| bluesabre | ochosi, GridCube: What about gecko-mediaplayer for streams? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| GridCube | never heard of it | 00:01 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: we don't install mplayer by default | 00:01 |
| bluesabre | But would mplayer be lighter-weight than gnome dependencies? | 00:01 |
| bluesabre | (as far as parole vs totem that is) | 00:02 |
| ochosi | if option 1) is totem and option 2) is gstreamer+mplayer i'd go for option 3) | 00:02 |
| ochosi | :) | 00:02 |
| bluesabre | lol | 00:02 |
| ochosi | you know, shipping _two_ media player frameworks is not very sane | 00:03 |
| bluesabre | True | 00:03 |
| ochosi | either we switch to mplayer, then we should also kick parole | 00:03 |
| ochosi | or we look for a gstreamer based browser-plugin | 00:03 |
| bluesabre | How difficult is it to embed parole into the browser? I saw a hack that embedded evince for pdf viewing into firefox a while back | 00:03 |
| ochosi | i dunno, parole's code is a bit messed up though | 00:04 |
| ochosi | i worked on it a bit today | 00:04 |
| ochosi | i mean my skillset is limited | 00:04 |
| bluesabre | Looong ago: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/get-embedded-pdf-files-in-firefox-36-4.html Uses mplugger | 00:04 |
| ochosi | i mainly modified the UI for now | 00:04 |
| bluesabre | *mozplugger | 00:04 |
| ochosi | there was a parole-plugin for firefox | 00:05 |
| ochosi | it's either not packaged anymore because it doesn't work anymore or i dunno | 00:05 |
| ochosi | this is all i could find: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/natty/universe/base/browser-plugin-parole | 00:07 |
| pleia2 | I've never had very good luck with embedded players | 00:07 |
| bluesabre | Well, it still installs... | 00:08 |
| bluesabre | I wonder if it still works. | 00:09 |
| ochosi | quoted from the goodies page: "While it is already usuable the plugin is still fresh and needs more effort to make more stable." | 00:09 |
| ochosi | and the parole hasn't been maintained for at least a year or two | 00:09 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: sooo, does it still work? | 00:13 |
| bluesabre | Not having much luck in chrome at least | 00:13 |
| ochosi | the plugin is for gecko-based browsers though | 00:14 |
| ochosi | (chrome uses webkit) | 00:14 |
| ochosi | or wait, maybe it even uses something else based on webkit, not sure anymore | 00:14 |
| bluesabre | Doesn't look like it's working | 00:15 |
| bluesabre | I might try to compile against all the latest stuff later and try again | 00:15 |
| ochosi | the thing is: | 00:16 |
| ochosi | i was always in favor of replacing parole | 00:16 |
| ochosi | mainly because it's unmaintained | 00:16 |
| ochosi | but i haven't seen a convincing alternative yet | 00:16 |
| ochosi | it really is lightweight and fast | 00:16 |
| ochosi | and it has a UI (as opposed to mplayer) | 00:16 |
| bluesabre | You said it was all C, right? | 00:17 |
| ochosi | and it has much potential | 00:17 |
| ochosi | yeah | 00:17 |
| ochosi | the UI is in a very old glade version though | 00:17 |
| ochosi | (which sucks ass) | 00:17 |
| ochosi | i reworked it a bit today | 00:17 |
| bluesabre | You should create a test repo, maybe there is something that can be done for parole | 00:18 |
| bluesabre | Not a fan of C, but I do like lightweight things. | 00:18 |
| ochosi | well if you feel like writing a really dead-simple player in vala, i'll totally support you with all i have (which isn't much though) | 00:19 |
| bluesabre | I don't have much vala skill though :( | 00:20 |
| bluesabre | But that might be something to consider | 00:20 |
| ochosi | ok, well anything _but_ python then ;) | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, I know | 00:21 |
| ochosi | or let's say: anything that makes for a really responsive and lightweight player | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | We might be able to steal something from audience | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | and get rid of the custom interface | 00:21 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering where audience is stolen from | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | lol | 00:21 |
| bluesabre | gotta go for now, be back later | 00:21 |
| ochosi | usually elementary guys borrow quite a bit :) | 00:21 |
| ochosi | although that might not be the case anymore | 00:21 |
| ochosi | yeah, just replace clutter with gtk3 and we can go with audience | 00:22 |
| ochosi | k, ttyl | 00:22 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: still around? | 02:12 |
| ochosi | yuo | 02:12 |
| ochosi | i'm still tweaking parole's UI :) | 02:12 |
| ochosi | i'm actually making good progress on this list: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/parole-ui | 02:13 |
