[02:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: I just got the source code for the fan controller :)
[05:13] <knightwise> ls
[05:13] <knightwise> morning
[07:14] <DJones> Morning all
[07:31] <jacobw> morning DJones
[07:40] <jacobw> does anyone know of a method of distributing incoming chats to agents from a jabber roster?
[08:00] <diplo> Morning all
[08:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:24] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:24] <popey> yo
[08:27] <DJones> Off topic and windows question, can anybody recommend an anti malware/spyware with realtime monitoring thats free, spent 4 horus removing one from my dads laptop yesterday evening and would rather not do that again, sadly he's too set in his windows ways to use ubuntu for any length of time
[08:27] <diplo> not sure about real time, but the two I use are Spybot which i think may have some real time
[08:27] <bigcalm> DJones: join VirginMedia. They then give you re-branded software from TrendMicro. Seems to work for my parents
[08:27] <diplo> And the better of the two imo is Malwarebytes, may have real time in pro but not in free i don't think
[08:28] <bigcalm> (this may not be the answer you're looking for)
[08:28] <DJones> diplo: They're the two I was looking at
[08:29] <directhex> i thin k BT also give you some nonsense software. dunno, i rejected it
[08:29] <diplo> Only 2 i really use tbh, they seem to find extra stuff that others don't
[08:29] <directhex> also your online bank might
[08:29] <DJones> bigcalm: No cable where they they live, so not that worth changing, although good suggestion, they're on BT so will look at it
[08:29] <directhex> DJones,  http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=27269
[08:29] <bigcalm> Also, Microsoft offer free software for non server installs of Windows
[08:30] <bigcalm> I can't remember what it's called though
[08:30] <directhex> bigcalm, microsoft security essentials. AV, not malware.
[08:30] <DJones> He's got the free MS antivirus, that completely missed this one
[08:30] <bigcalm> directhex: fair enough
[08:32] <DJones> BT offer BT Netprotect Plus for free
[08:34] <directhex> pretty sure i gave you the url for that
[08:34] <gnuisnotlinux> Vim, or emacs?
[08:34] <popey> edlin
[08:34] <bigcalm> gnuisnotlinux: why stick with just one?
[08:35] <bigcalm> gnuisnotlinux: use what you find best for a given situation :)
[08:35] <directhex> nano.
[08:35] <directhex> because not enough people have the courage to admit that they don't understand vim *or* emacs
[08:35] <bigcalm> Though personally, I use nano and fall back to vim
[08:35] <popey> \o/ I generally use nano
[08:35] <DJones> directhex: Yeah, same one, hadn't clicked on yet, was looking through different ones
[08:36] <gnuisnotlinux> lol neither I still only use gedit :(
[08:39]  * AlanBell is with directhex in the nano camp
[08:42] <Laney> dd
[08:43] <knightwise> anyone know if the nexus 7 is available in the UK yett ?
[08:45] <directhex> couple of weeks
[08:45] <directhex> "SHIPS SOON
[08:45] <directhex> Ships in 2 - 3 weeks."
[08:45] <directhex> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_7_8gb&feature=single-wide-banner
[08:46] <Laney> I definitely need to upgrade my computer
[08:47] <directhex> Laney, add moar rams! and a sheep.
[08:47] <Laney> 4G of RAM and an e6600 don't cut it these days
[08:47] <gnuisnotlinux> what can nano do though?
[08:47] <gnuisnotlinux> just edit and write textr?
[08:47] <directhex> gnuisnotlinux, pretty much.
[08:47] <directhex> Laney, core 7 extreme edition!
[08:48] <directhex> Laney, sadly, due to an intel pricing quirk, upgrading my CPU will cost more than £400 - cheaper to replace the motherboard and cpu at the same time
[08:49] <Laney> due to a bundle?
[08:49] <directhex> Laney, due to an obscure "enthusiast" socket type
[08:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:49] <Laney> unfortunately my cash stream has to be diverted to the "somewhere to live" fund for the near future
[08:49] <directhex> Laney, every generation now, intel sell consumer versions of xeon, on xeon sockets. was socket 1366 when i bought, is now socket 2011
[08:50] <bigcalm> gnuisnotlinux: what do you require?
