[01:33] <govatent> hello 
[02:03] <roaksoax> govatent: when is the ubuntu hour
[02:03] <govatent> the 28th starts at 3
[02:04] <govatent> I just added it to the loco team page as well as google plus and there is already a facebook event which i am now pushing to friends 
[02:06] <roaksoax> govatent: cool
[02:06] <roaksoax> remind me
[02:06] <roaksoax> lol
[02:07] <govatent> ok ill be sure to keep you posted 
[02:07] <govatent> add it to your google cal now that it has a google event 
[02:08] <govatent> I would really love for you to be there too 
[02:09] <roaksoax> yeah i'll be back to mia that weekend
[02:10] <govatent> Sweet 
[02:10] <govatent> did you get jellybean yet? 
[02:13] <roaksoax> govatent: nah... still waiting for the upgrade
[02:13] <govatent> lol I think i just read today it started hitting devices 
[02:26] <roaksoax> really?
[02:26] <roaksoax> hopefully
[02:26] <roaksoax> govatent: i'll be getting the tablet
[02:26] <govatent> nice if apple does not try and block sells on that too :P
[02:29] <govatent> roaksoax, http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/10/android-4-1-jelly-bean-now-available-galaxy-nexus-google/
[02:35] <roaksoax> govatent: yep,my system is up to date
[02:39] <roaksoax> govatent: but not with jelly bean :(
[02:39] <govatent> :(
[02:39] <govatent> I just started running CM 9 ICS 4.0.4 on my sensation. I'm liking it. much better than stock rom 
[03:14] <ShawnR> so i'm looking for a new job, any tips on finding a linux/unix type job for entry level (well, at least "no enterprise experience)?
[03:15] <govatent> ive got nothing. but i guess i want to hear the same info
[03:16] <ShawnR> lol
[03:17] <ShawnR> i mean, i'd even take a windows/network admin type job... problem is, i have 8 yrs experience of in-home/residential and some commercial experience... but no "enterprise" experience
[03:17] <govatent> I would love to be a linux admin and quit my windows life I live now
[03:17] <ShawnR> lol
[03:18] <ShawnR> i'm hoping that windows 8 might be the "start" of something... moreso with MSFT making their own "surface" tablet... it seems they wanna tell OEMs to kiss their ass, they're going the way of apple
[03:18] <ShawnR> if that's the case, then more OEMs might dabble more with linux, making it more mainstream (enough for better driver support from mfgs)
[03:18] <govatent> I deal with only windows stuff at the moment and just end user linux things as on my personal time i will not use non open source stuff. The largest network I deal with used to be an AD of 200 people but now is 30. After things started tanking around 2009 
[03:18] <ShawnR> that's my 5-10 yr outlook
[03:18] <ShawnR> that sounds unfun
[03:19] <govatent> I don't know if MS is gonna wanna kill off OEM's. Cause people hate them as it is. Their software will still suck. So if they lose the ability to push it on to every machine on the planet they might lose a lot of sells 
[03:20] <govatent> Unless MS hardware is in a fair price range then yea i guess that would kill oem's and still allow their crummy product to compete with apple 
[03:20] <ShawnR> well, the reason why apple doesn't "break" so much... is b/c it is a limited hardware base
[03:21] <ShawnR> none of this  100 diff motherboards/NICs/etc
[03:21] <ShawnR> so much less issues with driver conflicts (and also OS optimizations are better)
[03:21] <govatent> yea. but you could also blame hardware manufacturers for really crummy drivers 
[03:21] <govatent> I think apple might do some of the driver development in house 
[03:21] <ShawnR> i bet they do
[03:22] <govatent> better than relying on any of the companies they work with. Intel, AMD , Nvidia and anyone else 
[03:22] <ShawnR> but you think about it, all macbooks have the same mobo
[03:22] <govatent> Cause the same apple computers run like crap with a linux kernel on em 
[03:22] <ShawnR> the only thing that changes is amt of RAM, HDD space or processor speed (but still in the same family)
[03:22] <govatent> yup 
[03:22] <govatent> I just sold my macbook pro for a system76 :) 
[03:23] <govatent> i get it on Thursday 
[03:23] <ShawnR> apple has it going, if you want "hassel free with the only caveat that THEY tell you how to use it" then it is great
[03:23] <ShawnR> ooh, nice
[03:23] <govatent> getting the mac back in Jan was such a stupid idea 
[03:23] <ShawnR> i agree
[03:23] <ShawnR> i got an ASUS, kinda not enjoying it as much as i would of liked
[03:23] <ShawnR> for a windows laptop, GREAT
[03:23] <ShawnR> but the webcam and mousepad are off-the-norm and have driver issues with linux
[03:24] <govatent> I ordered the 76 last sat but they had a 8 day order to ship time so it shipped yesterday finally 
[03:24] <govatent> I was looking at regular computers as well cause 76 does not offer real gpus. just intels ive bridge based HD 4000 
[03:24] <govatent> but i don't do enough gaming to care. the 4000 is fine with me cause it will have full linux support from 76
[03:25] <ShawnR> that's the other thing... my nvidia cuda is doing jack diddly squat for me right now in linux :(
[03:25] <ShawnR> yup
[03:25] <govatent> do you have optimus? 
