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brobostigongood morning everyone.07:15
dwatkinshello brobostigon and anyone else watching this window/tab07:19
brobostigonhello dwatkins07:19
arsenmorning all :)07:28
popeymorning07:38
popeyanyone used remote desktop with virtualbox? it implies you can RDP to a VM from another host but it doesn't seem to enable for me.07:38
popeyI have "Enable server" and port 3389 set in virtualbox07:39
popeybut the port isn't open07:39
dwatkinsyou might have to do port stuffs to enable it, popey - I vaguely remember doing that for ssh07:39
popeyits on the LAN07:39
popeywhat do you mean by "port stuffs"07:39
dwatkinspopey: effectively allowing the port to be forwarded by its NAT virtual firewall07:40
dwatkins...or is it bridged?07:40
popeyno, you remote to the host IP07:40
popeyso the documentation says07:40
dwatkinsI assume it's enabled in the guest OS07:41
popeyno07:41
popeyits not a feature of the guest07:41
popeyits a feature of virtualbox07:41
dwatkinsoh that, it's a different port, iirc07:41
popeyit says 338907:41
popeybut remmina on the box next to it can't connect07:41
popey"Unable to connect to RDP server 10.10.10.131"07:41
dwatkinsdoes it even initiate the connection if you telnet to that IP/port?07:42
popeyno07:42
popeyyet its "enabled" in virtualbox07:42
popeyand I have guest additions installed07:42
dwatkinsif you use the cmdline VBoxManage option to show options, is vrde on?07:42
dwatkinsI don't have a machine here, but that shouldn't be too difficult to find in its --help options07:43
dwatkins"Even when the extension is installed, the VRDP server is disabled by default. It can easily be enabled on a per-VM basis either in the VirtualBox Manager in the "Display" settings (see the section called “Display settings”) or with VBoxManage"07:46
popeyits enabled in the menu and in the settings dialog07:46
diploMorning all07:47
dwatkinsI wonder if the entire service needs restarting for it to take effect, popey07:48
popeyhttp://popey.com/~alan/vbox.png07:49
popeyperhaps..07:49
popeynope07:50
popeygonna just vnc to the guest, i know that will work :(07:50
dwatkinsyeah :-/07:50
dwatkinsI wonder if x11vnc works on the RPi yet...07:50
popeyhaha, oops07:52
popeyvnc to the guest IP gets me VNC to the host!07:52
dwatkinssounds like it's NAT'ed07:52
popeybridged07:52
popeyoh, no, wrong IP :D07:52
dwatkinsperhaps there's MAC address wierdness07:52
dwatkinsahhh07:52
popeycrashed virtualbox :D07:53
dwatkinsouch07:53
arsenerp07:53
popeyright, that doesn't work, i presume because of the guest extensions07:54
popeysheesh07:54
* popey moves the VM to this machine to run locally07:54
dwatkinsI should probably upgrade the RAM in my netbook to run VirtualBox.07:54
dwatkinsWe use vmware at work, so I don't have VB here.07:54
popeyoddly i just downloaded virtualbox from their website, clicked the deb, software center opens and shows me the wrong screenshot07:58
* popey files a bug in USC07:58
arsenwhat's the screenshot then?:o07:58
popeyhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/109808270/Selection_101.png08:02
popeyaskubuntu lens08:02
arsenheh08:03
dwatkinspopey: wouldn't it be the IP address of the host you'd use to connect to the console of a guest?08:11
popeyyes08:11
popeythats what I did08:11
dwatkinsah ok, curioser and curioser, perhaps you have RDP enabled already and the port conflicts08:12
popeyi gave up :)08:14
popeyscp the vdi to another machine08:14
dwatkinsfair enough08:14
dwatkins...and the rain comes down08:14
dwatkinsI was waiting for the kettle to boil, watching out the window in a meeting room, and someone walks in asking if I've booked the room for the day...08:14
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)08:23
dwatkinshiya bigcalm08:24
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JamesTaitGood morning all! :)08:35
czajkowskiGood morning08:39
Monotokomorning all08:46
oimonanyone seen that ouya android under TV PC announced on kickstarter?08:50
oimonproblem is  ,by the time it's out, there will probably be plenty other decent options too08:51
jussioimon: I can give you a box which runs android for your tv tomorrow08:51
oimonsimilar to this? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ouya/ouya-a-new-kind-of-video-game-console08:52
MonotokoI saw it yesterday... it looks pretty damn cool08:57
MonotokoMar 2013 as well is the shipping date they are going for... I think they can keep ahead if they hit that08:58
oimoni want a sub £99 arm box under my telly08:59
