| Azelphur | ${execgraph echo 100} "your exec value is not between 0 and 100" | 01:09 |
|---|---|---|
| * Azelphur stabs conky in the face | 01:09 | |
| MartijnVdS | poor conky | 04:54 |
| diplo | Morning all | 06:56 |
| DJones | Morning | 06:56 |
| AlanBell | morning | 07:14 |
| christel | good morning :) | 07:25 |
| mattt | morning morning | 07:58 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:04 |
| czajkowski | bleugh | 08:08 |
| * bigcalm tickles czajkowski | 08:09 | |
| czajkowski | I wouldnt if I were you | 08:09 |
| popey | morning | 08:10 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 08:10 |
| diplo | What a great week, only another few hours till it's over | 08:11 |
| diplo | :( | 08:11 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: would you prefer a poke? | 08:12 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| bigcalm | 24 hours (I hope) until we set off for Farnham | 08:13 |
| * czajkowski would like to curl up and sleep | 08:13 | |
| * czajkowski wont be making it to RAT either | 08:13 | |
| bigcalm | popey: I hope there will be better weather for our arrival | 08:13 |
| czajkowski | been sick most of this week | 08:13 |
| bigcalm | :( | 08:13 |
| czajkowski | and feel like utter crap | 08:13 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: that's not fair :( | 08:14 |
| czajkowski | indeed | 08:14 |
| czajkowski | my ears are popping today it's just been one long wek of feeling ill | 08:14 |
| czajkowski | I need this week to be over | 08:14 |
| bigcalm | Have you worked instead of recovering? | 08:15 |
| diplo | Not sure how many game people are in here, but Steam Summer sale, anyone recommend a game like BattleField2 where you can wander around rather than follow a story line | 08:15 |
| bigcalm | It's prolonged my colds before now. These days I listen to Hayley when she tells me to stay in bed and not work | 08:16 |
| diplo | Like cod etc but just want to jump in and out of a game and just about worn bf2 out | 08:16 |
| * popey points diplo at gord | 08:16 | |
| bigcalm | diplo: I think directhex knows all | 08:16 |
| popey | and directhex :) | 08:16 |
| diplo | bigcalm: I do that, always work through illness :/ | 08:16 |
| diplo | Stupid | 08:16 |
| diplo | ta, you have both mentioned them now, I'll await | 08:17 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 08:17 |
| diplo | I used to game 8-10 hours a day, but since kids pretty much stopped.. just trying to find something to do in the evenings except the telly | 08:17 |
| diplo | So got old gaming PC out | 08:17 |
| popey | diplo, code :) | 08:17 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 08:18 |
| diplo | I code all day :/ | 08:18 |
| popey | i have stopped playing minecraft until I finish a couple of coding projects | 08:18 |
| diplo | for last 2 years I barely go on my PC at night as I felt like I hated it :) | 08:18 |
| bigcalm | Yeah, that does put a dampener on ones will to code for fun | 08:18 |
| diplo | I've still never played minecraft :) | 08:18 |
| bigcalm | diplo: give it a go? | 08:18 |
| bigcalm | popey: but will either ever be 'finished'? | 08:19 |
| popey | yes | 08:19 |
| popey | oh, you mean minecraft? :) | 08:19 |
| * czajkowski has never played minecraft | 08:19 | |
| bigcalm | Heh | 08:19 |
| czajkowski | I figure this is good or I'd be addicted | 08:19 |
| popey | tbh trublr just needs a little bit of work | 08:20 |
| popey | not much :) | 08:20 |
| diplo | That's the thing with minecraft, worried I won't get away from it | 08:20 |
| bigcalm | The addiction fades | 08:21 |
| gord | diplo, ARMA2 i guess, or maybe battlefield 3 | 08:21 |
| popey | why is my coffee and toast taking so long to arrive! | 08:21 |
| bigcalm | popey: because you haven't bribed your children enough | 08:22 |
| bigcalm | popey: they need more training | 08:22 |
| popey | i think its because i muted wifes phone | 08:22 |
| popey | so now she doesn't hear the facebook pings from me | 08:22 |
| bigcalm | Haha | 08:22 |
| bigcalm | You requested breakfast via Facebook? | 08:23 |
| diplo | gord: Is BF3 like BF2 but just newer ? IE Gameplay | 08:23 |
| diplo | I've got arma but seemed to fail to get into it, may try again | 08:23 |
| gord | not really, its more like call of duty. but still has planes and jets | 08:23 |
| diplo | can you free play though ? | 08:23 |
| gord | er helis and jets | 08:23 |
| gord | what do you mean by free play | 08:24 |
| popey | wander around like GTA3 | 08:24 |
| gord | but you couldn't do that in bf2 ;) not without getting shot in the face | 08:24 |
| diplo | heh, I just like i could go in bf2 on a big map and not follow a story line, just play against bots | 08:25 |
| gord | ah okay, no, you can do that in ARMA2, but in bf3 its vs online people or story | 08:26 |
| bigcalm | Sounds like IRC to me | 08:26 |
| gord | but the online is very well done | 08:26 |
| diplo | yeah not sure I want to play online anymore, worried I'll get addicted to it again :D | 08:26 |
| bigcalm | hl2 dm :D | 08:26 |
| diplo | Used to play *alot* | 08:26 |
| bigcalm | diplo: you played gord? | 08:27 |
| bigcalm | Oh, wrong spelling :) | 08:27 |
| dwatkins | I played gord in a sitcom once. | 08:27 |
| diplo | In original cod, top ten people on global stats, 6 of those were from my clan | 08:27 |
| diplo | and dod we were fairly high up, then we all either grew up / had kids / got married :/ | 08:28 |
| bigcalm | Time and life are vicious | 08:29 |
