[00:24] <mhall119> bkerensa: it's always hot in Florida in summer
[06:11] <dpm> good morning all
[06:15] <coolbhavi> good morning dpm
[06:15] <dpm> hey coolbhavi
[06:16] <dpm> coolbhavi, regarding your question on judging the other day, I'm putting together the voting infrastructure with the list of all apps, and we'll send an e-mail with instructions to all judges and probably set up a call later on this afternoon
[06:17] <coolbhavi> dpm, great :) thanks a lot!
[06:18] <dpm> no worries :)
[06:21] <coolbhavi> :) how have you been btw?
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:13] <dpm> hey dholbach, morning!
[07:13] <dholbach> hi dpm
[07:14] <dpm> coolbhavi, oops, I hadn't seen your question, I've been good, thanks, just came back from a relaxing holiday last week. And yourself?
[07:15] <coolbhavi> dpm,  np :) I am fine :)
[07:16] <dpm> cool :)
[08:48] <nothingspecial> or lots of output anyway
[08:48] <nothingspecial> ooops
[09:30] <khildin> morning all....
[09:31] <khildin> I have a small question...
[09:31] <khildin> I'm getting more and more involved in a community and want to learn more about community management.
[09:31] <khildin> besides jono's book.... where could I look for that?
[11:43] <dpm> imbrandon, around?
[11:44] <dpm> imbrandon, when you've got a minute, may I ask you to set the end date for the ubuntu app showdown to 00:01UTC Monday? The deadline is over, and people still think they've got like 10 hours to submit their apps.
[11:44] <dpm> thanks!
[11:47] <imbrandon> yup
[11:48] <imbrandon> ahh yea its localtime on the users machine, will do now
[12:05] <imbrandon> dpm: ok, Should read "Times UP!" once cache clears ( will read - : - : -  until then unfortunately )
[12:06] <dpm> imbrandon, that's more than good enough, thanks! Do you know when the cache will be cleared?
[12:07] <imbrandon> should be less than 10 minutes
[12:08] <dpm> excellent, thanks!
[12:08] <imbrandon> np, i'll keep an eye out too but i'll be around all day should something not be right
[12:15] <imbrandon> dpm: there we go, refresh page and it should be good now
[12:16] <dpm> imbrandon, awesome
[12:16]  * imbrandon forced it by moving the JS and letting it use the the IMG fallback :)
[12:16] <imbrandon> heh
[12:19] <imbrandon> btw, when are you all shooting for announcing winners ? just curious
[12:20] <jokerdino> after they go through all 100 of them I guess? :)
[12:21] <imbrandon> haha wow, that many, awesome :)
[12:21] <jokerdino> honestly, I am more than excited.
[12:22] <jokerdino> i only tried a couple of them. can't wait to see which one totally rocks. I hope every one of them are awesome on their own accord.
[12:22] <imbrandon> yea for real, thats killer, i'm esp excited to see that fogger app, not tried it yet personally but a Recient OSX convert myself ( on the desktop ) I used the app it it modeled after ALOT , will be nice to have it on Ubuntu
[12:23] <imbrandon> but yea its gonna be tough competition, looked like quite a few good ones
[12:23] <jokerdino> yeah, i would have died if I were one of the judges :P
[12:24] <imbrandon> heh :)
[12:25] <imbrandon> okies /me gets back to fixing up this charm, lemmme just ping should yall need anything :)
[12:25] <jokerdino> right. that works well. i'll go back to lurking this room =)
[13:22] <s-fox> o/
[14:39] <bkerensa> oh jeez
[14:39] <bkerensa> =/
[14:39] <bkerensa> I just got asked to talk at OSCON for Mozilla
[14:49] <mhall119> bkerensa: I'm sure nobody will ask about Thunderbird :)
[14:55] <bkerensa> mhall119: I hope not :P
[14:55] <bkerensa> jono: top of the morning
[14:56] <jono> howdy bkerensa
[14:56] <bkerensa> jono: So do you know when you will need help setting up on Saturday
[14:57] <jono> bkerensa, indeed, can you be there at 7am?
[14:57] <bkerensa> jono: you bet.
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, all set?
[15:01] <dholbach> yep
[15:02] <jono> dholbach, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2efc97ee8022fe82b1c2248099ae7e829bb13c95?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:07] <jono> dpm, can we go early in a few mins?
