[00:01] <silverarrow> alsamixer has a sound card config function, but it will not  launch
[00:04] <silverarrow> main problem might not be that lubuntu will not run, but few ibooks run lubuntu and little experience is available
[00:08] <silverarrow> could you take a look at this wxl ? http://pastebin.com/qU7hc7Ni
[00:08] <wxl> that link you gave above suggests you should have snd_powermac loaded, i think
[00:08] <silverarrow> yes
[00:09] <silverarrow> from what I read, the issue might be incorrectly blacklisting of modules, but I really dont get what I am suppose to do
[00:09] <wxl> add the lines to the end of  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf
[00:10] <wxl> blacklist snd-aoa
[00:10] <wxl> blacklist snd-aoa-fabric-layout
[00:10] <wxl> blacklist snd-aoa-soundbus
[00:10] <wxl> blacklist snd-aoa-i2sbus
[00:10] <wxl> blacklist snd-aoa-codec-tas
[00:12] <silverarrow> I should run it as commands in termnial ?
[00:13] <silverarrow> sorry, I am a bit slow
[00:17] <silverarrow> in terminal at boot up....
[00:20] <wxl> gksudo /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf
[00:20] <wxl> oops
[00:20] <wxl> gksudo leafpad /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf
[00:20] <wxl> when that opens
[00:20] <wxl> add those blacklist lines
[00:20] <wxl> save it
[00:20] <wxl> reboot
[00:23] <silverarrow> oh
[00:26] <wxl> headed home good luck
[00:27] <silverarrow> I get a white terminal window, with a blacklist
[00:30] <silverarrow> hi pilot
[00:30] <area51pilot> hey there silvewr
[00:30] <area51pilot> i need to add add a program to startup on boot ( TeamViewer7) ... any suggestions
[00:30] <area51pilot> I have the autostart file open but am not sure how to add this item
[00:31] <silverarrow> maybe a wiki somewhere
[00:31] <area51pilot> :P
[00:32] <area51pilot> yes .. im at the autostart config file but am not sure how to add this app
[00:36] <silverarrow> me neither really
[00:36] <silverarrow> I am having issues with sound
[00:36] <silverarrow> no alsamixer
[00:36] <silverarrow> and weird blacklisting issues
[00:37] <silverarrow> and no good advice
[00:37] <silverarrow> I am done for tonight gh
[00:37] <area51pilot> good night silver
[00:38] <silverarrow> good luck with your issue
[00:38] <silverarrow> I shall have to continue tomorrow
[00:38] <silverarrow> have a good night
[00:38] <silverarrow> my head has had enough for today
[01:27] <jonatha__> hello, i'm having issues with a half-installed package (scratch from http://scratch.mit.edu)
[01:27] <jonatha__> i'd like to get the package installed correctly but i'm not sure what to do next.
[01:28] <jonatha__> here's a gist of me trying apt-get on the command line: https://gist.github.com/3102188
[01:41] <jonatha__> i manually edited the .postrm and i think i might have it licked
[02:24] <silverarrow> hi
[02:43] <wxl> my mom was almost a nun
[02:44] <wxl> oops
[02:44] <wxl> that's certainly a case of the wrong channel XD !!
[02:46] <Unit193> You got a full on pause there from me.
[02:46] <wxl> i caught that :)
[13:26] <ike_> magyar?
[13:46] <manner> how  is needed to lay onto the panel the  shutdown button?
[14:51] <silverarrow> hi
[14:51] <silverarrow> is anyone familiar with powerpc on?