oimonbut more powerful than a rasp pi08:59
directhexi'm reaaaaaaaaaly unconvinced about ouya09:00
diplooimon: You can buy the tablet boards with ICS on them with out the tablets09:01
bigcalm"Congratulations! Your account is now enabled for uploads longer than 15 minutes." This is a special day :)09:02
codecowboyhi. i am trying to access a samba share on a virtual machine from windows 7. i could browse as a guest but when i switch off gues mode, i cannot authenticate. do i need to add a user on the linux side with the same name as my windows user?09:03
bigcalmcodecowboy: that's one way. The other is to login to the share using different credentials09:05
codecowboybigcalm: thanks. no credentials i use seem to work :(09:05
codecowboybigcalm: i did smbpasswd with an existing user09:06
bigcalmYou may have to enter the username as WORKGROUP\username09:08
gordi fixed this *exact* problem a few weeks ago09:11
gordit would be helpful if i remembered how09:11
bigcalmgord: stopped using cifs?09:11
oimongord, did it involve a regedit hack?09:12
gordnoo, it was on the ubuntus side09:12
bigcalmThat shouldn't be required09:12
oimongot your / and \ the right way round?09:12
oimondoes an entry exist in the DNS for both machines?09:14
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bigcalmoimon: codecowboy can connect as a guest09:14
gordcodecowboy: i think i used system-config-samba to fix it somehow09:16
oimonbigcalm, i would expect the authentication to be different though, and may rely on correctly resoving the hostname09:17
oimonmaybe a dump of the smb.conf would help09:17
gordnooo its not that09:23
gordi fixed this, nothing in smb.conf fixes it09:23
* Monotoko facepalms09:25
bigcalmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm7biXXMkek # skip to 1:25 for the action to start09:25
MonotokoI swear.. if I get one more buggy PHP module from my bosses indian devs -.-09:25
BigRedSPHP's supposed to be buggy!09:25
bigcalmIt's how we make money09:25
Monotokoit's a database system! They gave me a flat file module that I can't track -.-09:26
Monotokoso I'm having to create an ad-hoc way to try and track which themes are being used where09:26
codecowboygord: does any of this sound familiar? http://askubuntu.com/questions/19361/cant-access-ubuntus-shared-folders-from-windows-709:29
gordnooo09:30
The_Fredhello09:38
oimonwhenever i think i look a bit rough, i check chris moyles wikipedia page and remind myself than he is only 1 yr older than me10:00
oimonstupid ctrl-w10:01
oimonwas trying to close the wikipedia page..10:01
Laneygrr10:05
Laneywhy aren't generated and saved passwords reconciled in lastpass >:(10:06
oimonhow can i map ctrl-alt-L to lock my screen in cinnamon :-\10:08
czajkowskiMight be of interest to folks tomorrow, http://blog.launchpad.net/general/maas-webinar10:22
Laneyit ain't a maas demo unless somebody trips over a cable10:23
directhexmonkeys as a service? never going to end well10:28
Laneyit is a grand project trying to reproduce shakespeare10:28
directhexwhy use monkeys, when there are a load of out-of-job pigeons?10:29
directhexi hear google use pandas now, not pigeons, to do their search ranking10:29
Laneywell, nobody knows the behaviour of infinite numbers of pigeons10:32
Laneywhereas monkeys are well studied10:32
directhex"it was the best of times, it was the blurst of times"10:33
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codecowboygord: dont supopse you remember the windows7 issue? i have been busy trying everything under the sun and rebooting, still no luck10:41
gorduse system-config-samba to fix it10:41
gordi don't know what it is, but that is what i used10:42
codecowboygord: i dont have that. i am using a server VM, not a gui.10:43
gordwell then i don't know how to fix it10:43
codecowboyAnyone know why I might be able to browse a samba share from windows 7 but not be able to authenticate?10:44
codecowboygord: ok thanks10:44
AlanBellLaney: so true, that was the best product demo evar11:18
LaneyI was certainly sold11:19
popeyshame they cut the trip11:19
AlanBellit is a shame so much was cut11:19
Laneyit lives on in our hearts11:19
AlanBellDaviey is a hero11:19
Davieythanks chaps. :)11:21
AlanBellDaviey: do you have the unedited video?11:21
Davieyprep'ing a demo at runtime is always good.11:21
Laneylazy evaluation11:21
DavieyAlanBell: not for public consumption.11:21
AlanBellso thats a yes then11:21
AlanBellDaviey bottom line was the demo *worked* even with all the funny bits11:22
