[01:37] <apachelogger> SteveRiley: metaing up
[01:37] <apachelogger> thanks for catching it
[01:44] <apachelogger> jussi: you tested calligra for precise from staging?
[01:52] <apachelogger> oho
[01:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think it is git master that exhibits the crashery, might be some change between 0.9.0 and HEAD
[01:54]  * apachelogger thinks changes to authdb are to be blamed
[01:56] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:56] <apachelogger> or it simply does not like me...
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> btw, I've been using the KTP in quantal quite a bit for GTalk with no problems
[04:30] <SteveRiley> apachelogger: cool, i see it's building in launchpad now.
[04:31] <apachelogger> just hope it installs :P
[04:31] <SteveRiley> anybody wanna add me to their ktp so i don't feel lonely anymore? :)
[04:31] <SteveRiley> steveriley @ jabber . org
[04:31]  * apachelogger got side tracked with multimedia stuff and is behind schedule now
[04:32]  * apachelogger has to scroll half an hour 
[04:34] <SteveRiley> btw, quassel core + client is really cool. just discovered it the other day. android client, even.
[07:22] <jussi> apachelogger: I did
[07:22] <jussi> apachelogger: very briefly, but all seemed to work
[11:00] <davmor2> Riddell: the netbook desktop isn't very happy with page 1 whole system locks up if you click on it :)
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:10] <shadeslayer> any ideas who used to develop ff kde support?
[12:15] <shadeslayer> aha, novell ... I think
[12:18] <debfx> shadeslayer: yes, it's maintained here: https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=MozillaFirefox&project=openSUSE%3AFactory
[12:18] <shadeslayer> ok
[12:19] <shadeslayer> I was looking at http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse
[12:19] <shadeslayer> which looks like a flaming pile of poo
[12:20] <debfx> that's the other part of the kde integration
[12:20] <shadeslayer> ok, and did I mention it's a flaming pile of poo?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> debfx: what do the patches to firefox do?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> call kmozhelper?
[12:22] <debfx> yes and some other stuff
[12:23] <debfx> like changing the button order in dialogs
[12:23] <shadeslayer> hmm .. that makes sense
[12:23] <jussi> "flaming pile of poo" :D :D
[12:24] <shadeslayer> yes, if you read the kmozhelper code, that's exactly what it is
[12:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we should fix furry fox kde support
[12:48] <BluesKaj> strange ,...added the telepathy launchpad ppa , https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa , or do I have to add the kubuntu backports ppa as well to install telepathy
[12:48] <BluesKaj> ?^
[12:49] <ScottK> BluesKaj: I think backports
[12:50] <BluesKaj> ScottK, ok bummer , I'm on 12.10
[12:50] <ScottK> Oh.  On 12.10 you don't need any PPAs, I don't think
[12:50] <ScottK> I think it's all in the archive.
[12:51] <BluesKaj> mybe next time ...I'm just curious about telepathy , I have no real need for it 
[12:52] <BluesKaj> ok then my first install was ok , but it wouldn't run 
[12:53] <ScottK> No idea.  Apparently I'm the one happy kopete user left.
[12:53] <BluesKaj> if it's anything like kopete then it won't lasy long on my pc 
[12:59] <ScottK> Apparently it's not.
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ScottK, installed it from synaptic , but telepathy doesn't appear to be totally installed , a relogin  maybe ?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> it won't launch either from krunner or the cli
[13:02] <ScottK> Did you install kde-telepathy?
[13:02] <ScottK> That's the metapackage.
[13:03] <BluesKaj> doh!
[13:09] <BluesKaj> weird still not found 
[13:09] <ScottK> No idea.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> so much for telepathy ..what a clunker 
[13:37] <BluesKaj> well IMO anyway 
[13:39] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: ktp ppa has for the better part the same packages
[13:41] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, sorry I don't understand ... I'm talking about the app itself ...tries to do too much ...not configurable visually for a large screen 
[13:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you have time tomorrow?
[13:42]  * apachelogger forgot to go to bed and feels like :@
[13:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uh, nope, I have some time right now, then will be available on Monday
[13:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do you want to talk about?