| ochosi | in case you're wondering: i wrote it myself ;) | 02:13 |
| ochosi | i have items 2,3,6 and 7 pretty much done | 02:14 |
| ochosi | the others i won't be able to fix i guess | 02:14 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ^ | 02:16 |
| bluesabre | Cool | 02:16 |
| bluesabre | I might be able to help with some of the other things on that list | 02:17 |
| bluesabre | In fact, I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be able to attain the mockup you provided | 02:20 |
| ochosi | i pushed things to a repo now btw | 02:21 |
| ochosi | unfortunately there's nothing set up in bzr | 02:22 |
| ochosi | and upstream uses git | 02:22 |
| ochosi | so i decided to use github for now | 02:22 |
| Unit193 | Sweet, in shimmer? | 02:22 |
| ochosi | no, right now it's here: https://github.com/ochosi/Parole | 02:23 |
| bluesabre | cool | 02:23 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i made you a "collaborator" in the project, i think that should give you commit/push rights | 02:23 |
| ochosi | if not let me know, then i have to take another look | 02:23 |
| bluesabre | alrighty | 02:23 |
| ochosi | btw, after having had a look at the code: | 02:24 |
| ochosi | the statusbar stuff is more tricky than i thought, because it also shows buffer-info | 02:24 |
| ochosi | we | 02:24 |
| ochosi | we'd have to think of a better way/place to show that if we want to drop the statusbar | 02:24 |
| ochosi | but maybe it's fine and we can keep it | 02:24 |
| ochosi | and only move the playing-position and duration next to the progress-scale | 02:25 |
| bluesabre | Ok | 02:27 |
| ochosi | i also updated the wikipage so we can keep a better overview over what's done | 02:29 |
| ochosi | next i'll try to do the gtkvolumebutton | 02:30 |
| bluesabre | sounds good | 02:32 |
| bluesabre | which, very conveniently has its own widget nowadays :D | 02:33 |
| ochosi | yup | 02:37 |
| ochosi | just need to adjust all the callbacks etc. | 02:37 |
| bluesabre | the parole developers sure did love HBoxes. | 02:40 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Could we put buffering information in the titlebar as well? It would rarely be used I would imagine, and only show when buffering was happening | 02:53 |
| bluesabre | somestream.wmv (Buffering 27%) | 02:53 |
| ochosi | it was only one developer :) | 02:53 |
| ochosi | well, that would mean we'd have to update the titlebar every second or so | 02:53 |
| ochosi | sounds costly to me | 02:53 |
| ochosi | i'd rather put it somewhere else | 02:54 |
| bluesabre | hmm | 02:54 |
| bluesabre | If you get any creative ideas, let me know :D | 02:54 |
| ochosi | ok :) | 02:55 |
| ochosi | btw, the volumebutton works | 02:55 |
| ochosi | but: | 02:55 |
| ochosi | i tried to set the "icon" property to "Button" | 02:55 |
| ochosi | because atm it uses menu-icon size | 02:56 |
| ochosi | (16px) | 02:56 |
| ochosi | which is particularly bad, because in elementary-xfce that's a white icon (for the dark panel) | 02:56 |
| ochosi | any ideas what i could be doing wrong there? | 02:56 |
| ochosi | <property name="size">Button</property> | 02:56 |
| ochosi | oh wait | 02:56 |
| ochosi | ok, i got it | 02:57 |
| ochosi | but why is it still using the white icon ... :( | 02:57 |
| bluesabre | dunno | 03:00 |
| bluesabre | At least in glade3 (gtk3), it looks like all the sizes use the white icon | 03:02 |
| bluesabre | Except for symbolic icons, which gtk2 lacks :( | 03:02 |
| ochosi | oh noes | 03:03 |
| ochosi | missing symlinks in elementary-xfce | 03:03 |
| bluesabre | Looks like its using: | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | audio-volume-muted | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | audio-volume-high | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | audio-volume-low | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | audio-volume-medium | 03:04 |
| ochosi | yeah | 03:04 |
| ochosi | strange | 03:04 |
| bluesabre | which I guess it's nabbing from panel..? | 03:04 |
| ochosi | we have those in 22px | 03:04 |
| ochosi | problem is, our index.theme sets the 22px icons to "fixed" | 03:05 |
| ochosi | so they won't be scaled | 03:06 |
| ochosi | actually i wonder whether we can drop all the audio-icons from the -dark theme that don't have the "-panel" suffix | 03:06 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: could you test what i've done so far? | 03:11 |
| ochosi | just to be sure it doesn't just work here... | 03:11 |
| bluesabre | Sure thing | 03:11 |
| bluesabre | Looks like it works for me | 03:18 |
| ochosi | sounds promising :) | 03:18 |
| bluesabre | I should be able to get the other things moved around. Just not tonight. It's too late to be staring at something non-python. :-D Probably work some magic tomorrow. | 03:19 |
| ochosi | hehe | 03:20 |
| ochosi | sure thing | 03:20 |
| ochosi | i actually stayed up far too late for this stuff now | 03:20 |