| * bigcalm looks down at his beer belly | 08:29 | |
| gord | sounds like you had a lot of fun, sounds like rekindling that would be a lot of fun too | 08:29 |
| diplo | yeah miss it, used to go to the Multiplay Lans down in newbury for many years | 08:30 |
| diplo | Lot's of beer and gaming | 08:30 |
| bigcalm | christel: have you found your RAT tickets yet? | 08:32 |
| popey | \o/ coffee and toast arrive! | 08:35 |
| bigcalm | It's a kind of magic | 08:35 |
| popey | indeed | 08:35 |
| bigcalm | I doubt it will work for me though | 08:35 |
| christel | bigcalm: i have not yet looked | 08:39 |
| * bigcalm tickles christel into action | 08:42 | |
| directhex | someone rang? diplo? | 08:49 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! Happy Friday the 13th! >:-) | 08:49 |
| diplo | Just talking about games directhex | 08:51 |
| directhex | ah, my specialty | 08:51 |
| diplo | Wondering if anyone can recommend a BF2 esq style one where you can wander around | 08:51 |
| diplo | Don't want a story line | 08:52 |
| directhex | multiplayer? | 08:52 |
| diplo | gord has mentioned ARMA, single player preferably so i can switch on and off at will when kids are about | 08:52 |
| diplo | Everything seems to be story line now, and not bots you can play against | 08:52 |
| directhex | i can see why he'd recommend ARMA. it's a reasonable option | 08:53 |
| directhex | it's not really a genre i engage in. i love stories | 08:53 |
| diplo | I've got a version at home, probably bought 3 year or so ago | 08:53 |
| diplo | I liked the cod stories tbh, first time I'd ever completed a game from start to finish | 08:54 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 08:54 |
| diplo | But stopped playing after Modern Warfare | 08:54 |
| directhex | MW3 is on sale :D | 08:55 |
| directhex | i wonder how you'd do with STALKER. it's got a storyline. on paper. but it's far too freeform for my tastes | 08:55 |
| diplo | Hmm, I've head of that | 08:55 |
| diplo | heard* | 08:55 |
| diplo | I'll take a look ta | 08:55 |
| bigcalm | Robocod? | 08:57 |
| directhex | and, traditionally, operation flashpoint is The(tm) series for this stuff. but maybe i'm showing my age | 08:57 |
| diplo | yeah used to play that a long time ago, but one version i tried i just couldn't get into | 08:58 |
| gord | hrm, sent a cancellation request to my ISP so i can switch to fibre, now i'm getting terrible internet. i'm overly suspicious! | 09:17 |
| popey | you going FTTC? | 09:18 |
| gord | yeah, quoted 80mbit, we'll see | 09:18 |
| popey | infinity or whatever its called? | 09:18 |
| popey | golly | 09:18 |
| gord | zen, infinity reseller | 09:18 |
| popey | my virgin cable is supposed to go from 30 to 60 "sometime between october and july next year" | 09:19 |
| gord | the > 100mbit fibre stuff should start rolling out next year i think, but that means upgrading my network from 100 -> 1000mbit :(... and i don't need that much bandwidth either | 09:20 |
| oimon | in libreoffice calc, how do i stop autocomplete in a cell? i am typing cheese but don't want cheeseburger to appear when i press return after typing cheese | 09:20 |
| oimon | my workaround is to press space after and delete the space | 09:20 |
| oimon | but i want better | 09:20 |
| inn0min4t3 | Good afternoon :) | 09:27 |
| oimon | talking of games (directhex, gord) anyone know of a good WWII dogfight game on any platform? | 09:28 |
| directhex | oimon, il2 sturmovic is the best regarded for that iirc | 09:28 |
| oimon | my fave game of yore was chocks away | 09:28 |
| gord | yes get il2 | 09:28 |
| gord | but only if you have a joystick | 09:28 |
| oimon | i played il2 on xbox 360 but didn't seem to have that wow factor :-\ | 09:28 |
| gord | its not the same game | 09:28 |
| oimon | how about if i plug a ps2 controller into pc? | 09:28 |
| gord | il2 sturmovic on pc is amazing | 09:28 |
| gord | no, get a joystick | 09:29 |
| directhex | sorry, you want a dogfighting game with a joypad? that's not a dogfighting game, it's an arcade shooter | 09:29 |
| directhex | you need a joystick the size of a house, with full manual throttle | 09:29 |
| gord | here is a great lp of sturmovik, it should convince you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3nY-1ShU80&list=PLCA1B7F12E836EC5D&index=2&feature=plpp_video | 09:30 |
| oimon | which version of il2 on pc? | 09:30 |
| gord | oimon: http://www.gog.com/gamecard/il_2_sturmovik_1946 this one | 09:30 |
| * BigRedS loves his il2 | 09:30 | |
| inn0min4t3 | On the subject of games, I was happy to see that Heroes of Newearth have a Linux client.. Even if League of Legends doesn't :( | 09:30 |
| BigRedS | though I've been missing it recently. Doesn't want to work either on my Ubuntu or Wintendo 7 installs :( | 09:30 |
| oimon | does it work on wine perchance? | 09:31 |
| oimon | gord, ? | 09:31 |
| gord | no idea, i play it on my windows 7 machine | 09:31 |
| oimon | ah gameOS | 09:31 |
| gord | i would guess it does though, it has an opengl mode and is old and popular enough | 09:31 |
| oimon | just flicked through the youtube vids and didn't see any planes :P | 09:32 |
| gord | well not if you flick through ;P head to the russian campaign he did for more great action | 09:33 |
| oimon | ah, found the 58 planes combat one | 09:33 |
| inn0min4t3 | That game would work fine using WINE (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1838) | 09:33 |
| oimon | wish i was near farnborough this week | 09:36 |
| oimon | like seeing the old planes | 09:36 |
