[00:05] <jokerdino> balloons: around?
[00:30] <mhall119> jono: getting the final list together
[00:32] <pleia2> bkerensa: hah, i spent the last few days on the east coast - HOT!
[00:32] <jono> thanks mhall119
[00:32] <pleia2> but about to take ofd for nice cool sf :)
[00:37] <jono> pleia2, it is nice this way :-)
[00:41] <jono> mhall119, heading to cook dinner, just leave the number in my email for the count
[00:41] <jono> thanks
[00:42] <mhall119> jono: sure thing
[00:44] <jokerdino> eh people, how does this QA site works?
[00:44] <jokerdino> i am not sure if I submited my result already or if it is failing on me.
[00:45] <jokerdino> oops, never mind. It looks fine from another list.
[03:23] <bkerensa> jono: any tips for speaking at OSCON? :P
[05:06] <IdleOne> bkerensa: Start off with a joke. My personal favourite is the one about the two muffins.
[05:06] <bkerensa> IdleOne: I do not know that joke... Is it like wat? :P
[05:07] <IdleOne> there were two muffins in an oven. First muffin says to the second muffin, Is it hot in here? The second muffin answers, Holy crap a talking muffin!
[05:08] <bkerensa> ah
[05:08] <bkerensa> :D
[05:08] <IdleOne> hehe
[05:43] <jono> bkerensa, just be confident, make sure your content is interesting, and don't try to sound too clever :-)
[06:43] <dpm> morning all
[06:44] <philipballew_> morning dpm
[06:46] <dpm> hi philipballew_
[06:53] <jokerdino> hi dpm philipballew_ and sense
[06:54] <sense> good morning, jokerdino
[06:54] <jokerdino> i invariably upgraded to QQ and now wondering whether it was a smart move after all =)
[06:56] <dholbach> good morning
[06:59] <dpm> hi jokerdino
[06:59] <dpm> hey dholbach
[07:00] <jokerdino> hey dholbach
[07:02] <dholbach> hey dpm, hi jokerdino
[07:02] <jokerdino> heya popey as wel
[07:02] <jokerdino> just upgraded to qq. so yeah
[07:04] <philipballew_> howdy jokerdino
[07:05] <philipballew_> its like everyone is waking up!
[07:05] <jokerdino> yes totally haha
[07:07] <philipballew_> here in ca everyone wants to sleep now. Odd since its the coolest part of the day.
[07:08] <jokerdino> it's like 3 pm here and i feel so sleepy
[07:36] <philipballew_> 12.pm here,
[07:50] <jokerdino> philipballew_: 12am you mean?
[07:57] <philipballew_> yes.
[07:57] <philipballew_> its like 1am here jokerdino :)
[07:58] <jokerdino> 4 pm here.
[07:58] <philipballew_> where you live again>
[08:47] <jokerdino> singapore.
[08:47] <jokerdino> oops. one hour late
[08:47] <jokerdino> philipballew_: --^
[08:54] <philipballew_> ive never been there jokerdino
[08:54] <jokerdino> i live here for some 4 years
[08:56] <philipballew_> nice, whered you move from?
[08:57] <jokerdino> India.
[09:32] <dholbach> jokerdino, and where in India do you live?
[09:32] <jokerdino> My family is based in Chennai
[09:33] <dholbach> ah nice :)
[09:33] <jokerdino> not sure if you have heard of that one. it is in the south :)
[09:34] <dholbach> yes, I've heard of it, but have never been to the South of India
[09:34] <dholbach> one day :)
[09:35] <jokerdino> haha. i hope you don't mind the city
[09:35] <dholbach> why?
[09:36] <jokerdino> i meant the city's weather. oops.
[09:36] <dholbach> ah ok :)
[09:36] <dholbach> I already thought: that's a bit less local patriotism than I expected :-P
[09:37] <jokerdino> haha; sometimes it doesn't hurt to be truthful :-p
[09:38] <dholbach> a friend of mine is going to South of India in a few weeks (although I'm not quite sure yet where he'll go) - so I'm full of envy :)
[09:38] <jokerdino> heh
[09:39] <jokerdino> maybe he can tell me what he liked about the place
[09:39] <dholbach> as I said, I'm not even sure he'll go to Chennai - but I'll let you know in case he does ;-)
[09:40] <jokerdino> thanks ;)
[11:55] <daker_> Take it or leave it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWxD5E-zzIU
[13:18] <jokerdino> balloons: on today?
