[01:09] <Azelphur> ${execgraph echo 100} "your exec value is not between 0 and 100"
[01:09]  * Azelphur stabs conky in the face
[04:54] <MartijnVdS> poor conky
[06:56] <diplo> Morning all
[06:56] <DJones> Morning
[07:14] <AlanBell> morning
[07:25] <christel> good morning :)
[07:58] <mattt> morning morning
[08:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:08] <czajkowski> bleugh
[08:09]  * bigcalm tickles czajkowski
[08:09] <czajkowski> I wouldnt if I were you
[08:10] <popey> morning
[08:10] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:11] <diplo> What a great week, only another few hours till it's over
[08:11] <diplo> :(
[08:12] <bigcalm> czajkowski: would you prefer a poke?
[08:13] <bigcalm> 24 hours (I hope) until we set off for Farnham
[08:13]  * czajkowski would like to curl up and sleep 
[08:13]  * czajkowski wont be making it to RAT either 
[08:13] <bigcalm> popey: I hope there will be better weather for our arrival
[08:13] <czajkowski> been sick most of this week
[08:13] <bigcalm> :(
[08:13] <czajkowski> and feel like utter crap
[08:14] <bigcalm> czajkowski: that's not fair :(
[08:14] <czajkowski> indeed
[08:14] <czajkowski> my ears are popping today it's just been one long wek of feeling ill
[08:14] <czajkowski> I need this week to be over
[08:15] <bigcalm> Have you worked instead of recovering?
[08:15] <diplo> Not sure how many game people are in here, but Steam Summer sale, anyone recommend a game like BattleField2 where you can wander around rather than follow a story line
[08:16] <bigcalm> It's prolonged my colds before now. These days I listen to Hayley when she tells me to stay in bed and not work
[08:16] <diplo> Like cod etc but just want to jump in and out of a game and just about worn bf2 out
[08:16]  * popey points diplo at gord
[08:16] <bigcalm> diplo: I think directhex knows all
[08:16] <popey> and directhex :)
[08:16] <diplo> bigcalm: I do that, always work through illness :/
[08:16] <diplo> Stupid
[08:17] <diplo> ta, you have both mentioned them now, I'll await
[08:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:17] <diplo> I used to game 8-10 hours a day, but since kids pretty much stopped.. just trying to find something to do in the evenings except the telly
[08:17] <diplo> So got old gaming PC out
[08:17] <popey> diplo, code :)
[08:18] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:18] <diplo> I code all day :/
[08:18] <popey> i have stopped playing minecraft until I finish a couple of coding projects
[08:18] <diplo> for last 2 years I barely go on my PC at night as I felt like I hated it :)
[08:18] <bigcalm> Yeah, that does put a dampener on ones will to code for fun
[08:18] <diplo> I've still never played minecraft :)
[08:18] <bigcalm> diplo: give it a go?
[08:19] <bigcalm> popey: but will either ever be 'finished'?
[08:19] <popey> yes
[08:19] <popey> oh, you mean minecraft? :)
[08:19]  * czajkowski has never played minecraft 
[08:19] <bigcalm> Heh
[08:19] <czajkowski> I figure this is good or I'd be addicted
[08:20] <popey> tbh trublr just needs a little bit of work
[08:20] <popey> not much :)
[08:20] <diplo> That's the thing with minecraft, worried I won't get away from it
[08:21] <bigcalm> The addiction fades
[08:21] <gord> diplo, ARMA2 i guess, or maybe battlefield 3
[08:21] <popey> why is my coffee and toast taking so long to arrive!
[08:22] <bigcalm> popey: because you haven't bribed your children enough
[08:22] <bigcalm> popey: they need more training
[08:22] <popey> i think its because i muted wifes phone
[08:22] <popey> so now she doesn't hear the facebook pings from me
[08:22] <bigcalm> Haha
[08:23] <bigcalm> You requested breakfast via Facebook?
[08:23] <diplo> gord: Is BF3 like BF2 but just newer ? IE Gameplay
[08:23] <diplo> I've got arma but seemed to fail to get into it, may try again
[08:23] <gord> not really, its more like call of duty. but still has planes and jets
[08:23] <diplo> can you free play though ?
[08:23] <gord> er helis and jets
[08:24] <gord> what do you mean by free play
[08:24] <popey> wander around like GTA3
[08:24] <gord> but you couldn't do that in bf2 ;) not without getting shot in the face
[08:25] <diplo> heh, I just like i could go in bf2 on a big map and not follow a story line, just play against bots
[08:26] <gord> ah okay, no, you can do that in ARMA2, but in bf3 its vs online people or story
[08:26] <bigcalm> Sounds like IRC to me
[08:26] <gord> but the online is very well done
[08:26] <diplo> yeah not sure I want to play online anymore, worried I'll get addicted to it again :D
[08:26] <bigcalm> hl2 dm :D
[08:26] <diplo> Used to play *alot*
[08:27] <bigcalm> diplo: you played gord?
