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| ailo | Seems like Fedora people are working on a PA/jack app | 19:42 |
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| scott-work | ailo: do you have a link? | 20:18 |
| ailo | scott-work: No, someone just mentioned it on opensourcemusicians | 20:27 |
| ailo | They are also packaging falktx app, Cadence | 20:27 |
| scott-work | that's cool :) i'm happy for him | 20:28 |
| ailo | I should probably extend the documentation for the sound system on Ubuntu. Since I use so little of it myself, makes me not realize some things | 21:27 |
| ailo | Didn't realize alsa works fine for many apps | 21:27 |
| len-dt | ailo, so long as something else isn't using it at the same time. | 21:28 |
| ailo | Not unlike jack, not that long ago | 21:29 |
| len-dt | Jack still blocks the alsa port it uses. | 21:29 |
| len-dt | PA is different. It doesn;t block, but gets blocked if you use the port it is using. | 21:30 |
| ailo | len-dt: jack has code in it that does that these days, suspending PA, if you set it to use the same device | 21:32 |
| ailo | Wasn't like that before | 21:32 |
| ailo | If you started jack when PA had that device, jack would not start | 21:32 |
| ailo | Also, the other way around | 21:33 |
| len-dt | I see. | 21:33 |
| len-dt | In any case there is a lot of confusion around jack, pulse alsa | 21:33 |
| ailo | Problem with alsa is that there's very little visible from guis | 21:34 |
| ailo | So, you need to know what's under the hood to get alsa | 21:34 |
| ailo | I mean, even from a laymans perspective | 21:34 |
| len-dt | The problem with alsa from desktop POV is that only one app can use it at a time. So if system sounds grabs it nothting else can. | 21:35 |
| ailo | Would make sense to have alsa tools just as we hace jack, and PA tools | 21:35 |
| len-dt | Pulse and jack mix more than one input. | 21:35 |
| len-dt | The alsa tools are there... just not GUI. | 21:36 |
| ailo | alsa wasn't like that before, I mean as a desktop sound system. But I don't really understand what is a alsa desktop sounds system | 21:36 |
| ailo | So, maybe I got something wrong now. Apps that support alsa have the alsa interface builtin, so they don't need any alsa server in between | 21:36 |
| ailo | That is why they grab the entire card | 21:37 |
| len-dt | Yup, that I figured out | 21:37 |
| len-dt | That is why arts, pulse etc showed up. | 21:37 |
| ailo | Which was the system before PA, arts? | 21:38 |
| ailo | Debian Squeeze doesn't have PA, I think? | 21:38 |
| len-dt | arts was kde | 21:38 |
| ailo | Oh, right | 21:38 |
| len-dt | There was another one gnome used. | 21:39 |
| len-dt | (yet another one) | 21:39 |
| ailo | So, it's always the app the chooses the audio device, when using alsa directly | 21:40 |
| astraljava | esound? | 21:40 |
| ailo | And no need for any other gui, except a mixer | 21:40 |
| len-dt | Yup | 21:40 |
| len-dt | astraljava, that sounds right | 21:40 |
| len-dt | qas has a nice mixer | 21:41 |
| len-dt | Actually the xfce mixer works ok for that too. | 21:45 |
| ailo | The last I looked at it, it looked fine | 21:45 |
| ailo | The docs just need more clarification on using Alsa with applications | 21:46 |
| ailo | More clarification in general | 21:46 |
| len-dt | ailo, just a thought. We were talking about setting PA not to start with the session. The only problem is that if the user selects sound settings from the tray icon, pavucontrol starts pulse anyway... | 21:46 |
| ailo | len-dt: Why would we want to disable pulse? | 21:47 |
| len-dt | There seem to be a whole lot of people asking how to get rid of PA | 21:47 |
| ailo | Ah, you mean how to it properly, after an install | 21:48 |
| len-dt | I was thinking of a conversation with a user we had a day or two ago. | 21:48 |
| ailo | Never tried to do that much myself | 21:48 |
| ailo | I figure, if someone really doesn't need multi application desktop audio, then maybe there would be a point to get rid of PA completely | 21:48 |
| len-dt | PA doesn't cause problems that I can see. The bridging can if PA/alsa is not set up right | 21:49 |
