| rick_h_ | gamerchick02: hmmm, so might have just enabled/helped some sort of game/spammy app. Doh | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_ | sorry, gamerchick02 wasn't meant for you personally | 00:00 |
| gamerchick02 | heh. that'sok | 00:02 |
| gamerchick02 | spammy app? | 00:02 |
| gamerchick02 | android? iOS? | 00:03 |
| rick_h_ | http://dealini.ch/ | 00:03 |
| rick_h_ | saw a post on hackernews, tracked me to my blog, watched my talk linked there, and then left me a comment on the blog to try to contact me http://paste.mitechie.com/show/e3vK9zYXcZ6F9QGzSas8/ | 00:04 |
| rick_h_ | I've been hunted down from hackernews to my email box | 00:04 |
| gamerchick02 | wow | 00:04 |
| gamerchick02 | you're famous! | 00:04 |
| rick_h_ | no, just made a comment on a hackernews post lol | 00:04 |
| gamerchick02 | ah | 00:09 |
| Blazeix | you can tell him, "sorry, i've seen the light and use php now!" | 00:11 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm off! and tired. i'll see everyone tomorrow after work and maybe i can try to figure out this kernel bug. hasn't happened today. strange | 00:19 |
| snap-l | http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/5a6Yic7VK4vHrg4QhH52/ | 01:09 |
| snap-l | I swear, those videos have been weirdness magnets. | 01:11 |
| brousch | I don't see the weirdness. | 01:18 |
| brousch | Just people that want more info | 01:18 |
| snap-l | I found it weird | 01:22 |
| snap-l | I answered the guy, because it was a valid question | 01:24 |
| snap-l | but I still found it weird. ;) | 01:24 |
| snap-l | Also, I just love it when people put up samples of their work on Bandcamp | 01:25 |
| snap-l | Quickest way for me never to play your band. Ever. | 01:25 |
| snap-l | PyOhio talks are announced | 01:32 |
| snap-l | apparently some guy named brousch is talking about Python and Android | 01:32 |
| snap-l | and some guy named rick_h_ is talking about how he hates Python and wishes we were all using PHP | 01:33 |
| snap-l | oh wait, that's a different conference. | 01:33 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: you ready to go back to Kobo? http://www.androidcentral.com/kobo-vox-mini-review | 01:44 |
| brousch | Hey, a lot of Django at this PyOhio | 01:46 |
| brousch | Good | 01:46 |
| rick_h_ | crap | 01:47 |
| rick_h_ | I'll have to sedate myeslf :P | 01:47 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Considering there were a crap-ton of folks ready to burn their Vox on GetSatisfaction, I'll pass. | 01:50 |
| jrwren | i'm supporting a codebase with cherrypy 1.2 and cherrytemplate. | 01:50 |
| jrwren | CHERRYTEMPLATE FFS! | 01:50 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 01:50 |
| rick_h_ | I didn't know there was a cherry template | 01:51 |
| jrwren | its abandoned. | 01:51 |
| jrwren | unsupported and unrecommended. | 01:51 |
| jrwren | last release was 2006 or 2007 | 01:52 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vey-uff_LyE&feature=bf_next&list=UUWZ7WX9ga0cHolL80rxRBpQ | 01:52 |
| snap-l | There's English Subtitles | 01:52 |
| jrwren | electronic or metal? | 01:53 |
| jrwren | first 22 seconds sound like it has potential :) | 01:53 |
| snap-l | Russian Folk Music with an industrial vibe. | 01:53 |
| snap-l | I love all of their music | 01:54 |
| jrwren | not bad at all. | 01:54 |
| snap-l | Hit CC to see the lyrics | 01:54 |
| jrwren | my CC is always one :) | 01:54 |
| jrwren | *always on | 01:54 |
| snap-l | jrwren: You ever listen to the Club Metalcasts? | 01:54 |
| jrwren | no | 01:55 |
| jrwren | is that your show? | 01:55 |
| snap-l | Yes | 01:55 |
| jrwren | club episodes? | 01:55 |
| jrwren | i should give a listen | 01:55 |
| snap-l | openmetalcast.com search for "club metal" | 01:55 |
| snap-l | There's 11 episodes of those | 01:55 |
| jrwren | cool | 01:56 |
| jrwren | yeah, that was a sweet track. | 01:56 |
| snap-l | IT's a playlist | 01:56 |
| snap-l | Rechenka / River is one of my favorits | 01:57 |
| brousch | jrwren: Wow, that's actually the first project I've heard of using cherrypy | 02:01 |
| brousch | FTR, I like cherrypy | 02:05 |
| brousch | oooh, kennethreitz will be at pyohio | 02:09 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Gh_3rYLPo7M | 02:11 |
| jrwren | cherrypy isn't bad, its jsut old, in a lot of ways, that makes it great. | 02:16 |