oimonu1 files isn't working on my android :(11:26
oimonanyone else have this issue?11:26
oimoncannot sign into u111:27
gordoimon: error here11:28
bigcalmaquarius: what have you broken?11:29
oimoni've tried 1) device > Settings > Manage applications > Ubuntu One Files > Force close, Clear app data 2) device > Settings > Accounts & sync > remove the Ubuntu account 3) device > Settings > Date & time > Automatic -- checked 4) relaunch Ubuntu One Files11:31
oimonstill not working11:31
oimonhttps://one.ubuntu.com/help/contact/11:31
oimonLOL11:31
oimonoh, the whole of u1 is shagged11:35
Laneypretty sure they have a channel11:36
popey#ubuntuone11:36
gordpretty sure they know about it though11:39
Laneyyou're much more likely to find informed people there rather than here11:43
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DJonesoimon: That was commented on in #ubuntu, it was working for some people, just not for others11:48
dogmatic69how can I get the user id and group id12:04
popeyuid12:05
popeygid12:05
popeyer12:05
popeyid12:05
popey:D12:05
bigcalmdogmatic69: type id12:05
popeyi _always_ think it's uid then type it and go "oh yeah" and type id12:05
dogmatic69nice, thanks12:06
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Laneylaney@raleigh> uid                                                                                     ~/dev/ubuntu/packaging/random/emacs2412:07
Laneyzsh: correct 'uid' to 'id' [nyae]?12:07
Laney^_^12:07
livingdaylightharo12:09
popeyboo12:10
brobostigonwhat is the affect called, where in both of the earth hemispheres, water flows opposite?12:12
* Laney is distressed that he forgot to start this 10 hour build (over ssh) under screen12:12
Laneybrobostigon: do you mean the corolis effect?12:12
Laneycoriollis?12:13
* Laney spulling ez hrd12:13
brobostigonthank you Laney , yes, :)12:13
popeyLaney, what is this arm lunacy you are building?12:13
Laneyghc12:13
popey!info ghc12:13
lubotu3ghc (source: ghc): The Glasgow Haskell Compilation system. In component universe, is extra. Version 7.4.1-1ubuntu2 (precise), package size 40485 kB, installed size 196973 kB12:13
livingdaylightsorry to trouble anyone/everyone, who might know : I've just put a pc together using an Asus P8H61 motherboard and immediately installed ubuntu on a new 500gb sata3 hd, but the live cd came up really sluggish, but, regardless, I went ahead and still installed it, however, its still not running as it should. system is slow to respond basically. Any advice/insights on the matter, please?12:13
popeyoh12:13
Laneyyeah, that!12:13
popeylivingdaylight, what video card?12:14
Laneytesting a bootstrap, although the unstoppable adam conrad will have to pres butan in the end12:14
livingdaylightpopey, the motherboard comes with its own onboard graphics. I haven't installed a dedicated card12:14
popeylivingdaylight, what CPU?12:15
livingdaylightpopey, i3 212012:15
popeysome intel thing by the look of it?12:15
gordbah, raid rebuilding is gonna take hours, dumb slow spinning things12:15
popeylivingdaylight, open a terminal, run top, see whats eating cpu?12:15
popeylivingdaylight, how much RAM does it have?12:15
livingdaylightpopey, 8gb on 1 stick12:16
popeylivingdaylight, soo.. top?12:18
livingdaylightpopey, maybe this reveals something : http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/189/toplvg.png/12:19
popeynot especially12:20
popeycan you be more specific about the issue?12:20
livingdaylightclicking on things long delays; for eg the update icon on panel12:21
popeydefine long12:22
livingdaylightsluggish.... either not responding or long delay12:22
popeycan you quantify it?12:23
livingdaylightwith new i3 and 8gb or ram I expect to be flying12:23
AlanBelllivingdaylight: how many seconds to start libreoffice writer?12:23
livingdaylightAlanBell, 4 seconds12:23
popeythats good12:23
AlanBellthat is pretty quick12:23
livingdaylightguys, it seems to be picking up speed12:24
AlanBellthe update icon will be downloading tons of stuff and blocking on your network connection I expect12:24
livingdaylightI trust I connected all the wires right on the motherboard etc12:24
livingdaylightOk, due a reboot due to updates including kernel, brb12:25
livingdaylightTHANX12:25
Laneyhaha12:26
Laneyfirst boot, was probably building caches and stuff12:26
livingdaylightseems that when I respond to the update notification on panel it doesn't respond. I have to go through power button and ask it to install updates12:29
livingdaylightanother 'restart'12:31