[14:54] <Timo_> Hey lads, I was wondering if anyone knows an app, that can put every app in tray
[14:54] <silverarrow> hi
[14:54] <Timo_> For example: There is a new RSS reader called 'Lightread', but it does not (yet) have System Tray support, but I would like it to run in the backgorund in my system tray (so it does not show in ALT+TAB)
[14:55] <nothingspecial> I don't know of anything Timo_, but you could request system tray support
[14:55] <nothingspecial> the app is very new afaik
[14:56] <Timo_> nothingspecial: yes, of course I can do that, and I am certain it will come, but it's not only for Lightread :P
[14:56] <Timo_> another question then:
[14:57] <Timo_> is it possible to keep applications running (like in Docky, or something), but not have it show up in ALT+TAB?
[14:58] <Unit193> alltray - Dock any program into the system tray, no idea if it works.
[14:59] <Timo_> Unit193: thanks, will try :D
[14:59] <Timo_> I guess my Googling failed, maybe I should've used Synaptic/Software Center :p
[15:00] <Timo_> mmm it works halfly :p
[15:01] <Timo_> The Show/Hide function does not work, unfortunatly :(
[15:01] <latec> hi :)
[15:02] <latec> Somoene know the difference between lubuntu et xubuntu. I don't know wich one to have
[15:03] <nothingspecial> lubuntu will run on a lower spec computer
[15:03] <Timo_> Lubuntu runs on LXDE and Xubuntu on XFCE
[15:03] <Timo_> LXDE and XFCE are both 'Desktop Enviroments', just like Gnome and KDE
[15:03] <latec> Ok
[15:03] <Timo_> Xfce is like nothingspecial stated a bit bloatier (although, still lightweight)
[15:04] <latec> I've read that Xubuntu start with only 64RAM mo and 2 Giga storage
[15:04] <latec> that is the same for lubuntu ?
[15:05] <Unit193> That's not right for Lubuntu or Xubuntu.
[15:05] <nothingspecial> they'll both not run with that
[15:05] <latec> Ho ?
[15:05] <latec> I've read this on the official website
[15:05] <latec> Strange
[15:07] <Unit193> Not quite, it says the alternate installer only needs that, but the actual system needs more.
[15:07] <Timo_> mm KDocker did the trick :) thanks for the hlep
[15:08] <Unit193> Heh, really? Wouldn't have thought that'd work. :P
[15:09] <Timo_> well AllTray could not Show/Hide (maybe it does not support OpenBox), but KDocker works like a charm (although I would love to see mouse scrollwheel support :P)
[15:09] <Timo_> But hey, I can't be too picky :p
[15:10] <Timo_> maybe I can try to make a patch :D
[15:10] <Timo_> but probably not, as my desktop programming skills are not really good :D
[15:11] <silverarrow> is there any reason why jave would not run in lubuntu?
[15:12] <Timo_> silverarrow: it should work, but Java can be a pain
[15:12] <Timo_> What are you trying to install? OpenJDK or Oracle SUN?
[15:12] <silverarrow> I have installed the openjdk packages
[15:12] <silverarrow> on lubuntu powerpc build
[15:12] <silverarrow> not sure why it acts up,
[15:15] <Timo_> so java -version does not work?
[15:18] <silverarrow> the ppc FAQ page only mentiones speed issues only
[15:19] <silverarrow> no, neither my bank, or the java test on their own site
[15:20] <Timo_> but the command java -version in the terminal
[15:20] <Timo_> did you try that?
[15:20] <Timo_> it could be that you don't have the IcedTea plugin installed
[15:20] <silverarrow> no, terminal version?
[15:20] <Timo_> which would result in the websites not working
[15:20] <Timo_> Do you know how to open a terminal?
[15:20] <Timo_> the program is called LXTerminal
[15:20] <silverarrow> hmm, i think I have all packages though, not completely sure
[15:22] <silverarrow> http://pastebin.com/gqCXsU58
[15:22] <silverarrow> that is what I get when I write java in terminal
[15:22] <silverarrow> does it make any sense?
