[00:00] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: hmmm, so might have just enabled/helped some sort of game/spammy app. Doh
[00:00] <rick_h_> sorry, gamerchick02 wasn't meant for you personally
[00:02] <gamerchick02> heh. that'sok
[00:02] <gamerchick02> spammy app?
[00:03] <gamerchick02> android? iOS?
[00:03] <rick_h_> http://dealini.ch/
[00:04] <rick_h_> saw a post on hackernews, tracked me to my blog, watched my talk linked there, and then left me a comment on the blog to try to contact me http://paste.mitechie.com/show/e3vK9zYXcZ6F9QGzSas8/
[00:04] <rick_h_> I've been hunted down from hackernews to my email box
[00:04] <gamerchick02> wow
[00:04] <gamerchick02> you're famous!
[00:04] <rick_h_> no, just made a comment on a hackernews post lol
[00:09] <gamerchick02> ah
[00:11] <Blazeix> you can tell him, "sorry, i've seen the light and use php now!"
[00:19] <gamerchick02> i'm off! and tired. i'll see everyone tomorrow after work and maybe i can try to figure out this kernel bug. hasn't happened today. strange
[01:09] <snap-l> http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/5a6Yic7VK4vHrg4QhH52/
[01:11] <snap-l> I swear, those videos have been weirdness magnets.
[01:18] <brousch> I don't see the weirdness.
[01:18] <brousch> Just people that want more info
[01:22] <snap-l> I found it weird
[01:24] <snap-l> I answered the guy, because it was a valid question
[01:24] <snap-l> but I still found it weird. ;)
[01:25] <snap-l> Also, I just love it when people put up samples of their work on Bandcamp
[01:25] <snap-l> Quickest way for me never to play your band. Ever.
[01:32] <snap-l> PyOhio talks are announced
[01:32] <snap-l> apparently some guy named brousch is talking about Python and Android
[01:33] <snap-l> and some guy named rick_h_ is talking about how he hates Python and wishes we were all using PHP
[01:33] <snap-l> oh wait, that's a different conference.
[01:44] <rick_h_> snap-l: you ready to go back to Kobo? http://www.androidcentral.com/kobo-vox-mini-review
[01:46] <brousch> Hey, a lot of Django at this PyOhio
[01:46] <brousch> Good
[01:47] <rick_h_> crap
[01:47] <rick_h_> I'll have to sedate myeslf :P
[01:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: Considering there were a crap-ton of folks ready to burn their Vox on GetSatisfaction, I'll pass.
[01:50] <jrwren> i'm supporting a codebase with cherrypy 1.2 and cherrytemplate.
[01:50] <jrwren> CHERRYTEMPLATE FFS!
[01:50] <rick_h_> lol
[01:51] <rick_h_> I didn't know there was a cherry template
[01:51] <jrwren> its abandoned.
[01:51] <jrwren> unsupported and unrecommended.
[01:52] <jrwren> last release was 2006 or 2007
[01:52] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vey-uff_LyE&feature=bf_next&list=UUWZ7WX9ga0cHolL80rxRBpQ
[01:52] <snap-l> There's English Subtitles
[01:53] <jrwren> electronic or metal?
[01:53] <jrwren> first 22 seconds sound like it has potential :)
[01:53] <snap-l> Russian Folk Music with an industrial vibe.
[01:54] <snap-l> I love all of their music
[01:54] <jrwren> not bad at all.
[01:54] <snap-l> Hit CC to see the lyrics
[01:54] <jrwren> my CC is always one :)
[01:54] <jrwren> *always on
[01:54] <snap-l> jrwren: You ever listen to the Club Metalcasts?
[01:55] <jrwren> no
[01:55] <jrwren> is that your show?
[01:55] <snap-l> Yes
[01:55] <jrwren> club episodes?
[01:55] <jrwren> i should give a listen
[01:55] <snap-l> openmetalcast.com search for "club metal"
[01:55] <snap-l> There's 11 episodes of those
[01:56] <jrwren> cool
[01:56] <jrwren> yeah, that was a sweet track.
[01:56] <snap-l> IT's a playlist
[01:57] <snap-l> Rechenka / River is one of my favorits
[02:01] <brousch> jrwren: Wow, that's actually the first project I've heard of using cherrypy
[02:05] <brousch> FTR, I like cherrypy
[02:09] <brousch> oooh, kennethreitz will be at pyohio
[02:11] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Gh_3rYLPo7M
[02:16] <jrwren> cherrypy isn't bad, its jsut old, in a lot of ways, that makes it great.