livingdaylightI now have the system not responding to my mouse. It only enables me to launch programs, but for instance, when I launched FF and tried to open a new tab, I couldn't. Or when launching X-chat I wanted to go to edit to add ubuntu-uk to the default list of rooms and again, couldn't. Its as if screen froze. I just put new batteries in this wireless mouse.12:41
livingdaylightcan not even open the workspace switcher now12:42
livingdaylightAfter a new build does one have to first insert the accompanying dvd to the motherboard? or should it be ok to immediately install Ubuntu?12:46
The_Fredid go for install12:49
popeylivingdaylight, does it work fine from the keyboard?12:50
popeyi.e. if you press the windows/super key, do you get the dash pop up quickly?12:51
popeyif you open a text editor like gedit, and type do the keystrokes appear quickly?12:51
popeyI wouldn't do a clean install given you've only just installed this, thats a brute force approach which won't solve the issue12:51
livingdaylightpopey, keyboard works fine. Roles have reversed. Before it was the keyboard that the system was sluggish in responding to.12:51
* popey goes to a meeting...12:52
livingdaylightmouse is not launching anything anymore. Only allows me to swtch rooms withing xchat12:52
livingdaylightre: clean install. I was referring to the fact that I installed Ubuntu before doing anything on this fresh built-system including first inserting the motherboard's accomanying dvd. Maybe, that would install necessary drivers etc to make subsequent installation of os more smooth-running.12:54
* bigcalm wonders if popey will make it out alive12:56
ali1234hmm... just discovered that this wordpress site is really slow if two people try to use it at the same time13:03
* BigRedS wonders if that SQLite wordpress backend was such a good idea after all13:11
diploBigRedS: / bigcalm : Know if pear Mail package is dependant on anything apart from sendmail being installed to work ?13:12
BigRedSdiplo: I've no idea. I always end up swearing when I use PHP13:12
bigcalmdiplo: shouldn't be dependant on anything13:13
diplo:(13:14
diploI want to blame this on something else :)13:14
bigcalmdiplo: you want it to be dependant on something?13:14
bigcalm1st step: can you send email from the box by other means?13:14
diploNo, still on this old php4 code13:15
bigcalm2nd step: do you have access to an SMTP relay?13:15
diploGot 99% working, and email was the last thing13:15
bigcalm3rd step: what does `which sendmail` give you?13:15
diplomail command is not installed, but sendmail is up and running, so haven't tested it per se from local box13:16
diploSuppose I should just install it and test13:16
BigRedSyou should be able to simply pipe into it13:16
BigRedSthat's what php does13:16
BigRedShang on13:16
diploI've used the Mail.php package loads of times and never had issues before :P13:16
diplo/usr/sbin/sendmail13:16
BigRedSdiplo: https://gist.github.com/309034013:17
diplowill try debuginfo i guess13:17
BigRedSthat sort of thing13:17
diplook, will try ta13:17
diploI like that, didn't know you could do it like that13:18
diploIt works13:18
diploSo defo the php code :/13:18
* diplo delves deeper13:19
diplorah found it, that took longer than expected13:28
bigcalmWhat was wrong?13:30
diploSorry got called awat13:45
diploUmm from address was being grabbed from a session id that didn't exist so had @domain.com13:46
diploand so failed13:46
BigRedShaha13:49
BigRedSI just spent a while fixing a problem like that13:49
BigRedSwhich reminds me. What're current favourites for bugtrackers?13:49
BigRedSNeeds to look management-friendly and also let me interact with it by email13:49
BigRedSideally interact with SVN and Git repos, too, just to make it harder13:50
bigcalmBigRedS: I happily use trac13:51
bigcalmBigRedS: trac comes with built in support for svn. git support with a plugin (not yet tested)13:52
bigcalmBigRedS: trac will send out emails, I don't know if it will receive emails - not something we've needed13:52
BigRedSbigcalm: cool, ta! Looks management friendly, too13:54
BigRedSreceiving email's isn't *that* necessary13:55
BigRedSI'm just looking to replace both ad-hoc emails and a mediawiki-based to-do list13:55
Laneyif you like email, you want debbugs :-)14:02
Laney(you probably don't like email as much as it wants you to, though)14:02
BigRedShaha, no, I don't want it to look like email14:03
BigRedSbut more pertinently I want something that measn the people who currently email me and/or edit that wiki page can file proper bugs without too much goading14:06