[08:50] <directhex> which are the enthusiast/xeon versions of 1156 and 1155 respectively
[08:50] <Laney> man, i stopped paying attention to this stuff when i did this upgrade
[08:50] <Laney> which must have been 2008 :o
[08:51] <directhex> sounds about right
[08:51] <Laney> after some so-and-so decided that my laptop would be better of being his laptop
[08:52] <Laney> off
[08:52] <directhex> my choice of CPUs for this motherboard is http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=2958
[08:57] <diplo> Laney: Im the same, way out of the loop on hardware now :(
[08:58] <Laney> just have to stick your head far enough out to get your bearings every 5 years, then go back into hiding
[09:04] <MooDoo> Hello All
[09:04] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:29] <oimon> why, if top is reporting that thunderbird is using 30-60% of cpu, but the system is only reporting 7% usage overall?
[09:34] <Pr0ph3t> Hi all
[09:41] <dwatkins> oimon: where is the 7% reported? loadavg? w?
[09:42] <andylockran> howdy all!
[09:42]  * andylockran is slowly turning into a PHP Dev :p
[09:44] <dwatkins> sounds fun, andylockran
[09:44] <dwatkins> and good morning
[09:44] <gord> oimon: 30-60% of one core
[09:44] <gord> oimon: 7% over all cores
[09:44] <gord> my guess
[09:54] <arsen> the key to understanding vim/vi is to remove nano ;p
[10:10] <AlanBell> arsen: I used to have a test of software back in the pre-gui days, if I couldn't figure out how to close it in under a minute it failed the test.
[10:11] <arsen> lol
[10:11] <arsen> i dont doubt that vi/vim are backwrads
[10:11] <arsen> im a big nano fan, but i think its important to be able to use vi/vim
[10:12] <arsen> i wish i knew more of the in depth shortcuts that would make me more productive in both tbh
[10:13] <AlanBell> I have encountered it sufficient times to know colon w q is the answer (or :q! to quit without saving I think) and i to get into insert mode
[10:13] <arsen> :)
[10:14] <arsen> well theres lots of built shortcuts ive seen some serious experts use which makes them work through stuff incredibly quickly
[10:14] <arsen> but im not sure i have the spare time to sit down and put it into practice in my regular use. nano is just wordpad via CLI which makes it naturally logical to use.
[10:14] <diplo> It's great, I don't know many of the commands
[10:15] <diplo> Shift a end of line
[10:15] <diplo> :set nu
[10:15] <diplo> Set numbered lines etc
[10:15] <diplo> o to append to a line, loads of 'Cheat Sheets' out there
[10:15] <arsen> it just doesnt really follow my brain logic sadly, shift A i can't relate to end of line etc
[10:16] <diplo> What I used to have beside my screen until the ones I used daily sunk in
[10:16] <diplo> Benefit is though as people have mentioned before is that vi is installed on just about every *nix variant I've been on, which you can't say for the others
[10:16] <diplo> So a little knowledge goes far
[10:18] <arsen> yeah, thats why i say it's important to udnerstand the basics.
[10:25] <popey> AlanBell, i bought a pocket vi guide from amazon for a couple of quid last week
[10:26] <popey> i should keep it on my desk with my pocket python book
[10:26] <gord> learning vim isn't too bad if you just write down everything you want to do on a post-it and put it on your monitor
[10:27] <gord> then its all about forcing yourself not to do things the dumb slow way and do it the fast vim way until it becomes second nature
[10:27] <diplo> yeah exactly what I had to do on AIX in my initial days
[10:28] <diplo> We weren't aloud to install anything on the box, so it was vi vi or vi
[10:29] <Daviey> popey: surely, by definition, you should keep it in your pocket?
[10:29] <popey> i have no pockets that size
[10:29] <Daviey> then the fix is to buy clothes with bigger pockets.. not work around the issue.
[10:29] <gord> saying all that, i never did get used to jkl; - i understand the concept, but i think the concept is based on being able to type properly. i rock my own style of typing and basically just use my index finger on my right hand and sometimes if that finger is busy the second finger
[10:29] <popey> also gedit ftw
[10:31] <Daviey> I genuinely prefer my vim setup to using gedit... Not to mention i can get the same experience over ssh as i can locally
[10:32] <gord> Daviey: seen, http://www.sublimetext.com/ ? those demos on the main site there are tempting me to swich from vim to a gui editor. seems like all the useful parts of vim + useful parts of gui
[10:36] <Daviey> gord: doesn't look compelling enough to be payware?
