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littlegirlHey there, what's the difference between https://help.ubuntu.com/community and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ ? They both seem to be created and maintained by the community.00:53
ScottKlittlegirl: The former is for end user documentation to help end users.  The later is supposed to be mostly for the development community.00:54
ScottKYou'll see some end user help stuff on w.u.c, but it really doesn't belong there.00:54
littlegirlScottK: Thanks! (:00:55
littlegirlWhen I make any changes, I don't want to make anything inaccurate. (:00:55
ScottKThey're both wikis.  If you make a mistake, it's easy enough to fix later.00:56
ScottKDon't let fear of mistakes stop you too much.00:56
littlegirlYeah, I'm trying to put as much stuff into the global.ent file as possible so that if there are changes that need to be made, most or much of them can be done in that one file instead of all over the place. (:00:57
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apacheloggerany immediate business? otherwise I'll look into ktp testing today03:47
ScottKapachelogger: Could use you to scrape up a minion to make https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo point at http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-flavor-kubuntu.html since we're using work items now.04:32
apachelogger I think we are low on minions for some reason04:33
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apacheloggerScottK, Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-postponeds continues to need approval07:20
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apacheloggershadeslayer: do you still need calligra in the staging ppa?07:31
debfxapachelogger: amarok needs liblastfm fixing07:38
apacheloggerin bzr07:40
debfxwhat's blocking the upload?07:42
apacheloggernothing, why upload though, we expect the final release anyway07:43
debfxto finally finish that liblastfm transition07:48
apachelogger*shrug*07:50
apacheloggerfeel free to upload07:50
BluesKajHowdy all10:49
Riddellmorning10:49
BluesKaj'morning10:50
apacheloggershadeslayer: why does ktp hard dep on a point relaase version of qtgstreamer?10:58
apacheloggerwhat could possibly have changed that much10:58
apachelogger0.4 that is10:58
apacheloggeralso I am currently staging ktp 0.4 in the staging ppa to be moved to backports10:58
Riddellcool today's arm images work nicely on my pandaboard and monitor11:17
Riddella definate step up from the precise images11:17
Mamarokapachelogger: you might not get an immediate response, he said yesterday:11:46
Mamarok[19:30] <shadeslayer> fwiw I won't be around for a couple of days, exhaustion + charging adapter broken11:46
apacheloggeroh11:46
apacheloggerbetter hunt down one of the ktp masters then11:46
apacheloggercheers11:46
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ScottKapachelogger: Looks approved to me.12:50
apacheloggerScottK: Proposed for quantal 12:51
apacheloggerDirection:Needs approval 12:51
ScottKapachelogger: Not anymore.12:51
apachelogger\o/12:52
apacheloggercheers12:52
ScottKBTW, kdepim security fix debdiffs are with the security team for review/publishing.12:52
Riddellkubotu: newversion digikam 2.7.013:33
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/102297213:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1022972 in digikam (Ubuntu) "Please update digikam to 2.7.0" [Undecided,New]13:34
* jussi waves15:18
jussiSO I now have my pc set up in the new house... feeling like home :D15:19
jtechidna"Home is where the desktop is"15:19
Riddelljussi: ah hah, you can do kubuntu things 24 hours a day now?15:22
jussilol15:22
jussiRiddell: even jussi's need to sleep occaisionally...15:22
jussiSO no, not 24/7 sorry :D15:23
ScottKapachelogger: Speaking of ktp, is upstream going to support OTR anytime soon?15:32
Riddellunknown15:39
Riddellthere's a spec for it and maybe someone at collabora will implement it, but nobody likes the design15:39
ScottKThe design of OTR?15:45
ScottKIt's working very nicely in Kopete.15:45
Riddellintegrating it with telepathy (or so I'm told)15:46
Riddellit's known that it's a notable missing feature15:47