| oimon | thanks for advice chaps, think i will invest in il2 then | 09:37 |
| BigRedS | gord: I've got it working before, but it doesn't appear to OOTB on Precise | 09:38 |
| BigRedS | I've put precisely zero effort in to troubleshooting it though | 09:39 |
| popey | oimon, its overrated | 09:40 |
| oimon | popey, my dad lives in farnham, it's quite cool to be in the garden on a sunny day when a lanc flies over though | 09:40 |
| oimon | the traffic is terrible though | 09:40 |
| oimon | i'm still a child when a jet flies overhead, i run out of the house | 09:41 |
| BigRedS | yeah, every time I leave London on the M4, M11 or M23 there's a good chance I'll ride into something 'cause I'm watching a 737 or something overhead... | 09:42 |
| diplo | Hmm Il2 Sturm, I have that... | 09:44 |
| oimon | diplo, you like? | 09:44 |
| diplo | yeah think I did, not played it in a long time | 09:45 |
| diplo | Might dig that as well | 09:45 |
| oimon | probably easier than spinning up an archimedes emulator for chocks away to discover the graphis and gameplay are better in my memories | 09:45 |
| directhex | heh. hate it when that happens | 09:47 |
| directhex | happy to say super metroid is as wonderful today as it was in the 90's though <3 | 09:47 |
| oimon | il2 is on offer from steam..£6.69 - do steam games come with drm? | 09:49 |
| oimon | i.e. can i copy it from a win box running steam client to a linux box | 09:49 |
| directhex | steam itself is technically a DRM platform | 09:50 |
| directhex | games may optionally include a second, thicker layer of DRM (e.g. recent ubisoft games with their always-on nonsense) | 09:50 |
| BigRedS | oimon: you can install steam under wine | 09:51 |
| BigRedS | but otherwise, no. I think steam games are pretty dependent on several steam libraries | 09:51 |
| oimon | meh | 09:51 |
| BigRedS | I only tried it a couple of times before just installing steam in wine | 09:51 |
| oimon | does that work as expected? | 09:51 |
| BigRedS | With games I have a very low arsedness threshold. If it's too much like work to get them going I just do some work and get paid for it instead | 09:51 |
| oimon | i noticed there's another il2 game released: cliffs of dover | 09:52 |
| oimon | last year | 09:52 |
| BigRedS | yeah, it was pretty good. I only played HL2, though, not IL2 | 09:52 |
| BigRedS | My IL2 is a non-steam CD | 09:52 |
| directhex | it depends on the game, FWIW, as to how tightly the steamclient.dll dependency is coded in | 09:54 |
| directhex | some games basically don't require it at all (old DOS games bundled with dosbox, mainly) | 09:54 |
| directhex | if the game has achievements, it has tighter coupling, for obvious raisins | 09:54 |
| directhex | or cloud saves | 09:55 |
| BigRedS | obvious raisins? I do not like those | 09:55 |
| BigRedS | thoigh they're better than ones that're sneakily hidden in cake. Those are the worst | 09:56 |
| BigRedS | But, anyway, IL2 doesn't integrate into steam at all, so you might be okay | 09:56 |
| oimon | sounds like a lot of if buts and maybes. | 09:57 |
| oimon | maybe i should buy the DVD of the game @4.45 :-\ | 09:57 |
| directhex | oimon, but then you'd have to wait, like some kind of webless savage | 10:03 |
| oimon | i'm a daddy, i think i'll prob have to wait for a wek before i get an hour to play it | 10:04 |
| oimon | ah, my wiff is out for 1 hr tonight.hmmm | 10:04 |
| oimon | probably take more than that to configure in wine :-\ | 10:04 |
| directhex | i get to play games every 3 hours! | 10:11 |
| diplo | every 3 hours ? | 10:12 |
| directhex | yes! | 10:12 |
| directhex | well, about 3.5 at the moment | 10:12 |
| diplo | nice | 10:13 |
| oimon | i've recently come back to firefox, is there a way to see what tab is killing my cpu? | 10:15 |
| gord | its the one with twitter in it | 10:18 |
| diplo | heh or G+ | 10:19 |
| diplo | But I've just downloaded opera and I must say first time I've used it in years and it's quick | 10:19 |
| oimon | looks like it was a dead facebook went wrong tab | 10:24 |
| diplo | on FB whilst at work! | 10:24 |
| diplo | :P | 10:24 |
| oimon | "on FB" means having a tab open, then yes :D | 10:25 |
| oimon | turns out there's lots of mods and maps for il2 too .. | 10:26 |
| diplo | ooh, my joystick is about as old as old :) | 10:26 |
| diplo | serial to usb convertor on it | 10:26 |
| directhex | ._. | 10:27 |
| directhex | serial or MIDI? | 10:27 |
| diplo | not sure tbh, not used in a long time | 10:29 |
| diplo | but from what i remember of usb convertors it could be midi | 10:29 |
| * diplo googles | 10:29 | |
| diplo | Still none the wiser, but from memory it worked before | 10:33 |
| oimon | how do joysticks/gamepads work with wine? is it decided by the game? | 10:33 |
| AdvoWork | Hi there. I've decided its time to give something back to Ubuntu, where do I begin :p | 10:33 |
| oimon | only used one before with n64 emulator, and that had an interface to config it | 10:33 |
| directhex | AdvoWork, what are your skills? | 10:34 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:35 |
| popey | !contribute | 10:35 |
| lubotu3 | To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu | 10:35 |
| popey | AdvoWork, ^^ | 10:35 |
| directhex | popey, translation is missing from that url | 10:36 |
| popey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Translation | 10:36 |
| bigcalm | Morning davmor2 | 10:36 |
| popey | you're right about the first one tho | 10:36 |