| ochosi | should get up in 5hrs :( | 03:21 |
| bluesabre | Ouch | 03:21 |
| bluesabre | Well, I'll be the first to give in. Have a good night! | 03:21 |
| ochosi | well otoh i was waiting for so long for someone too change these small annoyances in parole that i'm incredibly happy i did it myself | 03:21 |
| ochosi | yeah, you too! | 03:21 |
| ochosi | knome: i most likely won' | 09:07 |
| ochosi | knome: t be able to make the meeting today | 09:07 |
| ochosi | hey astraljava | 09:14 |
| astraljava | o/ | 09:15 |
| ochosi | how's it goin? | 09:16 |
| astraljava | I'm at work, so... you figure it out. *smirk* | 09:17 |
| ochosi | hehe | 09:18 |
| ochosi | well at least you obviously have time to irc there | 09:18 |
| ochosi | can't be _that_ bad ;) | 09:18 |
| astraljava | No it's not _that_ bad. | 09:18 |
| ochosi | anyway, i won't be able to make the meeting today :( | 09:19 |
| astraljava | It's fine. Do you have anything to report? | 09:19 |
| ochosi | at least i fear i won't be | 09:19 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's why i wanted to talk to someone :) | 09:20 |
| astraljava | Ok, shoot. | 09:20 |
| ochosi | greybird and bluebird have been fixed (in git) for quantal | 09:20 |
| ochosi | there were obvious bugs with unico, now i'm again interested in feedback by testers :) | 09:20 |
| astraljava | Alright, sweet. | 09:20 |
| ochosi | i started to work on UI modifications of parole | 09:20 |
| ochosi | roadmap is here: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/parole-ui | 09:21 |
| ochosi | code is here: https://github.com/ochosi/Parole | 09:21 |
| astraljava | Nice. | 09:21 |
| ochosi | the next meeting will be my last until late august | 09:22 |
| ochosi | (holidays) | 09:22 |
| ochosi | hope i can make it then, in two weeks | 09:22 |
| astraljava | I can post these as #infos when it's your slot. | 09:22 |
| ochosi | yes, please do so | 09:23 |
| astraljava | Thanks for the updates! | 09:23 |
| ochosi | ppl should feel free to test the parole changes | 09:23 |
| astraljava | Wanna mail a call for it on the lists? | 09:23 |
| ochosi | it's as easy as "git clone ... && sudo apt-get build-dep parole && ./autogen.sh && make && ./src/parole" | 09:24 |
| ochosi | that's be too much i think, cause atm it's just UI changes | 09:24 |
| ochosi | it would be ludicrous if i break something with that :p | 09:24 |
| astraljava | Sure. | 09:24 |
| ochosi | otoh who knows... | 09:24 |
| astraljava | Yeah you never know. :) | 09:24 |
| ochosi | i think i'll send that call as soon as i'm at the more essential changes that include more code refactoring | 09:25 |
| astraljava | At least I'm so capable of introducing new bugs while fixing present ones... | 09:25 |
| ochosi | :) | 09:25 |
| ochosi | guess you haven't had time yet for the display dialog? | 09:25 |
| ochosi | oh also: i'll be away next week (sun to sat) | 09:26 |
| ochosi | probably here sometimes, but mostly not | 09:26 |
| astraljava | No, I needed to work on jussi's website last night. | 09:27 |
| ochosi | okeydokey | 09:27 |
| astraljava | I'll continue fighting with the desktop when I get home tonight. | 09:27 |
| ochosi | do you think you'll get the code push-able or test-able while i'm still around? | 09:28 |
| astraljava | Before Sunday? | 09:28 |
| astraljava | It's possible, depends on when I get that machine running. | 09:29 |
| ochosi | ok | 09:29 |
| ochosi | anyway, i'm off now. prolly be back later | 09:29 |
| astraljava | Ok, see ya. | 09:30 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Small update, but the window title now displays the media name. | 11:02 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: oh great! | 11:18 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: then let's drop the window-title plugin | 11:21 |
| ochosi | (especially because it didn't work anyway) | 11:23 |
| ochosi | knome: we should test light-software-center soon | 11:28 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Now duration is in the right place. Haven't gotten elapsed time yet. btw, what is light-software-center? :) | 11:40 |
| ochosi | it's an alternative software center written in vala | 11:40 |
| ochosi | aimed to be simple and lightweight | 11:40 |
| bluesabre | neat | 11:41 |
| ochosi | hopefully :) | 11:42 |
| ochosi | then we could replace USC _and_ synaptic | 11:42 |
| hobgoblin | different than the loobylou one? | 11:45 |
| ochosi | hobgoblin: woot? | 11:45 |
| hobgoblin | or is it the same one? | 11:45 |
| ochosi | lubuntu software center you mean? | 11:46 |
| hobgoblin | yea | 11:46 |
| ochosi | well it's a rewrite of that, yeah | 11:46 |
| ochosi | but in vala | 11:46 |
| ochosi | i think lsc was in python or something | 11:46 |
| hobgoblin | right - thanks ochosi :) | 11:46 |
| hobgoblin | no idea - too close to voodoo for me :p | 11:46 |