| jrwren | it went to plugable templates years ago. | 02:16 |
| jrwren | nothing wrong with cherrypy | 02:16 |
| jrwren | but cherrytemplate... ugh. | 02:16 |
| brousch | Yeah, I've not hard of that either | 02:17 |
| derekv | I know nothing. I am nothing, but a spec of potential to know something one day. | 02:36 |
| derekv | But that may be arrogance talking. | 02:36 |
| rick_h_ | ugh, morning | 11:09 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Yeah, that it is | 11:19 |
| snap-l | MUG meeting tonight | 11:19 |
| rick_h_ | ok, this is good http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/ | 11:20 |
| rick_h_ | oh crap, is it tonight? | 11:20 |
| rick_h_ | ugh | 11:20 |
| rick_h_ | with a double | 11:20 |
| shakes808 | morning | 11:43 |
| rick_h_ | morning | 11:44 |
| brousch | I have decided on a theme for my PyOhio talk | 11:45 |
| snap-l | New Metalcast Blah Blah | 11:46 |
| snap-l | brousch: You'll probably like the third track | 11:46 |
| brousch | Blah Blah? | 11:47 |
| snap-l | Too tired to be clever. | 11:47 |
| brousch | I like that title better than Blh Blah | 11:48 |
| brousch | For you Detroiters http://spin.atomicobject.com/2012/07/10/why-we-need-more-generalist-user-groups/ | 11:48 |
| jrwren | ann arbor computer society is kind of generalist. | 12:29 |
| jrwren | wow, that blog post is actually kinda bad IMO | 12:31 |
| brousch | Yeh, not their best, but I wanted to draw your attention to the group | 12:36 |
| nullspace | gah this crash reporting software is really horribly slow | 12:52 |
| nullspace | anyone else think the ubuntu crash reporting software is slower than really makes sense | 12:53 |
| jrwren | it sounds like whoever started the group is a library guy and not a language guy. | 12:57 |
| jrwren | that last paragraph was offputting for me. | 12:58 |
| jrwren | sounded like he does not value other languages. | 12:58 |
| jrwren | picking up libraries is easy. | 12:58 |
| jrwren | learning from other languages is a bit harder. | 12:58 |
| jrwren | guess which one i value more :) | 12:58 |
| brousch | Atomic runs a similar group in GR. They focus on no language | 12:58 |
| jrwren | right. | 12:59 |
| brousch | It's more about things like Agile | 12:59 |
| jrwren | that is cool and good. | 12:59 |
| brousch | PRogramming practices, not languages or libraries | 12:59 |
| jrwren | still, that last paragraph was telling to me. | 12:59 |
| brousch | I don't find their meetings interesting because I rarely think at that high level | 13:00 |
| jrwren | really? | 13:03 |
| jrwren | that is kind of sad. | 13:03 |
| jrwren | you can do it brousch | 13:03 |
| brousch | I can, I just don't | 13:05 |
| brousch | I am a team of 1 | 13:05 |
| jrwren | you can do it! | 13:05 |
| jrwren | wow, i'm pro-team, but is this guy serious? | 13:07 |
| jrwren | http://detroit.atomicobject.com/?utm_source=spin&utm_medium=header&utm_campaign=aod-hiring "Answer the office phone. Take out the trash. ..." | 13:07 |
| jrwren | hire someone to do those things, don't make it every programmers job. | 13:07 |
| brousch | Ug, I hate phones | 13:07 |
| jrwren | i totally don't want to work there and now i have a very bad view of them. | 13:07 |
| jrwren | me too. | 13:08 |
| jrwren | they wanted to give me a desk phone when I started my new job. | 13:08 |
| jrwren | i said, no thanks, here is my cell number. | 13:08 |
| jrwren | guess how many times I've got a work related call in 4 months? ZERO! YAY! | 13:08 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Yeah, I rarely use my phone if I can help it | 13:10 |
| jrwren | i snagged this http://www.discogs.com/Mentallo-And-The-Fixer-Associated-Projects-Benestrophe-Mainesthai-Polyhedron-A-Collection-Of-Rare-Un/master/434191 I don't know if you were every into M&tF | 13:16 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Up until this point I hadn't heard of them. :) | 13:18 |
| jrwren | oh wow, pretty popular industrial in the mid 90s | 13:21 |
| snap-l | If they didn't hit Skrew levels, I was likely oblivious. | 13:22 |
| jrwren | what is skrew? | 13:22 |
| snap-l | Exactly. :) | 13:23 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrew | 13:23 |
| jrwren | industrial metal v. industrial electronic | 13:23 |
| snap-l | Metal | 13:23 |
| jrwren | ha! both from Texas, similar time periods. | 13:23 |
