[10:55] morning gmb [11:15] Morning bac [11:17] hey gmb, you are doing all of your work within vmware, correct? precise host? [11:17] Yep [11:17] and there are no longer any problems with lxc? i seem to recall in the early days post-budapest that lxc was unhappy in vmware. [11:18] Yeah, it had its moments. At the moment though it's solid as a rock. [11:19] oh, excellent. i'm trying to winnow down my number of machines. perhaps a new, fast mpb-retina with vmware could replace two older machines [11:20] * bac is good at rationalizing new purchases [11:20] :) [12:08] bac benji gmb call in 2 in our reserved hangout [12:08] k [12:43] * gmb -> lunch [13:01] bac, I need to go take care of some cats for some neighbors for 10 or 15 minutes and then will be back and ready to pair [13:02] ugh, cats [13:02] :-) [13:16] I couldn't remember if we have a short URL for the hangout so I made this one: http://tinyurl.com/yellow-hangout [13:25] benji, yeah, I sent an email out to everyone last week. tinyurl.com/yellowsquad works [13:25] bac I'm in yellowsquad and ready whenever you are [14:57] bac, you dropped out [14:57] ok [15:03] gmb you around? If so, could you join us briefly in http://tinyurl.com/yellowsquad please? [15:04] Sure. Bear with me a sec... [15:30] benji, hey. We just ran into the fact that inithost should install apache2 and apache2.2-common [15:30] are you fixing that? [15:30] in which case we'll just leave it? [15:30] gary_poster: yep, as we speak [15:30] cool, we'll leave it alone then thanks benji [15:31] if this tests run is successful I will be merging soon [15:32] excellent [16:15] Tarmac! I love you. (Even though you point out that I'm a dufus and forgot to run pocketlint.) [16:16] benji, btw, lpsetup has some instances of running ssh non-interactively. If you haven't investigated them already, they might be worth a look for the future. [16:17] gary_poster: right, but it gets to pass command-line arguments; juju doesn't have such a channel (or I'm misunderstanding you) [16:18] benji, really? I know ssh -A works. It's not a generic pass-through? [16:18] that's a shame [16:19] gary_poster: I'm doing "juju ssh 1 ..." which (as far as I know) doesn't allow you to pass -o options through to ssh [16:23] benji, this does not complain: [16:23] juju ssh -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking=no' 2 [16:23] not clear that it does what I expect yet though [16:24] benji confirmed that this does what I expect: [16:24] juju ssh -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking=no' -o 'UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null' 2 [16:25] gary_poster: interesting; that sounds like the ticket [17:40] gary_poster: I added the juju ssh note to the tarmac card [17:41] gary_poster: after I prepare I need to... talk to bac? [17:41] * bac is writing merge proposal. will be done soon [17:43] benji, bac, I took late lunch and not finished but can come back to talk a bit with you two...and then maybe go back to relaxing just a bit more [17:46] gary_poster: that would be fine or I can work on getting the integration test more tarmac-compatible (or something else) [17:46] benji, if you are waiting, why don't you look into that; then, when bac is ready, let's all hang out and figure out what to do [17:46] +1 [17:47] * bac is getting close [17:59] benji: want to do a review? https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/lpsetup/mv-initialize-lxc/+merge/114239 [17:59] bac: sure [18:12] benji: just saw the conflict and have pushed a fix. (it was only a blank line) [18:12] bac: ok, cool [18:21] bac: how does one install the pep8 linter? [18:22] benji: pep8 package. just pep8, not python-pep8 like you'd think [18:22] that's where I went wrong [18:22] benji: yep, me too [18:22] I'll add a note to the README next to where it says how to get pocketlint. [18:23] good idea [18:29] benji, btw, I had an interesting viewpoint clash between your interest in ROWE and the subtitle of the Poppendieck's most recent book (http://www.amazon.com/Leading-Lean-Software-Development-ebook/dp/B002Y1U7VU/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2): Leading Lean Software Development: Results Are not the Point [18:30] heh, that's funny [18:47] bac: sorry, I had a junk yard call me about my car, here are a couple small things I found: https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/lpsetup/mv-initialize-lxc/+merge/114239 [18:49] thanks benji. [19:14] benji: would you vote on that MP please? [19:15] bac: done [19:15] thx [19:36] weird. if i use the 'ignore-files' option for nosetests it does the right thing then complains about the version of distribute i have installed. seems orthogonal on the face. [19:36] by 'complains' i mean failes pre-commit.sh [19:40] means nothing to me :-/ [19:41] as a work-around i renamed the files to disabled_ *and* set the execute bit [19:41] :-/ [19:41] oh well, hopefully we will fix it soon [19:43] gary_poster: you free to chat soon? [19:43] bac, actually, I will be free to chat only until 4. My call with Francis is today [19:44] well that might be enough [19:44] i have some quick questions [19:44] quick, to the bat channel [19:44] :-) k [19:50] yay! I got a totally prompt-less integration test run working. [19:50] It did require .ssh/config hacking, but it's not too bad [19:51] * benji realizes that there is no (exact fit) card for this, and there wouldn't be room for it in the active lane if there were. [20:00] benji, great. There's room now [20:01] make a card :-) [20:08] gary_poster: I may have to take Wednesday off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVEPvXBEOSE [20:09] bac or gary_poster: new MP for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/lpsetup/more-tarmac-friendly/+merge/114263 [20:09] benji on call [20:10] k [20:36] bac: is there anything I can do pair-wise with you? [20:39] bac is off till tomorrow benji [20:39] gary_poster: ah; are you done with your call? [20:39] benji, no :-P [20:39] k [21:03] benji, just got off call :-P [21:04] I assume you need to go? [21:04] I do :-) [21:04] gary_poster: oddly enough, I don't today, but I'll let you go anyway [21:06] benji :-) ok. youtube is hilarious [21:06] it is, isn't it