[10:36] <gord> Daviey: well its nagware, you get a nag screen until you pay but otherwise fully functional
[11:09] <andylockran> heya all
[11:12] <brobostigon> hi andylockran
[11:15] <andylockran> howdy brobostigon -  how goes things?
[11:15] <brobostigon> andylockran: not bad, my dermatologist to see later. not bad. and you?
[11:58] <gord> all these "hey this website uses cookies like every other website in the world" things are getting a bit annoying
[11:59] <directhex> gord, yep, but it's legally required to show that message
[12:00] <AlanBell> and if you say no, they can't drop a cookie to say you have already seen it \o/
[12:00] <AlanBell> silly laws are silly
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> directhex: in the Netherlands they even have to ask permission to set cookies
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> as if browsers didn't have that feature..
[12:02] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: it is a european regulation
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: some countries implemented it more strictly than others
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: the ask-for-permission bit isn't required by Europe, but the computerphobes in the Dutch parliament thought it was necessary
[12:10] <AlanBell> yeah, good job the web works like that isn't it
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> Most sites are ignoring it
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> The regulatory body (OPTA, think OFCOM) said it won't enforce the rule because they have more important things to do or something
[12:11] <AlanBell> the european regulation requires all the national governments to create legislation that implements the regulation, which is why all the countries do something similar but different
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> It's still the wrong way to do it
[12:51] <diplo> directhex: Rather than reply on twitter
[12:51] <diplo> My mum has issues with sleeping and has been given this headband thing with speakers of sorts in there
[12:52] <diplo> No in ear part, can't get make/model if you are interested
[12:53] <directhex> mmm, worth a look
[12:53] <diplo> kk, will see her at 4pm or can text her now if you want ?
[12:54] <directhex> in-ear is kinda okay, it just needs to be secured some other way. in-ear buds are secured by resting behind a small ridge of cartilage which sticks up. in my ears the ridge sticks sideways not up, so there's nothing for ear buds to rest behind
[12:54] <directhex> i guess rubber plug style might work, i haven't wanted to "invest" to try though
[12:55] <diplo> heh, these are the only things she has felt comfortable with so far, look a bit of a .... but they work according to her
[13:32]  * Laney just got attacked by swans
[13:32] <Laney> greedy beggars
[14:08] <oimon> gord, dwatkins i only have 2 cores...something is reporting wrongly methinks
[14:09] <gord> oimon: two cores with hyperthreading?
[14:09] <dwatkins> oimon: how do the numbers compare in top?
[14:10] <oimon> i imght try a reboot
[14:10] <oimon> firefox and tbird are consuming all cpu
[14:10] <oimon> even just showing the google page kills cpu
[14:13] <oimon> ksoftirqd is v busy
[14:15] <directhex> leap second bug!
[14:21] <oimon> directhex, oh, you're not joking :-\
[14:21] <directhex> oimon, am i ever?
[14:22] <oimon> date -s "`date`"
[14:23] <oimon> my machines been a pig all day
[14:23] <oimon> i was on holiday last week
[14:23] <oimon> so i missed this story
[14:25] <oimon> was there a furore about this?
[14:26] <directhex> hell yes
[14:26] <directhex> one VPS provider had their power consumption jump by a *megawatt* to deal with all the bugged VMs
[14:28] <oimon> didn't see anything about it on my g+ feed :-\
[14:28] <oimon> i had no mobile contact all week
[14:43] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, we got mails from hetzner asking us to check and reboot our machines, but they all seemed fine
[16:08] <andylockran> hey all
[16:16] <bigcalm> popey: have you ever had your webcam do this? http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/webcam/webcam.jpg
[16:17] <bigcalm> Grr, fixed itself
[16:17] <bigcalm> Something wrong with it though
[17:05] <ok_> testing
[17:08] <bigcalm> It's doing it again! http://discworld.cuth.eu/dump/webcam/webcam.jpg
[17:11] <kirrus> top
[17:11] <kirrus> argh, wrong shell :/
[18:21] <ali1234> bigcalm: my camera does that sometime too, i think it's a bug in the kernel
[18:22] <ali1234> but when mine does it it also goes green and/or pink
[18:22] <ali1234> that appears to be greyscale
[20:09] <ali1234> clouds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlgl0Z8Gjd8
[20:09] <Azelphur> yay clouds.
