[00:00] ochosi, GridCube: What about gecko-mediaplayer for streams? [00:01] never heard of it [00:01] bluesabre: we don't install mplayer by default [00:01] But would mplayer be lighter-weight than gnome dependencies? [00:02] (as far as parole vs totem that is) [00:02] if option 1) is totem and option 2) is gstreamer+mplayer i'd go for option 3) [00:02] :) [00:02] lol [00:03] you know, shipping _two_ media player frameworks is not very sane [00:03] True [00:03] either we switch to mplayer, then we should also kick parole [00:03] or we look for a gstreamer based browser-plugin [00:03] How difficult is it to embed parole into the browser? I saw a hack that embedded evince for pdf viewing into firefox a while back [00:04] i dunno, parole's code is a bit messed up though [00:04] i worked on it a bit today [00:04] i mean my skillset is limited [00:04] Looong ago: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/get-embedded-pdf-files-in-firefox-36-4.html Uses mplugger [00:04] i mainly modified the UI for now [00:04] *mozplugger [00:05] there was a parole-plugin for firefox [00:05] it's either not packaged anymore because it doesn't work anymore or i dunno [00:07] this is all i could find: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/natty/universe/base/browser-plugin-parole [00:07] I've never had very good luck with embedded players [00:08] Well, it still installs... [00:09] I wonder if it still works. [00:09] quoted from the goodies page: "While it is already usuable the plugin is still fresh and needs more effort to make more stable." [00:09] and the parole hasn't been maintained for at least a year or two [00:13] bluesabre: sooo, does it still work? [00:13] Not having much luck in chrome at least [00:14] the plugin is for gecko-based browsers though [00:14] (chrome uses webkit) [00:14] or wait, maybe it even uses something else based on webkit, not sure anymore [00:15] Doesn't look like it's working [00:15] I might try to compile against all the latest stuff later and try again [00:16] the thing is: [00:16] i was always in favor of replacing parole [00:16] mainly because it's unmaintained [00:16] but i haven't seen a convincing alternative yet [00:16] it really is lightweight and fast [00:16] and it has a UI (as opposed to mplayer) [00:17] You said it was all C, right? [00:17] and it has much potential [00:17] yeah [00:17] the UI is in a very old glade version though [00:17] (which sucks ass) [00:17] i reworked it a bit today [00:18] You should create a test repo, maybe there is something that can be done for parole [00:18] Not a fan of C, but I do like lightweight things. [00:19] well if you feel like writing a really dead-simple player in vala, i'll totally support you with all i have (which isn't much though) [00:20] I don't have much vala skill though :( [00:20] But that might be something to consider [00:21] ok, well anything _but_ python then ;) [00:21] Yeah, I know [00:21] or let's say: anything that makes for a really responsive and lightweight player [00:21] We might be able to steal something from audience [00:21] and get rid of the custom interface [00:21] i'm wondering where audience is stolen from [00:21] lol [00:21] gotta go for now, be back later [00:21] usually elementary guys borrow quite a bit :) [00:21] although that might not be the case anymore [00:22] yeah, just replace clutter with gtk3 and we can go with audience [00:22] k, ttyl [02:12] ochosi: still around? [02:12] yuo [02:12] i'm still tweaking parole's UI :) [02:13] i'm actually making good progress on this list: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/parole-ui [02:13] in case you're wondering: i wrote it myself ;) [02:14] i have items 2,3,6 and 7 pretty much done [02:14] the others i won't be able to fix i guess [02:16] bluesabre: ^ [02:16] Cool [02:17] I might be able to help with some of the other things on that list [02:20] In fact, I don't see any reason why we wouldn't be able to attain the mockup you provided [02:21] i pushed things to a repo now btw [02:22] unfortunately there's nothing set up in bzr [02:22] and upstream uses git [02:22] so i decided to use github for now [02:22] Sweet, in shimmer? [02:23] no, right now it's here: https://github.com/ochosi/Parole [02:23] cool [02:23] bluesabre: i made you a "collaborator" in the project, i think that should give you commit/push rights [02:23] if not let me know, then i have to take another look [02:23] alrighty [02:24] btw, after having had a look at the code: [02:24] the statusbar stuff is more tricky than i thought, because it also shows buffer-info [02:24] we [02:24] we'd have to think of a better way/place to show that if we want to drop the statusbar [02:24] but maybe it's fine and we can keep it [02:25] and only move the playing-position and duration next to the progress-scale [02:27] Ok [02:29] i also updated the wikipage so we can keep a better overview over what's done [02:30] next i'll try to do the gtkvolumebutton [02:32] sounds good [02:33] which, very conveniently has its own widget nowadays :D [02:37] yup [02:37] just need to adjust all the callbacks etc. [02:40] the parole developers sure did love HBoxes. [02:53] ochosi: Could we put buffering information in the titlebar as well? It would rarely be used I would imagine, and only show when buffering was happening [02:53] somestream.wmv (Buffering 27%) [02:53] it was only one developer :) [02:53] well, that would mean we'd have to update the titlebar every second or so [02:53] sounds costly to me [02:54] i'd rather put it somewhere else [02:54] hmm [02:54] If you get any creative ideas, let me know :D [02:55] ok :) [02:55] btw, the volumebutton works [02:55] but: [02:55] i tried to set the "icon" property to "Button" [02:56] because atm it uses menu-icon size [02:56] (16px) [02:56] which is particularly bad, because in elementary-xfce that's a white icon (for the dark panel) [02:56] any ideas what i could be doing wrong there? [02:56] Button [02:56] oh wait [02:57] ok, i got it [02:57] but why is it still using the white icon ... :( [03:00] dunno [03:02] At least in glade3 (gtk3), it looks like all the sizes use the white icon [03:02] Except for symbolic icons, which gtk2 lacks :( [03:03] oh noes [03:03] missing symlinks in elementary-xfce [03:04] Looks like its using: [03:04] audio-volume-muted [03:04] audio-volume-high [03:04] audio-volume-low [03:04] audio-volume-medium [03:04] yeah [03:04] strange [03:04] which I guess it's nabbing from panel..? [03:04] we have those in 22px [03:05] problem is, our index.theme sets the 22px icons to "fixed" [03:06] so they won't be scaled [03:06] actually i wonder whether we can drop all the audio-icons from the -dark theme that don't have the "-panel" suffix [03:11] bluesabre: could you test what i've done so far? [03:11] just to be sure it doesn't just work here... [03:11] Sure thing [03:18] Looks like it works for me [03:18] sounds promising :) [03:19] I should be able to get the other things moved around. Just not tonight. It's too late to be staring at something non-python. :-D Probably work some magic tomorrow. [03:20] hehe [03:20] sure thing [03:20] i actually stayed up far too late for this stuff now [03:21] should get up in 5hrs :( [03:21] Ouch [03:21] Well, I'll be the first to give in. Have a good night! [03:21] well otoh i was waiting for so long for someone too change these small annoyances in parole that i'm incredibly happy i did it myself [03:21] yeah, you too! [09:07] knome: i most likely won' [09:07] knome: t be able to make the meeting today [09:14] hey astraljava [09:15] o/ [09:16] how's it goin? [09:17] I'm at work, so... you figure it out. *smirk* [09:18] hehe [09:18] well at least you obviously have time to irc there [09:18] can't be _that_ bad ;) [09:18] No it's not _that_ bad. [09:19] anyway, i won't be able to make the meeting today :( [09:19] It's fine. Do you have anything to report? [09:19] at least i fear i won't be [09:20] yeah, that's why i wanted to talk to someone :) [09:20] Ok, shoot. [09:20] greybird and bluebird have been fixed (in git) for quantal [09:20] there were obvious bugs with unico, now i'm again interested in feedback by testers :) [09:20] Alright, sweet. [09:20] i started to work on UI modifications of parole [09:21] roadmap is here: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/parole-ui [09:21] code is here: https://github.com/ochosi/Parole [09:21] Nice. [09:22] the next meeting will be my last until late august [09:22] (holidays) [09:22] hope i can