[00:56] <IdleOne> AlanBell: would it be possible to get meetingology to join #ubuntu-ca. There is interest in testing it and perhaps use it on a permanent basis.
[12:01] <Destine> hi
[12:01] <x1k> Good morning
[12:01] <head_victim> Evening all
[12:01] <x1k> hello
[12:01] <hggdh> good morning
[12:02] <inashdeen> Hi
[12:03] <inashdeen> the meeting is about time, right ? just want to make sure that i did not go to the wrong place
[12:03] <head_victim> inashdeen: indeed, we're about to start I believe
[12:03] <x1k> I hope so, kinda took some vacation time from work :-)
[12:04] <sagaci> good luck
[12:04] <Pendulum> Everyone ready to start?
[12:04] <x1k> Yes
[12:04] <hggdh> yes
[12:04] <Pendulum> #startmeeting
[12:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul 11 12:04:56 2012 UTC.  The chair is Pendulum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[12:05] <Pendulum> #voters head_victim Pendulum Destine hggdh micahg
[12:05] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum head_victim hggdh micahg
[12:05] <Pendulum> Welcome to the 12:00 UTC Membership Board Meeting
[12:06] <Pendulum> We will go through applications in the order they were added to the wiki. When we get to your application, please introduce yourself a little including your wiki and launchpage pages. Good luck everyone!
[12:06] <Pendulum> Okay, it looks like the first applicant isn't here
[12:06] <Pendulum> inashdeen: You're up. Please introduce yourself.
[12:07] <inashdeen> Hi, my name is Muhammad Ihsan Khalib Jaafar or simply ihsan jaafar. this is my wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/inashdeen and here is my launchpad https://launchpad.net/~inashdeen
[12:08] <inashdeen> I am sorry, but I have a slight anxiety disorder. Is there anything else I should elaborate?
[12:08] <head_victim> inashdeen: while we read over your application can you tell us a little about your recent works.
[12:09] <head_victim> I notice a lot of your wiki page is detailing projects outside the Ubuntu sphere so perhaps you can highlight some of the Ubuntu specific contributions
[12:10] <inashdeen> Just before my examinations, I just finished on my Jawi Keyboard Layout. First of all, Jawi is the keyboard layout for traditional malay. A friend of mine shared on our facebook that there is no Ubuntu alternatives for this. So I built one
[12:11] <inashdeen> My second prime contribution is on Ubuntu malay translation. I am now the deputy head for translation. So far, we manage to finish 10,000 translation in 30 days
[12:12] <inashdeen> My latest, which is not detailed in the wiki in my involvement on a survey soon will be done to see how Malaysian accepting Ubuntu so far
[12:12] <head_victim> It looks like you recently moved from Malaysia to Egypt, have you been able to connect to the Egypt team?
[12:13] <inashdeen> Yes, I do. I made friends like Mr. Toulan ( he notes a comment on my recommendations). I even when for their release party. But due to language barrier, I prefer working with Ubuntu-my
[12:16] <Pendulum> inashdeen: we've noticed that much of your translations work has been in the past couple months. What were you doing with Ubuntu before that?
[12:16] <head_victim> inashdeen: so one of the requirements of membership is to show significant and sustained contirbutions, a lot of your contributions seem to be fairly recent. Do you have much going back 3 - 6 months ago
[12:16] <inashdeen> I wrote several e-books and tutorial regarding Ubuntu, for a while. I will give those.
[12:18] <inashdeen> this is a tutorial I did to use lowratevoip on Ubuntu http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Tutorial_Menggunakan_lowratevoip_dalam_Ubuntu . Most malaysians in egypt called to malaysia. Hence, This knowledge is important for us if new Malaysian users would like to use lowratevoip on ubuntu
[12:19] <inashdeen> this is another e-book i wrote on how to modify ubuntu to have more effects http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Tutorial_Menggunakan_lowratevoip_dalam_Ubuntu
[12:19] <inashdeen> sorry
[12:20] <inashdeen> I am sorry,but apparently the book was removed from mediafire.
[12:20] <head_victim> inashdeen: sorry, we're not ignoring you just having some discussions behind doors.
[12:21] <inashdeen> here is another tutorial I wrote about why Ubuntu is better than Mint, http://wiki.ubuntu.com.my/Pro_dan_cons_Mint_berbanding_Ubuntu
[12:21] <inashdeen> My involvement in Remaja Linux ( or Malaysian Linux Teen ) is now roughly a year. And most of our discussion, revolves around Ubuntu.