| ochosi | also, light software center uses granite (elementary's widget library) | 11:46 |
| hobgoblin | I'd be happy to test it if it's needed - running 12.10 permanently now | 11:47 |
| ochosi | you would have to build it | 11:47 |
| ochosi | but if you could, that'd be great | 11:47 |
| hobgoblin | ok - I can do that - I am a helpful goblin when I can be :) | 11:48 |
| ochosi | hehe | 11:48 |
| ochosi | graet | 11:48 |
| hobgoblin | when it's ready to test let me know | 11:48 |
| ochosi | i think it is | 11:49 |
| ochosi | i mean basically i don't know for sure | 11:49 |
| ochosi | that's why testing would be needed | 11:49 |
| ochosi | to see how far they've come | 11:49 |
| hobgoblin | k - point me at it and let me loose then :) | 11:49 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: say, why did you change so much in parole.ui in the last commit? | 11:50 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i mean, what's the reason? | 11:50 |
| ochosi | (also: we should revert the size of the volume-button from large-toolbar to button) | 11:50 |
| ochosi | ok, pushed that change | 11:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: added another mockup for how i imagine streaming/buffering to look: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/parole-ui | 11:57 |
| ochosi | (in this case the scale-widget would also show the buffer-progress) | 11:58 |
| bluesabre | ah | 12:04 |
| bluesabre | We could show a progress bar there instead for buffering | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | since the user can't really adjust it | 12:05 |
| ochosi | we could. but i'm not sure we have to | 12:05 |
| ochosi | i mean the scale could work | 12:05 |
| ochosi | oh right | 12:05 |
| ochosi | yeah | 12:05 |
| bluesabre | or hide the adjustment | 12:06 |
| bluesabre | which i think is doable | 12:06 |
| ochosi | whichever is easier | 12:06 |
| ochosi | i'd be fine with either option | 12:06 |
| bluesabre | k, I'll tackle that today. Heading to work now. What time is the xubuntu-devel meeting? | 12:07 |
| ochosi | 15utc | 12:07 |
| bluesabre | Cool. Thanks. bbl | 12:08 |
| hobgoblin | ochosi: you mean this one? https://launchpad.net/light-software-center | 13:13 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Progress and duration now work with the slider. | 13:18 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: And I think I'm close to having the buffering moved as well. | 13:30 |
| bluesabre | at which point, no more statusbar | 13:30 |
| bluesabre | Anybody know of a good stream that I can use to test parole and buffering? | 13:51 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Well, since I didn' | 14:25 |
| bluesabre | t have any issues, I commited my changes. | 14:25 |
| knome | astraljava, going to be available on the meeting? | 14:35 |
| knome | Xubuntu community meeting in 30mins on #xubuntu-devel. Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings, everybody is welcome | 14:41 |
| knome | that is, 20mins. | 14:42 |
| ochosi | it looks like i'll actually be here | 14:44 |
| knome | heh | 14:44 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: great, pulling now | 14:44 |
| knome | good. | 14:44 |
| knome | i'm wondering if we have other attendees too | 14:44 |
| ochosi | astraljava should be there i guess | 14:44 |
| ochosi | at least i told him what do say on my behalf :) | 14:45 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: Working on the sidebar show/hide button now | 14:45 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: a-ha? what are you doing with that one? | 14:45 |
| ochosi | (i mean i already moved it to the menu) | 14:45 |
| bluesabre | oh | 14:46 |
| bluesabre | Still going off of this mockup | 14:46 |
| bluesabre | http://wiki.xfce.org/_detail/design/parole.png?id=design%3Aparole-ui | 14:46 |
| bluesabre | I'll stop :D | 14:46 |
| ochosi | no no, that's fine | 14:47 |
| ochosi | but i already moved the button | 14:47 |
| ochosi | if you look at the wiki-page, the item is striked through already | 14:47 |
| bluesabre | Indeed | 14:47 |
| ochosi | or at least i don't know what else to do with it | 14:47 |
| ochosi | we could also throw it into the context menu | 14:47 |
| ochosi | or make it a checkbutton | 14:47 |
| ochosi | at the moment it's a menu-item that gets updated labels | 14:47 |
| bluesabre | Right | 14:48 |
| ochosi | not very standard... | 14:48 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: looks fantastic! | 14:52 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: trying the streams now... | 14:53 |
| bluesabre | awesome | 14:53 |
| bluesabre | in theory, buffering progress _should_ work. | 14:53 |
| ochosi | ah | 14:55 |
| ochosi | i saw a progressbar pop out below the scale for a split-second | 14:55 |
| bluesabre | Woops, probably have the show and hide in the wrong order | 14:55 |
