[00:03] <rick_h_> hah http://www.flyingrhinocc.com/cycling-news/2012/7/8/chevy-commercial-filmed-at-waterford-hills.html
[00:04] <derekv> do as I say, not as I do... don't try to do 20 burpies with no warmup after drinking like three glasses of water
[00:22] <greg-g> burpies?
[00:24] <snap-l> Phew. Sent off the Squeezebox article
[00:25] <rick_h_> woot
[00:25] <snap-l> Hopefully they'll like it.
[00:25] <snap-l> (and hopefully it'll pass editing muster, and not make some editor out there explode)
[00:26] <snap-l> It's hard to do layout in plain text
[00:26] <snap-l> ie: I sent a bunch of hi-res images along with the article
[00:41] <greg-g> snap-l: who's it for?
[00:45] <greg-g> I guess I should take photos of both hotels I'm at in DC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Rouge
[00:45] <greg-g> erm, wrong channel
[01:10] <snap-l> greg-g: Linux Journal
[01:11] <snap-l> greg-g: Those statues in the Wikipedia article are creeeeepy
[01:12] <derekv> burpies to crossfiters, aka downups and a million other names to anyone who did highschool sports, and pretty much unknown to everyone else.
[01:14] <derekv> burpees I guess
[01:14] <snap-l> I have NFC what you're talaking about.
[01:14] <snap-l> (I was in band)
[01:15] <derekv> me too
[01:15] <derekv> ive only known about them for a couple years
[01:16] <derekv> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MGljX4bbps
[01:17] <derekv> I may have overdone it tho
[01:32] <derekv> so is ruby bullshit or is it just bullshit on freebsd
[01:47] <jrwren> derekv: rofl.
[01:47] <jrwren> 20 burbies after 3 glasses of water is NUTS.
[01:48] <derekv> it was sloshing around
[01:48] <derekv> =p
[01:48] <jrwren> i'll bet.
[01:48] <jrwren> did you puke?
[01:48] <derekv> nah
[01:48] <jrwren> try 5 glasses next time, see what happens.
[01:49] <derekv> 3 pitchers of beer
[01:49] <derekv> das boot das burpees
[01:51] <derekv> http://beersandburpees.wordpress.com/ lol
[01:52] <derekv> jrwren: well anyways its not like I planed it out.
[01:58] <derekv> i'd still like to use octopress due to the fact I think it comes styled out of the box and its ready to go for github pages, also looks like it has more users, but blogofiles worked faster ...
[01:58] <derekv> still can't get ruby 1.9 to work correctly
[01:59] <derekv> all of the static html generating "blog aware" frameworks seem to work with a very similar pattern ... but not identical
[02:13] <derekv> ah nice finally got it rolling
[02:42] <derekv> they see me rolling, they t-t-trolling,
[03:19] <jrwren> tryin' ot catch you coding dirty.
[03:33] <snap-l> http://www.earache.com/free/
[03:33] <snap-l> http://askearache.blogspot.com/2012/05/shocking-rise-of-digital-music-database.html
[03:34] <snap-l> Extremely interesting take on Digital Music business
[04:34] <derekv> http://derekv.github.com/ lame
[04:34] <derekv> oh well
[04:35] <derekv> i'm not really groking octopress
[04:36] <Blazeix> derekv: your resource paths have an extra 'derekv' in them
[04:37] <Blazeix> should be "http://derekv.github.com/javascripts/ender.js" for example
[04:37] <derekv> Blazeix: yea I think I set it up wrong
[04:37] <Blazeix> not "http://derekv.github.com/derekv/javascripts/ender.js
[04:37] <Blazeix> "
[04:37] <derekv> that makes sense...
[04:45] <derekv> there we go
[04:46] <derekv> I know what happened.
[04:52] <derekv> All I really want, is a repo with markup pages, then something seperate that throws style on them and gives you a "blog" view showing the most recent posts
[05:05] <derekv> Oh, you should always waste time when you don't have any. Time is not the boss of you. Rule 408.