AlanBellBigRedS: redmine is working for me on a project right now14:16
AlanBellyou can put issue numbers in git commit messages and it then does the right thing with them and links to the issues14:16
DavieyAlanBell: how 2007!14:17
BigRedSEw. Redmine?14:18
BigRedSWe have customers running that...14:18
* mattt likes redmine14:18
BigRedSYeah, I think we've had too much trouble with that in general for me to be able to persuade anybody that using it is a good idea14:24
BigRedSGah. Why does everything insist on writing times in its own definition of human-readable in it's logs. This is what epoch timestamps are for14:31
AlanBellDaviey: yeah, it isn't rocket science I guess14:33
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bigcalmAlanBell: trac does the commit message to ticket number linking as well14:42
bigcalmAnd you can reference a revision number in a ticket which will then link14:42
dogmatic69what is the best way to rsync www-data files to a smb share as a different user?14:42
AlanBellyeah, trac is quite good, I have used that before14:42
AlanBellthe main reason I picked redmine this time was that I hadn't used it14:42
dogmatic69eg: I am logged in as dogmatic69 and need to rsync www-data files to smb://whatever. 'rsync: chgrp foo/bar failed. Permission denied' all the time14:43
dogmatic69the folder is mounted with uid=1000,gid=1000 (dogmatic69:dogmatic69) and I am in the www-data group14:43
dogmatic69all the files are g+rw for wwww-data:www-data14:44
AlanBellBigRedS: the other possibility is to use launchpad or github commercial project stuff14:44
AlanBellwe kind of like it being on our own infrastructure though14:45
BigRedSAlanBell: yeah, this needs to be internal14:45
BigRedSaside from anything else I want it to talk to an SVN repo that has no outside access14:45
BigRedScurrently most of my stuff's on github14:45
AlanBellwonder if launchpad will support git one day14:45
BigRedSdon't they keep releasing bzr propaganda?14:46
bigcalmBigRedS: I recently got gitlab working (open source version of github). It's very nice :)14:46
BigRedSoooh14:46
* popey wonders if chrisccoulson knows the answer to http://askubuntu.com/questions/162268/adding-x-scheme-handler-without-a-popup-in-firefox :D14:46
popeygitlab is nice!14:47
popeyreally, _really_ nice14:47
bigcalmBigRedS: happy to give you an account if you want to give it a try14:47
AlanBellbigcalm: I am interested14:47
bigcalmAlanBell: ok :)14:47
BigRedSbigcalm: it looks easy enough to install, I might just do that actually! :)14:47
bigcalmBigRedS: go for it :)14:48
popeyit has the popey stamp of approval14:48
bigcalmHeh14:48
popey[APPROVED]14:48
AlanBellBigRedS: I have not seen any bzr stuff or documentation updates for a long time14:48
BigRedSOh, I'm sure someone posted a "Here's why bzr is better than git" thing a few weeks back14:48
bigcalmAlanBell: pm me an email address you like to use for things :)14:48
BigRedSmaybe not launchpad, just not sure who else that I follow would do that14:49
BigRedSeither way, it gets asked for a _lot_; I've no idea how easily bzr and git can coexist on teh same repo14:49
AlanBellbigcalm: alanbell at ubuntu.com14:49
bigcalmAlanBell: user created. You should have been sent a welcome email. If not I'll give you login details here14:50
bigcalmHumm, I have a feeling that queues aren't being processed14:53
bigcalmAlanBell: have you had a welcome email yet?14:53
AlanBellbigcalm: nope14:54
bigcalmOk, ta. I shall poke things14:54
AlanBellthat address goes to gmail, it isn't there yet14:54
bigcalmKnow anything about redis? I can see things in queues that aren't moving14:55
BigRedSI'm supposed to be installing it this afternoon14:56
BigRedSbut that's all I know about it :)14:56
bigcalmHeh, more than me :D14:56
bigcalmHeh, stopping and starting gitlab kicked out 3 emails and 39 other jobs14:59
bigcalmAlanBell: yhm (I think)14:59
bigcalmYikes15:00
bigcalmMy gitlab home page looks quite different now :D15:01
BigRedShaha15:01
AlanBellbigcalm: yeah, I have a mail, you might want to fix that homepage ;)15:04
bigcalmAlanBell: the login screen?15:05
n1md4BigRedS: You probably want to send me your irssirc :D15:07
popeyAlanBell, wassup with the home page?15:09
bigcalmpopey: drop the port number15:10
popeysweet!15:10
bigcalmHeh, no, not really15:10
bigcalmI need to do a redirect15:10
BigRedSn1md4: the pertinent line is ignores = ( { level = "JOINS PARTS QUITS"; } );15:10
AlanBellgitlab is rather nice15:14
bigcalm:)15:15