[15:23] <Timo_> could you do java -version
[15:23] <Timo_> the -version after JAVA
[15:24] <Timo_> And yes, silverarrow it makes sense, this tells u that Java is installed :)
[15:25] <silverarrow> http://pastebin.com/YPWnusFk
[15:26] <Timo_> type this in the terminal: sudo apt-get install icedtea-6-plugin
[15:26] <Timo_> and then restart your browser
[15:27] <silverarrow> ohh, something is happening
[15:27] <silverarrow> back rightg aftger restart
[15:28] <silverarrow> working !!!
[15:29] <silverarrow> thanks
[15:29] <silverarrow> :- )
[15:29] <silverarrow> it suddenly seemed very simple
[15:30] <silverarrow> i spend ages searching for answer
[15:31] <silverarrow> this is more like it though, a missing plugin
[15:31] <silverarrow> not ppc special weirdness lol
[15:32] <silverarrow> not it seems it`s only the gecko plugin and dvd left that needs attention
[15:36] <silverarrow> is there a command for chicking plugins for firfox? I used to be very happy with a gecko pluging, but it was for regular pc
[15:36] <silverarrow> I could try moonlight, it`s there in package manger
[15:37] <silverarrow> but gecko and firefox worked great as a windows mediaplayer replacement
[15:37] <silverarrow> is gecko default with lubuntu 12.04 when restricked packages are installed?
[15:37] <silverarrow> i think it was so in 11.10
[15:41] <silverarrow> wb philipballew_
[15:41] <silverarrow> java works
[15:43] <silverarrow> does anyone know how to investigate the gnome mplayer setup with gecko and firefox?
[15:43] <Timo_> silverarrow: I'm glad it owrked :D
[15:44] <Timo_> Moonlight is not developed any more, and the plugin is not supported for the newer Firefox any more..
[15:44] <silverarrow> yes thanks, very clever with the icedtea plugin
[15:44] <silverarrow> I see
[15:44] <silverarrow> not gecko and mplayer?
[15:44] <silverarrow> either I mean?
[15:44] <Timo_> You *could* download the plugin, extract it, change the 'supported version number' and repackage it
[15:44] <silverarrow> I liked that one a lot
[15:45] <silverarrow> hmm
[15:45] <silverarrow> repackage?
[15:45] <silverarrow> not sure I am clever enough
[15:46] <Timo_> there is a tutorial on the internet (I did it myself osme time ago)
[15:46] <silverarrow> I even see they ask for ppc testers for 12.10 but I struggle too much with the basic I feel
[15:46] <Timo_> but as I said, it's old, so it will not always support the newer Silverlight options
[15:46] <silverarrow> I see
[15:46] <Timo_> and the gecko thing, it's also a plugin, afaik. You could try to search in synaptic
[15:46] <Timo_> or software center
[15:47] <Timo_> but I can't help you out right now, I've got to go :P (someones waiting for me!)
[15:47] <Timo_> Good luck! I'll be back some day :P
[15:48] <silverarrow> I seem to have it, it just doesn`t work
[15:48] <silverarrow> gecko I mean
[15:50] <silverarrow> is it ppc weirdness that make streams difficult?
[15:52] <silverarrow> what is the best flash replacer?
[15:53] <silverarrow> or any really
[15:53] <silverarrow> I suppose I need to try them out
[15:56] <silverarrow> is opera suppose to be in package manager?
[16:19] <Payl> Hi guys, can you help me with black screen after booting new Lubuntu? With F8 i'm able to get to system without GUI i think.
[16:20] <Payl> I've no clue why GUI doesn't work, startscreen with logo is displayed, but after few moments it just goes black.
[16:37] <silverarrow> hi again
[16:41] <silverarrow> how to make streaming work with gecko firefox and mplayer
[16:49] <silverarrow> if I mess around with vlc mozilla plugin, and vlc in firefox, is it possible to get back to the mplayer gecko set up?