| jrwren | oh right, Jourgensen, I knew I'd heard the name. | 13:24 |
| snap-l | Hell, I found out about 16 Volt in 2005 | 13:24 |
| jrwren | ha! | 13:24 |
| jrwren | you missed them eh? | 13:24 |
| snap-l | I quickly caught up | 13:25 |
| jrwren | i found out in 1995 | 13:25 |
| jrwren | saw 'em a few times in teh late 90s | 13:25 |
| snap-l | Yeah, only industrial show I went to in the 1990s was Chemlab w/ Virus 23 | 13:25 |
| snap-l | At the Reptile House in GR | 13:25 |
| jrwren | ah. | 13:25 |
| jrwren | LOL, nice. | 13:25 |
| jrwren | that place is long going | 13:25 |
| jrwren | long gone rather | 13:25 |
| snap-l | Was more of a metal head | 13:25 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 13:26 |
| snap-l | Place was so small it felt like the lead singer was towering over me | 13:26 |
| snap-l | but a hell of a show | 13:26 |
| jrwren | i'll bet. | 13:26 |
| jrwren | this is the stuff I loved: http://www.gearwire.com/mentallo-synths.html | 13:27 |
| snap-l | Yeah, you were more into the electronica / noise portion | 13:28 |
| rick_h_ | GGFjiojfiowefj | 13:28 |
| snap-l | I was looking for Ministry | 13:28 |
| jrwren | yup, but then electronica became a dirty word. | 13:28 |
| snap-l | You mean new agey? :) | 13:29 |
| jrwren | something like that. | 13:29 |
| snap-l | abient wankery | 13:29 |
| jrwren | it became a gateway to raver town | 13:29 |
| snap-l | Oh yeah | 13:29 |
| snap-l | I remember one of the guys on our industrial show brought in some Utah Saints | 13:29 |
| snap-l | and I brought in my sound effects disc | 13:29 |
| jrwren | lol. | 13:29 |
| snap-l | played clips of mowers over it | 13:29 |
| jrwren | nice. | 13:29 |
| snap-l | fucking hated rave | 13:30 |
| jrwren | yup, i remember hating Utah Saints. | 13:30 |
| jrwren | crystal Method, Chemical Brothers. | 13:30 |
| jrwren | but I did like Underworld | 13:30 |
| jrwren | there must be a gray line there somewhere. | 13:30 |
| snap-l | Probably, but damned if I'll ever find it | 13:30 |
| jrwren | still do like underworld & tricky | 13:30 |
| snap-l | I have one album (The best of Wasted) which is pretty awesome throughout | 13:31 |
| jrwren | but I never could get into Prodigy | 13:31 |
| jrwren | Prodigy was a lot different mid 90s too | 13:31 |
| snap-l | Was my exposure to a bunch of electronic music I hadn't heard. | 13:31 |
| jrwren | compilation? | 13:31 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasted:_The_Best_of_Volume,_Part_I | 13:31 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 13:31 |
| snap-l | and I always mess up the title. :) | 13:31 |
| jrwren | well sure. | 13:32 |
| jrwren | Cabaret Voltaire is SWEET | 13:32 |
| jrwren | and I don't even think I know that underworld track. | 13:32 |
| jrwren | *gasp* I don't. now i must have it! | 13:32 |
| snap-l | :) | 13:32 |
| snap-l | http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000001JH6/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used | 13:33 |
| jrwren | wow, those two disks are like one of my mix cds of the time: Schizophrenaic | 13:33 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's pretty eclectic | 13:34 |
| snap-l | OK, head down. bbl | 13:35 |
| brousch | http://linuxjournalist.blogspot.com/2012/07/official-ubuntu-chromium-repo-abandoned.html | 13:46 |
| rick_h_ | heh, yea just get it from Google | 13:47 |
| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/w9y2h/put_riaampaa_on_the_defensive_petition_to_support/ | 15:23 |
| snap-l | Sign. Please. | 15:23 |
| rick_h_ | anyone know of a way to shut network manager out of syslog? | 15:32 |
| rick_h_ | I'm kind of sick of going through reams of NM stuff when debugging ugh | 15:33 |
| rick_h_ | my google-fu is failing oh no!!! | 15:34 |
| * waldo323_ hands rick_h_ upgraded google-fu | 15:38 | |
| jcastro | snap-l: hey so don't kill me but | 15:41 |
| jcastro | clockwork angels feels kind of uninspired | 15:42 |
| jrwren | [logging] level=none to NetworkManager.conf should do it. | 15:42 |
| rick_h_ | oooh ty jrwren | 15:44 |
| rick_h_ | might be able to debug this dippy hard lockup now | 15:44 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: you heard much on the ivy bridge system lockup stuff> | 15:44 |
| rick_h_ | ? | 15:44 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Yeah, I've not really taken to it. | 15:57 |
