[09:37] <rmg51> Morning
[09:56] <JonathanD> hey rmg51
[12:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples
[12:12] <waltman> Morning
[13:49]  * ChinnoDog yawns
[14:23]  * ChinnoDog eats rye toast
[15:50] <MutantTurkey> blah
[15:50] <MutantTurkey> crappy documentation<<<<<
[16:07] <Pici> better or worse than no documentation?
[16:08] <MutantTurkey> worse
[16:08] <MutantTurkey> but bad docs usually means bad code
[16:08] <pleia2> no it doesn't
[16:08] <Pici> Not necessarily, but the two do often go hand in hand.
[16:09] <pleia2> a lot of really awesome programmers are useless at documenting and they don't always have teams with good documenters, they are very different skillsets
[16:09] <Pici> But then again there are a number of bad things well documented.
[16:09] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: with a library things are a bit different.
[16:09] <Pici> (I was just reading the PHP - Fractal of Bad Design article yesterday)
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> Pici: how was that?
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> Java is pretty well documented
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> wow! this remaster of Glenn Miller is really really impressive
[16:10] <Pici> MutantTurkey: It made be extremely happy that I have not spent any significant amount of time using or learning php.
[16:10] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[16:10] <pleia2> MutantTurkey: I guess we've just had very different experiences
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: I suppose so
[16:11] <MutantTurkey> I don't mean perfect documentation, i don't mean detailed documentation, but when documenation is competely non-existant or references stuff that only you would know if you worked on the project, it becomes a waste of time
[16:11] <Pici> "poorly documented" isn't always an easy thing to measure too.
[16:16] <MutantTurkey> I mean it is when they just don't even care about their code
[16:16] <MutantTurkey> hand you a hard drive and say "ok al lthe stuff is there so just work on it, btw i am moving to california and will sparsely answer emails"
[21:00] <jthan> If you guys can take the time to help me out with a research project that would be awesome. I created a 3 minute survey I am using to collect data. www.jonathandemasi.com
[21:01] <jthan> Pass it along, too, if you feel so inclined!
[21:01] <jthan> TIA
[21:20] <ChinnoDog> jthan: What are you doing with this data?
[21:22] <ChinnoDog> Historical records show that periods of global warming are followed by rapid drops in temperature. I wish that would happen so everyone would shut up about global warming
[21:22] <jthan> ChinnoDog: Basically seeing if there is a relationship between level of education/impact by natural disasters and one's subscription to the theory
[21:30] <ChinnoDog> Your poll doesn't ask about our subscription to the theory
[21:31] <ChinnoDog> It asks if we think global warming is a problem.
[21:31] <jthan> Truth.
[21:31] <jthan> My wording was bad ^ up there
[21:31] <jthan> We have limited resources/time so it's the best we can do. We are being graded moreso on our process/analysis than the actual topic and such
[21:32] <ChinnoDog> I think almost everyone agrees it is a problem, but not everyone agrees we are causing it.
[21:32] <jthan> Most people dont' think we're causing it. Silly bunch
[23:02] <IdleOne> I took the survey. I am a little insulted that Canada was not listed as a US State.
[23:08] <TheLordOfTime> lolwut?
[23:16] <IdleOne> I'm used to American students not having any clue that Canada is a separate country.
[23:16] <IdleOne> So I expect that it be listed as a state
[23:16] <IdleOne> jthan: appears to have actually paid attention in geography class.
[23:51] <jthan> IdleOne: lol. I left "other" in there for my european friends and you.