[00:53] <littlegirl> Hey there, what's the difference between https://help.ubuntu.com/community and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ ? They both seem to be created and maintained by the community.
[00:54] <ScottK> littlegirl: The former is for end user documentation to help end users.  The later is supposed to be mostly for the development community.
[00:54] <ScottK> You'll see some end user help stuff on w.u.c, but it really doesn't belong there.
[00:55] <littlegirl> ScottK: Thanks! (:
[00:55] <littlegirl> When I make any changes, I don't want to make anything inaccurate. (:
[00:56] <ScottK> They're both wikis.  If you make a mistake, it's easy enough to fix later.
[00:56] <ScottK> Don't let fear of mistakes stop you too much.
[00:57] <littlegirl> Yeah, I'm trying to put as much stuff into the global.ent file as possible so that if there are changes that need to be made, most or much of them can be done in that one file instead of all over the place. (:
[03:47] <apachelogger> any immediate business? otherwise I'll look into ktp testing today
[04:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: Could use you to scrape up a minion to make https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo point at http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-flavor-kubuntu.html since we're using work items now.
[04:33] <apachelogger>  I think we are low on minions for some reason
[07:20] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-postponeds continues to need approval
[07:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you still need calligra in the staging ppa?
[07:38] <debfx> apachelogger: amarok needs liblastfm fixing
[07:40] <apachelogger> in bzr
[07:42] <debfx> what's blocking the upload?
[07:43] <apachelogger> nothing, why upload though, we expect the final release anyway
[07:48] <debfx> to finally finish that liblastfm transition
[07:50] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[07:50] <apachelogger> feel free to upload
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:49] <Riddell> morning
[10:50] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[10:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why does ktp hard dep on a point relaase version of qtgstreamer?
[10:58] <apachelogger> what could possibly have changed that much
[10:58] <apachelogger> 0.4 that is
[10:58] <apachelogger> also I am currently staging ktp 0.4 in the staging ppa to be moved to backports
[11:17] <Riddell> cool today's arm images work nicely on my pandaboard and monitor
[11:17] <Riddell> a definate step up from the precise images
[11:46] <Mamarok> apachelogger: you might not get an immediate response, he said yesterday:
[11:46] <Mamarok> [19:30] <shadeslayer> fwiw I won't be around for a couple of days, exhaustion + charging adapter broken
[11:46] <apachelogger> oh
[11:46] <apachelogger> better hunt down one of the ktp masters then
[11:46] <apachelogger> cheers
[12:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: Looks approved to me.
[12:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: Proposed for quantal 
[12:51] <apachelogger> Direction:Needs approval 
[12:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not anymore.
[12:52] <apachelogger> \o/
[12:52] <apachelogger> cheers
[12:52] <ScottK> BTW, kdepim security fix debdiffs are with the security team for review/publishing.
[13:33] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion digikam 2.7.0
[13:34] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1022972
[15:18]  * jussi waves
[15:19] <jussi> SO I now have my pc set up in the new house... feeling like home :D
[15:19] <jtechidna> "Home is where the desktop is"
[15:22] <Riddell> jussi: ah hah, you can do kubuntu things 24 hours a day now?
[15:22] <jussi> lol
[15:22] <jussi> Riddell: even jussi's need to sleep occaisionally...
[15:23] <jussi> SO no, not 24/7 sorry :D
[15:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: Speaking of ktp, is upstream going to support OTR anytime soon?
[15:39] <Riddell> unknown
[15:39] <Riddell> there's a spec for it and maybe someone at collabora will implement it, but nobody likes the design
[15:45] <ScottK> The design of OTR?
[15:45] <ScottK> It's working very nicely in Kopete.
[15:46] <Riddell> integrating it with telepathy (or so I'm told)
[15:47] <Riddell> it's known that it's a notable missing feature
[15:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think telepathy needs to support that first
[15:52] <apachelogger> if I am not completely mistaken
[15:52] <Riddell> yes
[16:02] <ScottK> So where to they hang out?
[16:02] <Riddell> telepathy people?  probably in #telepathy
[16:03] <Riddell> but they're well aware of the issue
[16:05] <ScottK> OK.
[20:59] <littlegirl> Hey there, the web.xml Kubuntu system document recommends installing sun-java6-jre but that's outdated. Which package would someone install now?