[17:00] <silverarrow> dvds are playing
[17:00] <silverarrow> yoohoo
[17:00] <silverarrow> both vlc and mplayer
[17:00] <silverarrow> now I regret adding vlc a bit
[17:28] <silverarrow> a lot of this non-pc talk seems just silly
[17:28] <silverarrow> the ibook
[17:28] <silverarrow> sorry...@
[17:28] <silverarrow> doing a benchmark test and report, this ibook shows having a celeron M processor
[17:29] <silverarrow> which sort of makes in a pc more than a notpc
[17:30] <silverarrow> I don`t get why powerpc build and mac are such oposites
[17:30] <silverarrow> to the rest of the pcs I mean
[17:45] <silverarrow> hi
[17:46] <silverarrow> what lib is needed for the gecko plugin to work?
[17:46] <silverarrow> or perhaps something interfering with it
[17:56] <silverarrow> hi jonathanwallace
[17:58] <jonathanwallace> hey silverarrow
[17:59] <silverarrow> how are you?
[17:59] <silverarrow> I`m trying to make online tv stream in mplayer gecko setup
[17:59] <silverarrow> which is the default I think
[17:59] <silverarrow> at least after restricted packages is installed
[18:00] <silverarrow> I wonder if I could be missing some package
[18:00] <silverarrow> i think restricted packages should include everything though
[18:17] <silverarrow> is anyone clever with gecko and mplayer?
[18:18] <silverarrow> what alternatives are there to flash really?
[18:24] <jonathanwallace> silverarrow: i'm not too sure, i usually use things like VLC if linux apps don't cut it
[18:25] <jonathanwallace> i'm a lazy linux user
[18:25] <silverarrow> well, me too really, what ever works
[18:25] <silverarrow> if I install vlc mozilla plugin I am stuck with it
[18:26] <silverarrow> I have a very hard time getting back to the gnome mplayer gecko settup
[18:27] <silverarrow> lubuntu runs really nicely now, but with a few issues that still need atension
[18:27] <silverarrow> I am tempted to try vlc and molizza plugin
[18:28] <silverarrow> I haven῭t been able to make it stream the local tv channel before, but I know some have
[18:28] <silverarrow> at some point developers went for mplayer and abandoned vlc
[18:33] <silverarrow> though VLC was my favorite for years
[18:33] <silverarrow> still is
[18:40] <silverarrow> but mplayer works nicely
[18:59] <silverarrow> what are flash alternatives for powerpc build ?
[19:56] <zpoc> Messieur dame bonsoir :)
[19:57] <zpoc> Quelqu'un aurait-il un peu de patience pour un petit problème de MBR?
[19:58] <Unit193> !fr
[19:58] <zpoc> Sorry ^^
[20:43] <silverarrow> pidgin crashes
[20:44] <silverarrow> as soon as I have joined a channel it crashes
[20:44] <silverarrow> i think it might be a bug of some sort
[20:45] <silverarrow> I tried to go on irc the first time I booted 12.04 and it has behaved the same way every since
[20:50] <silverarrow> I keep wondering if I miss some codecs for windows media plugins, like gecko for mplayer
[20:50] <silverarrow> not sure hot to check it either
[20:51] <silverarrow>  I initially thought everything wold be in the two restriced packages, but I`m not so sure anymore
[20:51] <silverarrow> any ideas about that?
[20:51] <silverarrow> hi gomiboy
[20:53] <gomiboy> Hi :)
[20:57] <silverarrow> anything happening?
[20:57] <silverarrow> hi margo
[20:57] <silverarrow> I`m still working on my ibook installation
[20:57] <silverarrow> which is gradually getting better
[20:58] <silverarrow> are you in lubuntu gomiboy  and margo  ?
[20:59] <silverarrow> when I try to run web tv in firefox, it  blinks black, then cuts
[20:59] <silverarrow> I`m wondering if I might miss some libs or codecs?
[21:00] <gomiboy> yes, on an exotic hardware, like you (toshiba ac100, arm processor)
[21:00] <gomiboy> can't help there, no flash here, only html5...