[08:27] <bigcalm> Oh, wrong spelling :)
[08:27] <dwatkins> I played gord in a sitcom once.
[08:27] <diplo> In original cod, top ten people on global stats, 6 of those were from my clan
[08:28] <diplo> and dod we were fairly high up, then we all either grew up / had kids / got married :/
[08:29] <bigcalm> Time and life are vicious
[08:29]  * bigcalm looks down at his beer belly
[08:29] <gord> sounds like you had a lot of fun, sounds like rekindling that would be a lot of fun too
[08:30] <diplo> yeah miss it, used to go to the Multiplay Lans down in newbury for many years
[08:30] <diplo> Lot's of beer and gaming
[08:32] <bigcalm> christel: have you found your RAT tickets yet?
[08:35] <popey> \o/ coffee and toast arrive!
[08:35] <bigcalm> It's a kind of magic
[08:35] <popey> indeed
[08:35] <bigcalm> I doubt it will work for me though
[08:39] <christel> bigcalm: i have not yet looked
[08:42]  * bigcalm tickles christel into action
[08:49] <directhex> someone rang? diplo?
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday the 13th! >:-)
[08:51] <diplo> Just talking about games directhex
[08:51] <directhex> ah, my specialty
[08:51] <diplo> Wondering if anyone can recommend a BF2 esq style one where you can wander around
[08:52] <diplo> Don't want a story line
[08:52] <directhex> multiplayer?
[08:52] <diplo> gord has mentioned ARMA, single player preferably so i can switch on and off at will when kids are about
[08:52] <diplo> Everything seems to be story line now, and not bots you can play against
[08:53] <directhex> i can see why he'd recommend ARMA. it's a reasonable option
[08:53] <directhex> it's not really a genre i engage in. i love stories
[08:53] <diplo> I've got a version at home, probably bought 3 year or so ago
[08:54] <diplo> I liked the cod stories tbh, first time I'd ever completed a game from start to finish
[08:54] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:54] <diplo> But stopped playing after Modern Warfare
[08:55] <directhex> MW3 is on sale :D
[08:55] <directhex> i wonder how you'd do with STALKER. it's got a storyline. on paper. but it's far too freeform for my tastes
[08:55] <diplo> Hmm, I've head of that
[08:55] <diplo> heard*
[08:55] <diplo> I'll take a look ta
[08:57] <bigcalm> Robocod?
[08:57] <directhex> and, traditionally, operation flashpoint is The(tm) series for this stuff. but maybe i'm showing my age
[08:58] <diplo> yeah used to play that a long time ago, but one version i tried i just couldn't get into
[09:17] <gord> hrm, sent a cancellation request to my ISP so i can switch to fibre, now i'm getting terrible internet. i'm overly suspicious!
[09:18] <popey> you going FTTC?
[09:18] <gord> yeah, quoted 80mbit, we'll see
[09:18] <popey> infinity or whatever its called?
[09:18] <popey> golly
[09:18] <gord> zen, infinity reseller
[09:19] <popey> my virgin cable is supposed to go from 30 to 60 "sometime between october and july next year"
[09:20] <gord> the > 100mbit fibre stuff should start rolling out next year i think, but that means upgrading my network from 100 -> 1000mbit :(... and i don't need that much bandwidth either
[09:20] <oimon> in libreoffice calc, how do i stop autocomplete in a cell? i am typing cheese but don't want cheeseburger to appear when i press return after typing cheese
[09:20] <oimon> my workaround is to press space after and delete the space
[09:20] <oimon> but i want better
[09:27] <inn0min4t3> Good afternoon :)
[09:28] <oimon> talking of games (directhex, gord) anyone know of a good WWII dogfight game on any platform?
[09:28] <directhex> oimon, il2 sturmovic is the best regarded for that iirc
[09:28] <oimon> my fave game of yore was chocks away
[09:28] <gord> yes get il2
[09:28] <gord> but only if you have a joystick
[09:28] <oimon> i played il2 on xbox 360 but didn't seem to have that wow factor :-\
[09:28] <gord> its not the same game
[09:28] <oimon> how about if i plug a ps2 controller into pc?
[09:28] <gord> il2 sturmovic on pc is amazing
[09:29] <gord> no, get a joystick
[09:29] <directhex> sorry, you want a dogfighting game with a joypad? that's not a dogfighting game, it's an arcade shooter
[09:29] <directhex> you need a joystick the size of a house, with full manual throttle
[09:30] <gord> here is a great lp of sturmovik, it should convince you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3nY-1ShU80&list=PLCA1B7F12E836EC5D&index=2&feature=plpp_video
[09:30] <oimon> which version of il2 on pc?