| snap-l | Feels a bit like Test for Echo | 15:57 |
| snap-l | may need more time to grow on me | 15:57 |
| jcastro | nope | 16:05 |
| rick_h_ | woot, dropbox space increase! | 16:29 |
| jrwren | for all? | 16:29 |
| rick_h_ | http://blog.dropbox.com/index.php/new-dropbox-pro-plans/ | 16:29 |
| jrwren | i really should use dropbox more. | 16:29 |
| rick_h_ | paid users | 16:29 |
| jrwren | does it have cmdline interface? | 16:29 |
| rick_h_ | yea, you can install it cmd line | 16:29 |
| rick_h_ | google headless dropbox, several tutorials out there | 16:30 |
| jrwren | i have 2.75GB. that is probably why I don't use it:) | 16:30 |
| rick_h_ | yea, with the podcast and syncing files between snap-l and I, went paid a while back | 16:31 |
| jrwren | 21MB used, LOL | 16:31 |
| jrwren | i'd probably just use S3 | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | but currently at 23GB of 50 | 16:32 |
| jrwren | but I guess the sync to desktop can be nice | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | but I've kept stuff out | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | yea, the sync between machines is ftw | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | and versioning | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | and mobile access | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | I put all my travel docs/itenerary/notes in there and it synced down and could pull up on my phone | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | and the Oreilly/prag prog integration is sweetness, more things need to start doing that | 16:34 |
| jrwren | i use evernote for that | 16:34 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'm using Dropbox more often | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | might be an easy way to do the instapaper readlist->kindle | 16:34 |
| snap-l | esp with the links to O'Reilly and Pragprog | 16:34 |
| rick_h_ | bookie dumps toread html articles to your dropbox folder | 16:34 |
| snap-l | I put coupons in there that I get for Caribou and such | 16:35 |
| snap-l | so I have it | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | the fact that it's 'everywhere' is handy | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | and lansync is awesome for my 3 machines on the network | 16:35 |
| rick_h_ | syncs so fast | 16:36 |
| rick_h_ | I want to <3 U1 but just can't get there when dropbox does the stuff I need. | 16:36 |
| snap-l | I have dropbox set up on all of my machines | 16:37 |
| snap-l | U1 never got set up at work. | 16:37 |
| jrwren | ha, got 500MB of dropbox just for uploading photos from my phone | 16:57 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 16:57 |
| rick_h_ | any trick to get cut -f -1 to work like I'd hope and return the last field? | 16:57 |
| rick_h_ | ah grep -o '[^/]*$' works out nicely | 17:00 |
| snap-l | Run DMC is getting back together | 17:12 |
| brousch | Dangit. I started using Crashplan because I outgrew the 100GB Dropbox | 17:58 |
| brousch | Now I would fit under the 200GB, but I have paid for a year of crashplan | 17:58 |
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| jrwren | jcastro is moving to a bad neighborhood. http://annarbor.com/news/crime/man-shot-in-the-knee-possibly-hit-by-car-in-ypsilanti-township/ | 19:45 |
| snap-l | Yeah, ypsi has been heading into the toilet. | 19:46 |
| brousch | We warned him about ypsi | 19:46 |
| greg-g | before we had rowan, we would totally live in Ypsi, just those schools suck | 19:59 |
| jrwren | good read: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2012/6/22/hate-hate-hate-everywhere/?utm_source=Python+Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=38bf3dc602-Python_Weekly_Issue_41_June_28_2012&utm_medium=email | 20:10 |
| greg-g | anyone know how to reset an admin password on a mailman list? | 20:30 |
| jrwren | ping me in a few hrs and I can look up how to do it for you | 20:35 |
| greg-g | jrwren: heh, no worries, if you don't know off hand, I can search for the answer myself | 20:37 |
| greg-g | :) | 20:37 |
| waldo323_ | not sure if it changes version to version but this might help: $MAILMAN/bin/mmsitepass | 20:40 |
| waldo323_ | it sets the site password | 20:41 |
| greg-g | waldo323_: I don't have shell access, it is just a list that I ended up being the admin for, need to stop getting the daily "there are spam messages you need to deal with" messages :) | 20:42 |