| * popey files a bug | 10:37 | |
| popey | oh, directhex its under "non technical users" | 10:37 |
| popey | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/non-technical-users | 10:37 |
| diplo | I really think my work is trying to make me get really peaved this week | 10:41 |
| diplo | php4 issues and now perl :( | 10:41 |
| AdvoWork | directhex, erm, i know various distributions(ubuntu,centos,freebsd) various other things such as asterisk/trixbox/xen, coding wise (php/js/smarty/) apache and so forth. Some things better than others | 10:42 |
| jacobw | morning | 10:42 |
| jacobw | AdvoWork: packaging | 10:42 |
| jacobw | what's smarty? | 10:43 |
| AlanBell | a templating system | 10:43 |
| AlanBell | it can be used for good or for evil | 10:43 |
| directhex | AdvoWork, bug fixing is useful, if occasionally tedious | 10:43 |
| directhex | we use smarty at work | 10:43 |
| directhex | for evil | 10:43 |
| directhex | we glued movable type into smarty | 10:43 |
| * AlanBell is trying to get some vtiger smarty stuff to not be broken right now | 10:44 | |
| directhex | i might be biased, but i think making new mono-based games is obviously the most valuable thing one can do | 10:45 |
| AdvoWork | directhex, smarty annoys the life out of me, i'm going to try and get rid of it this year | 10:45 |
| AdvoWork | it makes quite a difference in page loading too sometimes. | 10:45 |
| AdvoWork | out of interest, do you all have regular meetings? | 10:46 |
| jacobw | domain language of php? | 10:46 |
| jacobw | !meetings | 10:46 |
| lubotu3 | Team meetings are held in #ubuntu-meeting - See « /msg ubottu logs » for transcripts. | 10:46 |
| directhex | AdvoWork, anyway, the links popey pasted are surprisingly good. i guess the key thing to do is find a niche that interests, and maybe even excites, you. you're not going to be a good contributor on things you don't care much about, since it feels too much like "work" | 10:46 |
| directhex | AdvoWork, what motivates is benefiting yourself from your efforts, and seeing your improvements in visible ways | 10:46 |
| AdvoWork | yeah, i'll have a bit of a browse and see what I can help with. I've been to one meeting/conference(last year) i think, in London, but cant remember who was doing it now | 10:48 |
| AlanBell | AdvoWork: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/ | 10:54 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: prod what phone you got kidda | 10:56 |
| jacobw | the famous barbecue :) | 11:02 |
| AlanBell | jacobw: starting to get slightly concerned about the weather now | 11:02 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: galaxy nexus | 11:03 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: and how is jelly bean, and keep mentioning on twitter I want to see if fab explodes :D | 11:03 |
| * MartijnVdS loves jelly bean | 11:04 | |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ galaxy nexus | 11:04 |
| * MartijnVdS is waiting for 4.1 on Xoom | 11:04 | |
| Myrtti | jellyben ♥ | 11:04 |
| brobostigon | :) | 11:04 |
| Myrtti | bean, even | 11:04 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: whats up with him ? | 11:05 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: see twitter he is saying things like ICS is the new JB | 11:05 |
| czajkowski | meh | 11:07 |
| czajkowski | for sanity sake I dont follow him :) | 11:07 |
| * AlanBell wonders whether to renew givehugs.net | 12:02 | |
| * christel gives hugs to AlanBell | 12:02 | |
| AlanBell | was going to be a like/+1 button thingie, but less evil (or run for my own evil benefit rather than an evil corporation) | 12:03 |
| AlanBell | so on a blog post or whatever you could add a hug button along with the G+/Tweet/reddit stuff | 12:03 |
| MartijnVdS | popey, AlanBell, Laney: You can now move your G+ contacts to another account! | 12:04 |
| MartijnVdS | Log in with the "unwanted" account on google.com/takeout | 12:04 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: I'm waiting for the promised ICS still but if I get JB in the meant ime I'll be more than happy :) | 12:04 |
| MartijnVdS | and you can select it | 12:04 |
| Laney | MartijnVdS: ah, nice | 12:05 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: On which device? | 12:05 |
| MartijnVdS | Laney, popey: https://plus.google.com/117826731803569547326/posts/5EXAuM3QJrP | 12:05 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: Xoom | 12:06 |
| Laney | There's a 7 day waiting period before your transfer begins. | 12:07 |
| Laney | yah boo | 12:07 |
| Laney | would be nice if it took content too I guess, but still good | 12:08 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: ah, still no ICS on yours? Time to flash one of the factory images :) | 12:10 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/1586-stock-images/ | 12:11 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: still under Warranty so I'll upgrade with official but thanks :) | 12:11 |
| AdvoWork | is this down for anyone else? or is there a different page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers | 12:12 |
| diplo | Just jumped on a customers server because it wasn't doing an update to their site | 12:13 |
| diplo | Rogue process been using 90% cpu since may 10th | 12:13 |
| diplo | and no one has complained! | 12:13 |
| diplo | the link redirects yes AdvoWork | 12:14 |
| diplo | ymm no it doesn't | 12:14 |
| * diplo sets /ignore diplo | 12:15 | |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: _if_ it ever comes :) | 12:17 |