[09:30] <gord> oimon: http://www.gog.com/gamecard/il_2_sturmovik_1946 this one
[09:30]  * BigRedS loves his il2
[09:30] <inn0min4t3> On the subject of games, I was happy to see that Heroes of Newearth have a Linux client.. Even if League of Legends doesn't :(
[09:30] <BigRedS> though I've been missing it recently. Doesn't want to work either on my Ubuntu or Wintendo 7 installs :(
[09:31] <oimon> does it work on wine perchance?
[09:31] <oimon> gord, ?
[09:31] <gord> no idea, i play it on my windows 7 machine
[09:31] <oimon> ah gameOS
[09:31] <gord> i would guess it does though, it has an opengl mode and is old and popular enough
[09:32] <oimon> just flicked through the youtube vids and didn't see any planes :P
[09:33] <gord> well not if you flick through ;P head to the russian campaign he did for more great action
[09:33] <oimon> ah, found the 58 planes combat one
[09:33] <inn0min4t3> That game would work fine using WINE (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1838)
[09:36] <oimon> wish i was near farnborough this week
[09:36] <oimon> like seeing the old planes
[09:37] <oimon> thanks for advice chaps, think i will invest in il2 then
[09:38] <BigRedS> gord: I've got it working before, but it doesn't appear to OOTB on Precise
[09:39] <BigRedS> I've put precisely zero effort in to troubleshooting it though
[09:40] <popey> oimon, its overrated
[09:40] <oimon> popey, my dad lives in farnham, it's quite cool to be in the garden on a sunny day when a lanc flies over though
[09:40] <oimon> the traffic is terrible though
[09:41] <oimon> i'm still a child when a jet flies overhead, i run out of the house
[09:42] <BigRedS> yeah, every time I leave London on the M4, M11 or M23 there's a good chance I'll ride into something 'cause I'm watching a 737 or something overhead...
[09:44] <diplo> Hmm Il2 Sturm, I have that...
[09:44] <oimon> diplo, you like?
[09:45] <diplo> yeah think I did, not played it in a long time
[09:45] <diplo> Might dig that as well
[09:45] <oimon> probably easier than spinning up an archimedes emulator for chocks away to discover the graphis and gameplay are better in my memories
[09:47] <directhex> heh. hate it when that happens
[09:47] <directhex> happy to say super metroid is as wonderful today as it was in the 90's though <3
[09:49] <oimon> il2 is on offer from steam..£6.69 - do steam games come with drm?
[09:49] <oimon> i.e. can i copy it from a win box running steam client to a linux box
[09:50] <directhex> steam itself is technically a DRM platform
[09:50] <directhex> games may optionally include a second, thicker layer of DRM (e.g. recent ubisoft games with their always-on nonsense)
[09:51] <BigRedS> oimon: you can install steam under wine
[09:51] <BigRedS> but otherwise, no. I think steam games are pretty dependent on several steam libraries
[09:51] <oimon> meh
[09:51] <BigRedS> I only tried it a couple of times before just installing steam in wine
[09:51] <oimon> does that work as expected?
[09:51] <BigRedS> With games I have a very low arsedness threshold. If it's too much like work to get them going I just do some work and get paid for it instead
[09:52] <oimon> i noticed there's another il2 game released: cliffs of dover
[09:52] <oimon> last year
[09:52] <BigRedS> yeah, it was pretty good. I only played HL2, though, not IL2
[09:52] <BigRedS> My IL2 is a non-steam CD
[09:54] <directhex> it depends on the game, FWIW, as to how tightly the steamclient.dll dependency is coded in
[09:54] <directhex> some games basically don't require it at all (old DOS games bundled with dosbox, mainly)
[09:54] <directhex> if the game has achievements, it has tighter coupling, for obvious raisins
[09:55] <directhex> or cloud saves
[09:55] <BigRedS> obvious raisins? I do not like those
[09:56] <BigRedS> thoigh they're better than ones that're sneakily hidden in cake. Those are the worst
[09:56] <BigRedS> But, anyway, IL2 doesn't integrate into steam at all, so you might be okay
[09:57] <oimon> sounds like a lot of if buts and maybes.
[09:57] <oimon> maybe i should buy the DVD of the game @4.45 :-\
[10:03] <directhex> oimon, but then you'd have to wait, like some kind of webless savage
[10:04] <oimon> i'm a daddy, i think i'll prob have to wait for a wek before i get an hour to play it
[10:04] <oimon> ah, my wiff is out for 1 hr tonight.hmmm
[10:04] <oimon> probably take more than that to configure in wine :-\
[10:11] <directhex> i get to play games every 3 hours!
[10:12] <diplo> every 3 hours ?
[10:12] <directhex> yes!
[10:12] <directhex> well, about 3.5 at the moment
[10:13] <diplo> nice
[10:15] <oimon> i've recently come back to firefox, is there a way to see what tab is killing my cpu?