[12:24] <head_victim> inashdeen: just to give you some feedback, we're thinking you're doing some great work currently but looking to ensure it's been sustained
[12:25] <inashdeen> I am :). previously, I am doing mostly on ground. that is before I got mentored.
[12:25] <inashdeen> I am doing continous contributions, the problem is, it was never documented. That is why most of the things were recent
[12:26] <Pendulum> inashdeen: is there anyone from an Ubuntu team you've worked with who can poke their head in to say how long they've been working with you?
[12:26] <inashdeen> Like I built Lexa Download Manager, Zekr Bug Fixes. That was all around more than a year. and Open book database. My contributions, despite not systematic was continous and I pledge to continue
[12:26] <inashdeen> can I call somebody?
[12:27] <hggdh> in
[12:27] <hggdh> yes
[12:27] <inashdeen> hotfloppy:
[12:28] <hotfloppy> inashdeen, ya.
[12:28] <inashdeen> They just would like to see if you could second on my contribtuons on Malaysia Loco Team
[12:29] <Pendulum> hotfloppy: inashdeen is going for Ubuntu membership. Can you tell us a little about how you've worked with him and for how long?
[12:29] <hotfloppy> Pendulum, yes sure.
[12:31] <hotfloppy> inashdeen is one of our (Ubuntu-MY) main contributor mostly in translator team, helping others with their issue regarding Ubuntu as Ubuntu just recently got popular here in Malaysia.
[12:31] <head_victim> hotfloppy: do you have any examples of his work on ubuntu going back more than a month? His launchpad karma shows activity only for the last month and not much prior to that
[12:31] <mfauzirahman> I know inashdeen from https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntumy/
[12:32] <mfauzirahman> he did create some docs for reference for our ubuntu member...https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntumy/files/ (Ihsan Salam is his fabcebook name)
[12:33] <hotfloppy> head_victim, yeah. Hold on k
[12:34] <inashdeen> head_victim : how bout Linux winter campaign? that has been going on for a 10 months
[12:34] <head_victim> inashdeen: is that Ubuntu related or general Linux work?
[12:34] <inashdeen> I distributed free Linux CDs ( Ubuntu 11.10 and 12.04)
[12:35] <inashdeen> and sometimes, Ubuntu derivatives like Sabily since Sabily is ubuntu for muslim and my focus in on Religious studies student
[12:35] <hotfloppy> inashdeen, don't forget your beautiful Intel-like Ubuntu sticker during those campaign :)
[12:35] <inashdeen> thank you :)
[12:36] <Pendulum> Okay, I think we're ready to vote.
[12:37] <Pendulum> #voters cyphermox head_victim hggdh Destine micahg Pendulum
[12:37] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum cyphermox head_victim hggdh micahg
[12:37] <Pendulum> #vote Please vote on inashdeen for Ubuntu Membership
[12:37] <meetingology> Please vote on: Please vote on inashdeen for Ubuntu Membership
[12:37] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[12:37] <head_victim> +0
[12:37] <meetingology> +0 received from head_victim
[12:37] <mfauzirahman> +1
[12:37] <hggdh> +0 -- strong recent work for Ubuntu, but lacks demostrable sustained work. Please add more *sustained* examples of UBuntu work (older work) to the wiki
[12:37] <meetingology> +0 -- strong recent work for Ubuntu, but lacks demostrable sustained work. Please add more *sustained* examples of UBuntu work (older work) to the wiki received from hggdh
[12:37] <micahg> +0 same as hggdh
[12:37] <meetingology> +0 same as hggdh received from micahg
[12:38] <cyphermox> +0 -- agreeing with others; the contributions are awesome but I would like to see them span on a longer period of time.
[12:38] <meetingology> +0 -- agreeing with others; the contributions are awesome but I would like to see them span on a longer period of time. received from cyphermox
[12:38] <head_victim> I think you are doing some awesome work but I can't see that it's been sustained as per the requirements. If you were to come back in 2 -3 months time with documentation of your continued efforts I would be more than happy to +1 then I think
[12:38] <Pendulum> +0 I really like your recent contributions, but we'd like to see some more time.
[12:38] <meetingology> +0 I really like your recent contributions, but we'd like to see some more time. received from Pendulum
[12:39] <hggdh> indeed, I would certainly give you a +1
[12:39] <Pendulum> #endvote
[12:39] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Please vote on inashdeen for Ubuntu Membership
[12:39] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:5
[12:39] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[12:39] <inashdeen> ok, thank you very much for the time :) Would try harder next time.