| oimon | i wanna buy a tiny hand drill than takes really small drill bits, like this - what would it be called? | 12:17 |
| oimon | http://www.newmodellersshop.co.uk/images/expo_tools/750-10.jpg | 12:17 |
| jacobw | oimon: what's the dimensions of that grid? | 12:18 |
| oimon | probably the length is 4 inches for the hand drill | 12:18 |
| oimon | apparently it's a revolving top pin vice | 12:18 |
| directhex | was about to say, looks like a pin vice to me | 12:19 |
| oimon | i need it for modelling | 12:19 |
| directhex | i sold one recently on ebay | 12:19 |
| oimon | :( | 12:19 |
| It | net | 12:19 |
| directhex | http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat470006a&prodId=prod1095460 ? | 12:19 |
| oimon | my copy to usb stick has taken 1hr so far...1 hr to go | 12:20 |
| oimon | :-\ | 12:20 |
| oimon | directhex, do you make models? | 12:23 |
| directhex | oimon, not for more than a decade now | 12:24 |
| oimon | when i put the laptop down and do some modelling i always wonder why i don't prioritise it , it's very de-stressing | 12:32 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: well yes | 12:40 |
| * bigcalm returns | 12:53 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Hey dude, have you seen JB on you sgs3? | 12:54 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: should I be expecting it? | 12:54 |
| bigcalm | I don't actually know how to check for updates on this handset :D | 12:55 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: no I just wondered if you'd done a search and seen a video :D | 12:55 |
| Twinkletoes | Is there any reason my 10.04 LTS isn't detecting that 12.04 is out? the setting on Update Manager is set to "Prompt=lts" | 12:56 |
| bigcalm | Twinkletoes: yes, it'll be available once 12.04.1 is released | 12:56 |
| Twinkletoes | bigcalm: Ah, ok - thank you :) | 12:56 |
| bigcalm | Twinkletoes: which I was expecting 1st July. So I don't know what's the state of play | 12:57 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: Not looked. It any good? | 12:57 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I don't know that's why I thought I'd ask you, you spanner :) | 12:58 |
| bigcalm | :P | 12:58 |
| bigcalm | 4 hours until I'm on holiday for a week | 12:58 |
| * bigcalm tries to contain his excitement | 12:59 | |
| davmor2 | and fails | 13:00 |
| bigcalm | Are you sure? | 13:00 |
| davmor2 | I think that was you about as excited as you get, so yes I'm sure :P | 13:01 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 13:01 |
| bigcalm | You know the reasons | 13:01 |
| * bigcalm picks up Learning Python for some light afternoon reading | 13:02 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: have a look at this instead http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/ loads of code snippets with pretty good explanations on what and how it works (it might help you more than just a book | 13:04 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: ta | 13:04 |
| davmor2 | ) | 13:05 |
| christel | bigcalm: PANIC OVER | 13:15 |
| christel | i found my tickets | 13:15 |
| bigcalm | Yippie :D | 13:16 |
| bigcalm | christel: prepared to be tickled! | 13:16 |
| christel | woop | 13:16 |
| DJones | AlanBell: Any interest? http://www.thevarguy.com/2012/07/13/selling-linux-pcs-to-senior-citizens-the-wow-computer/ | 13:20 |
| davmor2 | this is a class tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9OsdvZu-I8&feature=related and popey it from the 90's :D | 13:22 |
| davmor2 | christel: he said tickled not do an impression of zoidburg :D | 13:23 |
| christel | haha | 13:23 |
| diplo | Class is a bit strong davmor2 :P | 13:28 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 13:34 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: wubwubwubwub! | 13:37 |
| davmor2 | see now MartijnVdS has turned into Zoidburg | 13:37 |
| MartijnVdS | People know my name! | 13:41 |
| jacobw | bigcalm: check out http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596515829.do and http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596516499.do for ways of learning python whilst learning something else | 13:47 |
| bigcalm | Interesting | 13:49 |
| bigcalm | I can do hello world in python now | 13:55 |
| bigcalm | What more do I need? | 13:55 |
| mattt | bigcalm: what about herro world? | 13:56 |
| bigcalm | :O | 13:56 |
| bigcalm | You have turned my world upside down | 13:57 |
| mattt | my work is done | 13:57 |
| * mattt is afk | 13:57 | |
| jacobw | tip: don't write python code with python3 features and expect it with on lucid | 13:58 |
| jacobw | work with lucid even | 13:58 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: use QT and do it in a gui | 13:58 |
| bigcalm | So print, not print() ? | 13:59 |
| ali1234 | print() always works | 13:59 |
| ali1234 | due to the way tuples are parsed | 13:59 |
| ali1234 | it might not have the same results but it won't crash | 13:59 |
| bigcalm | I still can't get my head around the lack of ; at the end of statements | 13:59 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: print('moo') iirc is the way it will work in python3 | 13:59 |
| jacobw | print "{object} does {subject}".format(object=name,subject=thing) | 14:01 |
| jacobw | labels in {} within strings can be replaced with variables using string.format() | 14:01 |
| bigcalm | Fun | 14:01 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: it could be worse you could be looking at perl :D | 14:02 |
