[10:55] <bac> morning gmb
[11:15] <gmb> Morning bac
[11:17] <bac> hey gmb, you are doing all of your work within vmware, correct?  precise host?
[11:17] <gmb> Yep
[11:17] <bac> and there are no longer any problems with lxc?  i seem to recall in the early days post-budapest that lxc was unhappy in vmware.
[11:18] <gmb> Yeah, it had its moments. At the moment though it's solid as a rock.
[11:19] <bac> oh, excellent.  i'm trying to winnow down my number of machines.  perhaps a new, fast mpb-retina with vmware could replace two older machines
[11:20]  * bac is good at rationalizing new purchases
[11:20] <gmb> :)
[12:08] <gary_poster> bac benji gmb call in 2 in our reserved hangout
[12:08] <gmb> k
[12:43]  * gmb -> lunch
[13:01] <gary_poster> bac, I need to go take care of some cats for some neighbors for 10 or 15 minutes and then will be back and ready to pair
[13:02] <bac> ugh, cats
[13:02] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:16] <benji> I couldn't remember if we have a short URL for the hangout so I made this one: http://tinyurl.com/yellow-hangout
[13:25] <gary_poster> benji, yeah, I sent an email out to everyone last week.  tinyurl.com/yellowsquad works
[13:25] <gary_poster> bac I'm in yellowsquad and ready whenever you are
[14:57] <gary_poster> bac, you dropped out
[14:57] <bac> ok
[15:03] <gary_poster> gmb you around?  If so, could you join us briefly in http://tinyurl.com/yellowsquad please?
[15:04] <gmb> Sure. Bear with me a sec...
[15:30] <gary_poster> benji, hey.  We just ran into the fact that inithost should install apache2 and apache2.2-common
[15:30] <gary_poster> are you fixing that?
[15:30] <gary_poster> in which case we'll just leave it?
[15:30] <benji> gary_poster: yep, as we speak
[15:30] <gary_poster> cool, we'll leave it alone then thanks benji
[15:31] <benji> if this tests run is successful I will be merging soon
[15:32] <gary_poster> excellent
[16:15] <benji> Tarmac!  I love you.  (Even though you point out that I'm a dufus and forgot to run pocketlint.)
[16:16] <gary_poster> benji, btw, lpsetup has some instances of running ssh non-interactively.  If you haven't investigated them already, they might be worth a look for the future.
[16:17] <benji> gary_poster: right, but it gets to pass command-line arguments; juju doesn't have such a channel (or I'm misunderstanding you)
[16:18] <gary_poster> benji, really?  I know ssh -A works.  It's not a generic pass-through?
[16:18] <gary_poster> that's a shame
[16:19] <benji> gary_poster: I'm doing "juju ssh 1 ..." which (as far as I know) doesn't allow you to pass -o options through to ssh
[16:23] <gary_poster> benji, this does not complain:
[16:23] <gary_poster> juju ssh -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking=no' 2
[16:23] <gary_poster> not clear that it does what I expect yet though
[16:24] <gary_poster> benji confirmed that this does what I expect:
[16:24] <gary_poster> juju ssh -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking=no' -o 'UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null' 2
[16:25] <benji> gary_poster: interesting; that sounds like the ticket
[17:40] <benji> gary_poster: I added the juju ssh note to the tarmac card
[17:41] <benji> gary_poster: after I prepare I need to... talk to bac?
[17:41]  * bac is writing merge proposal.  will be done soon
[17:43] <gary_poster> benji, bac, I took late lunch and not finished but can come back to talk a bit with you two...and then maybe go back to relaxing just a bit more
[17:46] <benji> gary_poster: that would be fine or I can work on getting the integration test more tarmac-compatible (or something else)
[17:46] <gary_poster> benji, if you are waiting, why don't you look into that; then, when bac is ready, let's all hang out and figure out what to do
[17:46] <benji> +1
[17:47]  * bac is getting close
[17:59] <bac> benji: want to do a review?  https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/lpsetup/mv-initialize-lxc/+merge/114239
[17:59] <benji> bac: sure
[18:12] <bac> benji: just saw the conflict and have pushed a fix.  (it was only a blank line)
[18:12] <benji> bac: ok, cool
[18:21] <benji> bac: how does one install the pep8 linter?
[18:22] <bac> benji: pep8 package.  just pep8, not python-pep8 like you'd think
[18:22] <benji> that's where I went wrong
[18:22] <bac> benji: yep, me too
[18:22] <benji> I'll add a note to the README next to where it says how to get pocketlint.
[18:23] <bac> good idea
[18:29] <gary_poster> benji, btw, I had an interesting viewpoint clash between your interest in ROWE and the subtitle of the Poppendieck's most recent book (http://www.amazon.com/Leading-Lean-Software-Development-ebook/dp/B002Y1U7VU/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2): Leading Lean Software Development: Results Are not the Point
[18:30] <benji> heh, that's funny
[18:47] <benji> bac: sorry, I had a junk yard call me about my car, here are a couple small things I found: https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/lpsetup/mv-initialize-lxc/+merge/114239
[18:49] <bac> thanks benji.
[19:14] <bac> benji: would you vote on that MP please?
[19:15] <benji> bac: done
[19:15] <bac> thx
[19:36] <bac> weird.  if i use the 'ignore-files' option for nosetests it does the right thing then complains about the version of distribute i have installed.  seems orthogonal on the face.
[19:36] <bac> by 'complains' i mean failes pre-commit.sh
[19:40] <gary_poster> means nothing to me :-/
[19:41] <bac> as a work-around i renamed the files to disabled_ *and* set the execute bit
[19:41] <gary_poster> :-/
[19:41] <gary_poster> oh well, hopefully we will fix it soon
[19:43] <bac> gary_poster: you free to chat soon?
[19:43] <gary_poster> bac, actually, I will be free to chat only until 4.  My call with Francis is today
[19:44] <bac> well that might be enough
[19:44] <bac> i have some quick questions
[19:44] <bac> quick, to the bat channel
[19:44] <gary_poster> :-) k
[19:50] <benji> yay!  I got a totally prompt-less integration test run working.
[19:50] <benji> It did require .ssh/config hacking, but it's not too bad
[19:51]  * benji realizes that there is no (exact fit) card for this, and there wouldn't be room for it in the active lane if there were.
[20:00] <gary_poster> benji, great.  There's room now
[20:01] <gary_poster> make a card :-)
[20:08] <benji> gary_poster: I may have to take Wednesday off:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVEPvXBEOSE
[20:09] <benji> bac or gary_poster: new MP for review: https://code.launchpad.net/~benji/lpsetup/more-tarmac-friendly/+merge/114263
[20:09] <gary_poster> benji on call
[20:10] <benji> k
[20:36] <benji> bac: is there anything I can do pair-wise with you?
[20:39] <gary_poster> bac is off till tomorrow benji
[20:39] <benji> gary_poster: ah; are you done with your call?
[20:39] <gary_poster> benji, no :-P
[20:39] <benji> k
[21:03] <gary_poster> benji, just got off call :-P
[21:04] <gary_poster> I assume you need to go?
[21:04] <gary_poster> I do :-)
[21:04] <benji> gary_poster: oddly enough, I don't today, but I'll let you go anyway
[21:06] <gary_poster> benji :-) ok.  youtube is hilarious
[21:06] <benji> it is, isn't it