[12:39] <head_victim> inashdeen: I think you're trying hard now so don't be too disheartened. As long as it's continued for a while you'll be a shoe in
[12:39] <hggdh> inashdeen: please add examples of older work on your wiki
[12:40] <head_victim> It's just hard for us when the documentation only really shows activity for a month.
[12:40] <Pendulum> inashdeen: We really spent quite a bit of time discussing this. All we really need to see is more documentation showing sustained contribution to Ubuntu projects (not just general Linux projects)
[12:40] <Pendulum> So do please come back in a few months!
[12:40] <inashdeen> ok, I accept it with open heart
[12:40] <Pendulum> okay, next up
[12:40] <Pendulum> x1k: Please introduce yourself
[12:41] <x1k> LaunchPad: https://launchpad.net/~l.caputo
[12:41] <x1k> Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LCaputo
[12:41] <x1k> Good morning board members, my name is Luke Caputo. I turn 26 next week and have been an Ubuntu and Open Source enthusiast since 2005. My contributions to Ubuntu have been almost entirely to the community projects, as I am not a confident developer quite yet. However, I am involved in testing new proposed releases. I am incredibly interested in Ubuntu development, so I will be pushing hard in that direction soon. I also plan to
[12:41] <head_victim> inashdeen: and if you're not sure how you're going please feel free to drop us a line and we can give you feedback
[12:41] <head_victim> x1k: Never fear, community work is important as well. I am never likely to be a Ubuntu developer but still find ways to contribute
[12:41] <ejat> sorry ..
[12:42] <x1k> I am currently working on converting and recruiting some members to strengthen the PA LoCo team in my area. Due to the nature of my job, I often jump around states often, but since I am in PA for a good long time (hopefully), I would like to see more support and members in my area.
[12:43] <head_victim> x1k: your wiki page says a lot about what you've planned to do or what you hope to do, do you have any documentation about what you have done to date?
[12:43] <x1k> A local Penn State affiliate apparently has a good IT program, so I am currently petitioning students to jump on the bandwagon
[12:44] <x1k> head_victim: The vast majority of my work is in IRC. Though, I sometimes work with the Bug Squad andsome other groups on Launchpad.. It's not my strong skills by any means though.
[12:45] <head_victim> x1k: and is there anyone who is able to vouch for these contributions?
[12:45] <x1k> I created my Launchpad in 2008, and there is some history within my karma.
[12:46] <x1k> Unfortunately, no. I have asked people that I have helped in IRC to add a 'thank you' or testimony to my Wiki, but that hasn't quite received the response that I was hoping for.
[12:47] <Pendulum> x1k: Is there anyone who has seen your work on IRC who you could invite in here now to support you?
[12:47] <hggdh> x1k: which channels in IRC are you mostly active?
[12:48] <x1k> I can send out some feelers to see!
[12:49] <Pendulum> x1k: Why do you want to be an Ubuntu Member?
[12:49] <head_victim> x1k: which channels do you do your best work in?
[12:50] <ejat> x1k: are u actively join the Pennsylvania loco activity ?
[12:50] <x1k> #ubuntu is my primary channel of support, although recently I have diverted some of my efforts to AskUbuntu since I believe that it is a more new-user-friendly method of obtaining support
[12:51] <x1k> Not to take for IRC AT ALL, but a lot of brand new users have never heard of IRC.
[12:51] <x1k> I have been a member of PA LoCo since 2008, when I started my Launchpad account.
[12:52] <x1k> Pendulum: Ubuntu Membership is important to me because I want to continue to support an AWESOME community.
[12:53] <x1k> As I slowly start to get into development, I hope that my contributions will be much larger in the sense of contribution to the project.
[12:53] <Pendulum> x1k: I know you've been in the LP team for 4 years, but have you actually worked with them on anything? Or gone to any events?
[12:53] <Pendulum> sorry, that was regarding the PA LoCo
[12:53] <x1k> Once again, not taking from the validity of contribution to IRC, AT ALL.
[12:54] <Myrtti> x1k: what nickname have you been using in #ubuntu mostly?
[12:55] <x1k> I live in rural PA, many hours away from anything worth going to.. And while I lived out of state, my participation has been limited.
[12:56] <x1k> Which is why a local LoCo within PA LoCo is something that I am pushing hard for. We have a lot of potential in the area, but everything Ubuntu, Linux, and Open Source is 5+ hours away.