[03:25] <ShawnR> yes :/
[03:25] <govatent> lulz
[03:25] <govatent> :P
[03:25] <govatent> sorry im a jerk face 
[03:25] <govatent> jk 
[03:26] <ShawnR> lol, s'ok
[03:26] <ShawnR> i have to lulz at myself as well
[03:26] <govatent> I ran a live ubuntu disk on a few optimus systems at tigerdirect and it seems to work fine. but i guess that was using the intel card or something 
[03:26] <ShawnR> yeah
[03:26] <ShawnR> it just uses the intel card
[03:26] <ShawnR> i tried getting it to just use the nvidia all the time
[03:26] <ShawnR> but even not doing optimus, just having it on ALL the time is not really feasable
[03:27] <ShawnR> some ppl say they got it to work like that, but it has a lot to do with adding a virtual screen and having it pipe stuff back and forth
[03:27] <govatent> the reason i got rid of the mac was I could not use the dual gpu. I hated only using the AMD card.  GDDR5 6570 card. killed battery. only was to use intel was efi booting which then does not support dual gpu setup 
[03:27] <govatent> although in osx with the dual gpu driver setup battery was like 7 hours 
[03:28] <govatent> i could use the intel card fire up youtube and without knowing it run flash on the amd card 
[03:28] <govatent> other than that ubuntu ran alright on that computer 
[03:28] <govatent> the trackpad also slightly sucked 
[03:29] <govatent> when did you get your laptop? 
[03:29] <govatent> and how much was it? 
[03:29] <ShawnR> um... around $800 i think, maybe last feb or march??? i can't even remmeber
[03:30] <ShawnR> ASUS N53SV
[03:30] <govatent> not a bad laptop 
[03:30] <govatent> I'm sure nvidia won't be jerks to us much longer 
[03:30] <govatent> I like how they tried to save face after Linus called them out on it
[03:31] <govatent> that made me mad 
[03:31] <govatent> I just got this but added 8 GB of ram to it. cause i am an idiot. https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp7
[03:32] <ShawnR> lol, looks fairly similar (case design) to my ASUS
[03:32] <ShawnR> not totally, but similar
[03:32] <govatent> asus tends to have nice designs 
[03:32] <ShawnR> i kinda really want that slim ASUS they have in the stores
[03:32] <ShawnR> i love the ASUS designs, i'm glad they got in the OEM business
[03:32] <govatent> i think system76 buys their laptops from some chinese company 
[03:32] <ShawnR> just wish they'd be more lionux friendly
[03:33] <ShawnR> well, you've got a 95% chance of being right just by guessing that they buy from china :P
[03:33] <govatent> i don't blame asus so much as I do hardware makers 
[03:33] <govatent> lol
[03:34] <ShawnR> true
[03:34] <ShawnR> is it THAT hard to provide good drivers
[03:34] <govatent> although asus might have the power to make sure linux gets supported 
[03:34] <ShawnR> i'm all about open source and FLOSS stuffs... but i would be OK With proprietary gfx drivers if they made them work well
[03:35] <govatent> true
[03:35] <ShawnR> well, i'm hoping that with steam coming to linux soon...
