[00:00] gamerchick02: hmmm, so might have just enabled/helped some sort of game/spammy app. Doh [00:00] sorry, gamerchick02 wasn't meant for you personally [00:02] heh. that'sok [00:02] spammy app? [00:03] android? iOS? [00:03] http://dealini.ch/ [00:04] saw a post on hackernews, tracked me to my blog, watched my talk linked there, and then left me a comment on the blog to try to contact me http://paste.mitechie.com/show/e3vK9zYXcZ6F9QGzSas8/ [00:04] I've been hunted down from hackernews to my email box [00:04] wow [00:04] you're famous! [00:04] no, just made a comment on a hackernews post lol [00:09] ah [00:11] you can tell him, "sorry, i've seen the light and use php now!" [00:19] i'm off! and tired. i'll see everyone tomorrow after work and maybe i can try to figure out this kernel bug. hasn't happened today. strange [01:09] http://paste.mitechie.com/raw/5a6Yic7VK4vHrg4QhH52/ [01:11] I swear, those videos have been weirdness magnets. [01:18] I don't see the weirdness. [01:18] Just people that want more info [01:22] I found it weird [01:24] I answered the guy, because it was a valid question [01:24] but I still found it weird. ;) [01:25] Also, I just love it when people put up samples of their work on Bandcamp [01:25] Quickest way for me never to play your band. Ever. [01:32] PyOhio talks are announced [01:32] apparently some guy named brousch is talking about Python and Android [01:33] and some guy named rick_h_ is talking about how he hates Python and wishes we were all using PHP [01:33] oh wait, that's a different conference. [01:44] snap-l: you ready to go back to Kobo? http://www.androidcentral.com/kobo-vox-mini-review [01:46] Hey, a lot of Django at this PyOhio [01:46] Good [01:47] crap [01:47] I'll have to sedate myeslf :P [01:50] rick_h_: Considering there were a crap-ton of folks ready to burn their Vox on GetSatisfaction, I'll pass. [01:50] i'm supporting a codebase with cherrypy 1.2 and cherrytemplate. [01:50] CHERRYTEMPLATE FFS! [01:50] lol [01:51] I didn't know there was a cherry template [01:51] its abandoned. [01:51] unsupported and unrecommended. [01:52] last release was 2006 or 2007 [01:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vey-uff_LyE&feature=bf_next&list=UUWZ7WX9ga0cHolL80rxRBpQ [01:52] There's English Subtitles [01:53] electronic or metal? [01:53] first 22 seconds sound like it has potential :) [01:53] Russian Folk Music with an industrial vibe. [01:54] I love all of their music [01:54] not bad at all. [01:54] Hit CC to see the lyrics [01:54] my CC is always one :) [01:54] *always on [01:54] jrwren: You ever listen to the Club Metalcasts? [01:55] no [01:55] is that your show? [01:55] Yes [01:55] club episodes? [01:55] i should give a listen [01:55] openmetalcast.com search for "club metal" [01:55] There's 11 episodes of those [01:56] cool [01:56] yeah, that was a sweet track. [01:56] IT's a playlist [01:57] Rechenka / River is one of my favorits [02:01] jrwren: Wow, that's actually the first project I've heard of using cherrypy [02:05] FTR, I like cherrypy [02:09] oooh, kennethreitz will be at pyohio [02:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Gh_3rYLPo7M [02:16] cherrypy isn't bad, its jsut old, in a lot of ways, that makes it great. [02:16] it went to plugable templates years ago. [02:16] nothing wrong with cherrypy [02:16] but cherrytemplate... ugh. [02:17] Yeah, I've not hard of that either [02:36] I know nothing. I am nothing, but a spec of potential to know something one day. [02:36] But that may be arrogance talking. [11:09] ugh, morning [11:19] rick_h_: Yeah, that it is [11:19] MUG meeting tonight [11:20] ok, this is good http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/ [11:20] oh crap, is it tonight? [11:20] ugh [11:20] with a double [11:43] morning [11:44] morning [11:45] I have decided on a theme for my PyOhio talk [11:46] New Metalcast Blah Blah [11:46] brousch: You'll probably like the third track [11:47] Blah Blah? [11:47] Too tired to be clever. [11:48] I like that title better than Blh Blah [11:48] For you Detroiters http://spin.atomicobject.com/2012/07/10/why-we-need-more-generalist-user-groups/ [12:29] ann arbor computer society is kind of generalist. [12:31] wow, that blog post is actually kinda bad IMO [12:36] Yeh, not their best, but I wanted to draw your attention to the group [12:52] gah this crash reporting software is really horribly slow [12:53] anyone else think the ubuntu crash reporting software is slower than really makes sense [12:57] it sounds like whoever started the group is a library guy and not a language guy. [12:58] that last paragraph was offputting for me. [12:58] sounded like he does not value other languages. [12:58] picking up libraries is easy. [12:58] learning from other languages is a bit harder. [12:58] guess which one i value more :) [12:58] Atomic runs a similar group in GR. They focus on no language [12:59] right. [12:59] It's more about things like Agile [12:59] that is cool and good. [12:59] PRogramming practices, not languages or libraries [12:59] still, that last paragraph was telling to me. [13:00] I don't find their meetings interesting because I rarely think at that high level [13:03] really? [13:03] that is kind of sad. [13:03] you can do it brousch [13:05] I can, I just don't [13:05] I am a team of 1 [13:05] you can do it! [13:07] wow, i'm pro-team, but is this guy serious? [13:07] http://detroit.atomicobject.com/?utm_source=spin&utm_medium=header&utm_campaign=aod-hiring "Answer the office phone. Take out the trash. ..." [13:07] hire someone to do those things, don't make it every programmers job. [13:07] Ug, I hate phones [13:07] i totally don't want to work there and now i have a very bad view of them. [13:08] me too. [13:08] they wanted to give me a desk phone when I started my new job. [13:08] i said, no thanks, here is my cell number. [13:08] guess how many times I've got a work related call in 4 months? ZERO! YAY! [13:10] jrwren: Yeah, I rarely use my phone if I can help it [13:16] i snagged this http://www.discogs.com/Mentallo-And-The-Fixer-Associated-Projects-Benestrophe-Mainesthai-Polyhedron-A-Collection-Of-Rare-Un/master/434191 I don't know if you were every into M&tF [13:18] jrwren: Up until this point I hadn't heard of them. :) [13:21] oh wow, pretty popular industrial in the mid 90s [13:22] If they didn't hit Skrew levels, I was likely oblivious. [13:22] what is skrew? [13:23] Exactly. :) [13:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrew [13:23] industrial metal v. industrial electronic [13:23] Metal [13:23] ha! both from Texas, similar time periods. [13:24] oh right, Jourgensen, I knew I'd heard the name. [13:24] Hell, I found out about 16 Volt in 2005 [13:24] ha! [13:24] you missed them eh? [13:25] I quickly caught up [13:25] i found out in 1995 [13:25] saw 'em a few times in teh late 90s [13:25] Yeah, only industrial show I went to in the 1990s was Chemlab w/ Virus 23 [13:25] At the Reptile House in GR [13:25] ah. [13:25] LOL, nice. [13:25] that place is long going [13:25] long gone rather [13:25] Was more of a metal head [13:26] Yeah [13:26] Place was so small it felt like the lead singer was towering over me [13:26] but a hell of a show [13:26] i'll bet. [13:27] this is the stuff I loved: http://www.gearwire.com/mentallo-synths.html [13:28] Yeah, you were more into the electronica / noise portion [13:28] GGFjiojfiowefj [13:28] I was looking for Ministry [13:28] yup, but then electronica became a dirty word. [13:29] You mean new agey? :) [13:29] something like that. [13:29] abient wankery [13:29] it became a gateway to raver town [13:29] Oh yeah [13:29] I remember one of the guys on our industrial show brought in some Utah Saints [13:29] and I brought in my sound effects disc [13:29] lol. [13:29] played clips of mowers over it [13:29] nice. [13:30] fucking hated rave [13:30] yup, i remember hating Utah Saints. [13:30] crystal Method, Chemical Brothers. [13:30] but I did like Underworld [13:30] there must be a gray line there somewhere. [13:30] Probably, but damned if I'll ever find it [13:30] still do like underworld & tricky [13:31] I have one album (The best of Wasted) which is pretty awesome throughout [13:31] but I never