[12:56] <x1k> Myrtti: Oh the nick issue... I am a man of many names :-)
[12:57] <Myrtti> x1k: it's a bit difficult to verify your contributions in #ubuntu if you use many nicknames :-/
[12:57] <x1k> x1k, xlukasx, lukas, x1karr0usx, xikarrousx, ikarrous.. after that, I have no idea what handles I have used, unfortunately
[12:58] <hggdh> I am all for anonimity, but I am also for consistency. I cannot verify your work
[12:58] <head_victim> x1k: the problem we're having is proving significant and sustained contributions when there are no testimonials and no real significant history on launchpad.
[12:59] <Myrtti> or on IRC logs
[12:59] <x1k> If someone had an issue, it was dealt with through '/msg'.. up until recently when I tried searching through IRC logs on old nicks and realized that support via '/msg' is bad practice
[12:59] <x1k> If that is your consensus, then I will rejoin the board at a later date, hopefully with someone to back me up.
[12:59] <head_victim> x1k: ah then of course we're not going to be able to find it. What I'd suggest then is to make sure you do all your contributions in the public from now on and show a sustained contribution that way and return when there is a bit of history.
[13:00] <x1k> However, I have been contributing a ton of my free time to Ubuntu user support for the the past 5-6 years.
[13:00] <Pendulum> #vote x1k's application for Ubuntu membership
[13:00] <meetingology> Please vote on: x1k's application for Ubuntu membership
[13:00] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[13:01] <mfauzirahman> -1
[13:01] <hggdh> -1 no verifiable sustained contributions for Ubuntu
[13:01] <meetingology> -1 no verifiable sustained contributions for Ubuntu received from hggdh
[13:01] <head_victim> -1 for now, if you can return in 3 months with some verified contributions I'd be more than happy to change that
[13:01] <meetingology> -1 for now, if you can return in 3 months with some verified contributions I'd be more than happy to change that received from head_victim
[13:01] <head_victim> mfauzirahman: only board members can vote sorry.
[13:02] <Pendulum> -1 Please come back in a few months when you can show some varifiable sustained contribution.
[13:02] <meetingology> -1 Please come back in a few months when you can show some varifiable sustained contribution. received from Pendulum
[13:02] <x1k> Thank you for using the keyword "verifiable", as to not take from my contributions
[13:02] <mfauzirahman> sorry
[13:03] <head_victim> x1k: if you help out in #ubuntu I'm sure you'll get to know the regulars and when you apply next time ask them to give you a testimonial.
[13:03] <cyphermox> +0, abstaining; but agreeing with others
[13:03] <meetingology> +0, abstaining; but agreeing with others received from cyphermox
[13:03] <x1k> And my karma history does not give me any credit as having contributed since 2008?
[13:03] <Pendulum> #endvote
[13:03] <meetingology> Voting ended on: x1k's application for Ubuntu membership
[13:03] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:3 Abstentions:1
[13:03] <meetingology> Motion denied
[13:03] <head_victim> x1k: as board members we work closely with all groups so we are able to rely on testimonials
[13:04] <cyphermox> x1k: well actually, karma does expire, but there is other ways to get history
[13:04] <head_victim> So if you were to get testimonials from other #ubuntu regulars we'd be able to verify the support :)
[13:04] <hggdh> x1k: no, unfortunately. I also searched for bugs from you,m and got 8 bugs back
[13:04] <x1k> cyphermox: right, but the history of contributions are still visable.
[13:04] <cyphermox> x1k: yes :)
[13:04] <Pendulum> x1k: but they're not the contributions you're using to get membership.
[13:05] <Pendulum> anyway, that is it for this meeting.
[13:05] <Pendulum> #endmeeting
[13:05] <x1k> Pendulum: Are you not looking at 'all' contributions to the project? Just making sure that I am coming back at this correctly..
[13:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jul 11 13:05:27 2012 UTC.
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[13:05] <head_victim> x1k: when you think you're ready for another go please feel free to ask for feedback prior and we can try to help you with your application if you like
[13:05] <hggdh> x1k: all contributions are used
[13:06] <x1k> Thank you all
[13:06] <cyphermox> x1k: I guess it was bad wording, yes, we look at all contributions
[13:06] <inashdeen> thank you all for the time. I hope I could perfom better next time. if there is anything i need to know about, do email me at inashdeen@gmail.com sorry for the time and thanks
[13:06] <hggdh> x1k: but we have to be able to verify them; testimonials from active people also help a lot
[13:06] <Pendulum> yeah, it's just launchpad doesn't show substantial contributions
[13:06] <head_victim> inashdeen: just keep up what you're doing and you'll be fine I believe
[13:07] <Pendulum> x1k: also, use your loco. I know there are people in it who can help you with a stronger application. It sounds like you've been doing good work, we just can't varify it.