[10:18] <gord> its the one with twitter in it
[10:19] <diplo> heh or G+
[10:19] <diplo> But I've just downloaded opera and I must say first time I've used it in years and it's quick
[10:24] <oimon> looks like it was a dead facebook went wrong tab
[10:24] <diplo> on FB whilst at work!
[10:24] <diplo> :P
[10:25] <oimon> "on FB" means having a tab open, then yes :D
[10:26] <oimon> turns out there's lots of mods and maps for il2 too ..
[10:26] <diplo> ooh, my joystick is about as old as old :)
[10:26] <diplo> serial to usb convertor on it
[10:27] <directhex> ._.
[10:27] <directhex> serial or MIDI?
[10:29] <diplo> not sure tbh, not used in a long time
[10:29] <diplo> but from what i remember of usb convertors it could be midi
[10:29]  * diplo googles
[10:33] <diplo> Still none the wiser, but from memory it worked before
[10:33] <oimon> how do joysticks/gamepads work with wine? is it decided by the game?
[10:33] <AdvoWork> Hi there. I've decided its time to give something back to Ubuntu, where do I begin :p
[10:33] <oimon> only used one before with n64 emulator, and that had an interface to config it
[10:34] <directhex> AdvoWork, what are your skills?
[10:35] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:35] <popey> !contribute
[10:35] <popey> AdvoWork, ^^
[10:36] <directhex> popey, translation is missing from that url
[10:36] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Translation
[10:36] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:36] <popey> you're right about the first one tho
[10:37]  * popey files a bug
[10:37] <popey> oh, directhex its under "non technical users"
[10:37] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/non-technical-users
[10:41] <diplo> I really think my work is trying to make me get really peaved this week
[10:41] <diplo> php4 issues and now perl :(
[10:42] <AdvoWork> directhex, erm, i know various distributions(ubuntu,centos,freebsd) various other things such as asterisk/trixbox/xen, coding wise (php/js/smarty/) apache and so forth. Some things better than others
[10:42] <jacobw> morning
[10:42] <jacobw> AdvoWork: packaging
[10:43] <jacobw> what's smarty?
[10:43] <AlanBell> a templating system
[10:43] <AlanBell> it can be used for good or for evil
[10:43] <directhex> AdvoWork, bug fixing is useful, if occasionally tedious
[10:43] <directhex> we use smarty at work
[10:43] <directhex> for evil
[10:43] <directhex> we glued movable type into smarty
[10:44]  * AlanBell is trying to get some vtiger smarty stuff to not be broken right now
[10:45] <directhex> i might be biased, but i think making new mono-based games is obviously the most valuable thing one can do
[10:45] <AdvoWork> directhex, smarty annoys the life out of me, i'm going to try and get rid of it this year
[10:45] <AdvoWork> it makes quite a difference in page loading too sometimes.
[10:46] <AdvoWork> out of interest, do you all have regular meetings?
[10:46] <jacobw> domain language of php?
[10:46] <jacobw> !meetings
[10:46] <directhex> AdvoWork, anyway, the links popey pasted are surprisingly good. i guess the key thing to do is find a niche that interests, and maybe even excites, you. you're not going to be a good contributor on things you don't care much about, since it feels too much like "work"
[10:46] <directhex> AdvoWork, what motivates is benefiting yourself from your efforts, and seeing your improvements in visible ways
[10:48] <AdvoWork> yeah, i'll have a bit of a browse and see what I can help with. I've been to one meeting/conference(last year) i think, in London, but cant remember who was doing it now
[10:54] <AlanBell> AdvoWork: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/
[10:56] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod what phone you got kidda
[11:02] <jacobw> the famous barbecue :)
[11:02] <AlanBell> jacobw: starting to get slightly concerned about the weather now
[11:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: galaxy nexus
[11:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: and how is jelly bean, and keep mentioning on twitter I want to see if fab explodes :D
[11:04]  * MartijnVdS loves jelly bean
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> \o/ galaxy nexus
[11:04]  * MartijnVdS is waiting for 4.1 on Xoom
[11:04] <Myrtti> jellyben ♥
[11:04] <brobostigon> :)
[11:04] <Myrtti> bean, even
[11:05] <czajkowski> davmor2: whats up with him ?
[11:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: see twitter he is saying things like ICS is the new JB
[11:07] <czajkowski> meh
[11:07] <czajkowski> for sanity sake I dont follow him :)
[12:02]  * AlanBell wonders whether to renew givehugs.net
[12:02]  * christel gives hugs to AlanBell 
[12:03] <AlanBell> was going to be a like/+1 button thingie, but less evil (or run for my own evil benefit rather than an evil corporation)
[12:03] <AlanBell> so on a blog post or whatever you could add a hug button along with the G+/Tweet/reddit stuff
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> popey, AlanBell, Laney: You can now move your G+ contacts to another account!