apacheloggerScottK: I think telepathy needs to support that first15:52
apacheloggerif I am not completely mistaken15:52
Riddellyes15:52
ScottKSo where to they hang out?16:02
Riddelltelepathy people?  probably in #telepathy16:02
Riddellbut they're well aware of the issue16:03
ScottKOK.16:05
littlegirlHey there, the web.xml Kubuntu system document recommends installing sun-java6-jre but that's outdated. Which package would someone install now?20:59
Riddellhi littlegirl 21:01
Riddellhmm does anyone still use java?21:02
Riddelldidn't that go out with the 90s?21:02
debfxlittlegirl: is it specifically about sun java or just java in general?21:02
littlegirlNot me, but they might have to. For example, if you want to use DocBook5, you can validate your documents with a Windows program or some Java programs and that's about it. (:21:02
Riddellopenjdk-6-jre is the equivalent21:03
Riddellbut I don't know if that'll give you a java plugin for your browser21:03
Riddellooh maybe it's openjdk-7-jre21:03
littlegirlIt's basically about installing Java for use in the various browsers.21:03
littlegirlThere's also sun-javadb-client, but I don't know anything about Java, so I have no idea which of these is the equivalent.21:03
littlegirlRiddell: Can I take it from the lack of complaints that nobody is unhappy with what I've been doing to the documentation? (:21:04
Riddelllittlegirl: you can safely assume we are all thrilled21:04
littlegirlLOL21:04
debfxlittlegirl: icedtea-6-plugin is the openjdk browser plugin21:05
littlegirldebfx: Thanks! I'm not 100% certain I should put that there. Can you take a look at the web.xml document?21:06
littlegirlIt's line 485 here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/quantal/view/head:/docs/web/C/web.xml21:07
Riddellmm yes icedtea-6-plugin does the job21:07
littlegirlOh, while I've got your ear, Riddell, the copyright date on the legal notice is 2011. Should I change it to 2012 or add 2012 to it?21:08
RiddellI'm still proud of this first year programming exercise of mine http://jriddell.org/programmes/java/Mandelbrot.html :)21:08
littlegirlOkay, good, then that's what I'll put there. (:21:08
Riddelllittlegirl: add 2012 to it21:08
Riddellassuming you'll be keeping at least some of what's already there21:09
littlegirlHeh, I can't look at it because it requires a plug-in I don't have. (:21:09
debfxoh dear, that page is completely outdated21:09
littlegirlYep, I'll be keeping quite a bit. (:21:09
littlegirldebfx: Not to worry - it's being updated. (:21:09
littlegirlBy the way, I'm going to need help from at least one other person when it comes to checking the accuracy of all the documents, because I don't have Windows networked to this computer, don't have wireless internet, etc., so some things will be impossible for me to verify.21:10
debfxso firefox automatically detects which package you need to install21:11
littlegirlI'd even be happy to make it easy for anyone to help with the verification in that all they need to do is make some notes about what's not correct and what it should say, and I'll do the writing.21:11
* littlegirl does not use Java.21:12
debfxfor rekonq icedtea-6-plugin would be the right packages though I'm not sure if anyone has even tested if it works in rekonq21:12
RiddellI just did, works nicely21:12
littlegirlGood to know. (:21:12
debfxjava works nicely in a browser? that's news to me ;)21:13
littlegirlRiddell, on the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs page there's a "Document Kubuntu Active " work item. What does that mean? Do you want a new document added to the Kubuntu system documentation with the ones that are there or a new, separate document? Also, is this something that someone without a tablet can do? And if not, will Canonical buy me a tablet, which I would take very good care of? (: (: (:21:14
littlegirlIs IcedTea6 an application or an environment?21:16
Riddelllittlegirl: I haven't thought about it, I think just a part of the same documentation is fine but you're the top docs writer at the moment so you might know best21:17
Riddelllittlegirl: but kubuntu active hasn't yet been updated, it's waiting on Plasma active 321:17