[10:15] <snap-l> Good morning
[10:55] <rick_h_> party
[11:02] <rick_h_> anyone catch the name of the truck than ran over me?
[11:02] <snap-l> Yeah, it was called Vacation Rental
[11:03] <snap-l> "Relaxin' your ass ince 1969"
[11:07] <rick_h_> ugh
[11:12] <snap-l> I'm happy that my article is done, though
[11:12] <snap-l> and bonus: I don't have to ship back the review unit. :)
[11:15] <rick_h_> ooooh
[11:15] <rick_h_> of the touch?
[11:17] <snap-l> Yep
[11:17] <rick_h_> niiiiice
[11:17] <snap-l> Yeah, no complaints there. :)
[11:48] <shakes808> Morning
[11:48] <brousch> Hello everybody!
[11:49] <shakes808> Everyone enjoying the cool down?
[11:50] <shakes808> brousch: You are from the GR area right? How has it been over there?
[11:53] <brousch> It was nice yesterday
[11:53] <brousch> Some of us got a little cold at the beach
[11:54] <shakes808> lol I hear it. I was out at a beach and did some Kayaking. It was nice, but cool at times.
[11:54] <rick_h_> shush!
[11:54] <rick_h_> until it's < 80 it's still too hot, but thank goodness we're < 90
[11:55] <shakes808> HA HA
[11:55] <shakes808> I like it in the high 70s - to mid 80s. Breaking 90+ is just too hot.
[11:56] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/xOEFl
[11:58] <brousch> The cold was from the wind churning up cold water from the depths
[12:01] <brousch> rick_h_: That makes my head hurt
[12:52] <rick_h_> brousch: how so?
[12:52] <rick_h_> nice cassandra plug in there
[13:03] <brousch> The lengths they go to for scale and reliability are beyond my ken
[13:04] <brousch> I shouldn't say that. They are beyond my knowledge and my current desire to learn
[14:24]  * snap-l is listening to Miles Davis' Tutu.
[14:31]  * shakes808 likes what snap-l is listening too.
[14:32] <shakes808> Listening to my Frank Sinatra station on Pandora. It is just that kind of day it would seem ;)
[14:34] <snap-l> Yeah, but later it's Pantera covers. :)
[14:35] <shakes808> :D Nice.
[14:36] <shakes808> Can't believe that it has been 8 years since he was killed. It doesn't even seem that long.
[14:37] <shakes808> What a trajedy
[14:44] <snap-l> Yeah, definitely one of metal's worst moments
[14:44] <snap-l> one crazy fan ruins it for everyone else.
[14:46] <shakes808> and weren't they talking about getting together for one more album or reunion tour
[14:46] <shakes808> I almost had tickets to the show up here and was invited to the OH show but had to work and couldn't get it off.
[14:46] <snap-l> I don't think it would have happened.
[14:47] <shakes808> Why not? Grudges to deep with Phil?
[14:48] <snap-l> I've read interviews with Phil. Maybe it would have worked it at some point
[14:48] <snap-l> but frankly it seems highly unlikely.
[14:48] <shakes808> gotcha
[14:49] <snap-l> Then again, I never thought Black Sabbath would get back together with Ozzy (and kick out Geezer Butler) so I know nothing.
[14:49] <shakes808> HA HA
[14:49] <snap-l> Not Geezer, sorry
[14:49] <shakes808> come on metalcast, aren't you supposed to have the insight on all things metal? ;) lol
[14:49] <snap-l> Bill Ward.
[14:50] <snap-l> I spend my time not giving a crap about Ozzy. ;)
[14:50] <shakes808> ha ha
[14:50] <shakes808> too main stream for you?
[14:50] <jrwren> but Black Sabbath is good.
[14:50] <jrwren> at least the 1969 album is :p
[14:51] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Black_Sabbath_band_members
[14:51] <snap-l> shakes808: I find Sharon Osborne both a help and a hinderance for Ozzy.
[14:52] <snap-l> Any time the Ozzy camp does something bitchy, I imagine her behind it.
[14:52] <shakes808> snap-l: why is that?