could get into Prodigy [13:31] Prodigy was a lot different mid 90s too [13:31] Was my exposure to a bunch of electronic music I hadn't heard. [13:31] compilation? [13:31] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasted:_The_Best_of_Volume,_Part_I [13:31] Yeah [13:31] and I always mess up the title. :) [13:32] well sure. [13:32] Cabaret Voltaire is SWEET [13:32] and I don't even think I know that underworld track. [13:32] *gasp* I don't. now i must have it! [13:32] :) [13:33] http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000001JH6/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used [13:33] wow, those two disks are like one of my mix cds of the time: Schizophrenaic [13:34] Yeah, it's pretty eclectic [13:35] OK, head down. bbl [13:46] http://linuxjournalist.blogspot.com/2012/07/official-ubuntu-chromium-repo-abandoned.html [13:47] heh, yea just get it from Google [15:23] http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/w9y2h/put_riaampaa_on_the_defensive_petition_to_support/ [15:23] Sign. Please. [15:32] anyone know of a way to shut network manager out of syslog? [15:33] I'm kind of sick of going through reams of NM stuff when debugging ugh [15:34] my google-fu is failing oh no!!! [15:38] * waldo323_ hands rick_h_ upgraded google-fu [15:41] snap-l: hey so don't kill me but [15:42] clockwork angels feels kind of uninspired [15:42] [logging] level=none to NetworkManager.conf should do it. [15:44] oooh ty jrwren [15:44] might be able to debug this dippy hard lockup now [15:44] jcastro: you heard much on the ivy bridge system lockup stuff> [15:44] ? [15:57] jcastro: Yeah, I've not really taken to it. [15:57] Feels a bit like Test for Echo [15:57] may need more time to grow on me [16:05] nope [16:29] woot, dropbox space increase! [16:29] for all? [16:29] http://blog.dropbox.com/index.php/new-dropbox-pro-plans/ [16:29] i really should use dropbox more. [16:29] paid users [16:29] does it have cmdline interface? [16:29] yea, you can install it cmd line [16:30] google headless dropbox, several tutorials out there [16:30] i have 2.75GB. that is probably why I don't use it:) [16:31] yea, with the podcast and syncing files between snap-l and I, went paid a while back [16:31] 21MB used, LOL [16:32] i'd probably just use S3 [16:32] but currently at 23GB of 50 [16:32] but I guess the sync to desktop can be nice [16:32] but I've kept stuff out [16:32] yea, the sync between machines is ftw [16:32] and versioning [16:32] and mobile access [16:32] I put all my travel docs/itenerary/notes in there and it synced down and could pull up on my phone [16:34] and the Oreilly/prag prog integration is sweetness, more things need to start doing that [16:34] i use evernote for that [16:34] Yeah, I'm using Dropbox more often [16:34] might be an easy way to do the instapaper readlist->kindle [16:34] esp with the links to O'Reilly and Pragprog [16:34] bookie dumps toread html articles to your dropbox folder [16:35] I put coupons in there that I get for Caribou and such [16:35] so I have it [16:35] yea [16:35] the fact that it's 'everywhere' is handy [16:35] and lansync is awesome for my 3 machines on the network [16:36] syncs so fast [16:36] I want to <3 U1 but just can't get there when dropbox does the stuff I need. [16:37] I have dropbox set up on all of my machines [16:37] U1 never got set up at work. [16:57] ha, got 500MB of dropbox just for uploading photos from my phone [16:57] yea [16:57] any trick to get cut -f -1 to work like I'd hope and return the last field? [17:00] ah grep -o '[^/]*$' works out nicely [17:12] Run DMC is getting back together [17:58] Dangit. I started using Crashplan because I outgrew the 100GB Dropbox [17:58] Now I would fit under the 200GB, but I have paid for a year of crashplan === ajhekman is now known as WorkAccount === WorkAccount is now known as ajhekman [19:45] jcastro is moving to a bad neighborhood. http://annarbor.com/news/crime/man-shot-in-the-knee-possibly-hit-by-car-in-ypsilanti-township/ [19:46] Yeah, ypsi has been heading into the toilet. [19:46] We warned him about ypsi [19:59] before we had