| bigcalm | I know perl | 14:03 |
| bigcalm | Or used to | 14:03 |
| ali1234 | the problem with perl is everybody knows a slightly different dialect | 14:03 |
| jacobw | features like dictionary comprehension and list comprehensions make python awesome | 14:04 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 14:05 |
| Azelphur | Hmm, conky has a variable called wireless_link_qual, it shows a number saying what my signal quality is, currently it's 69/70. What unit would that be in? | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | but those are just nice syntax for common design patterns | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | which is the way it should be | 14:05 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: "qualities" | 14:06 |
| Azelphur | haha | 14:06 |
| ali1234 | anyway you answered your own question | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | it's 69/70 | 14:07 |
| Azelphur | yea but 69/70 what, dBm? | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | no | 14:07 |
| Azelphur | %? | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | it's unitless | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | it's not percent either | 14:07 |
| Azelphur | you can't have a unitless measurement | 14:07 |
| Azelphur | that's madness | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | if it was 69/100 it would be percent | 14:07 |
| ali1234 | it's 69/70 so it's per-seventy | 14:08 |
| Azelphur | sorry, I meant it hovers between 69 and 70 | 14:08 |
| Azelphur | I'll go with percent | 14:08 |
| ali1234 | the real answer is every wireless chipset uses a different unit | 14:09 |
| ali1234 | so there's no way of knowing | 14:09 |
| Azelphur | fun | 14:09 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: All you need to know is it's one less than 71 :D | 14:10 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 14:10 |
| jacobw | you could add another line of code to make it a percent | 14:12 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: aha, it is in magical pony units, It has a wireless_link_qual_max variable too | 14:13 |
| Darael | Azelphur: of course you can have unitless measurements. Boson numbers, strangeness... | 14:13 |
| Azelphur | but it also has wireless_link_qual_perc, so I'll use that instead | 14:13 |
| jacobw | i'm looking for offline games for ubuntu to play this weekend | 14:24 |
| jacobw | i have roughly an hour to download thing before i head home | 14:24 |
| bigcalm | 2.5 hoursish until holiday \o/ | 14:25 |
| jacobw | i already have warzone 2100 | 14:25 |
| * jacobw mails bigcalm a real live python for his return | 14:25 | |
| bigcalm | Hah | 14:26 |
| diplo | Me being all pompous and saying o2 hadn't affected me yesterday | 14:45 |
| diplo | Well I now can't send txts or calls | 14:45 |
| diplo | yet all says ok | 14:46 |
| diplo | :( | 14:46 |
| bigcalm | Does rebooting the phone help? | 14:56 |
| bigcalm | Or turning off radio and back on again | 14:56 |
| diplo | Nope and nope | 14:57 |
| diplo | :/ | 14:57 |
| diplo | Turned to 2g only as well | 14:57 |
| bigcalm | Silly o2 | 14:57 |
| diplo | yer :( | 14:57 |
| diplo | mate just text me to test, so can defo receive them | 14:58 |
| diplo | Hmm, maybe my fault | 15:02 |
| diplo | :P | 15:02 |
| diplo | Defo was my fault, I really shouldn't have got out of bed this morning | 15:04 |
| bigcalm | 1 hour, 54 mins | 15:06 |
| diplo | 54mins... | 15:07 |
| * jacobw is on CEST | 15:08 | |
| jacobw | \o/ | 15:08 |
| bigcalm | Darn you all | 15:10 |
| diplo | Why the work so late bigcalm ? | 15:12 |
| bigcalm | diplo: it's my contracted hours | 15:13 |
| diplo | 9-6 ? | 15:13 |
| bigcalm | Yep | 15:13 |
| diplo | Benefit of getting up later though | 15:15 |
| bigcalm | I took Hayley into work today. Need to remember to go and pick her up later :) | 15:17 |
| diplo | heh | 15:17 |
| bigcalm | Somebody kick me out at 6pm please? | 15:17 |
| diplo | I forgot my kids school meeting, work been so manic. Lucky the ex wife text me to say what room it was in so jogged my memory | 15:18 |
| bigcalm | Just used s-voice to set a reminder for 18:00 | 15:24 |
| bigcalm | That was far more trouble than I'm sure it was worth | 15:24 |
| bigcalm | Would love this RSI in my mouse hand to go away | 15:30 |
| bigcalm | I hope it doesn't effect my ability to hold pints of ale tomorrow | 15:30 |
| jacobw | i sampled a litre of beer a few weeks ago | 15:31 |
| jacobw | it is with shame that i say it was physically difficult to lift | 15:31 |
| bigcalm | Quite a sample | 15:31 |
| bigcalm | A litre is less than 2 pints | 15:32 |
| * jacobw is not macho | 15:32 | |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 15:32 |
| bigcalm | Or bad style of glass | 15:32 |
| jacobw | i think the glass was about twice as thick as a british pint glass | 15:32 |
| bigcalm | When going to a new pub, I insist on having a handled mug. They slowly learn to give me one without asking | 15:34 |
| bigcalm | Good training for drinking proper pints ;) | 15:34 |
| jacobw | hehe | 15:35 |
| bigcalm | Aha. I think the RSI is from trying to play Bit.trip runner | 15:38 |
| * bigcalm tinkers with Bastion for a bit instead | 15:38 | |
| * jacobw → home | 15:39 | |
| popey | bigcalm, good luck getting a handled mug on the beer train :) | 15:41 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Whose on the RAT tomorrow then? | 15:49 |
| AlanBell | me o/ | 15:49 |