[14:52] <snap-l> see: Iron Maiden on Ozzfest
[14:52] <snap-l> That said, Ozzy wouldn't be here if it weren't for her.
[14:56] <shakes808> didn't she help him get clean and stay clean?
[14:57] <jrwren> what do you all use for backups?
[14:57] <jrwren> anyone just using tar?
[14:58] <snap-l> jrwren: No, because Tar is bad for big backups
[14:58] <snap-l> shakes808: Yes
[14:59] <snap-l> jrwren: I use rdiff-backup
[14:59] <jrwren> tar is bad why? because you have to seek teh whole file?
[14:59] <jrwren> rdiff backup to what? usb disk and then take the usb disk offsite?
[14:59] <snap-l> because if you compress it, you have a bad file
[14:59] <shakes808> jrwren: because it is thick and sticky. It helped to kill the dinosaurs ;) lol
[15:00] <snap-l> I rdiff-backup to a 2TB drive on my desk
[15:00] <snap-l> I don't have offsite backup
[15:00] <jrwren> what do you mean if you compress it you have a bad file
[15:00] <snap-l> try this:
[15:00] <snap-l> tar czvf filename.tar.gz something
[15:00] <snap-l> then bring out a hex editor and change one byte
[15:00] <snap-l> your file is screwed.
[15:01] <jrwren> hrm, ok, that is true.
[15:01] <snap-l> uncompressed tar is a little more forgiving, but you'll lose the corrupted file
[15:01] <jrwren> i could use a checksumming tool to suppliement. usenet style. par2 my tar.gz and be happy
[15:01] <jrwren> that is true of your rsync target too though.
[15:02] <snap-l> You could use something like rar
[15:02] <jrwren> if a file is corrupt, a file is corrupt
[15:02] <snap-l> jrwren: Right, but that's what multi-level backups are for
[15:02] <jrwren> right.
[15:02] <jrwren> that is what I'm doing with tar.
[15:02] <snap-l> at some point the pristine file should be there.
[15:02] <jrwren> tar -g
[15:03] <jrwren> and --level=1 and 2
[15:03] <snap-l> jrwren: It's your data. Frankly I wouldn't use tar for backups
[15:03] <snap-l> It's pretty dumb
[15:03] <jrwren> ok
[15:04] <brousch> jrwren: I just copy to USB
[15:04] <snap-l> and brousch also doesn't like data. ;)
[15:04] <brousch> Rotate 14 drives for offsite, gives me 2 weeks backups
[15:04] <derekv> soundcloud didn't work out.
[15:04] <rick_h_> jrwren: no, just using rsync for backups here
[15:04] <rick_h_> rsync, dropbox, and git repos
[15:05] <jrwren> one of the reasons i want it in a single file is it is easier to encrypt and easier to upload to s3 or whereever
[15:05] <rick_h_> well and web services. All my pics on picasa now and all my music up to google music now
[15:05] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, I've thoguht about it, but the cpu/memory overhead of creating a single tar ugh
[15:05] <brousch> jrwren: Home or work?
[15:05] <rick_h_> and then restoring so many unchanged bits on s3 double ugh
[15:06] <snap-l> Does S3 handle encrypted FS?
[15:06] <jrwren> cpu memory overhead for a tar is trivial, for compressing it is painful. dedicate a cPU to it ;)
[15:06] <rick_h_> sorry, two thoughts there...storing so many unchanged bits ugh, storing ugh
[15:06] <jrwren> home.
[15:06] <brousch> Ah, OK, that is different
[15:06] <rick_h_> restoring damn I can't type today
[15:06] <brousch> I just use Crashplan, but that requires evil
[15:06] <jrwren> what do you mean restoring unchanged bits on s3?
[15:06] <jrwren> i'd use incrementals of course.
[15:07] <rick_h_> if you re-tar your /home to s3 you'll have a daily file of 400mb, 401mb, etc
[15:07] <rick_h_> well, good luck to you :) but no...not using tar for backups
[15:07] <snap-l> That's where the levels would come i
[15:07] <snap-l> in
[15:07] <snap-l> but I have NFC how tar stores those, or how it might overlay those changes.