[13:07] <cyphermox> x1k: what Pendulum meant I guess is that your launchpad page doesn't have a whole lot of things, and not over a long enough period to be considered "sustained" contributions, and unfortunately we can't verify your IRC contributions because you have no testimonials and nobody we asked could vouch for you
[13:08] <x1k> Understandable. I am not arguing, just ensuring that I am set up for the next go around :-)
[13:08] <cyphermox> x1k: I'd very much like to be able to +1 you in a couple of months when we you can get testimonials or a bit more stuff to show :)
[13:08] <Pendulum> cyphermox: +1
[13:08] <IdleOne> o/
[13:10] <x1k> Okay, back to work. Thanks again everyone.
[14:09]  * balloons waves
[14:09] <balloons> I guess I'm crazy -- I can't seem to start the meeting.. none of my messages are showing up :-(
[14:13] <phillw> balloons: do you want me to try?
[14:13] <balloons> phillw, sure
[14:13] <phillw> #startmeeting
[14:13] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul 11 14:13:34 2012 UTC.  The chair is phillw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:13] <phillw> #chair balloons
[14:13] <meetingology> Current chairs: balloons phillw
[14:14] <balloons> I hit that so many times.. nothing showed..
[14:14] <balloons> zzzzzzz
[14:14] <balloons> anyways, who's all here?
[14:15] <balloons> heh, let's go look at the topics we have
[14:15] <phillw> hmm, looks like a short meeting!
[14:16] <balloons> yes, which is just as well
[14:16] <balloons> [Topic] Ubuntu Updates
[14:16] <balloons> hey! it worked
[14:17] <balloons> so updates for ubuntu.. well, the desktop stuff is starting to land. We've had the kernel call for testing going on, and added the twist of trying to ensure we have a range of hardware being tested
[14:18] <balloons> unity is on the radar to start going through some testing iterations I hope, and i suspect we'll also start to see more special testing runs as features start to land
[14:19] <balloons> alpha 3 should be a few things, and the period between it and beta will be busy!
[14:22] <balloons> Also, I'm started looking at the ARM testcases and will be asking around for folks interested in ARM soon
[14:23] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates
[14:23] <balloons> phillw, since your here.. take the lead
[14:23] <phillw> in terms of things landing, we're similar to ubuntu. The applications we're going to ship are now getting added
[14:23] <phillw> bug 1018533 has been resolved
[14:24] <phillw> however bug 1007394 really needs a bit of love, as it completely blocks the ppc alternate.
[14:25] <phillw> I'm, not sure as to if to raise its importance to critical as it stops the installation deaed?
[14:25] <balloons> ohh, inreresting
[14:25] <phillw> *dead*
[14:26] <balloons> yes, for the ppc image it's dead right/
[14:26] <balloons> btw, how's the no firefox ppc build bug coming along?
[14:26] <phillw> julien is still working on it, and has included another browser for the time being (the name of which escapes me!).
[14:27] <balloons> gotcha
[14:28] <phillw> Midori
[14:28] <balloons> yes, pretty neat little browser
[14:29] <phillw> that's all to report from lubuntu.
[14:31] <balloons> alright, let's see if any other flavors are here and wish to speak up?
[14:32] <balloons> kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu studio, edubuntu, mythbuntu?
[14:33] <balloons> If not, we'll move on
[14:34] <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics
[14:34] <balloons> Ok, lastly does anyone have anything else they wish to add to the agenda?
[14:36] <balloons> ok, so I'll just finish my final pieces
[14:37] <balloons> I wanted to highlight again that we're doing daily iso tests this week as part of our 2 week cadence for testing the dailies
[14:37] <balloons> phillw, I'll bring up that bug btw.. thanks for bringing it to my attn
[14:38] <balloons> If your doing any installs or messing around with the daily cd's this week, please file reports of success of failure against the dailies.
[14:39] <balloons> I think that's all folks!
[14:39] <balloons> #endmeeting
[14:39] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jul 11 14:39:51 2012 UTC.
