[01:40] <elky> chu, c'mon man
[01:40] <bazhang> some reason we are allowing him to continue?
[01:40] <chu> Do you think he's broken any rules though elky? :/
[01:41] <elky> he started acusing moocow of prostitution
[01:41] <Pici> chu: be aware that he was heavily trolling earlier today
[01:42] <chu> Mmm, yeah, ok.
[01:42] <Pici> So, I would take everything he says with a grain of salt the size of a bus.
[01:42] <chu> elky: I wasn't really sure, I didn't want to explicitly *say* anything to him about it, on the off-chance he would think it was ok and keep going with it
[01:43] <wawowe> eh
[01:44] <elky> wawowe?
[01:44] <wawowe> elky!
[01:44] <elky> What brings you here?
[01:45] <wawowe> well. it just so happens that i've been banned
[01:45] <wawowe> an i relize i was slightly uncool towards the boss, but..
[01:46] <wawowe> no uncool enough to be slapped down
[01:47] <elky> wawowe, i think it was mostly your persistence in being uncool.
[01:47] <wawowe> k
[01:47] <wawowe> well what about my off-topic ban
[01:47] <wawowe> is that gonna go away anytime soon?
[01:48] <wawowe> cuz it's been there for a couple months
[01:48] <elky> I don't think i am familiar with that one
[01:49] <wawowe> o snap i'm banned
[01:49] <wawowe> tried to join #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:50] <wawowe> i would like to be persistently uncool, if that's aloud
[01:50] <wawowe> even in the support channel
[01:50] <bazhang> it's not
[01:50] <wawowe> of course, i won't support cursing
[01:50] <wawowe> and being funny with ops
[01:50] <bazhang> much more than that.
[01:51] <bazhang> being continually offtopic, unhelpful, and abusive towards others
[01:51] <wawowe> oh yes, i know. we can't have that
[01:52] <wawowe> but i'd like to see evidence of my offtopic/unhelpfulness
[01:52] <bazhang> !1984 | wawowe
[01:53] <wawowe> should i copy and paste my case?
[01:53] <bazhang> no
[01:53] <bazhang> wawowe, the ban wont be lifted.
[01:53] <wawowe> ok
[01:54] <wawowe> can you tell me your reason?
[01:54] <wawowe> just for fun
[01:54] <elky> There are other places on freenode to be uncool. #defocus for one.
[01:54] <bazhang> you failure to follow the guidelines of the channel, and the code of conduct in ubuntu channels, for one
[01:54] <bazhang> +r
[01:54] <wawowe> i was at least helping people, while being uncool
[01:55] <wawowe> i didn't really go "that" far
[01:55] <elky> You can help people in other places. askubuntu.com for example
[01:55] <wawowe> i don't really need help
[01:55] <wawowe> just wanted to help
[01:56] <elky> Perhaps you should re-read what i said, then.
[01:56] <wawowe> which time
[01:56] <elky> You'll figure it out.
[01:57] <wawowe> haha
[01:57] <wawowe> what does it take to become an op here?
[01:57] <IdleOne> !canibeanop
[01:58] <bazhang> wawowe, you  clearly have no intention of taking this seriously. Please exit the channel
[01:58] <elky> Being banned from our channels sort of disqualifies you.
[01:59] <wawowe> bazhang: i'm an op of several other channels.. just wondering
[01:59] <wawowe> i actually would have more interest in taking over these channels
[01:59] <wawowe> than formally becoming an op
[02:00] <IdleOne> wanting to take over IMHO disqualifies you...never mind
[02:00] <bazhang> taking over?
[02:00] <elky> Good luck to him on that.
[06:15] <chu> jussi: He was doing it in #ubuntu earlier too. (see ubottu's message above)
[06:40] <elky> chu, was that your first?
[06:40] <IdleOne> that was a worthy first
[06:40] <chu> Yes
[06:40] <IdleOne> Congrats.
[06:40] <elky> YAY!
[06:41] <chu> (That's why it took so long for me to work out what was going on)
[06:41] <elky> heh
[06:41] <chu> :)
[06:41] <chu> I now need to talk to ubottu about it!
[07:03] <Tm_T> chu: councilor to make sure there's no trauma left
[07:46] <elky> if you have trauma from kicking a spammer, opping ain't for you ;)
[07:46] <elky> There, counselling done. :D
[08:23] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu qubits using backtrack, serious issue, trying to get help in #ubuntu
[11:00] <LjL> judging from what a few people are saying now in #ubuntu, i'm not sure why we have #ubuntu
[11:00] <ikonia> what's up ?
[11:02] <LjL> fidel and ok_ bashing fellow because they need to "spend five minutes to understand how apt works" - when the reality seems to be that an APT command that should work just fine, doesn't
[11:02] <ikonia> why is he using apt rather than the gui if he's not comfortable with apt ?
[11:02] <Tm_T> LjL: unacceptable, the channel is for support, not telling "you should learn" (:
[11:03] <Tm_T> "rtfm" kind of
[11:04] <ikonia> well, it's not unacceptable to tell someone they are going to have to learn if they are going to continue to use these commands
[11:04] <ikonia> more so as the user is saying "not got time to learn"
[11:04] <LjL> ikonia: why would he use the GUI if he's not comfortable with it?
[11:04] <LjL> not like because something is CLI it magically needs more comfortability to use
[11:04] <ikonia> LjL: use the gui if he's not comfortable with apt
[11:04] <Tm_T> ikonia: yes, but the way it's been told makes me think "rtfm"
[11:04] <ikonia> Tm_T: I wasn't reading so I don't know the context, I'm trying to read back now
[11:06] <ikonia> either way, it seems the issue was the sources, which he should be helped to fix
[11:06] <LjL> i'm doing that
[11:07] <ikonia> so I see
[11:08] <Tm_T> ikonia: and that's the difference, telling people "go learn basics" or actually help them (:
[11:09] <ikonia> blindly helping them isn't always good either
[11:09] <ikonia> it's got to be measured
[11:09] <Tm_T> ofcourse
[11:09] <Tm_T> one can say "it's good to learn basics first" in a good way too
[11:09] <LjL> well to me the person didn't show any particularly glaring lack of understanding of the "basics of apt"
[11:10] <ikonia> LjL: not that I see, he was just confused why it wasn't working
[18:49] <Fuchs> Pici: thanks, I think that was also what I mentioned / recommended 2 days ago, since he usually is logged in
[18:49] <Pici> Fuchs: yep
[18:49] <Pici> thanks