[15:08] <rick_h_> the more complicated the backup gets, the more likely it won't work, you don't keep up with it, or it costs too much.
[15:08] <jrwren> what do you mean 4001, 4001 ?
[15:08] <snap-l> truth
[15:08] <rick_h_> jrwren: just meant that simplest means no incremental
[15:08] <jrwren> oh no, i use -g and --level
[15:08] <rick_h_> but if you'll incremental it up so that you're not storing a 400mb file each day then cool I guess
[15:09] <snap-l> note the "i guess"
[15:09] <jrwren> the level 1 and level 2 is in its own file, its not an append or overlay
[15:09] <snap-l> That's code for "I think you're crazy"
[15:09] <jrwren> so you have backup0.tar, backup1.tar
[15:10] <jrwren> its why i'm asking.
[15:10] <jrwren> another reason i like it is that it is easy to use xz compression. i got my system down from 9GB to 1.7GB, which saves $$$
[15:10] <rick_h_> for me, I just have my large files (pita to backup) in cloud services, my important stuff (code) in git, and the rest I rsync to the NAS and if it goes away...that sucks
[15:10] <snap-l> If you're going to compress, I'd recommend using bzip2
[15:11] <snap-l> gzip has no error-correction
[15:11] <snap-l> bzip2 does
[15:11] <snap-l> Not fool-proof, but you won't be stuck with a fully corrupted file
[15:12] <snap-l> just use rar and usenet and be done with it. ;)
[15:13] <snap-l> "No honey, this usenet subscription is REALLY important. It's my backup plan. alt.binaries.backup"
[15:14] <brousch> jrwren: Is there something wrong with Time Machine?
[15:14] <snap-l> brousch: Other than being fully Apple, um, yes.
[15:14]  * rick_h_ runs away from the troll bait
[15:17] <brousch> What? He uses apple, it comes with Time Machine for backups
[15:17] <jrwren> snap-l: i'm using xz. bzip2 is sooo 15 yrs ago :)
[15:17] <brousch> I've used it in the past, it seems reasonable
[15:17] <jrwren> brousch: my work mac has an at work time machine to external drive. I'm looking at options for backing up my home server
[15:18] <jrwren> huge thanks to snap-l for pointing out the lack of integrity. I think I can run parchive on the tar and store those with the backups.
[15:19] <brousch> Ah, home server
[15:20] <derekv> I need to work on simplicity .
[15:21] <greg-g> g'morn
[15:21] <rick_h_> derekv: ++
[15:22] <rick_h_> I was just having a discussion around simplicity with a co-worker
[15:23] <snap-l> jrwren: np, I'be been bit by that in the past.
[15:23] <derekv> Simplicity is my goal but I can overengineer in attempt to achive it.
[15:26] <derekv> Many programmers don't engineer at all it feels like... and thats really painful.
[15:27] <derekv> So I engineer somewhat from the beginning, but then as my understanding increases it sometimes turns out I didn't need to.
[15:30] <derekv> Then the coders who think that everything should be in the view controller see my code and don't like it.
[15:33] <derekv> so it comes down to. like, OK while I didn't need to do what I did in retrospect, but its better to have some architecture then a big mess
[15:35] <derekv> But ideally, there's some right amount of architecture/engineering that makes for simplicity, not adding complexity to the app beyond what tis nessisiary for readability, testability and correctness
[15:46] <jrwren> simplicity is difficult
[15:52] <derekv> simple != easy
[15:53] <derekv> when I engineer well, making changes to the program is like butter.
[15:54] <snap-l> yeah and knowing when you've churned enough to make butter is awesome
[15:54] <derekv> but yea not everything I plan out ends up making things easier... and while its not really making it harder, its more for the next guy to get his head around
[15:56] <snap-l> CODE AS IF THE NEXT GUY TO MAINTAIN YOUR CODE IS A HOMICIDAL MANIAC WHO KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE.