[13:43] <apachelogger> firewolf
[13:43] <shadeslayer> ( Maybe tomorrow night, at around 1 AM UTC +0530 )
[13:43] <apachelogger> eh, fox
[13:43] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lets do a skype call on Monday
[13:43] <apachelogger> my ktp skype integration is not working
[13:43] <shadeslayer> GTalk call?
[13:43] <shadeslayer> surely that works
[13:43] <apachelogger> if that works :P
[13:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on that note, you were to make message indicator integartion happen?
[13:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, Seems like a PITA to handle all usecases though :P
[13:45] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[13:45] <apachelogger> actually
[13:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you have any guess why I get two message notification icon thingies in the tray?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> two?
[13:45] <apachelogger> yah
[13:45] <apachelogger> write something on gtalk
[13:46] <shadeslayer> show screenshot :)
[13:46] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2012/07/13/plasma-desktopwv2290.png
[13:46] <shadeslayer> aha
[13:46] <apachelogger> incidentially enough I also get 2 plasma notifications
[13:46]  * shadeslayer is not sure
[13:47] <shadeslayer> maybe 2 instances of the notifier running
[13:47]  * shadeslayer is not familiar with the notification code, hence can't comment on it much
[13:49] <apachelogger> but it appars to be dispatched by a kded
[13:49] <apachelogger> :S
[13:49] <ScottK> I just discovered that if you open an mbox file from a web page it opens in kmail as an email and then you can reply/forward/etc just like anything else.  Very nice.
[13:49] <apachelogger> also
[13:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/07/13/plasma-desktopRV2290.png
[13:49] <apachelogger> le crap
[13:50] <ScottK> agateau is a notification expert and has scar tissue to prove it.
[13:52] <shadeslayer> ^
[13:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what's crap?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> 2 notifications?
[13:53] <apachelogger> nah
[13:53] <apachelogger> right click a notification
[13:54] <shadeslayer> sec
[13:54] <shadeslayer> uhhh
[13:54] <Riddell> davmor2: mm really, netbook freezes?  that's the alternate page that is pre set up?
[13:54] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:54] <apachelogger> also maybe one of my two notifications is kaput but clicking them takes forever to bring up the window
[13:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: file le bug
[13:55] <shadeslayer> and I get just one notification
[13:55] <davmor2> Riddell: it is the search page is fine if I click on page one whole system locks up
[13:56] <ScottK> Locks up or gets really, really slow?
[14:11] <Peace-> anyone knows why video call wth kde telepathy doesnp't work ?
[14:11] <Peace-> org.freedesktop.Telepathy.Error.NotAvailable: Handler no longer available
[14:11] <Peace-> i get this 
[14:14] <ScottK> Riddell: We should probably try to get the fix for https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=296490 in to 12.04.1.
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Peace-: do you have ktp call ui installed?
[14:17] <Riddell> ScottK: mm yes
[14:17] <Peace-> shadeslayer: mm sudo apt-get install kde-telepathy isnt enough
[14:18] <ScottK> Riddell: If you can upload the SRU, I can accept it.
[14:18] <Riddell> Peace-: needs ktp-call-ui I think
[14:18] <Peace-> mm ok 
[14:20] <Peace-> Riddell: do you mean kde-telepathy-call-ui ?
[14:20] <Peace-> or it's a package that is called ktp-call-ui
[14:21] <Peace-> because i can't find in the repo 
[14:21] <Peace-> mm
[14:21] <tsdgeos> Riddell: you guys not updating to rc1 or rc2?
[14:21] <Peace-> 12.04
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Peace-: kde-telepathy-call-ui
[14:22] <Riddell> bug 296490
[14:22] <shadeslayer> uh
[14:22] <Peace-> shadeslayer: mmm on 12.04 it sasys there is not
[14:22] <Peace-> package not found
[14:22] <shadeslayer> whut
[14:22] <shadeslayer> Peace-: where did you get the packages?
[14:23] <Peace-> ppa ?
[14:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wrong bug?
[14:23] <shadeslayer> Peace-: which PPA?