[21:01] <Riddell> hi littlegirl 
[21:02] <Riddell> hmm does anyone still use java?
[21:02] <Riddell> didn't that go out with the 90s?
[21:02] <debfx> littlegirl: is it specifically about sun java or just java in general?
[21:02] <littlegirl> Not me, but they might have to. For example, if you want to use DocBook5, you can validate your documents with a Windows program or some Java programs and that's about it. (:
[21:03] <Riddell> openjdk-6-jre is the equivalent
[21:03] <Riddell> but I don't know if that'll give you a java plugin for your browser
[21:03] <Riddell> ooh maybe it's openjdk-7-jre
[21:03] <littlegirl> It's basically about installing Java for use in the various browsers.
[21:03] <littlegirl> There's also sun-javadb-client, but I don't know anything about Java, so I have no idea which of these is the equivalent.
[21:04] <littlegirl> Riddell: Can I take it from the lack of complaints that nobody is unhappy with what I've been doing to the documentation? (:
[21:04] <Riddell> littlegirl: you can safely assume we are all thrilled
[21:04] <littlegirl> LOL
[21:05] <debfx> littlegirl: icedtea-6-plugin is the openjdk browser plugin
[21:06] <littlegirl> debfx: Thanks! I'm not 100% certain I should put that there. Can you take a look at the web.xml document?
[21:07] <littlegirl> It's line 485 here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/quantal/view/head:/docs/web/C/web.xml
[21:07] <Riddell> mm yes icedtea-6-plugin does the job
[21:08] <littlegirl> Oh, while I've got your ear, Riddell, the copyright date on the legal notice is 2011. Should I change it to 2012 or add 2012 to it?
[21:08] <Riddell> I'm still proud of this first year programming exercise of mine http://jriddell.org/programmes/java/Mandelbrot.html :)
[21:08] <littlegirl> Okay, good, then that's what I'll put there. (:
[21:08] <Riddell> littlegirl: add 2012 to it
[21:09] <Riddell> assuming you'll be keeping at least some of what's already there
[21:09] <littlegirl> Heh, I can't look at it because it requires a plug-in I don't have. (:
[21:09] <debfx> oh dear, that page is completely outdated
[21:09] <littlegirl> Yep, I'll be keeping quite a bit. (:
[21:09] <littlegirl> debfx: Not to worry - it's being updated. (:
[21:10] <littlegirl> By the way, I'm going to need help from at least one other person when it comes to checking the accuracy of all the documents, because I don't have Windows networked to this computer, don't have wireless internet, etc., so some things will be impossible for me to verify.
[21:11] <debfx> so firefox automatically detects which package you need to install
[21:11] <littlegirl> I'd even be happy to make it easy for anyone to help with the verification in that all they need to do is make some notes about what's not correct and what it should say, and I'll do the writing.
[21:12]  * littlegirl does not use Java.
[21:12] <debfx> for rekonq icedtea-6-plugin would be the right packages though I'm not sure if anyone has even tested if it works in rekonq
[21:12] <Riddell> I just did, works nicely
[21:12] <littlegirl> Good to know. (:
[21:13] <debfx> java works nicely in a browser? that's news to me ;)
[21:14] <littlegirl> Riddell, on the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-docs page there's a "Document Kubuntu Active " work item. What does that mean? Do you want a new document added to the Kubuntu system documentation with the ones that are there or a new, separate document? Also, is this something that someone without a tablet can do? And if not, will Canonical buy me a tablet, which I would take very good care of? (: (: (:
[21:16] <littlegirl> Is IcedTea6 an application or an environment?
[21:17] <Riddell> littlegirl: I haven't thought about it, I think just a part of the same documentation is fine but you're the top docs writer at the moment so you might know best
[21:17] <Riddell> littlegirl: but kubuntu active hasn't yet been updated, it's waiting on Plasma active 3
[21:17] <Riddell> so I don't know if it's worth starting to write until that appears
[21:18] <Riddell> littlegirl: canonical won't but kubuntu might, although it'll take working out what a good tablet would be first
[21:18] <littlegirl> Riddell: Okay, so I guess we'll wait on that, then. Will it be possible for me to try it out and write it up without having a tablet? Oh, and my son wants to know which tablet(s) it works on, because he's thinking of buying one. (:
[21:19] <littlegirl> Riddell: I was kidding, but it would be all kinds of cool. (:
[21:19] <Riddell> littlegirl: yes it works fine on a laptop/desktop it just doesn't have the touch goodness
[21:19] <Riddell> but I don't know what it works on, I have no experience with tablets
[21:19] <littlegirl> Riddell: Ah, okay, then I'll grab it and throw it into my VirtualBox to check it out. Is it currently available?