make it then, in two weeks [09:22] I can post these as #infos when it's your slot. [09:23] yes, please do so [09:23] Thanks for the updates! [09:23] ppl should feel free to test the parole changes [09:23] Wanna mail a call for it on the lists? [09:24] it's as easy as "git clone ... && sudo apt-get build-dep parole && ./autogen.sh && make && ./src/parole" [09:24] that's be too much i think, cause atm it's just UI changes [09:24] it would be ludicrous if i break something with that :p [09:24] Sure. [09:24] otoh who knows... [09:24] Yeah you never know. :) [09:25] i think i'll send that call as soon as i'm at the more essential changes that include more code refactoring [09:25] At least I'm so capable of introducing new bugs while fixing present ones... [09:25] :) [09:25] guess you haven't had time yet for the display dialog? [09:26] oh also: i'll be away next week (sun to sat) [09:26] probably here sometimes, but mostly not [09:27] No, I needed to work on jussi's website last night. [09:27] okeydokey [09:27] I'll continue fighting with the desktop when I get home tonight. [09:28] do you think you'll get the code push-able or test-able while i'm still around? [09:28] Before Sunday? [09:29] It's possible, depends on when I get that machine running. [09:29] ok [09:29] anyway, i'm off now. prolly be back later [09:30] Ok, see ya. [11:02] ochosi: Small update, but the window title now displays the media name. [11:18] bluesabre: oh great! [11:21] bluesabre: then let's drop the window-title plugin [11:23] (especially because it didn't work anyway) [11:28] knome: we should test light-software-center soon [11:40] ochosi: Now duration is in the right place. Haven't gotten elapsed time yet. btw, what is light-software-center? :) [11:40] it's an alternative software center written in vala [11:40] aimed to be simple and lightweight [11:41] neat [11:42] hopefully :) [11:42] then we could replace USC _and_ synaptic [11:45] different than the loobylou one? [11:45] hobgoblin: woot? [11:45] or is it the same one? [11:46] lubuntu software center you mean? [11:46] yea [11:46] well it's a rewrite of that, yeah [11:46] but in vala [11:46] i think lsc was in python or something [11:46] right - thanks ochosi :) [11:46] no idea - too close to voodoo for me :p [11:46] also, light software center uses granite (elementary's widget library) [11:47] I'd be happy to test it if it's needed - running 12.10 permanently now [11:47] you would have to build it [11:47] but if you could, that'd be great [11:48] ok - I can do that - I am a helpful goblin when I can be :) [11:48] hehe [11:48] graet [11:48] when it's ready to test let me know [11:49] i think it is [11:49] i mean basically i don't know for sure [11:49] that's why testing would be needed [11:49] to see how far they've come [11:49] k - point me at it and let me loose then :) [11:50] bluesabre: say, why did you change so much in parole.ui in the last commit? [11:50] bluesabre: i mean, what's the reason? [11:50] (also: we should revert the size of the volume-button from large-toolbar to button) [11:52] ok, pushed that change [11:57] bluesabre: added another mockup for how i imagine streaming/buffering to look: http://wiki.xfce.org/design/parole-ui [11:58] (in this case the scale-widget would also show the buffer-progress) [12:04] ah [12:05] We could show a progress bar there instead for buffering [12:05] since the user can't really adjust it [12:05] we could. but i'm not sure we have to [12:05] i mean the scale could work [12:05] oh right [12:05] yeah [12:06] or hide the adjustment [12:06] which i think is doable [12:06] whichever is easier [12:06] i'd be fine with either option [12:07] k, I'll tackle that today. Heading to work now. What time is the xubuntu-devel meeting? [12:07] 15utc [12:08] Cool. Thanks. bbl [13:13] ochosi: you mean this one? https://launchpad.net/light-software-center [13:18] ochosi: Progress and duration now work with the slider. [13:30] ochosi: And I think I'm close to having the buffering moved as well. [13:30] at which point, no more statusbar [13:51] Anybody know of a good stream that I can use to test parole and buffering? [14:25] ochosi: Well, since I didn' [14:25] t have any issues, I commited my changes. [14:35] astraljava, going to be available on the meeting? [14:41] Xubuntu community meeting in 30mins on #xubuntu-devel. Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings, everybody is welcome [14:42] that is, 20mins. [14:44] it looks like i'll actually be here [14:44] heh [14:44] bluesabre: great, pulling now [14:44] good. [14:44] i'm wondering if we have other attendees too [14:44] astraljava should be there i guess [14:45] at least i told him what do say on my behalf :) [14:45] ochosi: Working on the sidebar show/hide button now [14:45] bluesabre: a-ha? what are you doing with that one? [14:45] (i mean i already moved it to the menu) [14:46] oh [14:46] Still going off of this mockup [14:46] http://wiki.xfce.org/_detail/design/parole.png?id=design%3Aparole-ui [14:46] I'll stop :D [14:47] no no, that's fine [14:47] but i already moved the button [14:47] if you look at the wiki-page, the item is striked through already [14:47] Indeed [14:47] or at least i don't know what else to do with it [14:47] we could also throw it into the context menu [14:47] or make it a checkbutton [14:47] at the moment it's a menu-item that gets updated labels [14:48] Right [14:48] not very standard... [14:52] bluesabre: looks fantastic! [14:53] bluesabre: trying the streams now... [14:53] awesome [14:53] in theory, buffering progress _should_ work. [14:55] ah [14:55] i saw a progressbar pop out below the scale for a split-second [14:55] Woops, probably have the show and hide in the wrong order [14:55] easy fix [14:55] hehe [14:55] ok [14:56] Other than that, everything still works [14:56] ? [14:56] the duration obviously doesn't make any sense there though [14:56] ? [14:56] Screenshot? [14:56] oddly enough the theming of the scale seems broken [14:57] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-07112012-045717pm.php [14:57] duration is of the mp3 i played before [14:57] (it's in the list on the right) [14:57] and the scale-button is bright now, which is odd [14:58] why did you add so much new properties to the parole.ui file again? [14:59] I didn't add too many new properties... mostly just expand/not expand and not show all for one thing [14:59] (i get a lot of scale-related glib/gdk/gdkpixbuf errors, but i think at least most of them were there before) [15:00] Might be a problem with the gtk version defined by the glade file or something [15:00] what does use_action_appearance do? [15:00] I have no idea. [15:00] a-ha [15:00] so you didn't add it consciously? [15:01] meeting time? [15:01] y! [15:01] erm [15:01] i'll visit the gents [15:01] we can start after that, or feel free to go ahead already ;) [15:01] * pleia2 makes coffee [15:02] * ochosi is left all alone in the "meeting-room" [15:03] is it lonely? [15:03] totally [15:03] :( [15:04] get a sock puppet [15:04] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [15:04] Meeting started Wed Jul 11 15:04:26 2012 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:04] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:04] #chair ochosi astraljava pleia2 [15:04] Current chairs: astraljava knome ochosi pleia2 [15:04] #topic Items carried on [15:04] #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting [15:05] pleia2, is your "review target audience" done? [15:05] release notes are written, and bluesabre has been in contact with people via ML [15:05] #info started review of target audience for marketing [15:06] great! is there anything visible? ;) [15:06] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing [15:06] oh wait, it looks like my changes didn't save [15:06] awwh [15:06] (boo travel and unreliable wifi) [15:07] well, i suppose you have it in your head, so we are able to access that data later :P [15:07] #info changing the scope of that "Define the Xubuntu target audience" to be target /marketing/ audience, our actual target audience is defined in our strategy document [15:07] yeah [15:07] so I'll re-update in a bit :) [15:07] great [15:08] #subtopic Enable or disable compositor by default? [15:08] astraljava, did you have some insight on this? [15:08] there was a bug report or so... [15:09] since janne has vanished, anybody else? [15:10] allllllright. [15:10] not sure [15:10] :) [15:10] i think ideally we should disable it by default in the live-session [15:10] and enable it in the install [15:11] although that might seem inconsistent [15:11] but i think it does make some sense [15:11] i don't know if/how that's possible technically [15:11] should be possible, but i guess it would have to be discussed with our packagers [15:11] I don't love that idea, we tend to tell people to use the livecd to test if it works and they like it [15:11] true [15:11] yes, that raises the question "if we don't need the compositor on live, ..." [15:12] generally, i'm not a huge fan of the compositor [15:12] but otoh you don't use the live-cd for a longer period [15:12] that's not to say there is something wrong with it, i just personally prefer to disable the compositor, since i'm getting a bit more clean environment that way [15:13] sure, i can't use translucent panels, but imo those are not obligatory [15:13] yeah, we should ensure everything looks good without the compositor as well [15:13] but in general the shadows help do distinguish windows [15:13] is there *any* tests done with and without the compositor on, is there a notable speed difference? [15:14] and/or does enabling the compositor mean you should have at least some "power" in your GC? [15:15] xfwm4's compositor is really lean [15:15] but of course there are "issues" with proprietary drivers [15:15] in all fairness, all compositors have those issues [15:16] and generally, this leads us to the question of how far are we willing to go to pursue lightweightness [15:16] and in fact there is upstream work going on atm to reduce them (mostly video-tearing) [15:16] fwiw, I don't use the compositor either [15:16] in a way, i feel like that the compositor is a nice feature for those who want that extra bling, and because of that POV, i'm thinking "those who want it can enable it" [15:16] pleia2: btw, i was mainly referring to switching the compositor off in the "install xubuntu" option, which only shows ubiquity [15:17] ochosi: oh, gotcha [15:17] and we should strive to improve that anyhow, because there are no panels [15:17] but notifications about joining networks etc [15:18] how many of the people around actually use the translucent panels, for example? [15:18] i think that's the biggest thing, at least the most prominent change, if we decide to disable compositor by default [15:18] for me it's mostly the shadows behind windows [15:19] we're currently using translucency in a very conservative way, which i think is good [15:19] bigger window borders would fix "not distinguishing windows" without the shadows ;] [15:20] but really, this seems to be a bit of a different discussion (compositor on in general or not), i'd rather continue with the meeting, i don't have too much time right now [15:20] yes, i don't want to push the translucency-button any further [15:20] thanks [15:20] i mean :D [15:20] at least, let's not get any less conservative as we are now [15:20] :P [15:20] but we can continue the meeting too. [15:20] #topic Team updates [15:20] #subtopic Development [15:20] mr_pouit, micahg, astraljava [15:22] moving on [15:22] #subtopic QA [15:22] astraljava, GridCube, Unit193, ? [15:22] pleia2, ? :) [15:22] nothing from me [15:22] oh, we have a meeting coming up, QA-specific [15:23] this Sunday at 16:00 UTC [15:23] i assume somebody's going to announce it somewhere? [15:23] yeah, astraljava should [15:23] i mean, apart from this really quiet meeting [15:24] #action astraljava to announce the QA meeting on sunday, 16utc to mailing list and other 'forums' [15:24] ACTION: astraljava to announce the QA meeting on sunday, 16utc to mailing list and other 'forums' [15:24] #subtopic Marketing, Promotion, Art [15:24] I have many things :) [15:24] ochosi, do i really need to highlight you? ;) [15:25] pleia2, just go ahead, with #info & #action [15:25] #info I contacted the owner of the most-maintained Facebook page about Xubuntu, and he agreed to let us make it the official one [15:25] #link https://www.facebook.com/xubuntuusers [15:25] i assume you're an admin now too? [15:25] yep [15:26] good :) [15:26] so we should add it to the site now (I can do that) [15:26] great, thanks [15:26] I also wanted to say that it's been an exceptional experience approaching all these admins, google+, linkedin, facebook [15:26] they've all been happy to add me as admin and excited about having their sites made official [15:26] :) [15:27] now that we're this far, i suppose it's not a bad idea to cover more social networks [15:27] so I started writing a "thank you" blog post on my personal blog, should I keep this personal or maybe post it on xubuntu.org? [15:27] at least if those groups already exist and we can just drop in [15:27] i'm for the latter [15:27] xubuntu.org definitely :) [15:27] #action pleia2 to add Facebook page to website [15:27] ACTION: pleia2 to add Facebook page to website [15:27] it's a thanks from the whole (dev) community [15:28] #action pleia2 to draft "thank you" blog post to social media admins [15:28] ACTION: pleia2 to draft "thank you" blog post to social media admins [15:28] also, another way to tell people that they can join/follow/like... [15:28] yeah :) [15:28] also, I'm doing a Xubuntu presentation on Saturday [15:28] "now that we have done this really exhaustive taking-over..." ;) [15:28] micahg and ochosi already reviewed, I merged their changes in: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/xubuntu/xubuntu-feltonlug.pdf [15:28] hehe [15:29] in case anyone wants to review today [15:29] what, can i ask questions too about xubuntu? [15:29] though i'm not sure if even *200* slides would go in that case.. [15:29] no, you know everything [15:29] but if there is anything I am obviously missing, comments welcome :) [15:29] ok, i'll try to get around to reading it [15:30] by when do you need feedbak? [15:30] +c [15:30] today would be preferred, I am starting to practice actually giving it [15:30] ok [15:30] thank you :) [15:30] and finally... [15:30] at least for the slide 16, mention (gtk3) updates for albatross and bluebird too :) [15:31] aaand you lack ochosi from the reviwers ;) [15:31] oh hm, I changed that to say "Xubuntu's default themes" [15:31] ok [15:31] :) [15:31] that's odd, it uploaded but didn't seem to update the download [15:31] yup, i already mentioned that in my review ;) [15:31] * pleia2 retries [15:31] ok, try download again [15:32] maybe sftp didn't auto-override the old file or something [15:32] pleia2, in slide 9, maybe replace "background" with "wallpaper" [15:32] #info I ordered a black t-shirt from zazzle.com with the design from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/Products#T-shirts (lack the ubuntu font though) [15:32] pleia2, (and optionally add ", general appearance..." [15:32] ) [15:32] awwh! [15:32] pics? [15:32] #info I'll report back on how it goes, they were having a sale so I figured I'd give it a try :) [15:33] ah [15:33] so it hasn't arrived yet ;) [15:33] yeah [15:33] * ochosi goes to the loo for a sec [15:33] pleia2, slide 11, first bullet "Join (#)xubuntu-devel mailing list and IRC channel" [15:34] thanks [15:34] re [15:34] pleia2, and in pg 14 too, last bullet; background->wallpaper, and maybe sth like "for example" [15:35] #info Albatross has been fully ported to Gtk3, it also has a metacity theme now and supports Unity [15:35] \o/ [15:35] #action Shimmer-Team to write a blog-post about the Albatross progress [15:35] ACTION: Shimmer-Team to write a blog-post about the Albatross progress [15:35] ok, went with "Attend meetings to voice your opinion on proposed changes to artwork, wallpaper and other visual changes" [15:35] #info Albatross xfwm-refresh is very much WIP... [15:35] maybe visual elements [15:36] #info ochosi is trying with the help of a new contributor to port Greybird to pure CSS (no more unico engine in Gtk3 hopefully) [15:36] pleia2, pg17, 3. bull; "panel applets..." [15:36] #info Some small bugs have been squashed in Bluebird and Greybird in Gtk3 for Quantal already, but we need more testing [15:37] #info We also need more testing for missing icons [15:37] that's about it from the artwork-side [15:37] ochosi, can you follow-up on the icons with astraljava, so we could get a special mention for the rest of our 12.10 milestones? :) [15:38] what do you mean exactly? [15:39] pleia2, pg19, last bullet, please add a slash add the end of the line ;) [15:39] hehe [15:39] ochosi, we can tell our testers to look specifically at the icons [15:40] i think the long-test already contains something like