[14:23] <Peace-> let me check 
[14:23] <Riddell> tsdgeos: no plans to, it takes ages to package a full release and upstream doesn't seem too interested in encouraging distro packages for release candidates which I think is fine to stop us getting overloaded
[14:23] <tsdgeos> Riddell: joking no?
[14:23] <Riddell> bug 1024402
[14:23] <tsdgeos> Riddell: i didn't see us saying we don't want rc pakcages
[14:23] <tsdgeos> Riddell: so stop the fud
[14:24] <Peace-> shadeslayer: i guess kubuntu-ppa
[14:24] <Riddell> tsdgeos: oh nothing saying it's not wanted, but there's no post to kde-packagers and no time between sources and announce, and as I say that's fine it means we can have some days to get on with other things
[14:25] <shadeslayer> Peace-: don't guess ...
[14:25] <Peace-> xD
[14:25] <tsdgeos> Riddell: kde-packagers is for packager only stuff, i don't see why you need a post there when i *clearly* stated that the release-team is where you need to be to learn about releases
[14:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are you sure that's not a upstream bug / a bug in your touchpad ? :P
[14:26] <tsdgeos> Riddell: and the schedule that has no time between sources and announce has been there for years, didn't see you complaining when we proposed it
[14:26] <shadeslayer> because my cursor jumps all the time
[14:26] <Peace-> shadeslayer: i am sure now i have just removed kubuntu-ppa and now i can't see kde-telepathy
[14:26] <shadeslayer> okie
[14:26] <Peace-> no
[14:26] <tsdgeos> Riddell: so you are still making excuses out of thin air, which is fine, but don't say we don't want packages, since that is plainly a lie
[14:26] <shadeslayer> ohhh
[14:26] <Peace-> sorry
[14:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nvm
[14:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes kde bug 296490
[14:26] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:26]  * Peace- you are an idio Peace-
[14:26] <shadeslayer> saw the back log
[14:26] <Peace-> idiot*
[14:28] <Riddell> ScottK: won't be able to do that qt SRU for a few hours
[14:28] <ScottK> OK.  Just ping me when you can.
[14:28] <ScottK> Maybe apachelogger or someone else can do it.
[14:33] <apachelogger> I really do not want to touch anything serious today
[14:33]  * apachelogger had no sleep
[14:34] <ScottK> OK.
[14:38] <apol> jtechidna: I'm stabilizing the resources branch now, this way we'll be able to merge it back as soon as 1.4 is branched
[14:38] <apol> do you know when the branching is going to happen?
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> apol: either Saturday or Sunday
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> (somehow the two nicks got switched :D)
[14:42] <apol> :)
[14:42] <apol> ok
[14:42] <apol> great
[14:42] <apol> awesome
[14:51] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1024402] Text cursor in wrong cell in calligrawords @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1024402 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[15:06] <apachelogger> afiestas: do you know where KSNI lives on bugs.kde.org?
[15:07] <afiestas> i don't know what ksni is
[15:07] <apachelogger> kstatusnotifieritem
[15:07] <afiestas> kdelibs I guess
[15:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: agateau might know?
[15:07] <Riddell> but it's just part of kdelibs no?
[15:07] <apachelogger> agateau: do you know?
[15:08] <apachelogger> oh
[15:08] <apachelogger> actually I think I need the plasma UI part of the impl
[15:09] <agateau> the application-part of the code is in kdelibs
[15:09] <agateau> the plasma ui is in the plasma "systemtray" applet
[15:09] <agateau> apachelogger: ^
[15:10] <apachelogger> merci
[15:21] <agateau> jussi: I am bootstrapping my extra mile initiative with existing bugs. Have you filed a bug for the Lancelot hotkey bug you shown me at Akademy?
[15:51] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1024402] Text cursor in wrong cell in calligrawords @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1024402 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[16:11] <shadeslayer> that's weird
[16:11] <shadeslayer> how come digikam doesn't have a needs packaging bug filed?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> I'm pretty sure I saw Jonathan file on
[16:11] <shadeslayer> *one
[16:12] <shadeslayer> kubotu: newversion digikam 2.7
[16:12] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1024456
[16:13] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:13] <shadeslayer> *now* I see it :|
[16:39] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:39] <shadeslayer> yofel: I: Someone else has lock over /var/cache/pbuilder/quantal-amd64-base.tgz.tmp, waiting
[16:39] <shadeslayer> is that you?