[21:20] <Riddell> darkwing and rbelem have more experience but I guess they're both offline for a bit
[21:20] <littlegirl> Hopefully there's a team of people working on it so we can find out. (:
[21:20] <Riddell> littlegirl: there's a 12.04 release of Kubuntu Active yes
[21:20] <Riddell> the 12.10 images are complete untested (but it would be interesting to test them)
[21:21] <littlegirl> Downloading as we speak... (:
[21:22] <littlegirl> I'm grabbing the 12.04 ones. How do I get the 12.10 ones?
[21:22] <Riddell> littlegirl: you might be overestimating how kubuntu works, a team of people for Kubuntu Active is optimistic!
[21:22] <littlegirl> Riddell: Then we must gather one! (:
[21:22] <Riddell> littlegirl: daily images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/20120608/  which are completely untested as I say
[21:22] <littlegirl> How small is it?
[21:23] <Riddell> littlegirl: Kubuntu Active?  it's mostly just rbelem who does it, but he's busy with real life just now
[21:23] <littlegirl> I'm grabbing that one instead. May as well live dangerously. (:
[21:24] <Riddell> I like your spirit :)
[21:24] <littlegirl> Heh, I learned how to wrestle with software with my first copy of Kubuntu because I got a non-LTS when it first came out, and since that was doable, it's all just an adventure. (:
[21:25] <littlegirl> How is your eye, by the way?
[21:25] <Riddell> gets slowly better thanks, I still need to use a patch for close stuff like using a computer
[21:25] <littlegirl> I'm glad to hear it's getting better. (:
[21:26] <littlegirl> I think they've got my download capped. (:
[21:26] <Riddell> oh? slowed down?
[21:26] <Riddell> another way is to use an ec2 machine and vnc into it, works well enough for testing
[21:26] <littlegirl> Yeah, I'm only at 17%. (:
[21:27] <littlegirl> Hey, did you check out the script I added to the scripts directory of the Kubuntu system documentation?
[21:27] <Riddell> scripts/display-unused-global-entities.sh ?
[21:27] <littlegirl> Yep. I wanted to write something from scratch rather than editing other people's work. (:
[21:28] <littlegirl> It works like a charm. I ran it through some hard-core tests. (:
[21:28] <Riddell> yeah nice, prints out the languages which presumably aren't used anywhere
[21:28] <littlegirl> I meant to ask about that. Should I get rid of those, or are they there for a reason?
[21:29] <littlegirl> You can see that script really go to work if you run it on the Precise documents. (:
[21:29] <Riddell> hmm that I'm not sure
[21:29] <Riddell> they might be used for translations
[21:29] <Riddell> dunno
[21:30] <littlegirl> I'm figuring that if they're there as a reference, probably anyone who would want them for that is familiar with Bazaar and would know how to pull up an old copy of the global.ent file to see them, but I don't know anything about .pot files, and in the event that the translators need them, I figured I'd leave them until I find out for sure. (:
[21:31] <littlegirl> 45% and counting... Have you tried Kubuntu Active?
[21:31] <Riddell> yep, it's full of slidey swipey things
[21:33] <littlegirl> That's really cool, but I hope they keep it separate and still leave the desktop as it is for us old-fashioned users. (:
[21:33] <Riddell> yeah they won't merge, this isn't unity
[21:33] <Riddell> they share 98% of code though so it's nicely implemented
[21:34] <littlegirl> That's so good to know! Ubuntu is losing my son because he uses Ubuntu and refuses to use Unity, so he's looking around for a change. I'm working on convincing him to use Kubuntu because I've used it for years and love it. (:
[21:35] <Riddell> get him into kubuntu, get him into this channel and we'll make a contributor of him :)
[21:36] <Daskreech> littlegirl: Embrace the K
[21:37] <littlegirl> LOL, I'm doing my best! It helps that I like to toy around with different distributions just to keep my eye on the competition, and I've found nothing as good out there, so I know he won't. (:
[21:37] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is a family activity L(
[21:38] <BluesKaj> err :)
[21:38] <littlegirl> Heh, I'm starting to feel like the documents are my children. (:
[21:38] <BluesKaj> dark in here
[21:38] <micahg> in this case, it's good to be blue :)
[21:39] <BluesKaj> micahg absolutely
[21:39] <littlegirl> Download complete!