Riddellso I don't know if it's worth starting to write until that appears21:17
Riddelllittlegirl: canonical won't but kubuntu might, although it'll take working out what a good tablet would be first21:18
littlegirlRiddell: Okay, so I guess we'll wait on that, then. Will it be possible for me to try it out and write it up without having a tablet? Oh, and my son wants to know which tablet(s) it works on, because he's thinking of buying one. (:21:18
littlegirlRiddell: I was kidding, but it would be all kinds of cool. (:21:19
Riddelllittlegirl: yes it works fine on a laptop/desktop it just doesn't have the touch goodness21:19
Riddellbut I don't know what it works on, I have no experience with tablets21:19
littlegirlRiddell: Ah, okay, then I'll grab it and throw it into my VirtualBox to check it out. Is it currently available?21:19
Riddelldarkwing and rbelem have more experience but I guess they're both offline for a bit21:20
littlegirlHopefully there's a team of people working on it so we can find out. (:21:20
Riddelllittlegirl: there's a 12.04 release of Kubuntu Active yes21:20
Riddellthe 12.10 images are complete untested (but it would be interesting to test them)21:20
littlegirlDownloading as we speak... (:21:21
littlegirlI'm grabbing the 12.04 ones. How do I get the 12.10 ones?21:22
Riddelllittlegirl: you might be overestimating how kubuntu works, a team of people for Kubuntu Active is optimistic!21:22
littlegirlRiddell: Then we must gather one! (:21:22
Riddelllittlegirl: daily images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/20120608/  which are completely untested as I say21:22
littlegirlHow small is it?21:22
Riddelllittlegirl: Kubuntu Active?  it's mostly just rbelem who does it, but he's busy with real life just now21:23
littlegirlI'm grabbing that one instead. May as well live dangerously. (:21:23
RiddellI like your spirit :)21:24
littlegirlHeh, I learned how to wrestle with software with my first copy of Kubuntu because I got a non-LTS when it first came out, and since that was doable, it's all just an adventure. (:21:24
littlegirlHow is your eye, by the way?21:25
Riddellgets slowly better thanks, I still need to use a patch for close stuff like using a computer21:25
littlegirlI'm glad to hear it's getting better. (:21:25
littlegirlI think they've got my download capped. (:21:26
Riddelloh? slowed down?21:26
Riddellanother way is to use an ec2 machine and vnc into it, works well enough for testing21:26
littlegirlYeah, I'm only at 17%. (:21:26
littlegirlHey, did you check out the script I added to the scripts directory of the Kubuntu system documentation?21:27
Riddellscripts/display-unused-global-entities.sh ?21:27
littlegirlYep. I wanted to write something from scratch rather than editing other people's work. (:21:27
littlegirlIt works like a charm. I ran it through some hard-core tests. (:21:28
Riddellyeah nice, prints out the languages which presumably aren't used anywhere21:28
littlegirlI meant to ask about that. Should I get rid of those, or are they there for a reason?21:28
littlegirlYou can see that script really go to work if you run it on the Precise documents. (:21:29
Riddellhmm that I'm not sure21:29
Riddellthey might be used for translations21:29
Riddelldunno21:29
littlegirlI'm figuring that if they're there as a reference, probably anyone who would want them for that is familiar with Bazaar and would know how to pull up an old copy of the global.ent file to see them, but I don't know anything about .pot files, and in the event that the translators need them, I figured I'd leave them until I find out for sure. (:21:30
littlegirl45% and counting... Have you tried Kubuntu Active?21:31
Riddellyep, it's full of slidey swipey things21:31
littlegirlThat's really cool, but I hope they keep it separate and still leave the desktop as it is for us old-fashioned users. (:21:33
Riddellyeah they won't merge, this isn't unity21:33
Riddellthey share 98% of code though so it's nicely implemented21:33
littlegirlThat's so good to know! Ubuntu is losing my son because he uses Ubuntu and refuses to use Unity, so he's looking around for a change. I'm working on convincing him to use Kubuntu because I've used it for years and love it. (:21:34
