulled
[09:36] <chu> Well, WINE isn't in the base install, but has a factoid, right?
[09:37] <bazhang> !moonlight
[09:37] <bazhang> and that package is no longer in the repos
[10:18] <bazhang> pretty sure QQ is a different reference
[10:18] <bazhang> !find qq
[10:18] <oCean> qq-communicator?
[10:18] <oCean> never heard of
[10:19] <bazhang> its an asian irc/bbs/im-ish kind of protocol
[10:19] <bazhang> !find eva
[10:19] <bazhang> empathy can handle it, there used to be a package called eva that could too
 so uhh, has anyone posted something with (1),(2) or (3) here recently?  <Anduck> the thing is, someone posted the code _right here_ in this channel and i need it.
[10:51] <bazhang> some kind of school quiz. he is hitting various linux channels and asking that
 yeah i know perviously ubuntu released i could install repo without adding any address to sources.list
[11:02] <bazhang> that would be a trick
[11:02] <oCean> maybe he thinks of add-ppa or whatever the command is
[11:23] <bazhang> yep
[11:44] <bazhang> thought he was still banned
[12:10] <bazhang> so help22222 never actually answered any questions asked of him
[12:10] <ikonia> of course not
[12:11] <bazhang> that was odd. the IP looks very familiar though
[12:11] <ikonia> didn't check, just appeared to be a clueless guy
[12:12] <chu> ikonia: Is this guy in #u-o, the guy who has often asked borderline questions about North Kora?
[12:12] <ikonia> yes
[12:12] <ikonia> and in other channels
[12:12] <ikonia> does what he can to mention hitler/korea/provocative stuff
[12:12] <chu> Yeah.
[12:13] <bazhang> chu theskarmorie?
[12:14] <chu> Yep.
[12:14] <bazhang> he's got about 20 different nicks, same baiting repetitive questions
[12:15] <ikonia> I've told him to stop now, so just mute/remove on the next occasion
[12:15] <ikonia> the fact that he's doing it in other channels, it's just spam
[12:35] <TheSkarmorie> Hello, just because ikonia is in a bitter mood about something unrelated doesn't mean he should spill it on me for asking an advice question within the bounds of #ubuntu-offtopic. Just thought I'd let you know of this injustice.
[12:35] <ikonia> hello you've been spamming me in pm
[12:36] <TheSkarmorie> That was an angry outburst, ikon.
[12:36] <ikonia> sure,
[12:36] <TheSkarmorie> To anyone else who wonders, it was this paste: http://pastebin.com/y6LdxcZL
[12:36] <ikonia> you seem to be missing some key lines
[12:36] <ikonia> 13:32 <TheSkarmorie> Alright, motherphucker! You asked for it.
[12:36] <ikonia> repeating that
[12:37] <ikonia> but anyway, that doesn't change the fact that you are now banned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:37] <TheSkarmorie> That's what I pasted to him for kickbanning me after a question for advice evolved into some kind of emotionally-influenced disagreement.
[12:37] <ikonia> sure
[12:37] <ikonia> (if you're going to try to show what you pasted, it's best not to miss key lines including insults to try to hide hide it)
[12:38] <TheSkarmorie> Sorry that your loved one just died, or if you're a woman, that your PMS is making you epically moody, but don't spill it on me. That's what therapists are for. They're perfect to be cathartic on.
[12:40] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops TheSkarmorie continued to try to provoke after being banned for trying to provoke continued to spam in pm 13:39 <TheSkarmorie> PPPPPHHHHHUUUUUCCCCCKKKKK YOU! PHUCK YOU! PHUCK YOU - was then killed for flooding
[12:46] <Tm_T> aww
[18:12] <cryptopsy> how do i restart the mmc subsystem?
[18:16] <IdleOne> cryptopsy: This is not the support channel, you were sent here because you are banned in #ubuntu. Did you wish to try and resolve that ban?
[18:21] <Tm_T> I take that as a "no"
[18:21] <IdleOne> That is how I took it.