[21:00] <silverarrow> or since it is powerpc lubuntu, it might be blacklisting issues
[21:01] <silverarrow> it is gecko mplayer setup, for windows media player oriented stream
[21:02] <silverarrow> I could try installing moonlight, but it seems to be an abandoned project these days
[21:02] <silverarrow> hi jarnos
[21:02] <silverarrow> or vlc mozilla stuff
[21:03] <silverarrow> thought, mplayer has worked well before
[21:03] <silverarrow> I think something is missng
[21:05] <jarnos> silverarrow, you are missing a point.
[21:09] <silverarrow> yeah, could be
[21:10] <silverarrow> jarnos: what point then?
[21:10] <Unit193> silverarrow: PPC isn't as supported as 32bit, you end up having to do workarounds and trying a bunch of things to get it working. PPC is a bit dead, so it's only small communities still doing stuff with it, hence no flash.
[21:11] <silverarrow> I just have to keep searching for the right workanroud
[21:23] <Myrtti> pidgin crashing in IRC usage isn't news
[21:23] <Myrtti> it isn't an IRC client although it has some IRC capabilities
[21:27] <silverarrow> it has worked before though
[21:27] <silverarrow> I added mozilla, which works fine for the moment
[21:27] <silverarrow> sorry, chatzilla
[22:40] <silverarrow> hi
[22:49] <silverarrow> is there a way to test and configure gnash+
[22:49] <silverarrow> ?
[22:49] <silverarrow> and I am wondering if I could install both gnash and lightspark at once, with out messing up
[22:50] <silverarrow> gnash is default in 12.04, but not the browser plugin package
[22:53] <silverarrow> how do I make sure the gnash browser plugin is wroking in 12.04?
[23:01] <silverarrow> does anyone use gnash or lightspark?
[23:05] <Worry> good evening everyone.  may i ask a question?
[23:05] <silverarrow> any gnash knowlegeable people aournd?
[23:05] <silverarrow> that`s what we do here lol
[23:06] <silverarrow> hoping some clever guys are around
[23:06] <Worry> well, we may hae a similar question.  i would like to know why flash and shockwave do not seem to work on lubuntu anymore
[23:06] <silverarrow> Worry, are you new to lubuntu?
[23:06] <Unit193> Worry: Just ask and if someone knows...
[23:06] <Worry> yes, iam
[23:06] <Worry> sorry if i am making errors:)
[23:06] <Unit193> What packages do you have?  Did you have it working before?
[23:07] <silverarrow> adobe flash has always been something you had to install on your own
[23:07] <Worry> i did  a clean sweep and iinstalled the latest version of lubuntu
[23:07] <Unit193> It won't have it by default.
[23:07] <Worry> i am aware of that'
[23:07] <silverarrow> I am trying to make gnash or lightspark work too
[23:07] <Worry> also, adobe flash will no longer be supporting linxu
[23:07] <Worry> linux
[23:07] <Unit193> I recommend adding the !partner repo and installing adobe-flashplugin.
[23:08] <silverarrow> you added the two restricted packages?
[23:08] <silverarrow> in package manager?
[23:08] <Unit193> Worry: Not quite, pepperflash is how they're doing it.
[23:08] <Unit193> (And security for normal)
[23:08] <silverarrow> pepperflash?
[23:08] <Worry> okay, i feel dizzy:)
[23:08] <Worry> heh
[23:08] <Unit193> !partner
[23:09] <Worry> okay, i will cut that one and paste it.  thanks:)
[23:09] <silverarrow> Worry: yeah, that`s what a few hours of lubuntu mess does to us lol
[23:09] <silverarrow> my god, all day on this
[23:09] <Unit193> After that, try  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
[23:10] <Worry> oh i get those to download and supposedly install, but i get the i am dead jim message on firefox and chromium
[23:10] <Unit193> And you did restart the browsers?