[15:57] <snap-l> http://www.sundoginteractive.com/sunblog/posts/code-as-if-the-next-guy-to-maintain-your-code-is-a-homicidal-maniac-who-kno/
[15:57] <derekv> thats the goal... I'm talking about getting it right
[15:58] <derekv> I'm trying to figure out if it'd be a big mistake to error more on the underengineered side
[15:59] <derekv> If I'm even able to do that.
[16:01] <derekv> I have FUD
[16:03] <rick_h_> derekv: so step 1: deal with the issue at hand.
[16:03] <rick_h_> if they're putting crap into their view controller ask them to test it
[16:03] <rick_h_> and let's see how long before it's refactored out of the view controller into it's own lib/model/etc :P
[16:03] <rick_h_> if they still don't get it, they don't understand code/testability and it's time to find their replacement :)
[16:35] <derekv> i'm in a sprint planning ... should I let "implement using code coverage tool" drop off the sprint without brining it up again?
[16:35] <derekv> i sortof conceeded that, now I'm thinking its a bad idea
[16:38] <snap-l> Need more data
[16:38] <rick_h_> bah, code coverage is easy to add and just having information doesn't change anything
[16:38] <rick_h_> so why not add it in? what's the argument against?
[16:38] <derekv> dunno, scrum guy wanted to drop it out of the sprint
[16:39] <snap-l> Does he / she know what code coverage gets you?
[16:40] <derekv> I don't think so.
[16:40] <derekv> actually the problem is larger I think... bbiab
[16:40] <snap-l> Might be a convo to have
[16:50] <derekv> you know... there's sortof a simplicicty issue with defining stories and subtasks
[16:56] <snap-l> Sounds like you're in a project management hell
[16:57] <snap-l> Those meetings are always fun. "What are the subtasks? OK, step one: I arrive at work and sit in my chair"
[16:58] <snap-l> "TOo granular"
[16:58] <snap-l> "OK, I sit at my desk,a nd code falls out"
[16:58] <snap-l> "Too broad"
[16:58] <snap-l> "Minute 1: I pray for death"
[16:58] <snap-l> "Minute 2: I pray for death"
[16:59] <snap-l> "Minute 3: I pray for death"
[16:59] <jrwren> they are painful, but in a healthy dev org they are very valueable
[16:59] <snap-l> Minute 4: I scratch my self.
[16:59] <snap-l> "Minute 5: I pray for death"
[17:00] <snap-l> jrwren: Those moments are few and far between
[17:03] <rick_h_> yea, user stories, or personas are helpful
[17:03] <rick_h_> really aid in the framing of the discussion when debating features/tasks
[17:05] <snap-l> rick_h_: Usually the user story we got on a project was "I'm way too busy for these meetings"
[17:05] <snap-l> and then they bitched when they didn't get what they wanted.
[17:05] <rick_h_> hah
[17:05] <snap-l> only a few of them really did get the purpose of the meetings.
[17:06] <snap-l> unfortuately they still didn't get what they wanted.
[17:06] <snap-l> but that was a function of the process.
[18:20] <rick_h_> someone help me, I'm going to try to package up JS into a python egg...
[18:22] <snap-l> Is that legal?
[18:23] <rick_h_> I'm not sure...
[18:23] <jrwren> which js?
[18:23] <jrwren> oh, your client js. sure, that is fine.
[18:24] <rick_h_> no, YUI library
[18:24] <rick_h_> into a python package so I can pull it down via python dep tools
[18:24] <rick_h_> :/
[18:26] <rick_h_> O..M..G http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/9965/why-is-there-still-case-sensitivity-in-some-programming-languages
[18:26] <snap-l> because we're not programming on fucking 3270s any more?
[18:27] <snap-l> or Atari 400s
[18:27] <rick_h_> case in-sensitivity is something that I can never ever get behind
[18:27] <snap-l> I can get behind it. With a baseball bat and bad intentions.
[18:28] <snap-l> Seriously, I wonder if people think before they post.