[02:16] <jrwren> it went to plugable templates years ago.
[02:16] <jrwren> nothing wrong with cherrypy
[02:16] <jrwren> but cherrytemplate... ugh.
[02:17] <brousch> Yeah, I've not hard of that either
[02:36] <derekv> I know nothing.  I am nothing, but a spec of potential to know something one day.
[02:36] <derekv> But that may be arrogance talking.
[11:09] <rick_h_> ugh, morning
[11:19] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, that it is
[11:19] <snap-l> MUG meeting tonight
[11:20] <rick_h_> ok, this is good http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
[11:20] <rick_h_> oh crap, is it tonight?
[11:20] <rick_h_> ugh
[11:20] <rick_h_> with a double
[11:43] <shakes808> morning
[11:44] <rick_h_> morning
[11:45] <brousch> I have decided on a theme for my PyOhio talk
[11:46] <snap-l> New Metalcast Blah Blah
[11:46] <snap-l> brousch: You'll probably like the third track
[11:47] <brousch> Blah Blah?
[11:47] <snap-l> Too tired to be clever.
[11:48] <brousch> I like that title better than Blh Blah
[11:48] <brousch> For you Detroiters http://spin.atomicobject.com/2012/07/10/why-we-need-more-generalist-user-groups/
[12:29] <jrwren> ann arbor computer society is kind of generalist.
[12:31] <jrwren> wow, that blog post is actually kinda bad IMO
[12:36] <brousch> Yeh, not their best, but I wanted to draw your attention to the group
[12:52] <nullspace>  gah this crash reporting software is really horribly slow
[12:53] <nullspace> anyone else think the ubuntu crash reporting software is slower than really makes sense
[12:57] <jrwren> it sounds like whoever started the group is a library guy and not a language guy.
[12:58] <jrwren> that last paragraph was offputting for me.
[12:58] <jrwren> sounded like he does not value other languages.
[12:58] <jrwren> picking up libraries is easy.
[12:58] <jrwren> learning from other languages is a bit harder.
[12:58] <jrwren> guess which one i value more :)
[12:58] <brousch> Atomic runs a similar group in GR. They focus on no language
[12:59] <jrwren> right.
[12:59] <brousch> It's more about things like Agile
[12:59] <jrwren> that is cool and good.
[12:59] <brousch> PRogramming practices, not languages or libraries
[12:59] <jrwren> still, that last paragraph was telling to me.
[13:00] <brousch> I don't find their meetings interesting because I rarely think at that high level
[13:03] <jrwren> really?
[13:03] <jrwren> that is kind of sad.
[13:03] <jrwren> you can do it brousch
[13:05] <brousch> I can, I just don't
[13:05] <brousch> I am a team of 1
[13:05] <jrwren> you can do it!
[13:07] <jrwren> wow, i'm pro-team, but is this guy serious?
[13:07] <jrwren> http://detroit.atomicobject.com/?utm_source=spin&utm_medium=header&utm_campaign=aod-hiring  "Answer the office phone. Take out the trash. ..."
[13:07] <jrwren> hire someone to do those things, don't make it every programmers job.
[13:07] <brousch> Ug, I hate phones
[13:07] <jrwren> i totally don't want to work there and now i have a very bad view of them.
[13:08] <jrwren> me too.
[13:08] <jrwren> they wanted to give me a desk phone when I started my new job.
[13:08] <jrwren> i said, no thanks, here is my cell number.
[13:08] <jrwren> guess how many times I've got a work related call in 4 months?  ZERO!  YAY!
[13:10] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, I rarely use my phone if I can help it
[13:16] <jrwren> i snagged this http://www.discogs.com/Mentallo-And-The-Fixer-Associated-Projects-Benestrophe-Mainesthai-Polyhedron-A-Collection-Of-Rare-Un/master/434191  I don't know if you were every into M&tF
[13:18] <snap-l> jrwren: Up until this point I hadn't heard of them. :)
[13:21] <jrwren> oh wow, pretty popular industrial in the mid 90s
[13:22] <snap-l> If they didn't hit Skrew levels, I was likely oblivious.
[13:22] <jrwren> what is skrew?
