[00:03] hah http://www.flyingrhinocc.com/cycling-news/2012/7/8/chevy-commercial-filmed-at-waterford-hills.html [00:04] do as I say, not as I do... don't try to do 20 burpies with no warmup after drinking like three glasses of water [00:22] burpies? [00:24] Phew. Sent off the Squeezebox article [00:25] woot [00:25] Hopefully they'll like it. [00:25] (and hopefully it'll pass editing muster, and not make some editor out there explode) [00:26] It's hard to do layout in plain text [00:26] ie: I sent a bunch of hi-res images along with the article [00:41] snap-l: who's it for? [00:45] I guess I should take photos of both hotels I'm at in DC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Rouge [00:45] erm, wrong channel [01:10] greg-g: Linux Journal [01:11] greg-g: Those statues in the Wikipedia article are creeeeepy [01:12] burpies to crossfiters, aka downups and a million other names to anyone who did highschool sports, and pretty much unknown to everyone else. [01:14] burpees I guess [01:14] I have NFC what you're talaking about. [01:14] (I was in band) [01:15] me too [01:15] ive only known about them for a couple years [01:16] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MGljX4bbps [01:17] I may have overdone it tho [01:32] so is ruby bullshit or is it just bullshit on freebsd [01:47] derekv: rofl. [01:47] 20 burbies after 3 glasses of water is NUTS. [01:48] it was sloshing around [01:48] =p [01:48] i'll bet. [01:48] did you puke? [01:48] nah [01:48] try 5 glasses next time, see what happens. [01:49] 3 pitchers of beer [01:49] das boot das burpees [01:51] http://beersandburpees.wordpress.com/ lol [01:52] jrwren: well anyways its not like I planed it out. [01:58] i'd still like to use octopress due to the fact I think it comes styled out of the box and its ready to go for github pages, also looks like it has more users, but blogofiles worked faster ... [01:58] still can't get ruby 1.9 to work correctly [01:59] all of the static html generating "blog aware" frameworks seem to work with a very similar pattern ... but not identical [02:13] ah nice finally got it rolling [02:42] they see me rolling, they t-t-trolling, [03:19] tryin' ot catch you coding dirty. [03:33] http://www.earache.com/free/ [03:33] http://askearache.blogspot.com/2012/05/shocking-rise-of-digital-music-database.html [03:34] Extremely interesting take on Digital Music business [04:34] http://derekv.github.com/ lame [04:34] oh well [04:35] i'm not really groking octopress [04:36] derekv: your resource paths have an extra 'derekv' in them [04:37] should be "http://derekv.github.com/javascripts/ender.js" for example [04:37] Blazeix: yea I think I set it up wrong [04:37] not "http://derekv.github.com/derekv/javascripts/ender.js [04:37] " [04:37] that makes sense... [04:45] there we go [04:46] I know what happened. [04:52] All I really want, is a repo with markup pages, then something seperate that throws style on them and gives you a "blog" view showing the most recent posts [05:05] Oh, you should always waste time when you don't have any. Time is not the boss of you. Rule 408. [10:15] Good morning [10:55] party [11:02] anyone catch the name of the truck than ran over me? [11:02] Yeah, it was called Vacation Rental [11:03] "Relaxin' your ass ince 1969" [11:07] ugh [11:12] I'm happy that my article is done, though [11:12] and bonus: I don't have to ship back the review unit. :) [11:15] ooooh [11:15] of the touch? [11:17] Yep [11:17] niiiiice [11:17] Yeah, no complaints there. :) [11:48] Morning [11:48] Hello everybody! [11:49] Everyone enjoying the cool down? [11:50] brousch: You are from the GR area right? How has it been over there? [11:53] It was nice yesterday [11:53] Some of us got a little cold at the beach [11:54] lol I hear it. I was out at a beach and did some Kayaking. It was nice, but cool at times. [11:54] shush! [11:54] until it's < 80 it's still too hot, but thank goodness we're < 90 [11:55] HA HA [11:55] I like it in the high 70s - to mid 80s. Breaking 90+ is just too hot. [11:56] http://goo.gl/xOEFl [11:58] The cold was from the wind churning up cold water from the depths [12:01] rick_h_: That makes my head hurt [12:52] brousch: how so? [12:52] nice cassandra plug in there [13:03] The lengths they go to for scale and reliability are beyond my ken [13:04] I shouldn't say that. They are beyond my knowledge and my current desire to learn [14:24] * snap-l is listening to Miles