| bluesabre | easy fix | 14:55 |
| ochosi | hehe | 14:55 |
| ochosi | ok | 14:55 |
| bluesabre | Other than that, everything still works | 14:56 |
| bluesabre | ? | 14:56 |
| ochosi | the duration obviously doesn't make any sense there though | 14:56 |
| bluesabre | ? | 14:56 |
| bluesabre | Screenshot? | 14:56 |
| ochosi | oddly enough the theming of the scale seems broken | 14:56 |
| ochosi | http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-07112012-045717pm.php | 14:57 |
| ochosi | duration is of the mp3 i played before | 14:57 |
| ochosi | (it's in the list on the right) | 14:57 |
| ochosi | and the scale-button is bright now, which is odd | 14:57 |
| ochosi | why did you add so much new properties to the parole.ui file again? | 14:58 |
| bluesabre | I didn't add too many new properties... mostly just expand/not expand and not show all for one thing | 14:59 |
| ochosi | (i get a lot of scale-related glib/gdk/gdkpixbuf errors, but i think at least most of them were there before) | 14:59 |
| bluesabre | Might be a problem with the gtk version defined by the glade file or something | 15:00 |
| ochosi | what does use_action_appearance do? | 15:00 |
| bluesabre | I have no idea. | 15:00 |
| ochosi | a-ha | 15:00 |
| ochosi | so you didn't add it consciously? | 15:00 |
| pleia2 | meeting time? | 15:01 |
| knome | y! | 15:01 |
| knome | erm | 15:01 |
| knome | i'll visit the gents | 15:01 |
| knome | we can start after that, or feel free to go ahead already ;) | 15:01 |
| * pleia2 makes coffee | 15:01 | |
| * ochosi is left all alone in the "meeting-room" | 15:02 | |
| hobgoblin | is it lonely? | 15:03 |
| ochosi | totally | 15:03 |
| hobgoblin | :( | 15:03 |
| hobgoblin | get a sock puppet | 15:04 |
| knome | #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting | 15:04 |
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| knome | #chair ochosi astraljava pleia2 | 15:04 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: astraljava knome ochosi pleia2 | 15:04 |
| knome | #topic Items carried on | 15:04 |
| knome | #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting | 15:04 |
| knome | pleia2, is your "review target audience" done? | 15:05 |
| knome | release notes are written, and bluesabre has been in contact with people via ML | 15:05 |
| pleia2 | #info started review of target audience for marketing | 15:05 |
| knome | great! is there anything visible? ;) | 15:06 |
| pleia2 | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing | 15:06 |
| pleia2 | oh wait, it looks like my changes didn't save | 15:06 |
| knome | awwh | 15:06 |
| pleia2 | (boo travel and unreliable wifi) | 15:06 |
| knome | well, i suppose you have it in your head, so we are able to access that data later :P | 15:07 |
| pleia2 | #info changing the scope of that "Define the Xubuntu target audience" to be target /marketing/ audience, our actual target audience is defined in our strategy document | 15:07 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 15:07 |
| pleia2 | so I'll re-update in a bit :) | 15:07 |
| knome | great | 15:07 |
| knome | #subtopic Enable or disable compositor by default? | 15:08 |
| knome | astraljava, did you have some insight on this? | 15:08 |
| knome | there was a bug report or so... | 15:08 |
| knome | since janne has vanished, anybody else? | 15:09 |
| knome | allllllright. | 15:10 |
| ochosi | not sure | 15:10 |
| knome | :) | 15:10 |
| ochosi | i think ideally we should disable it by default in the live-session | 15:10 |
| ochosi | and enable it in the install | 15:10 |
| ochosi | although that might seem inconsistent | 15:11 |
| ochosi | but i think it does make some sense | 15:11 |
| knome | i don't know if/how that's possible technically | 15:11 |
| ochosi | should be possible, but i guess it would have to be discussed with our packagers | 15:11 |
| pleia2 | I don't love that idea, we tend to tell people to use the livecd to test if it works and they like it | 15:11 |
| ochosi | true | 15:11 |
| knome | yes, that raises the question "if we don't need the compositor on live, ..." | 15:11 |
| knome | generally, i'm not a huge fan of the compositor | 15:12 |
| ochosi | but otoh you don't use the live-cd for a longer period | 15:12 |
| knome | that's not to say there is something wrong with it, i just personally prefer to disable the compositor, since i'm getting a bit more clean environment that way | 15:12 |
| knome | sure, i can't use translucent panels, but imo those are not obligatory | 15:13 |
| ochosi | yeah, we should ensure everything looks good without the compositor as well | 15:13 |
| ochosi | but in general the shadows help do distinguish windows | 15:13 |
| knome | is there *any* tests done with and without the compositor on, is there a notable speed difference? | 15:13 |
| knome | and/or does enabling the compositor mean you should have at least some "power" in your GC? | 15:14 |