[16:40] <yofel> no, seems like a stale file without a user lock. I delted it
[16:40] <shadeslayer> okie
[16:44] <shadeslayer> \o/ http://paste.kde.org/517226/
[16:51] <shadeslayer> well ... that's weird 
[16:51] <shadeslayer>  libsane-dev : Depends: libtiff5-dev but it is not going to be installed
[16:51] <shadeslayer> but both are installable separately
[16:59] <shadeslayer> *facepalm*
[16:59] <shadeslayer> libtiff5-dev will remove libtiff4-dev which is a build dep
[17:01] <shadeslayer> not once, but twice :P
[17:24] <alazare619_> who manages the package ubiquity-frontend-kde?
[17:24] <alazare619_> and can they change the .desktop file to not have only show in kde
[17:25] <alazare619_> as there are qt based de's that could use that installer
[17:29] <shadeslayer> alazare619_: while I'm not sure of this, but there are probably KDE specific things the installer uses
[17:29] <shadeslayer> which is why it uses KDE libraries
[17:30] <alazare619_> no the .desktop file
[17:30] <alazare619_> it only allows it to show a desktop icon if its in kde mode
[17:30] <alazare619_> qt razor for instance is qt based  it could use that icon file
[17:31] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:32] <alazare619_> /usr/share/applications
[17:32] <shadeslayer> alazare619_: just modify it to your requirements?
[17:32] <alazare619_> has a line onlyshowin=kde
[17:32] <alazare619_> yea i did
[17:32] <alazare619_> but i really think they should omit that line from the installer
[17:33]  * shadeslayer doesn't know why we have that line in there tbh
[17:33] <alazare619_> gnome has it too...
[17:33] <alazare619_> for frontend-gnome
[17:33] <alazare619_> theres has onlyshowin=gnome
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^ Know the story behind that?
[17:33] <alazare619_> its really pointless and goes against the whole opensource principal if you wana install the dependencies allow it to show by default without having to "port it" for just one damn line
[17:34] <alazare619_> the exact location of ubiquity-frontend-kde desktop file is
[17:34] <alazare619_> usr/share/applications/kde4/ubiquity-frontend-kde.desktop
[17:36] <alazare619_> its 4 lines from the bottom of the document
[17:38] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1024464] rekonq 0.9.2 lost search with google right mouse button option @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1024464 (by Marco Parillo)
[17:39] <alazare619_> right now im working on building a razor-qt based distro
[17:40] <shadeslayer> alazare619_: best to email the ML about this, I'm not sure why the line is there, but if someone knows they'll answer
[17:40] <alazare619_> just was a little noosance atm that i noticed 
[17:40] <alazare619_> for now i might just use debconf based ubiquity installer
[18:00] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Ubiquity is in bzr, so you can look at the history and see who put that there.
[18:00] <alazare619_> i have no knowledge of svn,bzr,git, etc
[18:01] <alazare619_> i guess im old school back when people worked together just in 1 big ssh :P
[18:02] <shadeslayer> a bit busy trying to figure out what's wrong with digikam
[18:02] <ScottK> I'll see you in a year or two then.
[18:03] <yofel> you know of the existence of bzr and git, that's already progress over one of our school sysadmins who answered on my question whether they could install SVN on the school computers with: "Hm... is that something like CVS?"
[18:05] <ScottK> Answer: Yes.  Like CVS is something like RCS.
[18:05]  * yofel needs to good that now...
[18:05] <yofel> *google
[18:06] <shadeslayer> :|
[18:06] <littlegirl> Does somebody have a bzr question?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> managed to narrow it down to this : http://paste.kde.org/517268/
[18:11] <ScottK> yofel: All you need to know: http://changelog.complete.org/archives/698-if-version-control-systems-were-airlines
[18:12] <yofel> heh :D
[18:20] <littlegirl> LOL, very cute!
[18:44] <alazare619_> anyone know of a qt based login manager?
[18:44] <alazare619_> i was debating slim as its standalone more or less