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[15:02] <cjwatson> All right, let's see, who do we have today
[15:02] <bdmurray> o/
[15:02] <ev> hi
[15:03] <stokachu> o/
[15:03]  * ogra_ slurps his fresh coffee
[15:04] <cjwatson> $ echo $(shuf -e barry bdmurray cjwatson ev ogra stgraber stokachu xnox)
[15:04] <cjwatson> cjwatson stokachu ev bdmurray barry ogra xnox stgraber
[15:04] <cjwatson> Oops, except for xnox
[15:04] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jul 11 15:04:42 2012 UTC.  The chair is cjwatson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:04] <cjwatson> #topic lightning round
[15:04] <cjwatson> Launchpad and archive admin tools:
[15:04] <cjwatson>  * API queue client will be feature-complete once the current state of devel is QAed and deployed.
[15:04] <cjwatson>  * Went through all archive admin tools based on the old queue script and either migrated them to the API (new-binary-debian-universe, kernel-overrides) or dropped them (new-remove-duplicates).
[15:05] <cjwatson>  * Fixed privacy bug in PackageUpload API.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  * Tweaked auto-sync to take advantage of new PackageUpload API work.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  * Landed work to automatically copy package description translations between pockets (awaiting deployment).
[15:05] <cjwatson> Installer:
[15:05] <cjwatson>  * Worked with xnox to track down and fix bug 1020574.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  * Removed reliance on an old X server argument for Plymouth transitioning (bug 1019377).
[15:05] <cjwatson>  * Worked on tracking down bug 1023036.  No real luck as yet.
[15:05] <cjwatson> Other:
[15:05] <cjwatson>  * Cleaned up various bugs (mostly related to the switch to Python 3 or to recent package splits) in software-properties, update-manager, and ubuntu-release-upgrader.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  * Some progress on converting the server image to use a squashfs for the base system.
[15:05] <cjwatson>  * Fixed up compiler warnings in jbigkit, allowing it to be moved to main (bug 993304) and hence allowing syncs of tiff and tiff3.
[15:05] <cjwatson> ..
[15:05] <stokachu> bug #977947 - needs sponsor
[15:05] <cjwatson> Also 1023036 is currently impeded by the dh_python3 regression being discussed on -devel
[15:05] <stokachu> bug #977952 - needs sponsor
[15:05] <stokachu> bug #977940 - needs sponsor
[15:05] <stokachu> bug #977959 - in progress
[15:05] <stokachu> bug #932860 - in progress
[15:06] <stokachu> bug #979661 - (precise) verified/fix released
[15:06] <stokachu> bug #890928 - (precise) verified/fix released
[15:06] <stokachu> bug #992352 - (precise) verified/fix released
[15:06] <stokachu> bug #578536 - patched version sent to one of affected users who's been testing it for 3 weeks on systems automounting ~13k mounts with great success. Will know their final testing results tomorrow and will start the process of getting an SRU approved.
[15:06] <stokachu> - Working +1 this month, started going through universe failed builds.
[15:06] <stokachu> - Vacation next week.
[15:06] <cjwatson> Anyone want to volunteer to help out stokachu with sponsorships?
[15:06] <stokachu> ...
[15:06] <ev> - Short week; holiday on Tuesday.
[15:06] <ev> - Lots of work on the debconf GTK+ redesign:
[15:06] <ev>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#When_there_is_a_Debconf_prompt
[15:06] <ev>   - Built a new set of tests around the dialogs. There were a lot of things
[15:06] <ev>     that were already broken that this caught, like the password dialog not
[15:06] <ev>     handling a default one.
[15:06] <ev>   - Implemented all of the dialog types. Just need to handle packing the
[15:06] <ev>     select and multiselect types into a scrolled window when there's more than
[15:06] <ev>     6 items.
[15:06] <ev>   - Started documenting how people can contribute to errors.ubuntu.com and
[15:06] <ev>     dumping my personal todo list into bug reports:
[15:06] <ev>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker/Contributing
[15:06] <ev>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker/Contributing/Debconf
[15:06] <ev> - Sat down with Matthew to come up for a better design to the compiz/apport
[15:06] <ev>   application hang dialog. The implementation is mostly there, but I'll need
[15:06] <ev>   to spend at least a day on the changes he's going to create as a result of
[15:06] <ev>   our discussion.
[15:06] <ev> - Continued discussion with Martin over my API for applications handling
[15:06] <ev>   recoverable errors in apport. We have a fairly straightforward plan that
[15:06] <ev>   involves passing the data over stdout to a special apport binary,
[15:06] <ev>   nul-separated. This replaces the existing attempt at a solution which used
[15:07] <ogra_> .. ?