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> Log in with  the "unwanted" account on google.com/takeout
[12:04] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I'm waiting for the promised ICS still but if I get JB in the meant ime I'll be more than happy :)
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> and you can select it
[12:05] <Laney> MartijnVdS: ah, nice
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: On which device?
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> Laney, popey: https://plus.google.com/117826731803569547326/posts/5EXAuM3QJrP
[12:06] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Xoom
[12:07] <Laney> There's a 7 day waiting period before your transfer begins.
[12:07] <Laney> yah boo
[12:08] <Laney> would be nice if it took content too I guess, but still good
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ah, still no ICS on yours? Time to flash one of the factory images :)
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/1586-stock-images/
[12:11] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: still under Warranty so I'll upgrade with official but thanks :)
[12:12] <AdvoWork> is this down for anyone else? or is there a different page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers
[12:13] <diplo> Just jumped on a customers server because it wasn't doing an update to their site
[12:13] <diplo> Rogue process been using 90% cpu since may 10th
[12:13] <diplo> and no one has complained!
[12:14] <diplo> the link redirects yes AdvoWork
[12:14] <diplo> ymm no it doesn't
[12:15]  * diplo sets /ignore diplo
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: _if_ it ever comes :)
[12:17] <oimon> i wanna buy a tiny hand drill than takes really small drill bits, like this - what would it be called?
[12:17] <oimon> http://www.newmodellersshop.co.uk/images/expo_tools/750-10.jpg
[12:18] <jacobw> oimon: what's the dimensions of that grid?
[12:18] <oimon> probably the length is 4 inches for the hand drill
[12:18] <oimon> apparently it's a revolving top pin vice
[12:19] <directhex> was about to say, looks like a pin vice to me
[12:19] <oimon> i need it for modelling
[12:19] <directhex> i sold one recently on ebay
[12:19] <oimon> :(
[12:19] <It> net
[12:19] <directhex> http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat470006a&prodId=prod1095460 ?
[12:20] <oimon> my copy to usb stick has taken 1hr so far...1 hr to go
[12:20] <oimon> :-\
[12:23] <oimon> directhex, do you make models?
[12:24] <directhex> oimon, not for more than a decade now
[12:32] <oimon> when i put the laptop down and do some modelling i always wonder why i don't prioritise it , it's very de-stressing
[12:40] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: well yes
[12:53]  * bigcalm returns
[12:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: Hey dude, have you seen JB on you sgs3?
[12:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: should I be expecting it?
[12:55] <bigcalm> I don't actually know how to check for updates on this handset :D
[12:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I just wondered if you'd done a search and seen a video :D
[12:56] <Twinkletoes> Is there any reason my 10.04 LTS isn't detecting that 12.04 is out?  the setting on Update Manager is set to "Prompt=lts"
[12:56] <bigcalm> Twinkletoes: yes, it'll be available once 12.04.1 is released
[12:56] <Twinkletoes> bigcalm: Ah, ok - thank you :)
[12:57] <bigcalm> Twinkletoes: which I was expecting 1st July. So I don't know what's the state of play
[12:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: Not looked. It any good?
[12:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't know that's why I thought I'd ask you, you spanner :)
[12:58] <bigcalm> :P
[12:58] <bigcalm> 4 hours until I'm on holiday for a week
[12:59]  * bigcalm tries to contain his excitement
[13:00] <davmor2> and fails
[13:00] <bigcalm> Are you sure?
[13:01] <davmor2> I think that was you about as excited as you get, so yes I'm sure :P
[13:01] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:01] <bigcalm> You know the reasons
[13:02]  * bigcalm picks up Learning Python for some light afternoon reading
[13:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: have a look at this instead http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/  loads of code snippets with pretty good explanations on what and how it works (it might help you more than just a book
[13:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: ta
[13:05] <davmor2> )
[13:15] <christel> bigcalm: PANIC OVER
[13:15] <christel> i found my tickets
[13:16] <bigcalm> Yippie :D
[13:16] <bigcalm> christel: prepared to be tickled!
[13:16] <christel> woop
[13:20] <DJones> AlanBell: Any interest? http://www.thevarguy.com/2012/07/13/selling-linux-pcs-to-senior-citizens-the-wow-computer/
[13:22] <davmor2> this is a class tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9OsdvZu-I8&feature=related and popey it from the 90's :D
[13:23] <davmor2> christel: he said tickled not do an impression of zoidburg :D
[13:23] <christel> haha
[13:28] <diplo> Class is a bit strong davmor2 :P
[13:34] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: wubwubwubwub!
[13:37] <davmor2> see now MartijnVdS has turned into Zoidburg
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> People know my name!
[13:47] <jacobw> bigcalm: check out http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596515829.do and http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596516499.do for ways of learning python whilst learning something else
[13:49] <bigcalm> Interesting
[13:55] <bigcalm> I can do hello world in python now
[13:55] <bigcalm> What more do I need?