[13:23] <snap-l> Exactly. :)
[13:23] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrew
[13:23] <jrwren> industrial metal v. industrial electronic
[13:23] <snap-l> Metal
[13:23] <jrwren> ha! both from Texas, similar time periods.
[13:24] <jrwren> oh right, Jourgensen, I knew I'd heard the name.
[13:24] <snap-l> Hell, I found out about 16 Volt in 2005
[13:24] <jrwren> ha!
[13:24] <jrwren> you missed them eh?
[13:25] <snap-l> I quickly caught up
[13:25] <jrwren> i found out in 1995
[13:25] <jrwren> saw 'em a few times in teh late 90s
[13:25] <snap-l> Yeah, only industrial show I went to in the 1990s was Chemlab w/ Virus 23
[13:25] <snap-l> At the Reptile House in GR
[13:25] <jrwren> ah.
[13:25] <jrwren> LOL, nice.
[13:25] <jrwren> that place is long going
[13:25] <jrwren> long gone rather
[13:25] <snap-l> Was more of a metal head
[13:26] <snap-l> Yeah
[13:26] <snap-l> Place was so small it felt like the lead singer was towering over me
[13:26] <snap-l> but a hell of a show
[13:26] <jrwren> i'll bet.
[13:27] <jrwren> this is the stuff I loved: http://www.gearwire.com/mentallo-synths.html
[13:28] <snap-l> Yeah, you were more into the electronica / noise portion
[13:28] <rick_h_> GGFjiojfiowefj
[13:28] <snap-l> I was looking for Ministry
[13:28] <jrwren> yup, but then electronica became a dirty word.
[13:29] <snap-l> You mean new agey? :)
[13:29] <jrwren> something like that.
[13:29] <snap-l> abient wankery
[13:29] <jrwren> it became a gateway to raver town
[13:29] <snap-l> Oh yeah
[13:29] <snap-l> I remember one of the guys on our industrial show brought in some Utah Saints
[13:29] <snap-l> and I brought in my sound effects disc
[13:29] <jrwren> lol.
[13:29] <snap-l> played clips of mowers over it
[13:29] <jrwren> nice.
[13:30] <snap-l> fucking hated rave
[13:30] <jrwren> yup, i remember hating Utah Saints.
[13:30] <jrwren> crystal Method, Chemical Brothers.
[13:30] <jrwren> but I did like Underworld
[13:30] <jrwren> there must be a gray line there somewhere.
[13:30] <snap-l> Probably, but damned if I'll ever find it
[13:30] <jrwren> still do like underworld & tricky
[13:31] <snap-l> I have one album (The best of Wasted) which is pretty awesome throughout
[13:31] <jrwren> but I never could get into Prodigy
[13:31] <jrwren> Prodigy was a lot different mid 90s too
[13:31] <snap-l> Was my exposure to a bunch of electronic music I hadn't heard.
[13:31] <jrwren> compilation?
[13:31] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasted:_The_Best_of_Volume,_Part_I
[13:31] <snap-l> Yeah
[13:31] <snap-l> and I always mess up the title. :)
[13:32] <jrwren> well sure.
[13:32] <jrwren> Cabaret Voltaire is SWEET
[13:32] <jrwren> and I don't even think I know that underworld track.
[13:32] <jrwren> *gasp* I don't. now i must have it!
[13:32] <snap-l> :)
[13:33] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000001JH6/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used
[13:33] <jrwren> wow, those two disks are like one of my mix cds of the time: Schizophrenaic
[13:34] <snap-l> Yeah, it's pretty eclectic
[13:35] <snap-l> OK, head down. bbl
[13:46] <brousch> http://linuxjournalist.blogspot.com/2012/07/official-ubuntu-chromium-repo-abandoned.html
[13:47] <rick_h_> heh, yea just get it from Google
[15:23] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/w9y2h/put_riaampaa_on_the_defensive_petition_to_support/
[15:23] <snap-l> Sign. Please.
[15:32] <rick_h_> anyone know of a way to shut network manager out of syslog?
[15:33] <rick_h_> I'm kind of sick of going through reams of NM stuff when debugging ugh
[15:34] <rick_h_> my google-fu is failing oh no!!!
[15:38]  * waldo323_ hands rick_h_ upgraded google-fu
[15:41] <jcastro> snap-l: hey so don't kill me but
[15:42] <jcastro> clockwork angels feels kind of uninspired
[15:42] <jrwren> [logging] level=none to NetworkManager.conf should do it.