bigcalmAlanBell: feel free to make a project and use it as you want15:16
bigcalmIn fact, I believe that the default is 10 projects per new account15:16
bigcalmAlanBell: go wild ;)15:16
AlanBellthat is very very much like github15:20
AlanBelllooks and works nice15:20
* AlanBell wishes launchpad would look a bit more presentable15:20
bigcalm:)15:20
popeyAlanBell, patches welcome ;)15:30
bigcalmHeh15:31
bigcalmIs LP in LP?15:31
popeybzr branch lp:launchpad15:31
* popey assumes15:31
AlanBelllaunchpad is kinda big15:31
popeyblame gmb15:31
gmbBlame Zope.15:32
bigcalmZope on a rope?15:32
gmbIf I had my way, yes.15:32
bigcalm:D15:32
gmbSadly, six years of hysterical raisins means that we're stuck with the bugger.15:32
gmbBut yes: bzr branch lp:launchpad is the ticket.15:33
gmbBetter yet, https://dev.launchpad.net/Getting15:33
AlanBellso the stylesheet such as it is appears to be https://launchpad.net/+icing/rev15593/combo.css15:33
AlanBelland there is an inline style block on the homepage15:34
* AlanBell wonders how long bzr branch lp:launchpad is going to take15:38
popey$TIME15:39
AlanBelland whether the css is actually in that15:39
gordheh, i think the only thing with a longer bzr history might be lp:bzr ;)15:39
gordyou can use the web code browser thingy to see the contents right now though15:39
AlanBellyeah, I had a look round and couldn't find it15:40
AlanBellI dunno how to search using that15:40
gordfrom the url, +icing suggests that its generated15:41
AlanBellso instead I will get my laptop to give launchpad a kicking downloading launchpad then use grep15:41
gord+<name> is normally a python command15:41
AlanBellyeah, I figured the +icing meant something like that15:41
AlanBelljust wonder if that is stored in a separate project15:41
BigRedSdf -h15:52
bigcalm-su: df: command not found15:53
AlanBell/dev/irc       38TB    38TB  0B 100% /15:54
bigcalmIIRC, kvirc came with a terminal window. Most strange15:54
AlanBellwe have filled up the inter<carrier lost>15:55
MartijnVdSAlanBell: psh, you have tiny internets15:55
bigcalmWith just 38TB?15:55
dogmatic69any idea on how to fix up smb permission problems15:56
AlanBellwonder if df knows about exabytes15:56
BigRedSmy df still does stupid linebreaks :(15:57
BigRedSand I've still not got the hang of terminator :)15:57
bigcalm2 hours until I head off to the LUG. 2.5 hours until I get some yummy surf and turf15:58
bigcalmThat's odd, where's davmor2?15:58
bigcalmI wonder if he'll turn up tonight15:58
bigcalmgord: did you see I made you a new video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm7biXXMkek - 24 hours worth in 5m37s16:03
gordfantastic :P16:04
bigcalmDawn is at about 1:2516:04
bigcalmBut the real fun starts at about 4:0016:05
bigcalmToday's sky has been more interesting. So the video I make tomorrow shall be too :D16:07
AlanBellali1234: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-960-000767-C920-HD-Webcam/dp/B006A2Q81M/ref=pd_sim_computers_1 is this the camera I need to get?16:22
ali1234ah, good question16:23
ali1234i've read some people complaining that the C920 is not as good as the C91016:23
ali1234they are still both very good though16:23
AlanBell920 has a tripod mount which sounds useful16:24
ali1234ah... that would be useful16:24
ali1234actually i think the C910 has it too16:24
ali1234maybe not... not sure what i'm looking for16:25
AlanBellthreaded hole in the bottom, about 5mm across and 5mm deep16:26
ali1234guess not then16:27
AlanBellyeah, screw mount only on the 92016:28
ali1234there's some removable panel on the 910 which seems to have no purpose. could probably made an adapter for that16:29
AlanBellhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3mwafEL724 someone did a video comparison and she glued on a tripod mount to the 91016:30
AlanBellthe 920 has onboard H264 encoding somehow apparently16:30
bigcalmBenefitLeft until your next bill16:30
bigcalmUnlimited T-Mobile Calls16:30
bigcalm9999999 null16:30
bigcalmOops16:30
ali1234yeah the 910 has MJPEG16:31
ali1234i'd say get the 92016:31
bigcalmCor, MMS cost me 25p each. I'll stick to emailing from my phone I think16:32
AlanBellI just bought: 'Logitech C920 HD Webcam' by Logitech16:34
bigcalmDo people really need to say 'real' ale any more?16:36
directhexbigcalm, as long as newcastle brown has "ale" in the name, yes.16:39
bigcalmdirecthex: I mean, are people still making a fuss about 'real ales' rather than just having local ales on tap?16:40
bigcalmWhat's the difference between a real ale and ale?16:41