[13:56] <mattt> bigcalm: what about herro world?
[13:56] <bigcalm> :O
[13:57] <bigcalm> You have turned my world upside down
[13:57] <mattt> my work is done
[13:57]  * mattt is afk
[13:58] <jacobw> tip: don't write python code with python3 features and expect it with on lucid
[13:58] <jacobw> work with lucid even
[13:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: use QT and do it in a gui
[13:59] <bigcalm> So print, not print() ?
[13:59] <ali1234> print() always works
[13:59] <ali1234> due to the way tuples are parsed
[13:59] <ali1234> it might not have the same results but it won't crash
[13:59] <bigcalm> I still can't get my head around the lack of ; at the end of statements
[13:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: print('moo') iirc is the way it will work in python3
[14:01] <jacobw> print "{object} does {subject}".format(object=name,subject=thing)
[14:01] <jacobw> labels in {} within strings can be replaced with variables using string.format()
[14:01] <bigcalm> Fun
[14:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: it could be worse you could be looking at perl :D
[14:03] <bigcalm> I know perl
[14:03] <bigcalm> Or used to
[14:03] <ali1234> the problem with perl is everybody knows a slightly different dialect
[14:04] <jacobw> features like dictionary comprehension and list comprehensions make python awesome
[14:05] <ali1234> yeah
[14:05] <Azelphur> Hmm, conky has a variable called wireless_link_qual, it shows a number saying what my signal quality is, currently it's 69/70. What unit would that be in?
[14:05] <ali1234> but those are just nice syntax for common design patterns
[14:05] <ali1234> which is the way it should be
[14:06] <ali1234> Azelphur: "qualities"
[14:06] <Azelphur> haha
[14:07] <ali1234> anyway you answered your own question
[14:07] <ali1234> it's 69/70
[14:07] <Azelphur> yea but 69/70 what, dBm?
[14:07] <ali1234> no
[14:07] <Azelphur> %?
[14:07] <ali1234> it's unitless
[14:07] <ali1234> it's not percent either
[14:07] <Azelphur> you can't have a unitless measurement
[14:07] <Azelphur> that's madness
[14:07] <ali1234> if it was 69/100 it would be percent
[14:08] <ali1234> it's 69/70 so it's per-seventy
[14:08] <Azelphur> sorry, I meant it hovers between 69 and 70
[14:08] <Azelphur> I'll go with percent
[14:09] <ali1234> the real answer is every wireless chipset uses a different unit
[14:09] <ali1234> so there's no way of knowing
[14:09] <Azelphur> fun
[14:10] <davmor2> Azelphur: All you need to know is it's one less than 71 :D
[14:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:12] <jacobw> you could add another line of code to make it a percent
[14:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: aha, it is in magical pony units, It has a wireless_link_qual_max variable too
[14:13] <Darael> Azelphur: of course you can have unitless measurements.  Boson numbers, strangeness...
[14:13] <Azelphur> but it also has wireless_link_qual_perc, so I'll use that instead
[14:24] <jacobw> i'm looking for offline games for ubuntu to play this weekend
[14:24] <jacobw> i have roughly an hour to download thing before i head home
[14:25] <bigcalm> 2.5 hoursish until holiday \o/
[14:25] <jacobw> i already have warzone 2100
[14:25]  * jacobw mails bigcalm a real live python for his return
[14:26] <bigcalm> Hah
[14:45] <diplo> Me being all pompous and saying o2 hadn't affected me yesterday
[14:45] <diplo> Well I now can't send txts or calls
[14:46] <diplo> yet all says ok
[14:46] <diplo> :(
[14:56] <bigcalm> Does rebooting the phone help?
[14:56] <bigcalm> Or turning off radio and back on again
[14:57] <diplo> Nope and nope
[14:57] <diplo> :/
[14:57] <diplo> Turned to 2g only as well
[14:57] <bigcalm> Silly o2
[14:57] <diplo> yer :(
[14:58] <diplo> mate just text me to test, so can defo receive them
[15:02] <diplo> Hmm, maybe my fault
[15:02] <diplo> :P
[15:04] <diplo> Defo was my fault, I really shouldn't have got out of bed this morning
[15:06] <bigcalm> 1 hour, 54 mins
[15:07] <diplo> 54mins...
[15:08]  * jacobw is on CEST
[15:08] <jacobw> \o/
[15:10] <bigcalm> Darn you all
[15:12] <diplo> Why the work so late bigcalm ?
[15:13] <bigcalm> diplo: it's my contracted hours
[15:13] <diplo> 9-6 ?
[15:13] <bigcalm> Yep
[15:15] <diplo> Benefit of getting up later though
[15:17] <bigcalm> I took Hayley into work today. Need to remember to go and pick her up later :)
[15:17] <diplo> heh
[15:17] <bigcalm> Somebody kick me out at 6pm please?