[13:22] <dpm> hi mhall119, good morning, if you're online already, would you mind posting this to the ubuntuappshowdown subreddit? https://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/heads-up-to-all-ubuntu-app-showdown-participants/
[13:22] <dpm> thanks
[13:32] <mhall119> dpm: was Klout submitted in time?
[13:33] <mhall119> http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappshowdown/comments/wbrgc/heads_up_to_all_ubuntu_app_showdown_participants/
[13:35] <dpm> mhall119, thanks! Klout was a few hours late, but I thought we could be flexible considering they've put 3 weeks of work on it. But I simply added anything I saw this morning on my app-review-board folder, not adding anything else after that
[13:35] <dpm> mhall119, how's the PPA packages installation script coming along, can we give it to judges already?
[13:37] <mhall119> dpm: I have individual install snippets for each app we have a package for
[13:37] <mhall119> but dholbach has been working in branches to fix some for the ARB
[13:37] <mhall119> so I don't know which the judges should be using
[13:37] <dpm> mhall119, hm, we already have that. I was thinking of a script that you can run once and installs all apps
[13:39] <dpm> mhall119, could you create such a script?
[13:39] <mhall119> yeah, should only take a few minutes
[13:40] <dpm> mhall119, cool. The survey for voting is ready to hand over to judges. If you could finish your script in the next few hours, then we can sync up with the judges and start the voting.
[13:57] <s-fox> dpm,  nice blog post. really helpful and informative. thank you
[13:58] <dpm> s-fox, glad you found it useful, thanks :)
[13:58] <jcastro> wow that trello board is epic
[13:58] <s-fox> 150 applicants, that is a great turnout
[13:58] <jcastro> hahah
[13:58] <jcastro> man, 150
[13:58] <jcastro> that is so huge
[13:58] <s-fox> i wonder how many people this is their first stab at development on ubuntu
[13:58] <jcastro> yeah maybe at the end there should be a survey to find out all that kind of stuff
[13:59] <s-fox> or even with python etc
[13:59] <jokerdino> 150?
[13:59] <jokerdino> surely that is not a typo?
[13:59] <dpm> jcastro, yes, I think we'll do that
[14:00] <dpm> jokerdino, nope, not a typo, we've got a spreadsheet with 148 submissions, of which about 135 are valid
[14:00] <jokerdino> good luck judges >_>
[14:01] <dpm> don't take the numbers as set in stone, though
[14:01] <jokerdino> are there any packages for QQ?
[14:01] <dpm> what's qq?
[14:01] <s-fox> how long do you expect it to be until all have been reviewed and voted on?
[14:01] <mhall119> s-fox: many of them mentioned being new to Ubuntu development
[14:01] <mhall119> (or development at all, for that matter)
[14:01] <jokerdino> dpm: Quantal. :/
[14:01] <s-fox> mhall119,  excellent
[14:01] <dpm> jokerdino, all entries had to be for 12.04
[14:01] <s-fox> fresh faces, new ideas. can't be a bad thing
[14:02] <mhall119> s-fox: nope, got some really cool apps made too
[14:02] <jokerdino> dpm: i know. i was just checking if there are any nice developers planning ahead.. :)
[14:02] <dpm> s-fox, the initial idea was to have a winner by the end of the week. Despite the exceeded expectations on number of submissions, I think we can still make it by the end of the week
[14:02] <s-fox> cool, that is great :)
[14:22]  * dpm takes a break
[14:46] <jcastro> dholbach: we're on IRC in 15 right?
[14:47] <dholbach> jcastro, not sure, but that's what's in the calendar
[14:49] <jcastro> jono: are we meeting in ~10?
[14:51] <jono> jcastro, we are doing an app dev catch-up then
[14:51] <jono> we will be back to normal meetings next week
[14:51] <jcastro> okey
[14:51] <jcastro> \m/ no IRC status.
[14:51] <jono> dholbach, dpm, mhall119 lets hop on G+ in 9m
[14:51]  * jcastro goes off to party/work.