| ochosi | xfwm4's compositor is really lean | 15:15 |
| ochosi | but of course there are "issues" with proprietary drivers | 15:15 |
| ochosi | in all fairness, all compositors have those issues | 15:15 |
| knome | and generally, this leads us to the question of how far are we willing to go to pursue lightweightness | 15:16 |
| ochosi | and in fact there is upstream work going on atm to reduce them (mostly video-tearing) | 15:16 |
| pleia2 | fwiw, I don't use the compositor either | 15:16 |
| knome | in a way, i feel like that the compositor is a nice feature for those who want that extra bling, and because of that POV, i'm thinking "those who want it can enable it" | 15:16 |
| ochosi | pleia2: btw, i was mainly referring to switching the compositor off in the "install xubuntu" option, which only shows ubiquity | 15:16 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: oh, gotcha | 15:17 |
| ochosi | and we should strive to improve that anyhow, because there are no panels | 15:17 |
| ochosi | but notifications about joining networks etc | 15:17 |
| knome | how many of the people around actually use the translucent panels, for example? | 15:18 |
| knome | i think that's the biggest thing, at least the most prominent change, if we decide to disable compositor by default | 15:18 |
| ochosi | for me it's mostly the shadows behind windows | 15:18 |
| ochosi | we're currently using translucency in a very conservative way, which i think is good | 15:19 |
| knome | bigger window borders would fix "not distinguishing windows" without the shadows ;] | 15:19 |
| ochosi | but really, this seems to be a bit of a different discussion (compositor on in general or not), i'd rather continue with the meeting, i don't have too much time right now | 15:20 |
| knome | yes, i don't want to push the translucency-button any further | 15:20 |
| ochosi | thanks | 15:20 |
| knome | i mean :D | 15:20 |
| knome | at least, let's not get any less conservative as we are now | 15:20 |
| knome | :P | 15:20 |
| knome | but we can continue the meeting too. | 15:20 |
| knome | #topic Team updates | 15:20 |
| knome | #subtopic Development | 15:20 |
| knome | mr_pouit, micahg, astraljava | 15:20 |
| knome | moving on | 15:22 |
| knome | #subtopic QA | 15:22 |
| knome | astraljava, GridCube, Unit193, ? | 15:22 |
| knome | pleia2, ? :) | 15:22 |
| pleia2 | nothing from me | 15:22 |
| pleia2 | oh, we have a meeting coming up, QA-specific | 15:22 |
| pleia2 | this Sunday at 16:00 UTC | 15:23 |
| knome | i assume somebody's going to announce it somewhere? | 15:23 |
| pleia2 | yeah, astraljava should | 15:23 |
| knome | i mean, apart from this really quiet meeting | 15:23 |
| knome | #action astraljava to announce the QA meeting on sunday, 16utc to mailing list and other 'forums' | 15:24 |
| meetingology | ACTION: astraljava to announce the QA meeting on sunday, 16utc to mailing list and other 'forums' | 15:24 |
| knome | #subtopic Marketing, Promotion, Art | 15:24 |
| pleia2 | I have many things :) | 15:24 |
| knome | ochosi, do i really need to highlight you? ;) | 15:24 |
| knome | pleia2, just go ahead, with #info & #action | 15:25 |
| pleia2 | #info I contacted the owner of the most-maintained Facebook page about Xubuntu, and he agreed to let us make it the official one | 15:25 |
| pleia2 | #link https://www.facebook.com/xubuntuusers | 15:25 |
| knome | i assume you're an admin now too? | 15:25 |
| pleia2 | yep | 15:25 |
| knome | good :) | 15:26 |
| pleia2 | so we should add it to the site now (I can do that) | 15:26 |
| knome | great, thanks | 15:26 |
| pleia2 | I also wanted to say that it's been an exceptional experience approaching all these admins, google+, linkedin, facebook | 15:26 |
| pleia2 | they've all been happy to add me as admin and excited about having their sites made official | 15:26 |
| knome | :) | 15:26 |
| knome | now that we're this far, i suppose it's not a bad idea to cover more social networks | 15:27 |
| pleia2 | so I started writing a "thank you" blog post on my personal blog, should I keep this personal or maybe post it on xubuntu.org? | 15:27 |
| knome | at least if those groups already exist and we can just drop in | 15:27 |
| ochosi | i'm for the latter | 15:27 |
| knome | xubuntu.org definitely :) | 15:27 |
| pleia2 | #action pleia2 to add Facebook page to website | 15:27 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to add Facebook page to website | 15:27 |
| knome | it's a thanks from the whole (dev) community | 15:27 |
| pleia2 | #action pleia2 to draft "thank you" blog post to social media admins | 15:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to draft "thank you" blog post to social media admins | 15:28 |
| knome | also, another way to tell people that they can join/follow/like... | 15:28 |
| pleia2 | yeah :) | 15:28 |