bigcalmAh, 2nd fermentation16:41
Laneyreal ale is a term defined by camra16:42
dogmatic69anyone want to take a stab at http://serverfault.com/questions/406834/rsync-permission-errors-on-smbfs-share16:44
* bigcalm nods to Laney16:45
* Laney raises a glass to bigcalm 16:45
dogmatic69bigcalm: you not a fan of "fake ale"?16:45
bigcalmLaney: does it have a handle?16:45
Laneyi only have half pint glasses with handles :(16:46
bigcalmdogmatic69: I like IPAs mostly, they don't tend to be fake. There are a few great breweries around here. Shropshire Gold is my favourite when I can get it16:46
* dogmatic69 is not an ale fan16:47
AlanBellhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/view/head:/lib/canonical/launchpad/icing/css/layout.css love the comment at the start of that file16:47
BigRedShaha16:48
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dogmatic69Time to install girlfriendbuntu17:03
bigcalmYikes, it's gone 6pm!17:05
GhstWlfHello people, Where can I find eth0, tap0 etc. in ubuntu 12.04?17:11
brobostigonGhstWlf: in /dev17:11
GhstWlfbrobostigon, no, it is not there17:12
brobostigonGhstWlf: does said network device show in ifconfig/iwconfig ?17:13
GhstWlfyes17:13
brobostigonit will be in /dev then.17:13
directhexmost network devices don't show in /dev/net17:17
brobostigonthey should show in /dev/*0 etc.17:17
brobostigonlike /dev/eth017:18
directhexthere's some existential entries in /sys/class/net/17:18
brobostigonah,17:18
GhstWlfI find them in /sys/class/net/17:21
dogmatic69Is there a safe way of running snmp over public ip's18:04
dwatkinsssh tunnels? ;)18:06
dogmatic69hmm18:06
dogmatic69never done them before18:06
dogmatic69can the tunnel be setup from either end?18:07
Myrttiho hum.18:11
dogmatic69dwatkins: any clues? :)18:11
dwatkinsdogmatic69: if you can ssh from one machine to the other, you can tunnel traffic along that connection18:12
dwatkinsI don't know anything about snmp, but that's what I do with VNC.18:12
dogmatic69I am sure the principal is the same no matter the data / application18:12
dogmatic69basically snmp is server -> request -> client -> response -> server18:13
dogmatic69request is "whats your cpu usage"18:13
popeydogmatic69, http://www.morch.com/2011/07/05/forwarding-snmp-ports-over-ssh-using-socat/18:13
ali1234tl;dr snmp is udp, socat converts it to tcp so you can forward it through ssh18:27
ali1234also, i always wondered why everything in linux is a file, except for eth0 etc18:29
GhstWlfali1234, I think that the original idea of unix is that everything is a file in a keep-it-simple-stupid18:32
ali1234http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/23199/why-are-network-interfaces-not-in-dev-like-other-devices18:33
GhstWlfali1234, plan9 and inferno keeps everything as a file.18:33
MikeAPrinter sorted - restarted and it seems to have worked fine....do'h, why didnt I try that in the first instance!  Thanks for the assistance, as ever, this is a wonderful place full of wonderful people :)19:34
bigcalm_laptopGood evening from the LUG19:44
AlanBellhello bigcalm_laptop and the lug people19:47
bigcalm_laptopo/19:48
* bigcalm_laptop waves with a pint19:48
Azelphurluggers are invading, take cover :p19:48
bigcalm_laptopWell, it might just be me19:48
bigcalm_laptopAny other Wolves LUG peeps in here?19:48
AzelphurI'm having a quick bash at making my own ksplice patches to see if I can do rebootless updates19:49
ali1234rebootless updates are so last year19:50
bigcalm_laptopgord: are you in Wolves tomorrow?19:51
ali1234it's all about the forced reboot updates now19:51
Azelphurali1234: yet nobody seems to be able to do it any more19:51
Azelphurindeed :(19:51
ali1234hmm, i might have made the AI unbeatable20:00
ali1234except that it has one tiny flaw20:00
Azelphurdon't build skynet please20:00
ali1234it doesn't understand when it is driving in the wrong direction20:00
AzelphurI want to live20:00
Azelphurhaha20:00
ali1234AI does the course in 32 second20:01
ali1234i can do it in 30 seconds at most20:01
ali1234or least rather20:02
ali1234oh yeah and the AI isn't even driving at full speed. it is limited to 90% of maximum acceleration20:03
ali1234:/20:03
ali1234gah, one of the AI just beat the record. 31.5 seconds20:04
gordbigcalm_laptop: doesn't look like it20:44
dogmatic69lol22:04
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Azelphuranyone know how I would take colors that are near black (dark grey, etc) and make them black, in gimp?22:46
ali1234levels tool22:46
Azelphurty *looks at it*22:47