[15:07] <stokachu> i think he flooded himself offline
[15:07] <ogra_> haha
[15:07] <ev> what, me?
[15:07] <cjwatson> 16:06 <ev>   nul-separated. This replaces the existing attempt at a solution which used
[15:07] <cjwatson> (end)
[15:07] <ev> I HATE IRC
[15:07] <stokachu> lol
[15:07] <ev>   nul-separated. This replaces the existing attempt at a solution which used
[15:07] <ev>   DBus.
[15:07] <ev> (done)
[15:08] <bdmurray> development of arsenal and python-launchpadlib-toolkit search filtering for reopened bug tasks and days in status
[15:08] <bdmurray> SRU verification of apport bug 1002535
[15:08] <bdmurray> investigation into and fixing of apport-package bugs not being tagged package-conflict and not having a DuplicateSignature.txt
[15:08] <bdmurray> apport fix for parsing DpkgTerminalLog in python 3 (bytes vs strings)
[15:08] <bdmurray> upload apt-clone modification to remove usernames and passwords for apt source files
[15:08] <bdmurray> ubuntu-release-upgrader modification to gather apt-clone system state again
[15:08] <bdmurray> some holidays last week
[15:08] <bdmurray> ⌁ done ⌁
[15:09] <barry> status for two weeks since last wed was a usa holiday: rather weird couple of weeks because of weather issues, but anyway.  bug 1018579, bug 1016170, bug 1019618, bug 823150, spun python-mode 6.0.10 for debian.  worked a bit on dbus merge sid->quantal but it's tricky so stalled.  i continue to work on port of xapian to python 3 via cython.  mostly going well, but it's make-progress-hit-roadblock-rinse-repeat.
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[15:09] <barry>  
[15:09] <ogra_> done:
[15:09] <ogra_> * made mx5 images work again (very hard to do if you cant do testbuilds (the arm livefs builder is constantly occupied))
[15:09] <ogra_> * many fixes for ac100 images (still not 100% done though)
[15:09] <ogra_> * started packaging a new nvidia-tegra hardfloat driver (v15 final)
[15:09] <ogra_> * kernel and image testing for omap3
[15:09] <ogra_> * was painfully trying to get a 2 graphics cards 3 monitor setup on my new desktop running
[15:09] <ogra_> * some work on foundations-q-hwpack-integration
[15:09] <ogra_> * digged up java 12.10 plans for the release team
[15:09] <barry> cjwatson: re: bug 1016170 could be grub/efi problem?
[15:09] <ogra_> todo:
[15:09] <ogra_> * more foundations-q-hwpack-integration
[15:10] <ogra_> * research QA setup for arm testing more
[15:10] <ogra_> ✓
[15:10] <stgraber> oh, already :)
[15:10] <stgraber> - Containers
[15:10] <stgraber>  - Some more apparmor improvements in quantal.
[15:10] <stgraber>  - Pushed SRU to -proposed bundling most of the fixes from quantal (2 important fixes, 2 common wishlist and 4 minor fixes)
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Implemented clone() in python API, defined next steps for LXC API with Serge. Fixed some bugs in the python module.
[15:11] <stgraber> - Installer
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Merged os-prober
[15:11] <cjwatson> barry: possibly; I have no bandwidth to investigate at the moment though :-(
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Debugged a weird IPv6 regression, tracked down to bug 1023174
[15:11] <stgraber> - ISO tracker
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Fixed all minor bugs identified during alpha-2 testing, deployment waiting on IS
[15:11] <stgraber> - Networking
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Got IPv6 testing working again on quantal, simplified the code to be pretty self-contained (no longer requires IPv6 connectivity), next step is to send that to QA.
[15:11] <stgraber>  - bug 1023437
[15:11] <stgraber> - Other
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Finally got around to merging open-iscsi, first time since jaunty... ended up dropping all our delta except for the upstart job, added some glue to handle the upgrades and now finishing to test in d-i.
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Some ARB app review, the app showdown made the ARB New queue reach 140 packages... Still over 20 or so to review today...
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Patch pilot on Monday
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Spent a few minutes dealing with a compiz regression in a copied SRU (uploaded a revert).
[15:11] <stgraber> - TODO this week
[15:11] <barry> cjwatson: no worries, it's not fatal.  at least i have a machine to debug with if you need
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Finish reviewing/triaging ppp and libnl-3 bugs, then start looking at SRUs for the network packages.
[15:11] <stgraber>  - Go through the pending-sru and help for these that are stuck on verification-needed
[15:11] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:13] <stgraber> stokachu: so that's 977947, 977952 and 977940 that are ready for sponsoring?