[15:18] <diplo> I forgot my kids school meeting, work been so manic. Lucky the ex wife text me to say what room it was in so jogged my memory
[15:24] <bigcalm> Just used s-voice to set a reminder for 18:00
[15:24] <bigcalm> That was far more trouble than I'm sure it was worth
[15:30] <bigcalm> Would love this RSI in my mouse hand to go away
[15:30] <bigcalm> I hope it doesn't effect my ability to hold pints of ale tomorrow
[15:31] <jacobw> i sampled a litre of beer a few weeks ago
[15:31] <jacobw> it is with shame that i say it was physically difficult to lift
[15:31] <bigcalm> Quite a sample
[15:32] <bigcalm> A litre is less than 2 pints
[15:32]  * jacobw is not macho
[15:32] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:32] <bigcalm> Or bad style of glass
[15:32] <jacobw> i think the glass was about twice as thick as a british pint glass
[15:34] <bigcalm> When going to a new pub, I insist on having a handled mug. They slowly learn to give me one without asking
[15:34] <bigcalm> Good training for drinking proper pints ;)
[15:35] <jacobw> hehe
[15:38] <bigcalm> Aha. I think the RSI is from trying to play Bit.trip runner
[15:38]  * bigcalm tinkers with Bastion for a bit instead
[15:39]  * jacobw → home
[15:41] <popey> bigcalm, good luck getting a handled mug on the beer train :)
[15:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Whose on the RAT tomorrow then?
[15:49] <AlanBell> me o/
[16:19] <christel> ME!
[16:20] <daubers> YOU!
[16:20]  * christel nods
[16:24] <bigcalm> Me
[16:25] <bigcalm> popey: ho hum :)
[16:25] <bigcalm> popey: will get me a RAT glass though
[17:05] <sebsebseb> hi
[17:08] <apacheuk> evening everyone
[17:09] <bigcalm> Morning
[17:12] <apacheuk> anyone have any experience with the application webcam???? am trying to make it ssh to my vps on a none standard port, my next step is to start banging my head against the wall
[17:14] <bigcalm> apacheuk: I'm using webcam, but not of a non-standard ssh port
[17:14] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matt Daubney] Home Sensing (what is your environment like?) - http://daubers.co.uk/2012/07/13/home-sensing-what-is-your-environment-like/
[17:15] <apacheuk> bigcalm: am thinking I'm going to have to move it back to the standard port in order to get it too work
[17:16] <bigcalm> apacheuk: I don't think you should have to. Try exporting an SSH variable before running webcam
[17:16] <bigcalm> apacheuk: I don't recall what the variable for port number is though
[17:18] <apacheuk> bigcalm: I have a config file in my .ssh dir to manage my various connections, how do you mean "Try exporting an SSH variable before running webcam"?
[17:20] <bigcalm> apacheuk: as in export SSH_PORT=12345;webcam
[17:20] <bigcalm> Or something
[17:20] <bigcalm> I don't know what the variable is or if it will work
[17:21] <apacheuk> bigcalm: ah OK, will give it a try
[17:33] <apacheuk> hmmm no luck, my only other option I guess is to save the image locally then schedule a cron job to upload the file via sftp
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: why the export?
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just "SSH_PORT=12345 webcam" should set the variable for just the program you're running
[18:17] <davmor2> MOOOOOOO!
[18:21] <Azelphur> Is there anything in /proc that can tell you how long till battery is charged / discharged?
[18:21] <Azelphur> conkies $battery is broked :(
[18:23] <Azelphur> oh wait it's not broke, just really really slow to update
[18:35] <dwatkins> cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state
[18:35] <dwatkins> that shows me some information about my battery, ymmv
[18:35] <dwatkins> Azelphur: I'm sure I can leave processing that as an excercise for the reader etc.
[18:38] <Azelphur> yea, ty
[18:38] <Azelphur> dwatkins: it doesn't have an ETA there
[18:41] <dwatkins> Azelphur: I suspect that's calculated by the battery widget using the information shown there
[18:41]  * Azelphur shrugs
[18:41] <Azelphur> conky has it, it's just that it updates really really slowly, I noticed that the battery update interval is 10 seconds, so maybe that's affecting conky. Wonder if I can turn that up a bi t:)
[18:46] <dwatkins> Do you need information on your battery more frequently than every 10 seconds?
[18:47] <Azelphur> dwatkins: yea, it bugs me with conky because it takes 10 seconds to change telling me it's no longer plugged in
[18:47] <Azelphur> I'd prefer 1 second, I imagine the affect on battery life for the polling would be minimal anyway
[19:03] <popey> AlanBell, have you planned your journey to/from the RAT?
[19:03] <popey> I have, as yet, not.
[19:03] <popey> wonder if i can get back to ash vale, that's not far from home
[19:03] <dwatkins> Azelphur: ah I see what you mean, I would have expected that kind of state change to happen straightaway, like with an interrupt.