[03:35] <ShawnR> that might be more of a reality for gfx drivers with both nv and ati
[03:36] <govatent> i've heard good things about the intel hd 4000 linux support . should be interesting 
[03:37] <govatent> I hope it will run Amnesia. They say it does 
[03:39] <govatent> i was gone from our irc channel for so long 
[03:39] <govatent> I really gotta fix up my arm server so i can set that back up
[03:40] <ShawnR> i was always in here... but not "really" in here
[03:40] <ShawnR> arm server? as in arm processor? what'cha running?
[03:40] <govatent> yup. its a very old thing. 
[03:40] <govatent> I run Debian on it
[03:40] <govatent> Its a linksys nslu2 box with a 300 mhz arm cpu. flashed to run linux 
[03:40] <govatent> ill link you now 
[03:41] <govatent> got it for free from one of my bosses ages ago cause he does not know about linux and had no use for the box with the standard feature set 
[03:41] <govatent> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2
[03:42] <govatent> I think the last supported ubuntu version was like 9.10 or something fairly old and not lts so no longer supported 
[03:42] <ShawnR> ah, i read of those things
[03:43] <ShawnR> i have one of those pogo plug things (got it free from work), haven't even felt like tinkering with it yet
[03:43] <ShawnR> don't have time nor room for another device... haha
[03:43] <govatent> oh man you gotta start playing with it. very useful low power devices 
[03:44] <govatent> My desktop is just does not get turned on. 125 watt cpu 6 core clocked at 4 ghz. Amd 1090t black edition. i only turn it on when i wanna use it 
[03:44] <govatent> i will say the nslu2 is just slower than a snail 
[03:44] <govatent> but with time always got the job done for me
[03:44] <ShawnR> well, i have this server on a sempron with WD green drives... lol
[03:45] <ShawnR> it is just my workhorse "generic" server
[03:45] <ShawnR> ssh/irc/samba/nfs/www/ftp/"cloud" services
[03:46] <ShawnR> i also used to use it as a DVR for a wifi webcam (security) and web portal as well
[03:46] <govatent> nice
[03:47] <ShawnR> i run subsonic for all my music, which is just really nice for me, and then i used this app on my phone ip cam viewer
[03:47] <ShawnR> and i could see my webcam from anywhere... i wanna buy a webcam taht supports pan/tilt/zoom though
[03:47] <ShawnR> esp omne that has 2 way audio would be nice, as the app supports it
[03:48] <ShawnR> but they aren't cheap :/
[03:48] <govatent> yea i used ip cam viewer like mad for a lot of dvr setups i do for people 
[03:48] <govatent> subsonic allow you to sync music? 
[03:48] <ShawnR> yeah, it was the first app i actually paid for after i used it so much
[03:48] <ShawnR> well, sync is an interesting word
[03:48] <govatent> i own an ipod :P 
[03:49] <govatent> old school one though 
[03:49] <ShawnR> so subsonic app for android lets you choose how much to cache up
[03:49] <ShawnR> mine is set at like 5 or 10 gb
[03:49] <ShawnR> and you can tell it to pre-cache up to n songs ahead on the playlist
[03:49] <ShawnR> so you load a playlist and it'll start DLing however much at once
[03:49] <ShawnR> so you have online and offline play without having to think about it
[03:50] <govatent> not bad
[03:50] <ShawnR> not at all
[03:50] <ShawnR> it also does streaming video
[03:50] <ShawnR> built in + custom transcoding
[03:50] <govatent> oh that's another app i use. I bought a copy of Twonky for streaming stuff 
[03:51] <govatent> that came to my head when you said transcoding 
[03:51] <ShawnR> yeah
[03:51] <govatent> i run the arm version of it 
[03:51] <govatent> i know there is mediatomb for free. but twonky is very nice for me anyways 
[03:55] <ShawnR> i used mediatomb to stream to the PS3 for a while
[03:55] <ShawnR> it has some issues though... wasn't so grand on updating libraries when you add content, etc
[04:02] <ShawnR> welp, i'm headed to bed, g'nite govatent nice seeing you again
[04:02] <govatent> yup. i will to in just a bit
[04:02] <govatent> good night catch ya later
[19:37] <Detox_at_Work> quick question ,,, the desktop live cd and the server cd,,, what is the difference?  Can I isntall the desktop one on server?
[19:37] <Detox_at_Work> I think the server cd is barebones and has no gui or many other things
[19:38] <Detox_at_Work> am I correct?