[15:13] <stokachu> stgraber: yea 2 of them are merge proposals i believe
[15:14] <stokachu> stgraber: ones got a debdiff attached
[15:14] <stgraber> stokachu: ok. I'll add to my todo, hopefully I can get to it this afternoon
[15:14] <stokachu> stgraber: cool man
[15:16] <cjwatson> #topic bugs
[15:16] <bdmurray> bug 1006860 seems to have a patch in it now
[15:16] <cjwatson> anyone have anything we need to be looking at?  as mentioned earlier, my attention's mostly on 1023036 once the python3 bit gets fixed
[15:17] <stokachu> other than the 2 bugs im in progress on, are there other multiarch that need attention?
[15:18] <cjwatson> bdmurray: seb128 and tvoss were discussing that earlier on -devel; seb128 was going to grab doko about it when he's next online
[15:18] <bdmurray> cjwatson: got it thanks
[15:19] <bdmurray> bug 1022864 just came into the rls-q queue
[15:19] <cjwatson> stokachu: there's bug 990761 in partner; infinity was looking at that yesterday, but might not mind having it taken off him.  (I think my last comment in that bug may be a bit simplistic, since it's not clear that acroread has been converted to expect multiarch; there's more detail in the duplicate bug 998837.)
[15:19] <stokachu> these last two finish the requirements needed for lotus notes on amd64
[15:19] <cjwatson> 1022864 is such a BS critical :)
[15:19]  * cjwatson drops to high
[15:20] <stokachu> cjwatson: want me to put those on my list?
[15:20] <cjwatson> stokachu: If you wouldn't mind, I think it'd be helpful
[15:21] <stokachu> cjwatson: ok ive got them added to be worked on
[15:21] <cjwatson> Does anyone know what deals with gtk-theme migration?  it's not ubuntu-release-upgrader, and I suspect it's something in desktop
[15:21] <ev> no idea
[15:22] <cjwatson> Maybe gsettings-desktop-schemas since that ships that gsettings schema
[15:22] <bdmurray> if it is affecting precise is the ubuntu-release-upgrader task really accurate?
[15:22] <cjwatson> bdmurray: Probably not, but it's inaccurate anyway
[15:23] <cjwatson> Sent over to gsettings-desktop-schema and desktop can worry about it
[15:25] <cjwatson> bug 1021293 has also come up for 12.04, and so far I haven't had time to figure it out
[15:26] <stokachu> i'd take it but i think im at my threshold
[15:26] <cjwatson> Yeah, I may still get to it after all but wanted to mention it
[15:27] <stokachu> ill add it to my list anyway and see if i can contribute
[15:27] <cjwatson> OK.  Suspect it needs strace -f attached at an appropriate point, since it already has debconf debugging and that isn't being informative enough
[15:28] <cjwatson> #topic AOB
[15:28] <cjwatson> anything else?
[15:29] <stokachu> oh
[15:29] <stokachu> +1 is it recommended to use pbuilder or sbuild?
[15:29] <stokachu> ive just been using pbuilder but it sounds like sbuild can do some sort of resume building
[15:29]  * barry prefers sbuild
[15:30] <ev> stokachu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/PreferredTechnologies#Building
[15:30] <stokachu> launchpad uses sbuild for their build service correct?
[15:30] <stokachu> ev: awesome! thanks
[15:30] <barry> stokachu: sbuild has lots of nice hooks, and when the build goes awry, you can do several things to help with debugging
[15:31] <stokachu> awesome thats what i needed
[15:31] <barry> stokachu: also: http://www.wefearchange.org/2011/09/sbuild-with-local-newer-dependencies.html
[15:31] <stokachu> barry: nice got it bookmarked :D
[15:32] <cjwatson> stokachu: Launchpad uses an old fork of sbuild
[15:32] <cjwatson> One of these days maybe we'll get it current
[15:33] <cjwatson> But yeah, that would be my recommendation too
[15:33] <stokachu> ok sweet, thanks guys
[15:34] <cjwatson> all right
[15:34] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[15:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Jul 11 15:34:48 2012 UTC.
[15:34] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-11-15.04.moin.txt
[15:34] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-11-15.04.html
[15:34] <cjwatson> thanks all :)
[15:34] <stgraber> thanks!
[15:34] <ogra_> thanks cjwatson !
[15:35] <stokachu> o/
[15:36] <barry> thanks!
[15:36] <ev> thanks!