[14:51] <jono> lol
[14:54] <dpm> :)
[14:56] <dpm> Pictag is a quite a neat little app too, I wished Shotwell did that http://toabctl.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/pictag-released
[14:57] <dholbach> dpm, it has +3 :)
[14:57] <dpm> \o/
[14:57] <s-fox> Nice application, sort of reminds me of iphoto :)
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, dpm, mhall119 all set?
[15:01] <dholbach> yep
[15:01] <mhall119> yup
[15:01] <dpm> yep!
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, dpm, mhall119 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/c08dbee1d813b5a2ea3862fa839ca0925f71c6c2?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[16:01] <s-fox> back later
[16:06] <jcastro> jono: wow that was fast, I'm back up.
[16:06] <jono> jcastro, cool :-)
[16:06] <jcastro> "tell them it takes 3 hours, that way when you do it in 10 minutes you look awesome."
[16:09] <jcastro> dpm: I have an open bounty if there's another question you want
[16:10] <dpm> thanks a lot jcastro, I think it's fine for now, I think most of the questions have got an answer now, I think now the tricky part is either get the poster to accept the answer or get more upvotes. But if I spot a good one that could need an answer, I'll definitely come to you
[16:11] <dpm> and I've started building up rep, so I should start giving out some bounties too!
[16:11] <jcastro> yeah so I think at some point we need to go through the tag and vote/edit the ones we think we will be useful for future generations
[16:11] <jcastro> 3 or 4 people voting in the tag should be enough to separate the wheat from the chaff
[16:12] <jcastro> 290 questions on app-dev this month if you're looking for a metric
[16:12] <jcastro> ^^^
[16:22] <dpm> cool, yeah, I want to do a 'metrics' blog post at the end of the contest, this is really useful too (290, wow!)
[16:22] <dpm> there are also 4 or 5 that need a few votes for closing too
[16:55] <dpm> see you all tomorrow!
[17:13] <IdleOne> jcastro: you're the resident metal fanatic right?
[17:14] <IdleOne> you probably seen this already but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzk_K2yXeWo&feature=related Enjoy.
[17:20] <IdleOne> actually really like this version
[17:24] <balloons> wow.. all voice with drums
[17:59] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[18:31] <jono> mhall119, can you send me the PPA script?
[18:35] <mhall119> jono: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/appshowdowninstall.sh
[18:35] <jono> thanks mhall119
[18:35] <mhall119> jono: note that the script installs the submitted package, not anything we've been changing to ready them for the ARB
[18:35] <jono> mhall119, fine with me, so long as it runs
[18:36] <mhall119> let me know if it has problems, I haven't tried it yet
[18:36] <jono> mhall119, cool, spinning up a VM now
[19:19] <jcastro> bkerensa: there's an entire thread on hp cloud account stuff, can you check your ubuntu account?
[19:19] <jcastro> bkrensa@
[19:21] <bkerensa> jcastro: yeah looking through the thread... I see I mentioned it was not enabled but I dont see any response
[19:21] <bkerensa> let me grab the mailing list archive
[19:24] <jcastro> well, either way whichever account you gave me is enabled
[19:24] <jcastro> you should see the counter for price go up and then an adjustment
[19:24] <jcastro> imbrandon: right? Is this what happened to you?
[19:24]  * jcastro checks his
[19:26] <bkerensa> jcastro: hmm ok well I have a invoice and HP Support says I definitely do not have free services =/
[19:26] <jcastro> on the account you gave me?
[19:26] <jcastro> then email me all your info
[19:26] <jcastro> I'll get on it asap
[19:26] <jcastro> hey so like they also only turned it on last week or so
[19:26] <jcastro> so this isn't for any usage prior to that is it?
[19:27] <balloons> jcastro, I was wondering as well..I got an email today from my account rep talking about the freemium services I could signup for
[19:29] <bkerensa> ideally the HP Sales person said if an account has free service that on their billing end they would just see a flag that nulls the invoices
[19:32] <imbrandon> jcastro: reading backscroll
[19:32] <jono> mhall119, script works
[19:32] <jono> installing now
[19:32] <jono> although I have to press Enter for each PPA
[19:33] <imbrandon> jcastro: yea, i had $67 charge then it said right below -$67 adjustment
[19:35] <jono> mhall119, is there a way to do this without having to press enter? maybe just provide a list of PPAs that people can cut and paste into their sources.liust?