[15:44] <rick_h_> oooh ty jrwren
[15:44] <rick_h_> might be able to debug this dippy hard lockup now
[15:44] <rick_h_> jcastro: you heard much on the ivy bridge system lockup stuff>
[15:44] <rick_h_> ?
[15:57] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, I've not really taken to it.
[15:57] <snap-l> Feels a bit like Test for Echo
[15:57] <snap-l> may need more time to grow on me
[16:05] <jcastro> nope
[16:29] <rick_h_> woot, dropbox space increase!
[16:29] <jrwren> for all?
[16:29] <rick_h_> http://blog.dropbox.com/index.php/new-dropbox-pro-plans/
[16:29] <jrwren> i really should use dropbox more.
[16:29] <rick_h_> paid users
[16:29] <jrwren> does it have cmdline interface?
[16:29] <rick_h_> yea, you can install it cmd line
[16:30] <rick_h_> google headless dropbox, several tutorials out there
[16:30] <jrwren> i have 2.75GB. that is probably why I don't use it:)
[16:31] <rick_h_> yea, with the podcast and syncing files between snap-l and I, went paid a while back
[16:31] <jrwren> 21MB used, LOL
[16:32] <jrwren> i'd probably just use S3
[16:32] <rick_h_> but currently at 23GB of 50
[16:32] <jrwren> but I guess the sync to desktop can be nice
[16:32] <rick_h_> but I've kept stuff out
[16:32] <rick_h_> yea, the sync between machines is ftw
[16:32] <rick_h_> and versioning
[16:32] <rick_h_> and mobile access
[16:32] <rick_h_> I put all my travel docs/itenerary/notes in there and it synced down and could pull up on my phone
[16:34] <rick_h_> and the Oreilly/prag prog integration is sweetness, more things need to start doing that
[16:34] <jrwren> i use evernote for that
[16:34] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm using Dropbox more often
[16:34] <rick_h_> might be an easy way to do the instapaper readlist->kindle
[16:34] <snap-l> esp with the links to O'Reilly and Pragprog
[16:34] <rick_h_> bookie dumps toread html articles to your dropbox folder
[16:35] <snap-l> I put coupons in there that I get for Caribou and such
[16:35] <snap-l> so I have it
[16:35] <rick_h_> yea
[16:35] <rick_h_> the fact that it's 'everywhere' is handy
[16:35] <rick_h_> and lansync is awesome for my 3 machines on the network
[16:36] <rick_h_> syncs so fast
[16:36] <rick_h_> I want to <3 U1 but just can't get there when dropbox does the stuff I need.
[16:37] <snap-l> I have dropbox set up on all of my machines
[16:37] <snap-l> U1 never got set up at work.
[16:57] <jrwren> ha, got 500MB of dropbox just for uploading photos from my phone
[16:57] <rick_h_> yea
[16:57] <rick_h_> any trick to get cut -f -1 to work like I'd hope and return the last field?
[17:00] <rick_h_> ah grep -o '[^/]*$' works out nicely
[17:12] <snap-l> Run DMC is getting back together
[17:58] <brousch> Dangit. I started using Crashplan because I outgrew the 100GB Dropbox
[17:58] <brousch> Now I would fit under the 200GB, but I have paid for a year of crashplan
[19:45] <jrwren> jcastro is moving to a bad neighborhood. http://annarbor.com/news/crime/man-shot-in-the-knee-possibly-hit-by-car-in-ypsilanti-township/
[19:46] <snap-l> Yeah, ypsi has been heading into the toilet.
[19:46] <brousch> We warned him about ypsi
[19:59] <greg-g> before we had rowan, we would totally live in Ypsi, just those schools suck
[20:10] <jrwren>  good read: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2012/6/22/hate-hate-hate-everywhere/?utm_source=Python+Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=38bf3dc602-Python_Weekly_Issue_41_June_28_2012&utm_medium=email
[20:30] <greg-g> anyone know how to reset an admin password on a mailman list?