that [15:40] i added it myself [15:40] ok [15:40] heh, fine... [15:40] check point 11 here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Long [15:40] since we're *kind of* changing our icon theme, maybe that could be a part of the short test for the 12.10 cycle [15:41] anyway, i suppose that was it for the artwork [15:41] #topic New and emerging items [15:41] #subtopic BP: Add more launchers to Settings Manager [15:42] #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-settings-manager-launchers [15:42] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps [15:42] Unit193, you around? [15:43] ok, let's carry on [15:43] #subtopic Encryption required for testing on milestones? [15:44] who added this? astraljava? :) [15:44] or me...? :P [15:45] look at the wiki-log? [15:45] that's too long [15:45] i suppose this means if we should have the encryption -testcase on milestones [15:45] or, any other ideas what this could mean? [15:46] (yes, i know i might've added this myself... ;)) [15:46] oh, no, that's astraljava [15:46] since he doesn't seem to be around, let's carry on :) [15:46] #subtopic Testcases feedback [15:46] astraljava's too, carry on... [15:47] #subtopic Do we need screensaver by default or would a screenlock suffice? [15:47] no screensaver [15:47] +1 [15:47] +1 [15:47] +1 [15:47] the default savers aren't very good looking anyway [15:47] #agree Drop screensavers by default [15:48] \o/ [15:48] great [15:48] no screensaver, but monitor power management enabled? [15:48] bluesabre, sure. [15:48] bluesabre, screensaver is just the visual thingy. [15:48] yeah, I think we just set it to blank instead [15:48] Yeah, but I think the default settings don't power off the monitor [15:49] we need a screenlocker though [15:49] it actually is a planned feature of lightdm [15:49] no clue what the progress is on that though [15:49] #nick xubuntu-team [15:49] #action xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker [15:49] ACTION: xubuntu-team to investigate adding a screenlocker [15:50] #action xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management [15:50] ACTION: xubuntu-team to investigate default settings for monitor power management [15:50] #subtopic Schedule next meeting [15:50] is there a milestone that requires us to have a meeting next week? [15:50] apparently not [15:51] no, wait [15:52] we do [15:53] yeah, next milestone in 2 weeks + 1 day [15:53] #action knome to announce the next meeting, which will be held on 18th of July at #xubuntu-devel [15:53] ACTION: knome to announce the next meeting, which will be held on 18th of July at #xubuntu-devel [15:53] that date even made sense! [15:53] #endmeeting [15:53] Meeting ended Wed Jul 11 15:53:46 2012 UTC. [15:53] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-07-11-15.04.moin.txt [15:53] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2012/xubuntu-devel.2012-07-11-15.04.html [15:53] tara [15:53] ty [15:54] thanks [15:54] i'll set up the minutes later today, unless somebody wants to do that now? [15:54] :P [15:55] work time for me now [15:55] hehe, yeah, i was waiting for the excuses! [15:55] ,) [15:55] np if you can't [15:55] :) [15:55] i'm off to think what to eat, see you later [15:55] enjoy [15:55] hehe, thanks [15:56] i'll try to... [15:56] Interesting to see the meeting bot in actual action. We are thinking to use it for our LoCo meetings. [16:30] genii-around, i can recommend it; even if the output logs are not perfect -yet [16:35] knome: I was playing with it a bit in #meetingology yesterday, trying to get the hang of how it works. JoseeAntonioR kind enough to assist some. I like it basically summarizes then you could always look at the full log if you want to see what everyone actually said in the channel, etc. [16:36] yes, but of course, you need to use it correctly so it can give you the "minutes" ;) [16:40] That's the tricky part, yeah. So it was good for me to see actual usage here [16:40] glad that we could help :) === Soupermanito is now known as GridCube_ [17:47] knome: I am now. :P [17:50] well, yeah ;) [18:35] knome: I should be able to make the meeting in future weeks [19:31] micahg, great! :) [19:32] oh right, added next one to calendar [19:32] and facebook link is now on our site