[19:37] <mhall119> jono: I can put a -y flag on, that looks like it would stop it from prompting
[19:38] <jono> ok cool, mhall119 :-)
[19:39] <doctormon> hello jono
[19:40] <mhall119> jono: done, download the latest version of the script
[19:41] <jono> thanks mhall119, I just hacked it here
[19:41] <jono> testing now
[19:41] <jono> hey doctormon
[19:41] <jono> mhall119, adding the -y seems to work
[19:41] <jono> much nicer :-)
[19:43] <doctormon> Congrats on the running of the opt app competition, looks like a nice response.
[19:48] <jono> mhall119, looks like there was an issue with https://launchpad.net/~michaeleekk/+archive/ppa
[19:48] <jono> doctormon, thanks!
[19:48] <jono> yeah we have been delighted with the response :-)
[19:48] <doctormon> jono: No expenses app though.
[19:48] <jono> doctormon, :-)
[19:49] <bkerensa> jono: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1085056/
[19:49] <bkerensa> damn unity crashed
[19:49] <jono> bkerensa, eh?
[19:49] <bkerensa> jono: its with -y flags for repository and install
[19:49] <jono> bkerensa, yeah, I know, I have it working here
[19:49] <jono> thanks though, bkerensa
[19:50] <bkerensa> oh
[19:50] <jcastro> bkerensa: ok following up, gimme a day or so turn around with them, etc.
[19:50] <bkerensa> jcastro: no worries :) I just wanna get work done for mhall119 on SUMO before end of cycle :)
[19:51] <jcastro> I want to say "go ahead and go and we'll sort it" but that would be unwise
[19:51] <jcastro> I do have a $20 aws credit I got from amazon I can send you if you wanna rock that though
[19:53] <jono> mhall119, the package installation line doesnt work
[19:53] <jono> mhall119, lots of Unable to locate package errors
[19:53] <jono> and some version errors
[19:54] <jono> mhall119, can you take a look at the script and test it on your system to ensure it works?
[19:59] <mhall119> jono: does it give you an error?
[20:00] <mhall119> hmmm, I wonder if some packages aren't published in their PPA
[20:01] <mhall119> version errors mean they uploaded a new version after the deadline
[20:01] <mhall119> I think
[20:02] <mhall119> jono: maybe it would be better to put each package on it's own apt-get install line?
[20:35] <jono> mhall119, whatever you think is best
[20:35] <jono> can you look into getting this completed today so we can go live with it tomorrow?
[20:43] <mhall119> jono: yeah, downloading an ISO so I can create a VM
[20:43] <jono> thanks mhall119
[21:19] <s-fox> ping mhall119  :)
[21:22] <mhall119> s-fox: pong
[21:22] <mhall119> congrats, by the way
[21:22] <doctormon> mhall119: He won?
[21:22] <mhall119> no
[21:22] <mhall119> but his app passed review
[21:23] <mhall119> in the ARB queue
[21:23] <mhall119> so it's half way to being in the software center
[21:23] <s-fox> mhall119:  i have sketchy connection.  i got an email that looks like i need to do something to my app
[21:23] <mhall119> s-fox: yeah, see my revisions here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-app-reviews/myshortcuts/
[21:23] <s-fox> looks like you made a branch and did a couple fixes
[21:23] <mhall119> s-fox: you should apply the same changes to your branch
[21:24] <s-fox> that could be done with a merge proposal right?
[21:25] <mhall119> depends
[21:25] <mhall119> daniel's apps-brancher would try and get the code a few different ways, and stuff it into a bzr branch
[21:25] <mhall119> so if it got yours from your PPA, then my branch won't share a version history with yours
[21:26] <mhall119> but you can just copy/paste the files into your branch
[21:26] <mhall119> gah I'm spoiled
[21:26] <mhall119> installing Ubuntu in a VM to test these submission apps
[21:26] <mhall119> and I caught myself things "I can't believe it takes nearly 10 minutes to install this"
[21:28] <doctormon> mhall119: Ah so not he won, but we won ;-)
[21:29] <mhall119> doctormon: indeed
[21:29] <s-fox> was it only the file in the po directory you changed?
[21:29] <doctormon> s-fox: Have you ever used meld?