Riddellget him into kubuntu, get him into this channel and we'll make a contributor of him :)21:35
Daskreechlittlegirl: Embrace the K21:36
littlegirlLOL, I'm doing my best! It helps that I like to toy around with different distributions just to keep my eye on the competition, and I've found nothing as good out there, so I know he won't. (:21:37
BluesKajkubuntu is a family activity L(21:37
BluesKajerr :)21:38
littlegirlHeh, I'm starting to feel like the documents are my children. (:21:38
BluesKajdark in here21:38
micahgin this case, it's good to be blue :)21:38
BluesKajmicahg absolutely21:39
littlegirlDownload complete!21:39
littlegirlInteresting and different. (:21:52
darkwingRiddell: What am I doing?21:54
Riddellooh hi darkwing 21:55
Riddelldarkwing: what happened to the tablet you were going to get your hands on?21:56
darkwingI have it... homeless at the moment.21:56
darkwingWell, quasi homeless.21:56
Riddellthe tablet is?21:56
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Riddellor you?21:56
DarkwingNo, I am.21:56
Riddellthat sounds cumbersome to life21:57
DarkwingI'm bouncing between mates places till I get to Indiana.21:57
DarkwingEhh, not to much to life but, to development it is.21:57
DarkwingI have my flight for august 3.21:58
DarkwingBut, till then, I'm kinda floating.21:58
DarkwingHad a mate who is letting me use his server for Quasselcore21:58
littlegirlHey there, Darkwing. (:21:58
Darkwinghey littlegirl21:58
littlegirlI can see that Kubuntu Active will be fun to play with once we get some tablets. (:21:59
Riddella Quasselcore isn't really as good as a home21:59
RiddellDarkwing: it's a zareason tablet you got?21:59
DarkwingYes it is.21:59
DarkwingNo, but with quasselcore I can get in contact with people from my mobile.22:00
Darkwingand yes, the zatablet is what me and rbelem got.22:00
DarkwingAnd when I have some decent internet I'll get that flowing again.22:01
littlegirlThat Kubuntu Active ran smoothly just now - no hiccups. (:22:01
Riddelllittlegirl: ooh thanks for testing that22:01
littlegirlRiddell: Any time. It was in VirtualBox with 1 GB of RAM and it didn't mind that. I didn't experience any bugs, which is amazing, considering it's not a finished release. (:22:01
Darkwinglittlegirl: I have not ignored your email either... When i get on a laptop I'll shoot a reply. :D22:02
littlegirlDarkwing: Not a problem. I'm just working my way through the documentation so that hopefully by the time you get back a good chunk of it will be in passable condition. (:22:03
DarkwingYay!22:04
littlegirlLOL22:04
littlegirlYou're entirely to blame for this, Darkwing. It's because of you that I learned Bazaar and DocBook. (:22:04
littlegirlBoth of which I love, by the way. (:22:05
Darkwinglittlegirl: Good! because I'm going to prolly switch gears a bit in Kubuntu land in a bit and let you take lead in docs :D22:05
littlegirlDarkwing: I'm not ready to do that yet, so keep as much of your hand in them as possible. (:22:06
DarkwingI'll be around and trust me... You are lightyears further than I was when it was turned over to me by nixternal22:07
Darkwingand I'm not going anywhere...22:07
DarkwingWell, I'm not vanishing on a perm basis22:07
littlegirlThere's a lot I don't know. Like, for instance, how to view docs inside the KHelpCenter instead of in Yelp, which is what I'm using. And that's just for starters. (:22:07
Darkwing:)22:08
* Darkwing wants to stab KHelpCenter22:08
littlegirlLOL22:08
littlegirlI read the manual and took all the examples they gave and tried to apply them, but nothing worked. (:22:09
littlegirlDo you view them in Yelp, too?22:09
DarkwingNope....22:10
DarkwingI validate the XML and I read straight from code.22:10
littlegirlOh! You don't even view them afterward to see how it all went together>22:11
* littlegirl misplaced her question mark22:11
Darkwing:D That is what the validation does.22:12
DarkwingAnywho... I have to duck out for a bit... I'll be back.22:13
littlegirlOkay, good to see you. (:22:13
DarkwingGood to see you too :D22:14
Darkwingcheers!22:14

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