| len-dt | Once I have PA/alsa set up right, even bridging doesn't seem to have any impact | 21:49 |
| ailo | pasuspender does suspend PA, but once you try to start a web browser with flash, the flash audio plugin part gets stuck | 21:51 |
| len-dt | ailo, another topic... Scott has mentioned adding various apps in the bluprint... should we jsut add them? | 21:51 |
| len-dt | As it should | 21:51 |
| ailo | len-dt: Why not. We should not add the apps to the seeds without asking on the list, I guess | 21:52 |
| ailo | PA doesn't interrupt alsa AFAICS, when pasuspender is used | 21:53 |
| len-dt | if you are recording a vocal to tape the studio speakes should be off too, so with flash... it is still flick the right switch. | 21:53 |
| ailo | I think pasuspender is a nice short term solution | 21:53 |
| len-dt | Recording audio with a computer still requires some intelligence, just as recording to tape. | 21:54 |
| ailo | The Fedora audio people are probably going to create a gui with a start/stop for PA | 21:54 |
| ailo | I agree. | 21:54 |
| ailo | But it depends a bit on what you are doing | 21:54 |
| ailo | If you do multi channel studio recording, you need to know a lot of things | 21:55 |
| ailo | Can't just expect the tools to do things for you | 21:55 |
| len-dt | yes. A clear display of what is on and off would be nice. | 21:55 |
| len-dt | A switch panel | 21:56 |
| ailo | We could add that to controls. We just need to find a good way to shut off PA, and keep it shut off | 21:58 |
| len-dt | pasuspender will do that. Just tie it to a script that does wait forever. | 21:59 |
| ailo | There may be some problems still | 21:59 |
| len-dt | Kill the script when it should restart. | 21:59 |
| ailo | Actually, when I come to think about it, starting PA apps may cause xruns for jack, when using the same card, even if PA us suspended. Would need some testing | 22:00 |
| holstein | does this need tested in 12.10? | 22:02 |
| holstein | can we use 12.04 to test? | 22:02 |
| * holstein still running 10.04 ;) | 22:02 | |
| holstein | i have a normal ubuntu 12.04 install, but i rarely use it | 22:03 |
| ailo | holstein: 12.04 should be fine | 22:03 |
| ailo | Doesn't seem like much has changed yet. Same jack version | 22:03 |
| frewsxcv | Anyone know a good software synthesizer for Linux? | 22:03 |
| len-dt | Most of the changes in 12.10 are xfce from .8 to .10 | 22:04 |
| holstein | i need to go back to a testing partition on a seperate hard drive | 22:04 |
| ailo | frewsxcv: You could ask on #ubuntustudio or perhaps #opensourcemusicians, would be more appropriate | 22:04 |
| holstein | frewsxcv: zynadd, yoshimi... some soundfont player that plays whatever samples you want... linux sampler | 22:04 |
| holstein | xsynth, whysynth | 22:04 |
| frewsxcv | ailo: Yeah good call | 22:05 |
| holstein | i would try and catch [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians.. he's my go to MIDI guy | 22:05 |
| holstein | http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/ | 22:05 |
| holstein | ^^ thats from [lsd]'s site | 22:05 |
| ailo | Hey, that's a good site | 22:07 |
| ailo | I'll add it to our community wiki | 22:07 |
| holstein | yup.. he's quite the guru | 22:08 |
| len-dt | :) I was waiting for that... | 22:08 |
| frewsxcv | I remember the early days of this channel | 22:11 |
| frewsxcv | We'd have Tremulous tournaments | 22:11 |
| holstein | i had some nice tremulous battles over the holidays this past year.. with my family | 22:12 |
| frewsxcv | Does cory kantos still stop by? | 22:12 |
| astraljava | Kontros*, and no I don't think so. Haven't seen his nick in years, probably. | 22:27 |
| astraljava | All the oldies are gone; joejaxx, and the other founder... But that one gentleman from France just stopped by the other month. | 22:28 |
| astraljava | Come to think of it, Dan isn't here either, anymore. | 22:29 |
| astraljava | So it's probably Luke who's the senior in rank now. :) | 22:29 |
| astraljava | ttoine is the nick I was thinking of. | 22:31 |
| ailo | Apparently for me, jack did not suspend PA anymore | 23:56 |
| ailo | Only works if no app is using PA | 23:57 |
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