[18:29] <snap-l> Also, Gama Bomb has a free album on earache's website
[18:29] <snap-l> I am enjoying thoroughly.
[18:29] <jrwren> its not that bad.
[18:29] <jrwren> its barely noticable.
[18:29] <snap-l> http://earache.com/free/
[18:30] <jrwren> if you are actually using the sensitivity you are probably doing it wrong.
[18:30] <jrwren> naming 2 funcitons idostuff() and IDoStuff() is bad, mmmkay.
[18:30] <snap-l> jrwren: I have some COBOL that has your name on it.
[18:30] <jrwren> hahaha.
[18:31]  * devinheitmueller just spent the last five minutes looking up the entomology of the word "camel case"...
[18:31] <rick_h_> find anything interesting?
[18:32] <_stink_> findMyProposalToUseItInAllTypedCommunications?
[18:32] <devinheitmueller> It's because the notion of uppercase characters mixed in with lowercase resembles humps on a camel.
[18:32] <devinheitmueller> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_case#History_of_the_name_.22camel_case.22
[18:33] <snap-l> camelCaseIsForPeopleWithNoImagination
[18:34] <snap-l> What is it? itsAVariableThatIsEssentiallyAGodDamnSentence
[18:34] <_stink_> thinkOfAllTheBytesYouAreSaving.
[18:35] <rick_h_> that's what the build step is for
[18:35] <snap-l> Oh, that's another  fun one
[18:35] <rick_h_> jsmin **/*.js :P
[18:35] <snap-l> "Should I use tabs to speed up comilation instead of spaces?"
[18:35] <rick_h_> lol
[18:35] <_stink_> hahah
[18:35] <_stink_> i love it.
[18:36] <snap-l> Should I pogo-stick with a shotgun?
[18:36] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: during compilation, the cost of figuring out how much to indent due to the tab outweighs just using spaces.
[18:36] <snap-l> If it keeps your ass off the keyboard, please do
[18:37] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: I know. It's the circle-jerk of productivity wasting known as programmers.se.com
[18:37] <devinheitmueller> For some reason my coworkers frown on my using the term "circle jerk" to describe certain things.
[18:38] <rick_h_> that's never stopped snap-l before
[18:38] <devinheitmueller> rick_h_: it doesn't really stop me either.  They just frown when I do it.
[18:39] <devinheitmueller> I have a "Corporate DNA" ethics directive that says to use "straight talk"
[18:39] <devinheitmueller> I'm actually not kidding.  It's frightening.
[18:39] <rick_h_> well, in today's environment I think it's considered rude to exclude certain groups of people that might find an activity more challenging :P
[18:40] <snap-l> straight talk? That is straight talk, yo
[18:40] <snap-l> rick_h_: You do not want to know why that statement is wrong. ;)
[18:41] <rick_h_> snap-l: nope...I do not
[18:41] <snap-l> In [1]: 776 * .10
[18:42] <snap-l> I <3 floating point conversion.
[18:42] <rick_h_> https://github.com/blog/1187-github-android-app-released
[18:49] <rick_h_> jrwren: so not sure if they'll fix it upstream: https://github.com/facebook/tornado/issues/559#issuecomment-6797492
[18:50] <rick_h_> jrwren: but I'm getting convinced to port this app over from tornado and will keep this bug in mind during porting/rewriting
[18:57] <rick_h_> does the CSS fail to load for anyone else here? https://juju.ubuntu.com
[18:57] <rick_h_> as in it looks fugly and broken?
[18:59] <brousch> Yes
[18:59] <rick_h_> ok thanks for the sanity check
[18:59] <brousch> And "This page has insecure content"
[18:59] <rick_h_> yea
[19:12] <brousch> snap-l: I downloaded those free Earache albums too
[19:13] <brousch> snap-l: Morbid Angel was on Earache, so I have a softspot for them
[19:13] <snap-l> brousch: Let me know how the other two are
[19:13] <snap-l> I only downloaded gama bomb
[19:42] <jrwren> rick_h_: yes, no css here
[19:47] <brousch> Interesting https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/598228-4-fine-linux-arm-distros-
[19:55] <brousch> rick_h_: What good is a github app that doesn't let you clone/pull?