[21:29] <s-fox> no
[21:30] <doctormon> s-fox: useful graphical diffing tool. can work over entire dir
[21:33] <s-fox> looks like all the changes were to that single file: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-app-reviews/myshortcuts/revision/2
[21:34] <jono> bkerensa, hey
[21:34] <jono> you there?
[21:35] <s-fox> oh, maybe not...
[21:35] <s-fox> this is impossible
[21:40] <jono> jcastro, hey
[21:40] <jcastro> yo
[21:40] <jono> jcastro, you are in Portland Mon/Tues, right?
[21:40] <jcastro> yeah, I get in sunday night
[21:41] <jcastro> should be in ~9pm on sunday night
[21:41] <jono> jcastro, ok, I want to put a sync up in the calendar
[21:41] <jcastro> similar to robbie
[21:41] <jono> when are you free?
[21:41] <jcastro> let me check the schedule
[21:41] <jono> ok
[21:43] <jcastro> jono: ok, anytime monday is fine
[21:43] <jcastro> our thing is tuesday @ 1:30 to EOD
[21:43] <jcastro> so other than those ~4 hours I can go whenevs
[21:43] <jono> jcastro, ok, let me check
[21:44] <greg-g> jcastro: how long are you in Portland? I want to put a sync up/drink up in the calendar with you :)
[21:44] <jcastro> greg-g: Mon/Tue/Wed
[21:44] <jono> jcastro, Monday at 2pm?
[21:44] <jcastro> that rocks
[21:44] <jcastro> greg-g: actually Mon/Tue
[21:44] <greg-g> eek, I get in around 4:30 Tuesday
[21:45] <jono> jcastro, cool, invite sent
[21:45] <jcastro> My year has been mega travel, I can't spare an entire week every conference
[21:45] <jono> greg-g, cool, you are going to be there?
[21:45] <jcastro> jono: cool, I was assuming we'd be hanging out anyway
[21:45] <jcastro> it's like us, mims, jim baker is coming
[21:45] <jcastro> we'll have ninja kerensa
[21:45] <greg-g> jono: yep, speaking at OSCON, on Wed
[21:45] <jono> jcastro, yeah, just that shit gets real for me at CLS/OSCON so I wanted to get it in the calendar
[21:45] <jono> greg-g, sweet
[21:45] <jcastro> jono: /me nods
[21:45] <jono> greg-g, what topic?
[21:45] <jcastro> it's that important oreilly author vibe
[21:45] <jcastro> "OMG YOU WROTE THAT BOOK."
[21:46] <greg-g> Open Education track.. I'm talking on the work I'm doing at CC: LRMI
[21:46] <greg-g> http://www.oscon.com/oscon2012/public/schedule/speaker/139967
[21:46] <jcastro> I wonder if Bill and Kyle are coming, that would complete the bag of you-remember gang
[21:46] <greg-g> hah
[21:46] <jcastro> my tripit says Ilan is close too
[21:47] <jono> jcastro, haha, that would be fun
[21:47] <greg-g> jcastro: what time do you leave?
[21:47] <jcastro> greg-g: oh cool, you come in just in time for the puppet party that night
[21:47] <jcastro> I leave like 8am on wed
[21:47] <greg-g> ahh, well then, I shall see you tuesday night somewhere, puppet party?
[21:47] <greg-g> put me on the list or whatever ;)
[21:47] <jono> jcastro, there is no author vibe :-)
[21:48] <jcastro> jono: omfg, what animal did they put on the cover of _your book_
[21:48] <jcastro> heh
[21:48] <jcastro> "oh really? mine is a camel."
[21:49] <jcastro> I wonder if there's a rule for oreilly that the animal must be extant, I envision a juju book with like a velociraptor ....
[21:49]  * jcastro rubs chin
[21:49] <greg-g> O'Reilly authoers are a dime a dozen     ;)
[21:49] <greg-g> and apparently I'll never be one since I typo too much
[21:50] <jcastro> back in the day they were invaluable to me
[21:50] <jcastro> these days I am finding a hard time finding value in tech books though
[21:50] <jcastro> for me personally
[21:50] <jono> jcastro, haha
[21:51] <jono> I don't have the kudos to have an animal
[21:51] <jono> I find tech books handy for planes
[21:51] <jono> and I use planes as a means to learn new skills
[21:51] <jono> but rarely reference them when working
[21:52] <jcastro> "well, we find you don't deserve an animal, we can give you an inanimate object though"
[21:52] <jcastro> "well what do you have?" "a ball of rubber bands" "SOLD."
