=== pi-rho|away is now known as pi-rho === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha === Ursinha is now known as Guest53271 === rsalveti` is now known as rsalveti === zyga-afk is now known as zyga === zyga is now known as zyga-food === zyga-food is now known as zyga === crazyrohila is now known as crazyrohila_ === crazyrohila_ is now known as crazyrohila [13:07] hey guys. i need somebody to nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1023197 for 12.04. whom should i talk too about this? logan does not provide any contact information [13:07] Ubuntu bug 1023197 in s2tc "Sync s2tc 0~git20110809-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released] [13:07] well he has a freenode nick in his profile but i havent caught him online yet. and whois doesnt show nay information === yofel_ is now known as yofel === rsalveti` is now known as rsalveti [14:07] who here is actually alive and willing to test a bug for me [14:15] this bug was referenced on Ask Ubuntu, but I've confirmed "Not a Bug" in 12.04, as `/etc/rc.local` is run absolutely correctly in every instance (I have 60 different test rc.locals, so...) micahg, how do you think this one should be handled (its marked as "Incomplete" now)? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysvinit/+bug/882254 [14:15] Ubuntu bug 882254 in sysvinit "/etc/rc.local is not executed at startup " [Undecided,Incomplete] [14:17] LoT: just leave it as incomplete (confirming things work is great, that means we don't know of a bug, but doesn't mean one doesn't exist), it'll expire in due time if untouched [14:18] it seems like an edge case to begin with [14:22] micahg: i agree, shoudl I comment i've confirmed it works as expected in 60 different cases? [14:22] * LoT has WAY too much time on his hands to confirm/refute bugs today [14:22] (that will reset the expiry timer though) [14:25] hrm, last comment was about a month ago [14:26] micahg: indeed, this was *just referenced* in an Ask Ubuntu question about... oh... [14:26] 45 minutes ago [14:26] so...\ [14:27] not sure whether I should reference this bug was dredged back up on Ask Ubuntu and I ran tests which showed that rc.local runs correctly. [14:27] LoT: I think that it's understood that it works for most people,, but some still have the issue, so more information from them would probably be helpful if it exists [14:27] (or rather as is expected for that file during bootup) [14:27] indeed, i'll leave it be [14:27] LoT: that was mentioned in comment 14 already [14:27] i'll comment on the question that dredged it up on Ask Ubuntu though [14:27] that makes senes [14:27] *sense [14:33] mhm. you know, i should write an extended post there about 'How to determine whether a bug listed on launchpad is really is a bug?' [14:33] include that 'Bugs identified as "Incomplete" are not able to be confirmed or are missing information, or rather could be an edge-case instance of functionality not working" [14:33] or something. [14:34] micahg: i also think that bugsquad/bugcontrol representatives should host a classroom session about bugs, sort of like a "Bugs 101" day or something, where we go and help educate the community about bugs and answer general questions about how we work... but that's my opinion. should i start a discussion on that on the bugsquad mailing list? [14:35] sure, would be a great Ubuntu User day session [14:35] coincidentially, pleia2 and i were discussing that during Ubuntu User Days xD [14:36] during the community roundtable xD [14:36] now where'd that draft go... [14:36] DAMN YOU GMAIL FOR BEING STUPID [14:36] apparently they dont save drafts data [14:36] they *used* to [14:37] * LoT wrote up a two page email about this yesterday before leaving work, and now gmail forgot about it [14:41] micahg: do bugcontrol people monitor the bugsquad mailing list as well as the bugcontrol mailing list? [14:41] or should I just add the bugcontrol list as a CC [14:43] well, some are subscribed to both, I don't have exact stats [14:43] might as well CC the bugcontrol mailing list while i'm at it, then. [14:44] i know i'm subscribed to both, but i'm subscribed to a lot of mailing lists :P [14:45] micahg: i've sent out the email, feel free to comment :) [14:45] eesh, PHP is memory-hungry... *walks off to address broken PHP* === berdario_ is now known as berdario [15:15] so nobody here who can nominate a bug or knows whom to contact? [15:16] hm? [15:16] lhw: out of curiosity which bug? [15:16] i asked that a few hours back [15:16] lhw i wasnt here a few hours back [15:16] so therefore i have a right to ask [15:16] which bug :) [15:16] okay wait a moment [15:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1023197 [15:16] Ubuntu bug 1023197 in s2tc "Sync s2tc 0~git20110809-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released] [15:16] looks like this was done? [15:16] that only gets synced to Quantal [15:16] you'd have to backport or SRU to get into Precise