[19:56] <Scott_firebeta> anyone know if Dell has released their Ubuntu ultrabook yet?  www.dell.com/ubuntu just lists a crap laptop
[19:57] <brousch> Scott_firebeta: I posted a link where you could sign up for their beta last week
[20:08] <nullspace> just get a thinkpad
[20:08] <jrwren> i'd like to try a samsung series 9 with ubuntu.
[20:09] <nullspace> jrwren: I thought you had gone to the apple side?
[20:09] <jrwren> i have, but that doesn't mean that I'd switch if there were something better.
[20:10] <brousch> Apple has pattented better. No one else can make something better without getting sued.
[20:12] <Scott_firebeta> I'm trying to decide between an asus zenbook and a macbook air, and airplay might be the deciding feature
[20:14] <jrwren> macbook air is excellent.
[20:14] <Scott_firebeta> if I don't like OS X I can always install a linux distro (prices are similar)
[20:14] <jrwren> i have loved both of my macbook air
[20:14] <jrwren> i thought linux does not run well on a macbook air
[20:15] <Scott_firebeta> only feature that I can find on the zenbook that the macbook air doesn't have is a 1080p screen
[20:15] <jrwren> you know Lion doesn't have any airplay features, you have to wait for mountain lion, right.
[20:15] <jrwren> zenbook has a 1080p display? that is excellent.
[20:15] <Scott_firebeta> free upgrade to mountain lion if you by a macbook air now
[20:15] <jrwren> i highly recommend the macbook air :)
[20:16] <jrwren> wow, $1099 for 1080p 13" zenbook... I'd definitely like to try ubuntu on that as my primary for a while
[20:17] <Scott_firebeta> macbook air (mid 2011) is pretty compatible with 12.04:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2 , no article on the mid 2012 model yet
[20:17] <brousch> Scott_firebeta: I have not been able to get Linux working 100% on Apple (MBP). In particular I have trouble with external monitors, and the touchpad doesn't work as well
[20:18] <brousch> Doesn't work as well as in OSX, I should clarify
[20:18] <jrwren> mid2012 model is pretty much the same as 2011, just ivybridge instead of sandy
[20:58] <snap-l> I <3 this album: http://www.last.fm/music/Suicidal+Tendencies/The+Art+Of+Rebellion
[21:00] <snap-l> (yes, I know, it's a day ending in Y)
[22:39] <brousch> Hm https://sites.google.com/site/thisisrebelcountry/chapter-2-the-gub/the-interurban-era
[22:39] <gamerchick02> brousch, that looks interesting.
[22:39] <brousch> bah, that's not what i meant to post
[22:40] <brousch> http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/07/09/212217/general-motors-to-slash-outsourcing-in-it-overhaul?utm_source=feedburnerGoogle+Reader&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
[22:40] <gamerchick02> well, it was a happy mistake because it looks interesting.
[22:40] <gamerchick02> wow. that's great news
[22:43] <gamerchick02> i wish Chrysler would do the same.
[22:47] <brousch> Heh, I forgot which company you geekers work for
[22:50] <gamerchick02> Chrysler here. well, RGBSI, but i'm AT Chrysler.
[22:58] <jrwren> wow, that is risky and excellent by GM.
[22:58] <jrwren> it could be really great for them, it could be a disaster
[23:01] <gamerchick02> i hope it's really great for them and improves their IT support.
[23:01] <gamerchick02> maybe the other major automakers will follow by example
[23:17] <gamerchick02> rick_h_ did you have any progress on that ivy bridge freeze bug?
[23:17] <gamerchick02> my computer is running smooth as butter today
[23:34] <rick_h_> awesome http://theoatmeal.com/blog/charity_money
[23:34] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: no, I was away all weekend away from the interwebs and catching up still
[23:35] <gamerchick02> rick_h_, i saw the oatmeal thing; that's so awesome
[23:35] <gamerchick02> and thanks for replying.