| pleia2 | also, I'm doing a Xubuntu presentation on Saturday | 15:28 |
| knome | "now that we have done this really exhaustive taking-over..." ;) | 15:28 |
| pleia2 | micahg and ochosi already reviewed, I merged their changes in: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/xubuntu-feltonlug.pdf | 15:28 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 15:28 |
| pleia2 | in case anyone wants to review today | 15:29 |
| knome | what, can i ask questions too about xubuntu? | 15:29 |
| knome | though i'm not sure if even *200* slides would go in that case.. | 15:29 |
| pleia2 | no, you know everything | 15:29 |
| pleia2 | but if there is anything I am obviously missing, comments welcome :) | 15:29 |
| knome | ok, i'll try to get around to reading it | 15:29 |
| knome | by when do you need feedbak? | 15:30 |
| knome | +c | 15:30 |
| pleia2 | today would be preferred, I am starting to practice actually giving it | 15:30 |
| knome | ok | 15:30 |
| pleia2 | thank you :) | 15:30 |
| pleia2 | and finally... | 15:30 |
| knome | at least for the slide 16, mention (gtk3) updates for albatross and bluebird too :) | 15:30 |
| knome | aaand you lack ochosi from the reviwers ;) | 15:31 |
| pleia2 | oh hm, I changed that to say "Xubuntu's default themes" | 15:31 |
| knome | ok | 15:31 |
| knome | :) | 15:31 |
| pleia2 | that's odd, it uploaded but didn't seem to update the download | 15:31 |
| ochosi | yup, i already mentioned that in my review ;) | 15:31 |
| * pleia2 retries | 15:31 | |
| pleia2 | ok, try download again | 15:31 |
| pleia2 | maybe sftp didn't auto-override the old file or something | 15:32 |
| knome | pleia2, in slide 9, maybe replace "background" with "wallpaper" | 15:32 |
| pleia2 | #info I ordered a black t-shirt from zazzle.com with the design from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Products#T-shirts (lack the ubuntu font though) | 15:32 |
| knome | pleia2, (and optionally add ", general appearance..." | 15:32 |
| knome | ) | 15:32 |
| knome | awwh! | 15:32 |
| knome | pics? | 15:32 |
| pleia2 | #info I'll report back on how it goes, they were having a sale so I figured I'd give it a try :) | 15:32 |
| knome | ah | 15:33 |
| knome | so it hasn't arrived yet ;) | 15:33 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 15:33 |
| * ochosi goes to the loo for a sec | 15:33 | |
| knome | pleia2, slide 11, first bullet "Join (#)xubuntu-devel mailing list and IRC channel" | 15:33 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 15:34 |
| ochosi | re | 15:34 |
| knome | pleia2, and in pg 14 too, last bullet; background->wallpaper, and maybe sth like "for example" | 15:34 |
| ochosi | #info Albatross has been fully ported to Gtk3, it also has a metacity theme now and supports Unity | 15:35 |
| knome | \o/ | 15:35 |
| ochosi | #action Shimmer-Team to write a blog-post about the Albatross progress | 15:35 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Shimmer-Team to write a blog-post about the Albatross progress | 15:35 |
| pleia2 | ok, went with "Attend meetings to voice your opinion on proposed changes to artwork, wallpaper and other visual changes" | 15:35 |
| knome | #info Albatross xfwm-refresh is very much WIP... | 15:35 |
| pleia2 | maybe visual elements | 15:35 |
| ochosi | #info ochosi is trying with the help of a new contributor to port Greybird to pure CSS (no more unico engine in Gtk3 hopefully) | 15:36 |
| knome | pleia2, pg17, 3. bull; "panel applets..." | 15:36 |
| ochosi | #info Some small bugs have been squashed in Bluebird and Greybird in Gtk3 for Quantal already, but we need more testing | 15:36 |
| ochosi | #info We also need more testing for missing icons | 15:37 |
| ochosi | that's about it from the artwork-side | 15:37 |
| knome | ochosi, can you follow-up on the icons with astraljava, so we could get a special mention for the rest of our 12.10 milestones? :) | 15:37 |
| ochosi | what do you mean exactly? | 15:38 |
| knome | pleia2, pg19, last bullet, please add a slash add the end of the line ;) | 15:39 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 15:39 |
| knome | ochosi, we can tell our testers to look specifically at the icons | 15:39 |
| ochosi | i think the long-test already contains something like that | 15:40 |
| ochosi | i added it myself | 15:40 |
| knome | ok | 15:40 |
| knome | heh, fine... | 15:40 |
| ochosi | check point 11 here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Long | 15:40 |
| knome | since we're *kind of* changing our icon theme, maybe that could be a part of the short test for the 12.10 cycle | 15:40 |
| knome | anyway, i suppose that was it for the artwork | 15:41 |
| knome | #topic New and emerging items | 15:41 |
| knome | #subtopic BP: Add more launchers to Settings Manager | 15:41 |
| knome | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-settings-manager-launchers | 15:42 |