Davis' Tutu. [14:31] * shakes808 likes what snap-l is listening too. [14:32] Listening to my Frank Sinatra station on Pandora. It is just that kind of day it would seem ;) [14:34] Yeah, but later it's Pantera covers. :) [14:35] :D Nice. [14:36] Can't believe that it has been 8 years since he was killed. It doesn't even seem that long. [14:37] What a trajedy [14:44] Yeah, definitely one of metal's worst moments [14:44] one crazy fan ruins it for everyone else. [14:46] and weren't they talking about getting together for one more album or reunion tour [14:46] I almost had tickets to the show up here and was invited to the OH show but had to work and couldn't get it off. [14:46] I don't think it would have happened. [14:47] Why not? Grudges to deep with Phil? [14:48] I've read interviews with Phil. Maybe it would have worked it at some point [14:48] but frankly it seems highly unlikely. [14:48] gotcha [14:49] Then again, I never thought Black Sabbath would get back together with Ozzy (and kick out Geezer Butler) so I know nothing. [14:49] HA HA [14:49] Not Geezer, sorry [14:49] come on metalcast, aren't you supposed to have the insight on all things metal? ;) lol [14:49] Bill Ward. [14:50] I spend my time not giving a crap about Ozzy. ;) [14:50] ha ha [14:50] too main stream for you? [14:50] but Black Sabbath is good. [14:50] at least the 1969 album is :p [14:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Black_Sabbath_band_members [14:51] shakes808: I find Sharon Osborne both a help and a hinderance for Ozzy. [14:52] Any time the Ozzy camp does something bitchy, I imagine her behind it. [14:52] snap-l: why is that? [14:52] see: Iron Maiden on Ozzfest [14:52] That said, Ozzy wouldn't be here if it weren't for her. [14:56] didn't she help him get clean and stay clean? [14:57] what do you all use for backups? [14:57] anyone just using tar? [14:58] jrwren: No, because Tar is bad for big backups [14:58] shakes808: Yes [14:59] jrwren: I use rdiff-backup [14:59] tar is bad why? because you have to seek teh whole file? [14:59] rdiff backup to what? usb disk and then take the usb disk offsite? [14:59] because if you compress it, you have a bad file [14:59] jrwren: because it is thick and sticky. It helped to kill the dinosaurs ;) lol [15:00] I rdiff-backup to a 2TB drive on my desk [15:00] I don't have offsite backup [15:00] what do you mean if you compress it you have a bad file [15:00] try this: [15:00] tar czvf filename.tar.gz something [15:00] then bring out a hex editor and change one byte [15:00] your file is screwed. [15:01] hrm, ok, that is true. [15:01] uncompressed tar is a little more forgiving, but you'll lose the corrupted file [15:01] i could use a checksumming tool to suppliement. usenet style. par2 my tar.gz and be happy [15:01] that is true of your rsync target too though. [15:02] You could use something like rar [15:02] if a file is corrupt, a file is corrupt [15:02] jrwren: Right, but that's what multi-level backups are for [15:02] right. [15:02] that is what I'm doing with tar. [15:02] at some point the pristine file should be there. [15:02] tar -g [15:03] and --level=1 and 2 [15:03] jrwren: It's your data. Frankly I wouldn't use tar for backups [15:03] It's pretty dumb [15:03] ok [15:04] jrwren: I just copy to USB [15:04] and brousch also doesn't like data. ;) [15:04] Rotate 14 drives for offsite, gives me 2 weeks backups [15:04] soundcloud didn't work out. [15:04] jrwren: no, just using rsync for backups here [15:04] rsync, dropbox, and git repos [15:05] one of the reasons i want it in a single file is it is easier to encrypt and easier to upload to s3 or whereever [15:05] well and web services. All my pics on picasa now and all my music up to google music now [15:05] jrwren: yea, I've thoguht about it, but the cpu/memory overhead of creating a single tar ugh [15:05] jrwren: Home or work? [15:05] and then restoring so many unchanged bits on s3 double ugh [15:06] Does S3 handle encrypted FS? [15:06] cpu memory overhead for a tar is trivial, for compressing it is painful. dedicate a cPU to it ;) [15:06] sorry, two thoughts there...storing so many unchanged bits ugh, storing ugh [15:06] home. [15:06] Ah, OK, that is different [15:06] restoring damn I can't type today [15:06] I just use Crashplan, but that requires evil [15:06] what do you mean restoring unchanged bits on s3? [15:06] i'd use incrementals of course. [15:07] if you re-tar your /home to s3 you'll have a daily