[15:07] <jcastro> man fellas
[15:07] <jcastro> lightread is so good
[15:07] <jcastro> I can't believe it's gtk
[15:08] <dpm> jono, sure, but I'm not finished with pasting the questions yet
[15:09] <dpm> just sent me the invite and I'll join in
[15:11] <jono> dpm, np, this is just our weekly sync up
[15:14] <jono> dpm, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/3e547cf009d5a0a1e65b9c45f3860aef4083f398?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[15:14] <dpm> ok, joining in
[15:15] <jono> thanks dpm
[15:15] <balloons> jcastro, you don't use a web rss reader?
[15:16] <khildin> jono... do you have a minute?
[15:16] <jono> khildin, hey, on the phone right now
[15:17] <khildin> np.... :) as long yopu can answer... :P
[15:17] <khildin> well... got question for you...
[15:18] <khildin> I am getting more and more involved in the Zentyal community.... you met Jose Antonio Calvo at UDS remember... he is one of the Zentyal defs...
[15:18] <khildin> question is: where can I find resources (besides your book) on community management....
[15:18] <khildin> ??
[15:19] <jcastro> balloons: I do, but this one is so pretty, it makes me want to maybe switch back
[15:20] <jokerdino> i feel like maybe wanna crash your weekly hangouts =)
[15:20] <balloons> it has a jcastro recommendation eh?
[15:21] <jokerdino> are we talking about lightreads?
[15:21] <jcastro> balloons: I don't get how he got it to look so good
[15:21] <jcastro> compared to other apps
[15:21] <jcastro> jokerdino: yeah
[15:21] <jokerdino> oh i liked it as well :)
[15:21] <jokerdino> haven't tried it yet but it looks good.
[15:21] <balloons> no in sc?
[15:21] <jcastro> no it's an entrant in the contest.
[15:21] <jokerdino> app showdown
[15:22] <balloons> https://launchpad.net/lightread
[15:22] <balloons> offline google reader, +1 from me
[15:22] <s-fox> hey people, sudden wave of activity :)
[15:23] <jokerdino> and balloons i can't upgrade my system to qq. upgrade-release tool crashes.
[15:23] <jokerdino> can't get around testing for alpha :/
[15:23] <balloons> jokerdino, ohh really?>
[15:23] <jokerdino> there was a bug report on LP.
[15:23] <balloons> got specifics on the crash?
[15:23] <jokerdino> i marked as affecting me.
[15:24] <balloons> ahh.. which one, do you remember?
[15:24] <jokerdino> one sec
[15:25] <jokerdino> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1020462
[15:25] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1020462 in ubuntu-release-upgrader "Precise to Quantal upgrade failed: do-release-upgrade -d failed with ImportError: No module named janitor.plugincore.manager in DistUpgradeQuirks.py" [Critical,Fix released]
[15:25] <balloons> we wouldn't want little technical issues to prevent you from upgrading and joining in the fun :-)
[15:25] <jokerdino> hehe :D
[15:26] <jokerdino> oops it is ninja fixed
[15:26] <balloons> yea, looks like mterry fixed things up
[15:26] <jokerdino> you guys are no fun any more.
[15:27] <balloons> if you do upgrade successfully, can you add the result to the tracker? (success or fail?). This week is our cadence for looking at the isos -- including upgrading ;-)
[15:27] <jokerdino> balloons: does upgrading from precise being tracked as well?
[15:27] <jokerdino> if it is, i can help you on that.
[15:28] <jokerdino> and i am getting a bunch of ISO to test on VM. so yeah
[15:28] <balloons> yes, we have upgrade "tests" and although there's an automated test upgrader, it never represents people's live systems
[15:28] <balloons> let me link you
[15:28] <balloons> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/16550/testcases/47/results
[15:28] <balloons> testcase is really simple
[15:28] <balloons> just upgrade :-)
[15:29] <jokerdino> hmm great. will report many more bugs =)
[15:29] <balloons> awesome!
[15:29] <jokerdino> i'll annoy you in U+1 room in the future =)
[15:30] <balloons> haha.. while I still have you.. since your on precise, you can do the 12.10 kernel on 12.04 test ;-) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kernel
[15:30] <balloons> being on precise has it's advantages!