| waldo323_ | oh ouch, should be able to get it reset from the web interface to the mailing list, most likely by the unsubscribe and edit options button | 20:45 |
| greg-g | waldo323_: I thought the admin password was diff/sep from my own password, I know how to reset my own, just unclear on the admin... let me finally do some searching now :) | 20:48 |
| greg-g | there doesn't seem to be a straight-forward way: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-December/048241.html | 20:49 |
| greg-g | all results talk about shell access stuff, oh well, I'll bug my buddy later, he's running a hackathon today | 20:49 |
| greg-g | (the buddy who runs the server that the list is hosted on) | 20:50 |
| waldo323_ | ok good luck | 20:50 |
| greg-g | thanks for the tips, though! | 20:50 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Here's a tip that might help | 21:25 |
| snap-l | on the mail message should be an attachment with "confirm (hash)" as the subject | 21:26 |
| snap-l | reply to that section of the mail to discard the mail | 21:26 |
| snap-l | Unfortunately, if it's sending the "you have x moderator requests pending", it's too late for the confirmation trick | 21:27 |
| greg-g | snap-l: yeah, tried that :) | 21:33 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I finally figured out what the damn thing was wanting. :) | 23:04 |
| greg-g | :) | 23:15 |
| gamerchick02 | how's it going greg-g? I see a grin, so things must be good. | 23:21 |
| greg-g | gamerchick02: things aren't bad :) | 23:28 |
| greg-g | gamerchick02: in DC, for about a week, for 3 events, then Portland next week for OSCON, so busy. Miss Rowan | 23:29 |
| greg-g | but, we went backpacking in NorCal last week and that was awesome | 23:29 |
| greg-g | I have the mosquito bites to prove it ;) | 23:29 |
| snap-l | Lovely | 23:29 |
| snap-l | Ive been happy with the lack of mosquitoes this way | 23:30 |
| greg-g | It made me rethink my "no long button up shirts" rule | 23:30 |
| snap-l | I think the dry weather really did them in | 23:30 |
| greg-g | SF has zero, but the mountains had a ton | 23:30 |
| greg-g | SF also is the worst place to be in the summer (constant fog, and about 58 degrees, ugh) | 23:30 |
| snap-l | I'm OK with the 58 degrees, but the fog would drive me nuts | 23:31 |
| greg-g | yeah, it is like seattle, but no rain (just the clouds) | 23:32 |
| greg-g | the dampness is making my bones ache (hey, I'm 30, I can say that now) | 23:33 |
| snap-l | heh | 23:33 |
| greg-g | god, it didn't really start hitting until now, I'm 30. 30 years and 8 days. Wow. | 23:34 |
| gamerchick02 | cool! | 23:36 |
| gamerchick02 | greg-g, i'm 30, and yeah, i never had the bones aching before. ugh | 23:36 |
| greg-g | dang oldness, where's the pill for this? | 23:37 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm going to be 31 come a week from Saturday. | 23:37 |
| greg-g | oh, well, if I don't see you, Happy bday! | 23:37 |
| gamerchick02 | dunno. but if there was one, we'd have seen the commercials for it on TV. | 23:37 |
| gamerchick02 | :) i will | 23:37 |
| gamerchick02 | i'm going up to Saginaw and we're going to a picnic. | 23:37 |
| * snap-l mumbles something about damn kids | 23:38 | |
| greg-g | "Ask your doctor about DeAge, even though you probably aren't a good fit for it, and you are just doing things because the TV told you to" | 23:38 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL!!! | 23:40 |
| gamerchick02 | dang, you Newegg and your tempting deals!!! | 23:41 |
| * greg-g hates drug ads | 23:41 | |
| gamerchick02 | i do too. | 23:41 |
| * gamerchick02 mumbles something about getting off my lawn | 23:41 | |
| snap-l | Oh, they're awesome. | 23:41 |
| gamerchick02 | newegg? | 23:41 |
| snap-l | 150 side effects that all affect quality of life, and you're good to go | 23:41 |
| gamerchick02 | yes, newegg is awesome. | 23:41 |
| gamerchick02 | LOL | 23:42 |
| gamerchick02 | does anyone need cables> | 23:42 |
| gamerchick02 | ? not > | 23:42 |
| gamerchick02 | i've a promo code for 20% off cables. | 23:43 |
| gamerchick02 | ALL cables. | 23:43 |
| snap-l | I'm cabled up for now, thanks | 23:45 |
| gamerchick02 | heh. | 23:46 |
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