rowan, we would totally live in Ypsi, just those schools suck [20:10] good read: http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2012/6/22/hate-hate-hate-everywhere/?utm_source=Python+Weekly+Newsletter&utm_campaign=38bf3dc602-Python_Weekly_Issue_41_June_28_2012&utm_medium=email [20:30] anyone know how to reset an admin password on a mailman list? [20:35] ping me in a few hrs and I can look up how to do it for you [20:37] jrwren: heh, no worries, if you don't know off hand, I can search for the answer myself [20:37] :) [20:40] not sure if it changes version to version but this might help: $MAILMAN/bin/mmsitepass [20:41] it sets the site password [20:42] waldo323_: I don't have shell access, it is just a list that I ended up being the admin for, need to stop getting the daily "there are spam messages you need to deal with" messages :) [20:45] oh ouch, should be able to get it reset from the web interface to the mailing list, most likely by the unsubscribe and edit options button [20:48] waldo323_: I thought the admin password was diff/sep from my own password, I know how to reset my own, just unclear on the admin... let me finally do some searching now :) [20:49] there doesn't seem to be a straight-forward way: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-December/048241.html [20:49] all results talk about shell access stuff, oh well, I'll bug my buddy later, he's running a hackathon today [20:50] (the buddy who runs the server that the list is hosted on) [20:50] ok good luck [20:50] thanks for the tips, though! [21:25] greg-g: Here's a tip that might help [21:26] on the mail message should be an attachment with "confirm (hash)" as the subject [21:26] reply to that section of the mail to discard the mail [21:27] Unfortunately, if it's sending the "you have x moderator requests pending", it's too late for the confirmation trick [21:33] snap-l: yeah, tried that :) [23:04] greg-g: I finally figured out what the damn thing was wanting. :) [23:15] :) [23:21] how's it going greg-g? I see a grin, so things must be good. [23:28] gamerchick02: things aren't bad :) [23:29] gamerchick02: in DC, for about a week, for 3 events, then Portland next week for OSCON, so busy. Miss Rowan [23:29] but, we went backpacking in NorCal last week and that was awesome [23:29] I have the mosquito bites to prove it ;) [23:29] Lovely [23:30] Ive been happy with the lack of mosquitoes this way [23:30] It made me rethink my "no long button up shirts" rule [23:30] I think the dry weather really did them in [23:30] SF has zero, but the mountains had a ton [23:30] SF also is the worst place to be in the summer (constant fog, and about 58 degrees, ugh) [23:31] I'm OK with the 58 degrees, but the fog would drive me nuts [23:32] yeah, it is like seattle, but no rain (just the clouds) [23:33] the dampness is making my bones ache (hey, I'm 30, I can say that now) [23:33] heh [23:34] god, it didn't really start hitting until now, I'm 30. 30 years and 8 days. Wow. [23:36] cool! [23:36] greg-g, i'm 30, and yeah, i never had the bones aching before. ugh [23:37] dang oldness, where's the pill for this? [23:37] i'm going to be 31 come a week from Saturday. [23:37] oh, well, if I don't see you, Happy bday! [23:37] dunno. but if there was one, we'd have seen the commercials for it on TV. [23:37] :) i will [23:37] i'm going up to Saginaw and we're going to a picnic. [23:38] * snap-l mumbles something about damn kids [23:38] "Ask your doctor about DeAge, even though you probably aren't a good fit for it, and you are just doing things because the TV told you to" [23:40] LOL!!! [23:41] dang, you Newegg and your tempting deals!!! [23:41] * greg-g hates drug ads [23:41] i do too. [23:41] * gamerchick02 mumbles something about getting off my lawn [23:41] Oh, they're awesome. [23:41] newegg? [23:41] 150 side effects that all affect quality of life, and you're good to go [23:41] yes, newegg is awesome. [23:42] LOL [23:42] does anyone need cables> [23:42] ? not > [23:43] i've a promo code for 20% off cables. [23:43] ALL cables. [23:45] I'm cabled up for now, thanks [23:46] heh.