[15:31] <jokerdino> i am a little afraid of custom kernel testing. i'll pass to someone more experienced than me
[15:32] <jokerdino> or i might do it in the morning. what's the main reason behind this?
[15:37] <balloons> jokerdino, it's actually really safe and not as scary as you think
[15:37] <balloons> if things break, you can always reboot to the precise kernel your running now that is working
[15:37] <jokerdino> that is a little soothing.
[15:37] <balloons> yes, and of course everything else will still be stable preicse :-)
[15:38] <balloons> the point of having it is to help the kernel team deliver the updated kernel to 12.04.. They will continue to bring new kernels to support new hardware to 12.04 over the course of it's lifetime
[15:38] <balloons> this is but the first :-)
[15:39] <jokerdino> oh right. the hardware support.
[15:39] <balloons> yes, hence the focus on that page of hardware as well :-)
[15:40] <balloons> but all hardware is a testcase.. so whether or not it's on the list, it should work if it worked before ;-)
[15:40] <jokerdino> so, how do i get the kernel?
[17:01] <jono> mhall119, all set?
[17:01] <mhall119> jono: yup
[17:03] <jono> mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/dca3b7f5a8b02a740060cb70e7892c9dfbbd2622?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[18:08] <jcastro> bkerensa: ping me when you're around
[18:10] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you tomorrow
[18:18] <balloons> bah! I noticed my backups haven't been occurring since I switched to quantal a month ago (for some reason all my settings got wiped by the upgrade?!), so I went to update the backup. Halfway thru, I get a read-only filesystem error. Awesome, my main hard disk just died
[18:18] <jcastro> ouch
[18:19] <paultag> balloons: :(
[18:19] <balloons> yea.. time to go pull out the laptop
[18:19] <paultag> balloons: Try to mount it read-only from a livecd and dump it, or dd the disk onto a secondary from a live cd
[18:19] <paultag> then try to recover the filesystem
[18:19] <paultag> that sucks, happened to me too a while back
[18:19] <paultag> fscking btrfs
[18:19] <balloons> It keeps seemingly happening to me ;-(
[18:20] <jcastro> bad drive?
[18:20] <paultag> yeah, I had ~4 HDs die in 3 years, there might be some issues with a few of the SATA drivers
[18:20] <paultag> I never bothered to debug it after I got my latest HD working with a changed MoBo
[18:20] <balloons> jcastro, yes.. I bought enterprise drives from WD
[18:20] <paultag> yeah, that's what I had too
[18:20] <paultag> interesting.
[18:20] <balloons> these guys are meant to go into raid arrays in data centers
[18:20] <balloons> 5 year warranties, etc
[18:20] <balloons> this is the third death in 3 years
[18:20] <paultag> balloons: I'm fairly sure it's the driver barfing
[18:21] <paultag> I was seeing the same behavior with a bunch of WD HDs I had
[18:21] <paultag> and I had ~1 die a year
[18:21] <balloons> I'm getting smart errors, so I don't think it's a driver issue
[18:21] <jcastro> hmm, I would just try another brand next time perhaps?
[18:21] <balloons> unless linux is killing the drive?
[18:21] <paultag> jcastro: yeah, after I switched
[18:21] <balloons> haha
[18:21] <balloons> i can see the headlines now
[18:22] <paultag> balloons: SMART isn't doing much on the driver level, it's tacked on (btw, SMART has been proven to damage drives, just FYI)
[18:22] <paultag> balloons: I was getting bitmask erorrs in my system log iirc
[18:22] <paultag> and on the tty, it had some spew there after it locked up
[18:22] <paultag> can't really remember, it's been a while.
[18:22] <balloons> yea.. I'm in the weird state were the kernel has me covered.. drive is read only now
[18:23] <balloons> it may never boot again
[18:23] <balloons> it probably will, but anything is posisble
[18:23] <paultag> it used to boot just fine for me, it won't start writing bad kruft to the disk anyway
[18:23] <balloons> I've had it both ways
[18:23] <paultag> but it would take a few minutes for it to lock up again
[18:23] <balloons> one drive lasted months in a broken state.. the other died on the spot
[18:23] <paultag> just mount it ro from a live cd
[18:23] <balloons> never to boot again
[18:27]  * balloons goes off to find a spare drive
[18:27] <jcastro> freezer trick!