ali1234colours->levels22:47
ali1234actually it depends what you really want to do22:47
ali1234if you want to adjust the whole image relatively then use levels22:47
Azelphurnah I don't want to adjust the whole image relatively22:48
ali1234you probably do actually22:48
AzelphurI literally want to do what I said, dark greys / whites to absolute black22:48
ali1234if you adjust only the dark ones, well, there's a more or less continuous spectrum22:48
ali1234you'll get a step22:48
Azelphuro.O22:48
Azelphurali1234: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/2012/July/duo.png22:49
AzelphurI want to take the white dusty stuff out of the touch pad for example22:49
ali1234you want levels for that22:49
Azelphurok22:50
ali1234open levels tool and you see the histrogram (graph thing on top)22:50
ali1234at the bottom there's three ^'s22:50
ali1234drag the leftmost one towards the middle22:50
ali1234then move the middle one to the left22:50
ali1234you can see that the image is mostly black from the histogram22:51
Azelphurcool, ty :)22:51
ali1234they the shorter bars are the greys22:51
ali1234they there's another bump at the right, which is the white pixels22:51
Azelphurfun22:53
ali1234really levels tool is the only thing you need22:53
ali1234brightness/contrast controls are just a simplified levels control22:53
ali1234you can do a lot with only levels and gaussian blur, such as the wallpaper i posted on g+ the other day22:54
ali1234it's all i ever really use :)22:55
Azelphurali1234: link to your wallpaper? :P22:55
ali1234http://ubuntuone.com/6fnkvaIECMLwRGWFT6ZkPy22:56
Azelphurfun22:57
ali1234here's a less loud version: http://ubuntuone.com/6fnkvaIECMLwRGWFT6ZkPy22:57
Azelphurthat's the same lnk22:58
Azelphurlink*22:58
ali1234http://ubuntuone.com/6xDC2MoZ2CRmlh6I6uybPa22:58
Azelphurseems to be 40422:59
ali1234U1 must have melted again22:59
Azelphurhehe22:59
ali1234maybe it's still uploading22:59
ali1234original image: http://ubuntuone.com/7MhYrxLTXiqz67D7gJwB2L23:00
Azelphurhehe23:01
ali1234yep, U1 has messed up23:02
ubuntuuk-planet[Jono Bacon] Thunderbird and Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/07/11/thunderbird-and-ubuntu/23:03
ali1234thunderbird suuuuuuuucks23:03
ali1234the UI is fugly23:04
ali1234it has it's own non-standard notification system23:04
Azelphur:p23:04
ali1234it's slow like everything mozilla makes23:04
ali1234and it can't handle my gmail imap account23:05
ali1234nor can it do sensible threading23:05
Azelphurthunderbird handles my google imap accounts23:07
ali1234i'm subscribed to many high volume mailing lists23:09
ali1234i have folders with 10k unread emails in them23:09
Azelphurme too, my lists account has 12,609 unread emails.23:10
Azelphurali1234: suggestions for turning the whole thing blueish?23:16
AzelphurI'm aiming at this http://blog.brixandersen.dk/wp-content/uploads/conky.png :p23:16
ali1234varios23:16
ali1234ok23:16
ali1234go in to levels23:16
ali1234select channel red23:16
ali1234outputlevel to zero23:16
ali1234select channel green23:17
ali1234max output level to 0.523:17
ali1234that's the bottom slider23:17
MonotokoI may have just witnessed the birth of another universe23:17
ali1234it has two ^23:17
Monotoko$explosion->very_big_bang($matter, $antimatter);23:17
Monotokogenuinly in this code base23:17
Monotokocan't figure out what it does D:23:17
Azelphurali1234: fun, ty :)23:18
ali1234azelphur: http://newcars-wallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/gtr-carbon-sport-cars_0100.jpg23:27
ali1234-> http://imagebin.org/22041023:27
Azelphurnice :)23:28
ali1234how you do it: open source image, duplicate layer so you have two identical copies. go to the top one, invert it, gaussian blu radius 20, in the lay window select "soft light" blending mode23:29
ali1234this brings out the details of the image23:30
ali1234then you merge down and do filters->edge->difference of gaussians with 1: 1.0 and 2: 5.023:30
AzelphurI did it slightly differently but got similar results xD23:30
ali1234oh i forgot to say duplicate the layers again23:31
ali1234ccos then you go back to the original and desaturate it, and subtract the line image you just made from it23:31
ali1234and ramp the levels way up on the original so it's almost completely white23:32
ali1234then you merge down again and invert, and play with the colour balance until you are happy23:32
Azelphur\o/23:33
ali1234i just wish gimp had adjustment layers23:35
Azelphurhehe23:49

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