[20:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: that racing game your playing with looks quite fun :D
[20:11]  * bigcalm returns
[20:11] <ali1234> some day i will finish it
[20:11] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:11] <ali1234> but i've been working on it for over 10 years now
[20:11] <ali1234> ogre didn't even exist when i started
[20:11] <Azelphur> sounds like a duke nukem forever situation
[20:12] <ali1234> pretty much
[20:12] <swattor> evening all
[20:13] <swattor> they did finish duke nukem though didn't they?
[20:13] <swattor> just wasn't... that good.
[20:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: if you ever do finish it, I can provide server space :p
[20:13] <ali1234> it's not an online game :)
[20:13] <Azelphur> aww :(
[20:14] <ali1234> unless we all have super low latency internet by the time i finish it
[20:14] <Azelphur> who knows xD
[20:14] <ali1234> the original game makes CS surfing look tame, seriously
[20:16] <Azelphur> haha
[20:16] <ali1234> eg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dcPiEgwymY
[20:16] <ali1234> yes, he's intentionally falling off to get a speed boost
[20:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, that is indeed pretty fast
[20:19] <ali1234> given you go at 3000 km/h, 50ms latency gives an error of 40 meters
[20:20] <ali1234> and your ship is only about 10 meters long
[20:20] <ali1234> so forget collision detection in online multiplayer
[20:20] <ali1234> just isn't going to happen
[20:21] <Azelphur> haha, indeed
[20:21] <ali1234> the game has to use fixed timestep at 200 updates per second just to not explode horribly
[20:21] <ali1234> i think original quake had an internal clock of 15 fps
[20:23] <ali1234> udp broadcast network games are a possibility though
[20:23] <Azelphur> ali1234: UDP still has the same latency issues doesn't it?
[20:23] <ali1234> not 50ms
[20:24] <ali1234> 50ms is good for internet, it's terrible for LAN
[20:24] <Azelphur> that's interesting, didn't realise UDP was that much faster
[20:24] <ali1234> it isn't, there's just no hops on a LAN
[20:24] <Azelphur> but yea most time sensitive games use UDP
[20:24] <Azelphur> ah
[20:24] <Azelphur> so it'd be "instant"
[20:24] <Azelphur> but only in a LAN
[20:25] <ali1234> if i ping my modem, RTT is 0.5ms
[20:25] <ali1234> if i ping game.azelphur.com RTT is 100ms
[20:25] <Azelphur> I get 0.36 :P
[20:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: btw did I tell you I got the source for the recon
[20:26] <ali1234> oh yeah?
[20:26] <Azelphur> yea
[20:26] <Azelphur> got it at like 3am last night havn't looked at it much yet
[20:26] <Azelphur> but yea, fun fun
[20:26] <Azelphur> python decompiles very nicely :D
[20:41] <Azelphur> I keep getting this really annoying issue with gedit where my text cursor disappears
[20:42] <Azelphur> it's still functional, I can click somewhere and type, but I have no indication whatsoever of where I'm typing :(
[20:42] <Azelphur> have to keep opening and closing gedit to fix it, very annoying
[20:44] <bigcalm> Can you get webcam to store locally without having to make a connection to another machine (even if it's localhost)?
[20:44] <Azelphur> bigcalm: you mean you want to record from your webcam?
[20:44] <ali1234> don't use webcam
[20:44] <bigcalm> Azelphur: webcam is a package in usc
[20:45] <Azelphur> uhh
[20:45] <ali1234> actually i don;t know what to use instead
[20:45] <bigcalm> ali1234: not really my question
[20:45] <ali1234> i used guvcview which records to mjpeg
[20:45] <ali1234> but you can't set the framerate in that
[20:46] <ali1234> you can set local in webcam.conf
[20:46] <ali1234> check the manual page
[20:56] <bigcalm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM-E2f6i2OE :D
[20:58] <bigcalm> webcam didn't have this video problem on the laptop
[21:15]  * bigcalm tickles popey_
[21:15] <popey_> bah
[21:16] <popey_> my virgin box seems to be crap with wifi
[21:16] <popey_> and my non-virgin router doesn't do bridging
[21:16] <popey_> which is annoying
[21:16] <bigcalm> Boo
[21:16] <gord> i also setup my webcam to watch the skies today, now we can all record the boring grey english skies  together!