[18:27] <jono> balloons, ready in a few mins?
[18:27] <balloons> jono, yea, my laptop is ready
[18:27] <paultag> jcastro: oven trick dude - http://xbox-experts.com/tutorial/oven-bake/
[18:27] <jono> balloons, cool
[18:31] <dpm> calling it a day, see you all tomorrow!
[18:33] <balloons> jcastro, actually I'll just return the drive and get a new one under warranty. They've been good about replacing them
[18:33] <balloons> which I suppose is a plus.. I'd rather they just lasted
[18:38] <jono> balloons, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/db91165a53806267edd72cde15cb6a3aac74e61b?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[19:18] <jono> balloons, I lost you
[19:22] <jono> mhall119, man, they keep rolling in
[19:22] <jono> :-)
[19:23] <jono> grabbing lunch...
[19:44] <mhall119> jono: tell me about it
[19:44] <paultag> mhall119: did you get your lintian checks working?
[19:45] <mhall119> paultag: dholbach wrote a separate arb-lint script already
[19:46] <paultag> mhall119: shame :(
[19:46] <paultag> it'd be nice to use standard tools, that way you can use, well, standard tools on top
[19:46] <mhall119> paultag: true, but he was already hacking on it before I asked you
[19:46] <mhall119> might be a good long-term project though
[19:47] <paultag> mhall119: if you want to see a creative way to add a new lintian-compat tool -- http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lintian4python.html
[19:47] <paultag> mhall119: that adds a wrapper script / new checks dir, which you could just as easily added as a lintian profile
[19:49] <mhall119> paultag: I'll put it on my "to look at when I'm not crazy busy" file
[19:49]  * mhall119 gets a ladder
[19:50] <paultag> you need lackies, dude
[19:50] <mhall119> I need minions
[19:55] <paultag> yar
[19:57] <jcastro> ugh
[19:58] <jcastro> man, I say "um" way too much when I screencast
[20:05] <mhall119> me too :(
[20:18] <jcastro> sigh
[20:18] <jcastro> I'm going to have to redo this video
[20:33] <popey> whats the video about jcastro ?
[20:51] <jcastro> popey: it's a newer, simpler video explaining juju
[20:51] <jcastro> but I think it's going to end up being a rehearsal
[20:51] <jcastro> probably easier to reshoot it and have a sign on my monitor saying "don't say um, idiot."
[20:53] <popey> talk slower
[20:53] <popey> it helps prevent ums
[20:53] <czajkowski> jcastro: write what you need to say out before hand ?
[20:53] <jcastro> yeah I just got cocky and thought I could turn a one off into a proper video
[20:53] <jcastro> "I can do this in one take"
[20:54] <popey> sounds too scripted if you do that czajkowski i find :)
[20:54] <jcastro> yeah
[20:54] <jcastro> though maybe an outline
[20:54] <jcastro> underneath the "don't say ummm"
[20:55] <czajkowski> popey: can do, depends on the person.
[20:55] <czajkowski> I have to write things out helps me slow down
[22:02] <bkerensa> jono: can you by chance bring some of the cool breeze from the bay when you come up this weekend?
[22:02] <jono> bkerensa, hah
[22:02] <jono> hot?
[22:03] <ajmitch> bkerensa: I'll swap you
[22:04] <bkerensa> jono: well its been 85-90 everyday for the last few days
[22:04] <bkerensa> with humidity
[22:04] <bkerensa> =/
[22:04] <jono> bkerensa, same here :-)
[22:04] <jono> speaking personally, I love it
[22:04] <jono> I love the heat
[22:04] <bkerensa> jono: really? SF showed 53 on weather channel the other day
[22:04] <bkerensa> =/
[22:05] <jono> bkerensa, I don't live in SF
[22:05] <bkerensa> Ahh I forget
[22:05] <jono> I live in the East Bay - it is much warmer out here
[22:05] <bkerensa> pleia2: send the cool then! :P
[22:08]  * popey agrees
[22:09] <popey> jono lives in a lovely part of town!
[22:09] <popey> we need another UDS out there :)
[22:09] <jono> popey, :-)
[22:11] <bkerensa> popey: on the boat
[23:05] <jono> mhall119, around?