[21:52] <littlegirl> Interesting and different. (:
[21:54] <darkwing> Riddell: What am I doing?
[21:55] <Riddell> ooh hi darkwing 
[21:56] <Riddell> darkwing: what happened to the tablet you were going to get your hands on?
[21:56] <darkwing> I have it... homeless at the moment.
[21:56] <darkwing> Well, quasi homeless.
[21:56] <Riddell> the tablet is?
[21:56] <Riddell> or you?
[21:56] <Darkwing> No, I am.
[21:57] <Riddell> that sounds cumbersome to life
[21:57] <Darkwing> I'm bouncing between mates places till I get to Indiana.
[21:57] <Darkwing> Ehh, not to much to life but, to development it is.
[21:58] <Darkwing> I have my flight for august 3.
[21:58] <Darkwing> But, till then, I'm kinda floating.
[21:58] <Darkwing> Had a mate who is letting me use his server for Quasselcore
[21:58] <littlegirl> Hey there, Darkwing. (:
[21:58] <Darkwing> hey littlegirl
[21:59] <littlegirl> I can see that Kubuntu Active will be fun to play with once we get some tablets. (:
[21:59] <Riddell> a Quasselcore isn't really as good as a home
[21:59] <Riddell> Darkwing: it's a zareason tablet you got?
[21:59] <Darkwing> Yes it is.
[22:00] <Darkwing> No, but with quasselcore I can get in contact with people from my mobile.
[22:00] <Darkwing> and yes, the zatablet is what me and rbelem got.
[22:01] <Darkwing> And when I have some decent internet I'll get that flowing again.
[22:01] <littlegirl> That Kubuntu Active ran smoothly just now - no hiccups. (:
[22:01] <Riddell> littlegirl: ooh thanks for testing that
[22:01] <littlegirl> Riddell: Any time. It was in VirtualBox with 1 GB of RAM and it didn't mind that. I didn't experience any bugs, which is amazing, considering it's not a finished release. (:
[22:02] <Darkwing> littlegirl: I have not ignored your email either... When i get on a laptop I'll shoot a reply. :D
[22:03] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Not a problem. I'm just working my way through the documentation so that hopefully by the time you get back a good chunk of it will be in passable condition. (:
[22:04] <Darkwing> Yay!
[22:04] <littlegirl> LOL
[22:04] <littlegirl> You're entirely to blame for this, Darkwing. It's because of you that I learned Bazaar and DocBook. (:
[22:05] <littlegirl> Both of which I love, by the way. (:
[22:05] <Darkwing> littlegirl: Good! because I'm going to prolly switch gears a bit in Kubuntu land in a bit and let you take lead in docs :D
[22:06] <littlegirl> Darkwing: I'm not ready to do that yet, so keep as much of your hand in them as possible. (:
[22:07] <Darkwing> I'll be around and trust me... You are lightyears further than I was when it was turned over to me by nixternal
[22:07] <Darkwing> and I'm not going anywhere...
[22:07] <Darkwing> Well, I'm not vanishing on a perm basis
[22:07] <littlegirl> There's a lot I don't know. Like, for instance, how to view docs inside the KHelpCenter instead of in Yelp, which is what I'm using. And that's just for starters. (:
[22:08] <Darkwing> :)
[22:08]  * Darkwing wants to stab KHelpCenter
[22:08] <littlegirl> LOL
[22:09] <littlegirl> I read the manual and took all the examples they gave and tried to apply them, but nothing worked. (:
[22:09] <littlegirl> Do you view them in Yelp, too?
[22:10] <Darkwing> Nope....
[22:10] <Darkwing> I validate the XML and I read straight from code.
[22:11] <littlegirl> Oh! You don't even view them afterward to see how it all went together>
[22:11]  * littlegirl misplaced her question mark
[22:12] <Darkwing> :D That is what the validation does.
[22:13] <Darkwing> Anywho... I have to duck out for a bit... I'll be back.
[22:13] <littlegirl> Okay, good to see you. (:
[22:14] <Darkwing> Good to see you too :D
[22:14] <Darkwing> cheers!