or earlier [15:17] micahg could easily explain that process [15:17] thats what i mean [15:17] especially since micah's a MOTU [15:17] that's a separate procedure and bug thing though [15:17] lhw: where did you want that to end up in, Precise? [15:17] according to the wiki i need someone to nominate the bug then subscribe ubuntu-sru [15:17] yes [15:17] * LoT opens the source package [15:18] the current version in precise has a severe multiarch bug [15:18] im... [15:18] um... [15:18] the SRU team is already subscribed [15:18] yeah i did that earlier [15:18] *they* should be the ones to target the bug to Precise [15:19] at least IMO [15:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure step 3 says someone needs to nominate the bug [15:21] whom should i contact about this? [15:21] hang on a sec [15:21] lhw: ScottK is on the SRU team, should be able to help you [15:21] What's the question? [15:21] ScottK: Context: LP Bug 1023197 [15:21] the article about bug supervisors is not helpful btw [15:21] Launchpad bug 1023197 in s2tc "Sync s2tc 0~git20110809-3 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1023197 [15:21] apparently this is now SRU'd? [15:21] lhw: I just joined, so I've got no context. [15:22] ScottK: he wants the aforementioned bug to be targetted to Precise for SRU-ing [15:22] * ScottK looks. [15:22] i may be on bugcontrol, but the system won't let me target bugs to Precise or any other release [15:23] * LoT isnt sure why [15:23] Seems like the one you want to target is Bug #1012266 . [15:23] Launchpad bug 1012266 in s2tc "amd64 and i386 version uses same /etc/alternative and conflicts" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1012266 [15:23] That's the actual problem. [15:23] lhw: ^ [15:24] I did that one. [15:24] Someone will need to prepare an upload, get it sponsored, etc. [15:24] ScottK: sorry to pull you in from whatever you were doing, just wanted someone on SRU team to help out here :P [15:24] * LoT returns to silently sifting through bugs [15:24] W 3 [15:24] UGH irssi [15:25] well i committed the fix to debian a while ago but bug reports kept popping up on launchpad. so i thought this probably should get fixed sometime [15:26] The process is to make a debdiff targetting precise-proposed (I'd version it Sync s2tc 0~git20110809-2.1) and then subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to the bug. [15:27] lhw: ^^^ will get it in the queue to get uploaded and fixed in precise. [15:27] * ScottK has to go. === LoT is now known as LordOfTime [16:14] okay i did that. lets see how it turns out === crazyrohila is now known as crazyrohila_slee [21:54] where're crash reports sent to again? I know they're bugcontrol restricted, but still [21:55] no where AFAIK, there's just a launchpad team subscribed [21:58] micahg, TheLordOfTime: actually, https://errors.ubuntu.com [21:58] yeah micahg misinterpreted what i said :P [21:58] hggdh: thanks [21:58] yw [21:58] * TheLordOfTime knew it was $something.ubuntu.com, but forgot the something [21:58] well, pretty much everything here is something.ubuntu.com... [21:59] except LP bugs :P [22:00] oh dear i found a bug in the sorting of the errors on errors.u.c [22:00] and it relates to the >1000000 bugs we have [22:01] heh [22:01] open a bug on it :-) [22:02] lol... [22:02] its a bug i can work around, but still [22:10] hggdh: micahg: how can you tell if a package is unmaintained? [22:13] TheLordOfTime: hrm? Ubuntu doesn't have maintainers, most packages are maintained in Debian [22:13] micahg: that's what i meant by "unmaintained" whether here or there, how do you tell if a package is abandoned aka "unmaintained" [22:14] TheLordOfTime: well, if there are RC bugs open in Debian for more than a month, that's a pretty good sign, but that might also depend on the bug [22:15] TheLordOfTime: this would apply mostly for Universe packages -- main packages always have a maintainer (in Debian) [22:15] and UBuntu [22:16] also a good indicator is http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned [22:16] TheLordOfTime: is there a specific package? [22:16] micahg: sort of, but apparently its an instance where i need to go yell at someone for using ancient hardy-era software :P [22:17] TheLordOfTime: I still have a hardy package on one of my machines since it was dropped from the archive [22:17] micahg: someone's using knetworkmanager which was dropped since hardy [22:17] they're on precise [22:17] no clue how its still existent [22:18] TheLordOfTime: why not? packages aren't removed on upgrade unless there's a conflict of some sort [22:19] * TheLordOfTime shrugs [22:19] just sayin [22:20] TheLordOfTime: that's just a transitional package for network-manager-kde [22:21] TheLordOfTime: what's the problem? [22:21] micahg: private issue, not one occurring on IRC [22:21] * TheLordOfTime didnt realize knetworkmanager was dropped after Hardy until he checked LP [22:22] TheLordOfTime: rmadison is a nice tool