[21:16] <popey_> \o/
[21:16] <popey_> we should setup a page on ubuntu-uk.org with all our webcams on it
[21:16] <bigcalm> That sounds like a splendid idea
[21:17] <bigcalm> Grey skies of the UK
[21:17] <gord> then suggest the torism board promote our webcams
[21:19] <dwatkins> ...and an image of my rat cage
[21:19] <gord> YES rat cage cam is *essential*
[21:20] <dwatkins> Roger Wilco
[21:20] <bigcalm> I wish I had a pet I could put a radio camera on for a day
[21:20] <dwatkins> so long as there are drivers for my IR-filter-less Logitech Quickcam for 11.04
[21:20] <dwatkins> bigcalm: I have a radio camera, it's terrible quality ;)
[21:21] <bigcalm> dwatkins: not surprised :)
[21:22] <bigcalm> Reminds me of the episode of Drop the Dead Donkey where they strap a radio camera to a badger with somebody's belt
[21:22] <dwatkins> It transmits a black and white image, even from very near-by it's very grainy, although it is a vew years old - I imagine with a pair of xbees you could do something much better now.
[21:22] <dwatkins> hehe, that series was very funny
[21:22] <dwatkins> they always seemed to have the occasional really up-to-date joke, too
[21:31] <zleap> ah i tried that from the hack a day site (remove ir filter from webcam)
[21:31] <zleap> it failed
[21:34] <bigcalm> libv4l2: error dequeuing buf: Input/output error
[21:34] <bigcalm> v4l2: read: Input/output error
[21:34] <bigcalm> capturing image failed
[21:34] <bigcalm> iain@proliant:~$
[21:34] <bigcalm> Would be nice if it were to restart if it dies like that
[21:34]  * bigcalm tries a different webcam
[21:50] <dwatkins> boo, silly webcam
[22:12] <Twinkletoes|H> Anyone suitkl awake>?
[22:12] <Twinkletoes|H> still awake even?
[22:15] <Twinkletoes|H> Nagios in repos, is v3.2.  Nagios built from source is v3.4... and the change logs shows lots of bug fixes done between the two versions.  Which one is most sensible to use?  I normally stick with the repos, but is there any need?
[22:17] <ali1234> as soon as you stop using the repo version you have to baby sit it yourself
[22:17] <ali1234> manual updates, bug fixes etc
[22:17] <ali1234> it all becomes your job
[22:17] <ali1234> so don't do it unless you really need some feature that is only in the latest version
[22:18] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: There was just such a lot of changes since 3.2 and 3.4 that I've been wondering if the 3.2 is ok to use or not?
[22:18] <ali1234> it's fine
[22:18] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: Ok.
[22:18] <ali1234> if it wasn't they wouldn't put it in the repos
[22:18] <Twinkletoes|H> Thank you :)
[22:18] <ali1234> if there was a security bug fixed in 3.4 they would backport the fix to 3.2
[22:18] <ali1234> that's the idea anyway
[22:19] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: good point
[22:19] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: I suffer from always wanting the latest and greatest - it's bnad of me - I know
[22:20] <ali1234> put it this way
[22:20] <ali1234> if a security bug is found, ubuntu developers will probably have backported it before you have patched your local version
[22:20] <Twinkletoes|H> ali1234: Yeah
[22:21] <ali1234> and quite possibly before you even find out about it
[22:22]  * Twinkletoes|H has installed form the repos now
[22:22] <Twinkletoes|H> I know the error of my thinking now :)
[22:25] <Laney> wow
[22:26] <Laney> it just started raining really heavily
[22:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Kelly and Luke  a sneak preview - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/07/09/kelly-and-luke-a-sneak-preview/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=kelly-and-luke-a-sneak-preview
[23:32] <ali1234> Azelphur: i updated to precise and clinfo now segfaults. any ideas?
[23:33] <ali1234> it was working with precise beta (or alpha)
[23:33] <Azelphur> clinfo?
[23:33] <ali1234> yes, opencl
[23:33] <ali1234> any opencl program now segfaults in libc
[23:33] <ali1234> [ 2148.375862] clinfo[10699]: segfault at fffffffffffffff8 ip 00007f78965acbc3 sp 00007fff05e01ca8 error 6 in libstdc++.so.6.0.16[7f789650e000+e2000]
[23:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: I had an issue recently where I did an update and then had issues with opengl, rebooting fixed it
[23:33] <Azelphur> dumb answer, but may work
[23:34] <ali1234> i already rebooted
[23:34] <ali1234> like 100 times
[23:35] <Azelphur> no idea then, weird