| christel | ME! | 16:19 |
| daubers | YOU! | 16:20 |
| * christel nods | 16:20 | |
| bigcalm | Me | 16:24 |
| bigcalm | popey: ho hum :) | 16:25 |
| bigcalm | popey: will get me a RAT glass though | 16:25 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| sebsebseb | hi | 17:05 |
| apacheuk | evening everyone | 17:08 |
| bigcalm | Morning | 17:09 |
| apacheuk | anyone have any experience with the application webcam???? am trying to make it ssh to my vps on a none standard port, my next step is to start banging my head against the wall | 17:12 |
| bigcalm | apacheuk: I'm using webcam, but not of a non-standard ssh port | 17:14 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Matt Daubney] Home Sensing (what is your environment like?) - http://daubers.co.uk/2012/07/13/home-sensing-what-is-your-environment-like/ | 17:14 |
| apacheuk | bigcalm: am thinking I'm going to have to move it back to the standard port in order to get it too work | 17:15 |
| bigcalm | apacheuk: I don't think you should have to. Try exporting an SSH variable before running webcam | 17:16 |
| bigcalm | apacheuk: I don't recall what the variable for port number is though | 17:16 |
| apacheuk | bigcalm: I have a config file in my .ssh dir to manage my various connections, how do you mean "Try exporting an SSH variable before running webcam"? | 17:18 |
| bigcalm | apacheuk: as in export SSH_PORT=12345;webcam | 17:20 |
| bigcalm | Or something | 17:20 |
| bigcalm | I don't know what the variable is or if it will work | 17:20 |
| apacheuk | bigcalm: ah OK, will give it a try | 17:21 |
| apacheuk | hmmm no luck, my only other option I guess is to save the image locally then schedule a cron job to upload the file via sftp | 17:33 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: why the export? | 18:16 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: just "SSH_PORT=12345 webcam" should set the variable for just the program you're running | 18:17 |
| davmor2 | MOOOOOOO! | 18:17 |
| Azelphur | Is there anything in /proc that can tell you how long till battery is charged / discharged? | 18:21 |
| Azelphur | conkies $battery is broked :( | 18:21 |
| Azelphur | oh wait it's not broke, just really really slow to update | 18:23 |
| dwatkins | cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state | 18:35 |
| dwatkins | that shows me some information about my battery, ymmv | 18:35 |
| dwatkins | Azelphur: I'm sure I can leave processing that as an excercise for the reader etc. | 18:35 |
| Azelphur | yea, ty | 18:38 |
| Azelphur | dwatkins: it doesn't have an ETA there | 18:38 |
| dwatkins | Azelphur: I suspect that's calculated by the battery widget using the information shown there | 18:41 |
| * Azelphur shrugs | 18:41 | |
| Azelphur | conky has it, it's just that it updates really really slowly, I noticed that the battery update interval is 10 seconds, so maybe that's affecting conky. Wonder if I can turn that up a bi t:) | 18:41 |
| dwatkins | Do you need information on your battery more frequently than every 10 seconds? | 18:46 |
| Azelphur | dwatkins: yea, it bugs me with conky because it takes 10 seconds to change telling me it's no longer plugged in | 18:47 |
| Azelphur | I'd prefer 1 second, I imagine the affect on battery life for the polling would be minimal anyway | 18:47 |
| popey | AlanBell, have you planned your journey to/from the RAT? | 19:03 |
| popey | I have, as yet, not. | 19:03 |
| popey | wonder if i can get back to ash vale, that's not far from home | 19:03 |
| dwatkins | Azelphur: ah I see what you mean, I would have expected that kind of state change to happen straightaway, like with an interrupt. | 19:03 |
| popey | ooh, alton -> brookwood, brookwood -> farnborough might be a winner | 19:04 |
| Azelphur | dwatkins: yea, ACPI kicks in and changes that it's running on battery power, but I have a "{time} until {dis}charged" line | 19:04 |
| Azelphur | so if you plug it in the (dis)charged switches straight away, and the time stays still for ~10 seconds | 19:05 |
| ali1234 | "even a few rookie developers can at least make the virtual wallet more secure than a physical wallet" HAHAHAHAHA, oh wow, slashdot | 19:34 |
| Azelphur | oh dear | 19:34 |
| Azelphur | that's a recipe for disaster. | 19:34 |
| ali1234 | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2977669&cid=40641157 | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | actually the whole comment is comedy gold | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | "you could literally have a new one downloaded the same day" | 19:36 |
| ali1234 | --- OR you can wait for 3 weeks while the bank does a security audit during which time your account is locked | 19:37 |
| Azelphur | clearly someone never taught that guy not to put all your eggs into one basket | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | this is the kind of naivety that caused the bitcoin bubble | 19:37 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't surprise me that slashdot, which hates bitcoin, has failed to learn any of the lessons from it | 19:38 |
| dwatkins | a credit card downloaded to your app... what could go wrong? | 19:38 |
| dwatkins | Daisy, daisy.... | 19:38 |
| Azelphur | can anyone who is fancy with awk parse the output to xrandr to just show the current resolution? | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | xrandr | grep \* | 19:42 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: almost, that gets the whole line :P | 19:44 |