[23:11] <Worry> always:)
[23:11] <Unit193> Try   dpkg -l |grep flash   and see what it says.
[23:11] <Worry> i am not reboot shy:)
[23:11] <Worry> thanks unit, i will cut that
[23:12] <Worry> I like Lubuntu because it allows my Dell Inspiron 8100 to work:)
[23:13] <Worry> they do not make laptop keyboards like that anymore:)
[23:14] <Worry> is dell a bad word?  ;)
[23:14] <Unit193> Hope not, I have two.  I rather like them.  What did the output gibve you?>
[23:14] <Unit193> (Maybe their keyboard aren't good >_> )
[23:15] <Worry> i am using another laptop now with edubuntu, but i will try it later
[23:15] <Worry> :)  i like the keyboard because it is solid and meant to last:)
[23:15] <Unit193> But with the issue at hand, flash not working.
[23:16] <Worry> it worked previously.  just the latest version of lubuntu is a dud on it
[23:16] <silverarrow> have u used gnash Unit193 ?
[23:16] <Unit193> No.
[23:16] <Worry> yeppers
[23:16] <Worry> swf, lightspark
[23:17] <Worry> summoning demons, etc
[23:17] <Worry> ;)
[23:18] <Worry> it was the only lxde system that ever really worked for me:)
[23:19] <Worry> fedora, opensuse ldxe systems were garbage
[23:19] <Worry> and i am not into mongrel(puppy linux);)
[23:20] <Unit193> Those systems work for others, but YMMV.
[23:20] <Worry> i am powerfully stupid though:)
[23:21] <Worry> kde exceeds my intelligence quotient:)
[23:21] <Unit193> Give me a sec, I'm pretty sure I didn't have issues with it, are there any messages with flash on screen?
[23:21] <Worry> i will try it when i am on that system.  i have more than one laptop:)
[23:21] <Worry> i am on edubuntu:)
[23:22] <Worry> but, i have cut and past the screen for your links and remarks
[23:23] <Worry> i do not want to give up on lubuntu
[23:24] <Worry> the messages are just plugins not installed, even when they are
[23:24] <Worry> or it just gives me a nice blue screen in the video area.
[23:25] <Worry> or, it just falls over and crashes
[23:25] <Worry> like a wino at 2 am
[23:25] <Worry> :)
[23:26] <Worry> should i be entirely serious and logical here?
[23:26] <Worry> :(
[23:28] <Worry> i will stick to the point with fewer pleasantries
[23:30] <Unit193> Well, it's good on one computer but failing on another.
[23:30] <silverarrow> not like you are interrupting anything at the moment
[23:30] <Worry> thank you.
[23:30] <Unit193> So, I'd recommend you try to disable hardware acceleration, and hope it helps. :P
[23:31] <Unit193> Flash is black magic, if it works, it works. :P
[23:31] <Worry> i will see if it does
[23:31] <Worry> i will chant;)
[23:31] <Worry> 'laptops are possessed;)
[23:32] <Unit193> Same versions of firefox, same sources for the plugin, yet on one it's not working.
[23:33] <Worry> yes
[23:33] <Worry> lubuntu did not do the last upgrade well, unlike xubuntu and ubuntu
[23:34] <Unit193> I'll be doing a clean install in a VM here soon.  My upgrades went well actually.
[23:34] <Worry> the only one i have never gotten to work right ever is kde
[23:38] <silverarrow> how do I take a screen shot in lubuntu?
[23:38] <silverarrow> there is  no screen shot key on macs
[23:38] <Unit193> Print screen, or type scrot in terminal.
[23:39] <Worry> thank you for your time
[23:39] <Unit193> Worry: Sorry mate, may try #ubuntu if it's a current issue.
[23:40] <Worry> thanks. see you later
[23:44] <silverarrow> where does the screen shot store when typing scrot in terminal?
[23:53] <Unit193> Current dir.