file of 400mb, 401mb, etc [15:07] well, good luck to you :) but no...not using tar for backups [15:07] That's where the levels would come i [15:07] in [15:07] but I have NFC how tar stores those, or how it might overlay those changes. [15:08] the more complicated the backup gets, the more likely it won't work, you don't keep up with it, or it costs too much. [15:08] what do you mean 4001, 4001 ? [15:08] truth [15:08] jrwren: just meant that simplest means no incremental [15:08] oh no, i use -g and --level [15:08] but if you'll incremental it up so that you're not storing a 400mb file each day then cool I guess [15:09] note the "i guess" [15:09] the level 1 and level 2 is in its own file, its not an append or overlay [15:09] That's code for "I think you're crazy" [15:09] so you have backup0.tar, backup1.tar [15:10] its why i'm asking. [15:10] another reason i like it is that it is easy to use xz compression. i got my system down from 9GB to 1.7GB, which saves $$$ [15:10] for me, I just have my large files (pita to backup) in cloud services, my important stuff (code) in git, and the rest I rsync to the NAS and if it goes away...that sucks [15:10] If you're going to compress, I'd recommend using bzip2 [15:11] gzip has no error-correction [15:11] bzip2 does [15:11] Not fool-proof, but you won't be stuck with a fully corrupted file [15:12] just use rar and usenet and be done with it. ;) [15:13] "No honey, this usenet subscription is REALLY important. It's my backup plan. alt.binaries.backup" [15:14] jrwren: Is there something wrong with Time Machine? [15:14] brousch: Other than being fully Apple, um, yes. [15:14] * rick_h_ runs away from the troll bait [15:17] What? He uses apple, it comes with Time Machine for backups [15:17] snap-l: i'm using xz. bzip2 is sooo 15 yrs ago :) [15:17] I've used it in the past, it seems reasonable [15:17] brousch: my work mac has an at work time machine to external drive. I'm looking at options for backing up my home server [15:18] huge thanks to snap-l for pointing out the lack of integrity. I think I can run parchive on the tar and store those with the backups. [15:19] Ah, home server [15:20] I need to work on simplicity . [15:21] g'morn [15:21] derekv: ++ [15:22] I was just having a discussion around simplicity with a co-worker [15:23] jrwren: np, I'be been bit by that in the past. [15:23] Simplicity is my goal but I can overengineer in attempt to achive it. [15:26] Many programmers don't engineer at all it feels like... and thats really painful. [15:27] So I engineer somewhat from the beginning, but then as my understanding increases it sometimes turns out I didn't need to. [15:30] Then the coders who think that everything should be in the view controller see my code and don't like it. [15:33] so it comes down to. like, OK while I didn't need to do what I did in retrospect, but its better to have some architecture then a big mess [15:35] But ideally, there's some right amount of architecture/engineering that makes for simplicity, not adding complexity to the app beyond what tis nessisiary for readability, testability and correctness [15:46] simplicity is difficult [15:52] simple != easy [15:53] when I engineer well, making changes to the program is like butter. [15:54] yeah and knowing when you've churned enough to make butter is awesome [15:54] but yea not everything I plan out ends up making things easier... and while its not really making it harder, its more for the next guy to get his head around [15:56] CODE AS IF THE NEXT GUY TO MAINTAIN YOUR CODE IS A HOMICIDAL MANIAC WHO KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE. [15:57] http://www.sundoginteractive.com/sunblog/posts/code-as-if-the-next-guy-to-maintain-your-code-is-a-homicidal-maniac-who-kno/ [15:57] thats the goal... I'm talking about getting it right [15:58] I'm trying to figure out if it'd be a big mistake to error more on the underengineered side [15:59] If I'm even able to do that. [16:01] I have FUD [16:03] derekv: so step 1: deal with the issue at hand. [16:03] if they're putting crap into their view controller ask them to test it [16:03] and let's see how long before it's refactored out of the view controller into it's own lib/model/etc :P [16:03] if they still don't get it, they don't understand code/testability and it's time to find their replacement :) [16:35] i'm in a sprint planning ... should I let "implement using code coverage tool" drop off the sprint