[20:35] <jrwren> ping me in a few hrs and I can look up how to do it for you
[20:37] <greg-g> jrwren: heh, no worries, if you don't know off hand, I can search for the answer myself
[20:37] <greg-g> :)
[20:40] <waldo323_> not sure if it changes version to version but this might help: $MAILMAN/bin/mmsitepass
[20:41] <waldo323_> it sets the site password
[20:42] <greg-g> waldo323_: I don't have shell access, it is just a list that I ended up being the admin for, need to stop getting the daily "there are spam messages you need to deal with" messages :)
[20:45] <waldo323_> oh ouch, should be able to get it reset from the web interface to the mailing list, most likely by the unsubscribe and edit options button
[20:48] <greg-g> waldo323_: I thought the admin password was diff/sep from my own password, I know how to reset my own, just unclear on the admin... let me finally do some searching now :)
[20:49] <greg-g> there doesn't seem to be a straight-forward way: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-December/048241.html
[20:49] <greg-g> all results talk about shell access stuff, oh well, I'll bug my buddy later, he's running a hackathon today
[20:50] <greg-g> (the buddy who runs the server that the list is hosted on)
[20:50] <waldo323_> ok good luck
[20:50] <greg-g> thanks for the tips, though!
[21:25] <snap-l> greg-g: Here's a tip that might help
[21:26] <snap-l> on the mail message should be an attachment with "confirm (hash)" as the subject
[21:26] <snap-l> reply to that section of the mail to discard the mail
[21:27] <snap-l> Unfortunately, if it's sending the "you have x moderator requests pending", it's too late for the confirmation trick
[21:33] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, tried that :)
[23:04] <snap-l> greg-g: I finally figured out what the damn thing was wanting. :)
[23:15] <greg-g> :)
[23:21] <gamerchick02> how's it going greg-g? I see a grin, so things must be good.
[23:28] <greg-g> gamerchick02: things aren't bad :)
[23:29] <greg-g> gamerchick02: in DC, for about a week, for 3 events, then Portland next week for OSCON, so busy. Miss Rowan
[23:29] <greg-g> but, we went backpacking in NorCal last week and that was awesome
[23:29] <greg-g> I have the mosquito bites to prove it ;)
[23:29] <snap-l> Lovely
[23:30] <snap-l> Ive been happy with the lack of mosquitoes this way
[23:30] <greg-g> It made me rethink my "no long button up shirts" rule
[23:30] <snap-l> I think the dry weather really did them in
[23:30] <greg-g> SF has zero, but the mountains had a ton
[23:30] <greg-g> SF also is the worst place to be in the summer (constant fog, and about 58 degrees, ugh)
[23:31] <snap-l> I'm OK with the 58 degrees, but the fog would drive me nuts
[23:32] <greg-g> yeah, it is like seattle, but no rain (just the clouds)
[23:33] <greg-g> the dampness is making my bones ache (hey, I'm 30, I can say that now)
[23:33] <snap-l> heh
[23:34] <greg-g> god, it didn't really start hitting until now, I'm 30. 30 years and 8 days. Wow.
[23:36] <gamerchick02> cool!
[23:36] <gamerchick02> greg-g, i'm 30, and yeah, i never had the bones aching before. ugh
[23:37] <greg-g> dang oldness, where's the pill for this?
[23:37] <gamerchick02> i'm going to be 31 come a week from Saturday.
[23:37] <greg-g> oh, well, if I don't see you, Happy bday!
[23:37] <gamerchick02> dunno. but if there was one, we'd have seen the commercials for it on TV.
[23:37] <gamerchick02> :) i will
[23:37] <gamerchick02> i'm going up to Saginaw and we're going to a picnic.
[23:38]  * snap-l mumbles something about damn kids
[23:38] <greg-g> "Ask your doctor about DeAge, even though you probably aren't a good fit for it, and you are just doing things because the TV told you to"
[23:40] <gamerchick02> LOL!!!
[23:41] <gamerchick02> dang, you Newegg and your tempting deals!!!
[23:41]  * greg-g hates drug ads
[23:41] <gamerchick02> i do too.
[23:41]  * gamerchick02 mumbles something about getting off my lawn
[23:41] <snap-l> Oh, they're awesome.
[23:41] <gamerchick02> newegg?
[23:41] <snap-l> 150 side effects that all affect quality of life, and you're good to go
[23:41] <gamerchick02> yes, newegg is awesome.
[23:42] <gamerchick02> LOL
[23:42] <gamerchick02> does anyone need cables>
[23:42] <gamerchick02> ? not >
[23:43] <gamerchick02> i've a promo code for 20% off cables.
[23:43] <gamerchick02> ALL cables.
[23:45] <snap-l> I'm cabled up for now, thanks
[23:46] <gamerchick02> heh.