[21:52] <greg-g> how about... a ball of rubberbands?! That's like totally Americana, and you're newly American, so it works!"
[21:53] <jcastro> it would have been too obvious if it was a herd of cats
[21:53] <jono> haha
[21:53] <jono> the cover I asked for they told me was too expensive to produce
[21:54] <jono> I had this cool idea of a jigsaw puzzle of different faces
[21:54] <jono> a really diverse looking cover
[21:54] <jono> and I got a rubberband ball and a few other options
[21:54] <jono> the other options were not cool
[21:54] <greg-g> ...and the rubberband ball was?
[21:54] <greg-g> (kidding, I kind of like it)
[21:55] <jcastro> it makes sense for the book
[21:55] <mhall119> so it turns out adding over 100 ppa is sloooooow
[21:55] <jono> greg-g, lol
[21:55] <jono> I would have preferred to have another cover
[21:55] <jono> but hey, at least it is vaguely memorable :-)
[21:57] <s-fox> well that was fun lol
[21:58] <jono> mhall119, how is it coming along?
[21:59] <s-fox> mhall119,  i downloaded your branch, made the changes to my app, repackaged with quickly and then released back to the ppa. within launchpad i just did the mp and then accepted it.
[21:59] <s-fox> i *think* the only thing left to do is update the thing for the software centre now
[22:00] <czajkowski> mhall119: parts of LP were down earlier on
[22:03] <mhall119> s-fox: I sent my branch for voting on to get it into the software center
[22:03] <mhall119> czajkowski: I noticed :(
[22:03] <czajkowski> wasn;t down for long and the channel was updated with the notice
[22:04] <czajkowski> been off sick for last 2 days, but I suspect keeping an eye on the channel in case there are updates
[22:04] <s-fox> updated with new tar.gz file :)
[22:04] <s-fox> okay mhall119 , thank you :-)
[22:06] <s-fox> um i know it isn't need now but I am not so hot on launchpad. did i do the update rebuild thing correctly? https://launchpad.net/~silver-fox/+archive/myshortcuts
[22:07] <s-fox> latest version should be 12.07
[22:18] <jono> mhall119, how is the script coming along?
[22:21] <jcastro> jono: are you guys watching The Newsroom?
[22:22] <jcastro> it's by West wing-guy
[22:22] <jono> jcastro, not yet
[22:22] <jono> I heard it god pretty awful reviews
[22:22] <jcastro> people seem to be loving it
[22:22] <jcastro> I think it's good
[22:22] <jcastro> it's basically the same show though, heh, just with a news anchor instead of the president.
[22:23] <jcastro> but the cool thing is the show is set X months behind current events, so it's like a hypothetical thing on how they would have reported a recent event vs. news outlets
[22:23] <jcastro> it's kinda neat
[22:28] <mhall119> jono: it's running on my VM
[22:29] <mhall119> seems to be working now, with the newest version on people.u.c
[22:30] <mhall119> jono: it'll print a warning if it can't install one, but it'll move on to the next
[22:36] <jono> mhall119, and it pulls in the packages?
[22:37] <mhall119> jono: most of them
[22:37] <jono> mhall119, are you still fixing it?
[22:38] <mhall119> no, the ones it doesn't pull it probably don't have a binary package in the PPA
[22:38] <s-fox> goodbye.
[22:38] <mhall119> as far as I can tell, the script works now
[22:39] <mhall119> though dpkg is throwing erros on my VM
[22:39] <jono> mhall119, ok gotcha
[22:40] <jono> I am testing again now
[22:40] <mhall119> jono: I redirected most of the output to /dev/null, so don't be surprised if it's not printing anything
[22:41] <jono> mhall119, gotcha
[22:43] <mhall119> you know, I've been impressed with the quality of the icons people made for their apps too
[22:43] <mhall119> only a few seem to have used the stock circle-of-friends icon
[22:44] <mhall119> bah, dpkg isn't printing useful errors :(