without brining it up again? [16:35] i sortof conceeded that, now I'm thinking its a bad idea [16:38] Need more data [16:38] bah, code coverage is easy to add and just having information doesn't change anything [16:38] so why not add it in? what's the argument against? [16:38] dunno, scrum guy wanted to drop it out of the sprint [16:39] Does he / she know what code coverage gets you? [16:40] I don't think so. [16:40] actually the problem is larger I think... bbiab [16:40] Might be a convo to have [16:50] you know... there's sortof a simplicicty issue with defining stories and subtasks [16:56] Sounds like you're in a project management hell [16:57] Those meetings are always fun. "What are the subtasks? OK, step one: I arrive at work and sit in my chair" [16:58] "TOo granular" [16:58] "OK, I sit at my desk,a nd code falls out" [16:58] "Too broad" [16:58] "Minute 1: I pray for death" [16:58] "Minute 2: I pray for death" [16:59] "Minute 3: I pray for death" [16:59] they are painful, but in a healthy dev org they are very valueable [16:59] Minute 4: I scratch my self. [16:59] "Minute 5: I pray for death" [17:00] jrwren: Those moments are few and far between [17:03] yea, user stories, or personas are helpful [17:03] really aid in the framing of the discussion when debating features/tasks [17:05] rick_h_: Usually the user story we got on a project was "I'm way too busy for these meetings" [17:05] and then they bitched when they didn't get what they wanted. [17:05] hah [17:05] only a few of them really did get the purpose of the meetings. [17:06] unfortuately they still didn't get what they wanted. [17:06] but that was a function of the process. [18:20] someone help me, I'm going to try to package up JS into a python egg... [18:22] Is that legal? [18:23] I'm not sure... [18:23] which js? [18:23] oh, your client js. sure, that is fine. [18:24] no, YUI library [18:24] into a python package so I can pull it down via python dep tools [18:24] :/ [18:26] O..M..G http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/9965/why-is-there-still-case-sensitivity-in-some-programming-languages [18:26] because we're not programming on fucking 3270s any more? [18:27] or Atari 400s [18:27] case in-sensitivity is something that I can never ever get behind [18:27] I can get behind it. With a baseball bat and bad intentions. [18:28] Seriously, I wonder if people think before they post. [18:29] Also, Gama Bomb has a free album on earache's website [18:29] I am enjoying thoroughly. [18:29] its not that bad. [18:29] its barely noticable. [18:29] http://earache.com/free/ [18:30] if you are actually using the sensitivity you are probably doing it wrong. [18:30] naming 2 funcitons idostuff() and IDoStuff() is bad, mmmkay. [18:30] jrwren: I have some COBOL that has your name on it. [18:30] hahaha. [18:31] * devinheitmueller just spent the last five minutes looking up the entomology of the word "camel case"... [18:31] find anything interesting? [18:32] <_stink_> findMyProposalToUseItInAllTypedCommunications? [18:32] It's because the notion of uppercase characters mixed in with lowercase resembles humps on a camel. [18:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_case#History_of_the_name_.22camel_case.22 [18:33] camelCaseIsForPeopleWithNoImagination [18:34] What is it? itsAVariableThatIsEssentiallyAGodDamnSentence [18:34] <_stink_> thinkOfAllTheBytesYouAreSaving. [18:35] that's what the build step is for [18:35] Oh, that's another fun one [18:35] jsmin **/*.js :P [18:35] "Should I use tabs to speed up comilation instead of spaces?" [18:35] lol [18:35] <_stink_> hahah [18:35] <_stink_> i love it. [18:36] Should I pogo-stick with a shotgun? [18:36] snap-l: during compilation, the cost of figuring out how much to indent due to the tab outweighs just using spaces. [18:36] If it keeps your ass off the keyboard, please do [18:37] devinheitmueller: I know. It's the circle-jerk of productivity wasting known as programmers.se.com [18:37] For some reason my coworkers frown on my using the term "circle jerk" to describe certain things. [18:38] that's never stopped snap-l before [18:38] rick_h_: it doesn't really stop me either. They just frown when I do it. [18:39] I have a "Corporate DNA" ethics directive that says to use "straight talk" [18:39] I'm actually not kidding. It's frightening. [18:39] well, in today's environment I think it's considered rude to exclude certain groups of people that might find an