| knome | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps | 15:42 |
| knome | Unit193, you around? | 15:42 |
| knome | ok, let's carry on | 15:43 |
| knome | #subtopic Encryption required for testing on milestones? | 15:43 |
| knome | who added this? astraljava? :) | 15:44 |
| knome | or me...? :P | 15:44 |
| ochosi | look at the wiki-log? | 15:45 |
| knome | that's too long | 15:45 |
| knome | i suppose this means if we should have the encryption -testcase on milestones | 15:45 |
| knome | or, any other ideas what this could mean? | 15:45 |
| knome | (yes, i know i might've added this myself... ;)) | 15:46 |
| knome | oh, no, that's astraljava | 15:46 |
| knome | since he doesn't seem to be around, let's carry on :) | 15:46 |
| knome | #subtopic Testcases feedback | 15:46 |
| knome | astraljava's too, carry on... | 15:46 |
| knome | #subtopic Do we need screensaver by default or would a screenlock suffice? | 15:47 |
| pleia2 | no screensaver | 15:47 |
| knome | +1 | 15:47 |
| ochosi | +1 | 15:47 |
| bluesabre | +1 | 15:47 |
| knome | the default savers aren't very good looking anyway | 15:47 |
| knome | #agree Drop screensavers by default | 15:47 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 15:48 |
| ochosi | great | 15:48 |
| bluesabre | no screensaver, but monitor power management enabled? | 15:48 |
| knome | bluesabre, sure. | 15:48 |
| knome | bluesabre, screensaver is just the visual thingy. | 15:48 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I think we just set it to blank instead | 15:48 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, but I think the default settings don't power off the monitor | 15:48 |
| ochosi | we need a screenlocker though | 15:49 |
| ochosi | it actually is a planned feature of lightdm | 15:49 |
| ochosi | no clue what the progress is on that though | 15:49 |
| knome | #nick xubuntu-team | 15:49 |
| knome | #action xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker | 15:49 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker | 15:49 |
| knome | #action xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management | 15:50 |
| meetingology | ACTION: xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management | 15:50 |
| knome | #subtopic Schedule next meeting | 15:50 |
| knome | is there a milestone that requires us to have a meeting next week? | 15:50 |
| knome | apparently not | 15:50 |
| knome | no, wait | 15:51 |
| knome | we do | 15:52 |
| pleia2 | yeah, next milestone in 2 weeks + 1 day | 15:53 |
| knome | #action knome to announce the next meeting, which will be held on 18th of July at #xubuntu-devel | 15:53 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to announce the next meeting, which will be held on 18th of July at #xubuntu-devel | 15:53 |
| knome | that date even made sense! | 15:53 |
| knome | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Jul 11 15:53:46 2012 UTC. | 15:53 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-07-11-15.04.moin.txt | 15:53 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-07-11-15.04.html | 15:53 |
| knome | tara | 15:53 |
| pleia2 | ty | 15:53 |
| ochosi | thanks | 15:54 |
| knome | i'll set up the minutes later today, unless somebody wants to do that now? | 15:54 |
| knome | :P | 15:54 |
| pleia2 | work time for me now | 15:55 |
| knome | hehe, yeah, i was waiting for the excuses! | 15:55 |
| knome | ,) | 15:55 |
| knome | np if you can't | 15:55 |
| pleia2 | :) | 15:55 |
| knome | i'm off to think what to eat, see you later | 15:55 |
| pleia2 | enjoy | 15:55 |
| knome | hehe, thanks | 15:55 |
| knome | i'll try to... | 15:56 |
| genii-around | Interesting to see the meeting bot in actual action. We are thinking to use it for our LoCo meetings. | 15:56 |
| knome | genii-around, i can recommend it; even if the output logs are not perfect -yet | 16:30 |
| genii-around | knome: I was playing with it a bit in #meetingology yesterday, trying to get the hang of how it works. JoseeAntonioR kind enough to assist some. I like it basically summarizes then you could always look at the full log if you want to see what everyone actually said in the channel, etc. | 16:35 |
| knome | yes, but of course, you need to use it correctly so it can give you the "minutes" ;) | 16:36 |
| genii-around | That's the tricky part, yeah. So it was good for me to see actual usage here | 16:40 |
| knome | glad that we could help :) | 16:40 |
| === Soupermanito is now known as GridCube_ | ||
| Unit193 | knome: I am now. :P | 17:47 |
| knome | well, yeah ;) | 17:50 |
| micahg | knome: I should be able to make the meeting in future weeks | 18:35 |
| knome | micahg, great! :) | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | oh right, added next one to calendar | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | and facebook link is now on our site | 19:32 |
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