| ali1234 | lines | 19:44 |
| ali1234 | if you have two monitors | 19:44 |
| Azelphur | this is for a netbook, so only one monitor | 19:44 |
| Azelphur | and I just want the resolution, eg 1366x768 | 19:45 |
| dwatkins | xrandr -display :0 | grep \* | cut -f4 -d' ' | 19:45 |
| Azelphur | ty :) | 19:46 |
| dwatkins | remove the -display 0 if you're not doing it via a remote login. | 19:46 |
| dwatkins | Sorry, but I couldn't be bothered to get up and walk over to the netbook ;) | 19:46 |
| Azelphur | haha | 19:46 |
| dwatkins | I'm not sure that's the best way, but it worked for me on 11.04, you may find a better and less error-prone way to parse it, I got that with a bit of trial-and-error. | 19:47 |
| dwatkins | (and ali1234's rather useful suggestion) | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | just use xinerama api | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | XineramaQueryScreens | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | that's the best way to get the real setup of the display | 19:48 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: this is for conky lol | 19:48 |
| dwatkins | Azelphur: are you putting the result in a file or querying it every 10 seconds? | 19:49 |
| Azelphur | querying it | 19:50 |
| directhex | if anyone cares (e.g. diplo), il-2 is 50% off on gog.com | 21:00 |
| popey | what's il-2? | 21:09 |
| popey | oh, found it | 21:09 |
| popey | http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/il_2_sturmovik_1946 | 21:10 |
| hamitron | I still not tried that since getting it before xmas | 21:10 |
| Azelphur | is there a way to set the unity launcher color? | 21:15 |
| czajkowski | popey: know if anyone else wants to go to RAT tomorrow? | 21:17 |
| ahayzen | Azelphur: You can in CCSM | 21:18 |
| Azelphur | ahayzen: ah, ty | 21:18 |
| ahayzen | Azelphur, Ubuntu unity plugin -> Experimental -> background color (make sure you change the opacity) | 21:19 |
| Azelphur | yea, found it :) | 21:19 |
| ahayzen | yey :) | 21:19 |
| popey | czajkowski, not off the top of my head, wonder if I could convince wifey to go | 21:19 |
| czajkowski | popey: jon has my ticket spare | 21:20 |
| Azelphur | ahayzen: hmm this doesn't seem to work, I've set the opacity everywhere to zero, and yet I still have a faint blue background | 21:21 |
| ahayzen | i set opacity to 255 | 21:21 |
| Azelphur | ahayzen: if I do that then it totally trips out, the bar goes transparent and all the icons go solid black | 21:22 |
| ahayzen | blimey | 21:22 |
| ahayzen | guess that is why it is under experimental? | 21:23 |
| Azelphur | lmao, that's a bug | 21:23 |
| Azelphur | if I set it to #000001 it's fine | 21:23 |
| Azelphur | it's only if you go total black that it freaks out | 21:23 |
| ahayzen | yep same... total black #000000 with opacity 255 causes odd behaviour | 21:24 |
| Azelphur | fun | 21:24 |
| Azelphur | the dash home button seems to have a blue background too, dunno where it got that from | 21:26 |
| ahayzen | yh i noticed that...you should probably report a bug about this... unless there is one already | 21:26 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 21:26 |
| czajkowski | where did popey go | 21:28 |
| * bigcalm peeks in | 21:34 | |
| * Azelphur peeks out | 21:34 | |
| bigcalm | Doh | 22:05 |
| bigcalm | Was just heading off to pack | 22:05 |
| bigcalm | Guess I can do both | 22:06 |
| bigcalm | popey: anything for me to test? :) | 22:06 |
| popey | no :( | 22:07 |
| popey | well, maybe | 22:07 |
| popey | yes | 22:07 |
| popey | added a little debugging | 22:07 |
| bigcalm | Ah, debugging is good | 22:08 |
| * popey builds a deb | 22:09 | |
| bigcalm | I think you enjoy doing that now you know how | 22:09 |
| popey | i do | 22:09 |
| Azelphur | Just finished the new conky layout for my netbook, think it came out good :D https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/July/2012-07-13-230914_1366x768_scrot.png | 22:13 |
| popey | nice | 22:14 |
| popey | how often does the screen update? | 22:14 |
| Azelphur | popey: conky updates every second | 22:15 |
| bigcalm | Going away from home for 4 days. Do I need a tablet as well as a laptop? | 22:18 |
| Azelphur | bigcalm: get the same netbook I have > no need to decide | 22:19 |
| bigcalm | Netbooks don't have the umf I need | 22:19 |
| * Azelphur shrugs | 22:19 | |
| bigcalm | And that doesn't answer the question for what I'm packing right now :) | 22:19 |
| * bigcalm packs the Xoom | 22:20 | |
| Azelphur | I generally take every piece of tech I can carry :P | 22:20 |
| bigcalm | I shall only take my phone on the train though | 22:20 |
| bigcalm | popey: bringing any tablets? :P | 22:20 |
| popey | haha, no | 22:20 |
| bigcalm | Good! | 22:21 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| christel | AlanBell, popey (et al): pre-RAT burgers @ 4pm at The Mulberry <3 | 23:06 |
| popey | yay | 23:06 |
| popey | mmmm burger | 23:06 |
| bigcalm | 18:26 train from Farnham arrives in Alton at 18:39. RAT leaves Alton at 19:20, don't miss it :) | 23:07 |
| popey | \o/ | 23:07 |
| * popey goes to prepare by sleeping | 23:08 | |
| popey | nn all | 23:08 |
| bigcalm | I'm too excited to sleep | 23:08 |
| bigcalm | But will try anyway | 23:08 |
| bigcalm | Long drive in the morning | 23:08 |
| bigcalm | Good night peeps :) | 23:09 |
| popey | nn | 23:09 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
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