activity more challenging :P [18:40] straight talk? That is straight talk, yo [18:40] rick_h_: You do not want to know why that statement is wrong. ;) [18:41] snap-l: nope...I do not [18:41] In [1]: 776 * .10 [18:42] I <3 floating point conversion. [18:42] https://github.com/blog/1187-github-android-app-released [18:49] jrwren: so not sure if they'll fix it upstream: https://github.com/facebook/tornado/issues/559#issuecomment-6797492 [18:50] jrwren: but I'm getting convinced to port this app over from tornado and will keep this bug in mind during porting/rewriting [18:57] does the CSS fail to load for anyone else here? https://juju.ubuntu.com [18:57] as in it looks fugly and broken? [18:59] Yes [18:59] ok thanks for the sanity check [18:59] And "This page has insecure content" [18:59] yea [19:12] snap-l: I downloaded those free Earache albums too [19:13] snap-l: Morbid Angel was on Earache, so I have a softspot for them [19:13] brousch: Let me know how the other two are [19:13] I only downloaded gama bomb [19:42] rick_h_: yes, no css here [19:47] Interesting https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/598228-4-fine-linux-arm-distros- [19:55] rick_h_: What good is a github app that doesn't let you clone/pull? [19:56] anyone know if Dell has released their Ubuntu ultrabook yet? www.dell.com/ubuntu just lists a crap laptop [19:57] Scott_firebeta: I posted a link where you could sign up for their beta last week [20:08] just get a thinkpad [20:08] i'd like to try a samsung series 9 with ubuntu. [20:09] jrwren: I thought you had gone to the apple side? [20:09] i have, but that doesn't mean that I'd switch if there were something better. [20:10] Apple has pattented better. No one else can make something better without getting sued. [20:12] I'm trying to decide between an asus zenbook and a macbook air, and airplay might be the deciding feature [20:14] macbook air is excellent. [20:14] if I don't like OS X I can always install a linux distro (prices are similar) [20:14] i have loved both of my macbook air [20:14] i thought linux does not run well on a macbook air [20:15] only feature that I can find on the zenbook that the macbook air doesn't have is a 1080p screen [20:15] you know Lion doesn't have any airplay features, you have to wait for mountain lion, right. [20:15] zenbook has a 1080p display? that is excellent. [20:15] free upgrade to mountain lion if you by a macbook air now [20:15] i highly recommend the macbook air :) [20:16] wow, $1099 for 1080p 13" zenbook... I'd definitely like to try ubuntu on that as my primary for a while [20:17] macbook air (mid 2011) is pretty compatible with 12.04: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2 , no article on the mid 2012 model yet [20:17] Scott_firebeta: I have not been able to get Linux working 100% on Apple (MBP). In particular I have trouble with external monitors, and the touchpad doesn't work as well [20:18] Doesn't work as well as in OSX, I should clarify [20:18] mid2012 model is pretty much the same as 2011, just ivybridge instead of sandy [20:58] I <3 this album: http://www.last.fm/music/Suicidal+Tendencies/The+Art+Of+Rebellion [21:00] (yes, I know, it's a day ending in Y) [22:39] Hm https://sites.google.com/site/thisisrebelcountry/chapter-2-the-gub/the-interurban-era [22:39] brousch, that looks interesting. [22:39] bah, that's not what i meant to post [22:40] http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/07/09/212217/general-motors-to-slash-outsourcing-in-it-overhaul?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Reader [22:40] well, it was a happy mistake because it looks interesting. [22:40] wow. that's great news [22:43] i wish Chrysler would do the same. [22:47] Heh, I forgot which company you geekers work for [22:50] Chrysler here. well, RGBSI, but i'm AT Chrysler. [22:58] wow, that is risky and excellent by GM. [22:58] it could be really great for them, it could be a disaster [23:01] i hope it's really great for them and improves their IT support. [23:01] maybe the other major automakers will follow by example [23:17] rick_h_ did you have any progress on that ivy bridge freeze bug? [23:17] my computer is running smooth as butter today [23:34] awesome http://theoatmeal.com/blog/charity_money [23:34] gamerchick02: no, I was away all weekend away from the interwebs and catching up still [23:35] rick_h_, i saw the oatmeal thing; that's so awesome [23:35] and thanks for replying.