[19:04] <popey> ooh, alton -> brookwood, brookwood -> farnborough might be a winner
[19:04] <Azelphur> dwatkins: yea, ACPI kicks in and changes that it's running on battery power, but I have a "{time} until {dis}charged" line
[19:05] <Azelphur> so if you plug it in the (dis)charged switches straight away, and the time stays still for ~10 seconds
[19:34] <ali1234> "even a few rookie developers can at least make the virtual wallet more secure than a physical wallet" HAHAHAHAHA, oh wow, slashdot
[19:34] <Azelphur> oh dear
[19:34] <Azelphur> that's a recipe for disaster.
[19:36] <ali1234> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2977669&cid=40641157
[19:36] <ali1234> actually the whole comment is comedy gold
[19:36] <ali1234> "you could literally have a new one downloaded the same day"
[19:37] <ali1234> --- OR you can wait for 3 weeks while the bank does a security audit during which time your account is locked
[19:37] <Azelphur> clearly someone never taught that guy not to put all your eggs into one basket
[19:37] <ali1234> this is the kind of naivety that caused the bitcoin bubble
[19:38] <ali1234> it doesn't surprise me that slashdot, which hates bitcoin, has failed to learn any of the lessons from it
[19:38] <dwatkins> a credit card downloaded to your app... what could go wrong?
[19:38] <dwatkins> Daisy, daisy....
[19:41] <Azelphur> can anyone who is fancy with awk parse the output to xrandr to just show the current resolution?
[19:42] <ali1234> xrandr | grep \*
[19:44] <Azelphur> ali1234: almost, that gets the whole line :P
[19:44] <ali1234> lines
[19:44] <ali1234> if you have two monitors
[19:44] <Azelphur> this is for a netbook, so only one monitor
[19:45] <Azelphur> and I just want the resolution, eg 1366x768
[19:45] <dwatkins> xrandr -display :0 | grep \* | cut -f4 -d' '
[19:46] <Azelphur> ty :)
[19:46] <dwatkins> remove the -display 0 if you're not doing it via a remote login.
[19:46] <dwatkins> Sorry, but I couldn't be bothered to get up and walk over to the netbook ;)
[19:46] <Azelphur> haha
[19:47] <dwatkins> I'm not sure that's the best way, but it worked for me on 11.04, you may find a better and less error-prone way to parse it, I got that with a bit of trial-and-error.
[19:47] <dwatkins> (and ali1234's rather useful suggestion)
[19:47] <ali1234> just use xinerama api
[19:47] <ali1234> XineramaQueryScreens
[19:48] <ali1234> that's the best way to get the real setup of the display
[19:48] <Azelphur> ali1234: this is for conky lol
[19:49] <dwatkins> Azelphur: are you putting the result in a file or querying it every 10 seconds?
[19:50] <Azelphur> querying it
[21:00] <directhex> if anyone cares (e.g. diplo), il-2 is 50% off on gog.com
[21:09] <popey> what's il-2?
[21:09] <popey> oh, found it
[21:10] <popey> http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/il_2_sturmovik_1946
[21:10] <hamitron> I still not tried that since getting it before xmas
[21:15] <Azelphur> is there a way to set the unity launcher color?
[21:17] <czajkowski> popey: know if anyone else wants to go to RAT tomorrow?
[21:18] <ahayzen> Azelphur: You can in CCSM
[21:18] <Azelphur> ahayzen: ah, ty
[21:19] <ahayzen> Azelphur, Ubuntu unity plugin -> Experimental -> background color (make sure you change the opacity)
[21:19] <Azelphur> yea, found it :)
[21:19] <ahayzen> yey :)
[21:19] <popey> czajkowski, not off the top of my head, wonder if I could convince wifey to go
[21:20] <czajkowski> popey: jon has my ticket spare
[21:21] <Azelphur> ahayzen: hmm this doesn't seem to work, I've set the opacity everywhere to zero, and yet I still have a faint blue background
[21:21] <ahayzen> i set opacity to 255
[21:22] <Azelphur> ahayzen: if I do that then it totally trips out, the bar goes transparent and all the icons go solid black
[21:22] <ahayzen> blimey
[21:23] <ahayzen> guess that is why it is under experimental?
[21:23] <Azelphur> lmao, that's a bug
[21:23] <Azelphur> if I set it to #000001 it's fine
[21:23] <Azelphur> it's only if you go total black that it freaks out
[21:24] <ahayzen> yep same... total black #000000 with opacity 255 causes odd behaviour
[21:24] <Azelphur> fun
[21:26] <Azelphur> the dash home button seems to have a blue background too, dunno where it got that from
[21:26] <ahayzen> yh i noticed that...you should probably report a bug about this... unless there is one already
[21:26] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:28] <czajkowski> where did popey go
[21:34]  * bigcalm peeks in
[21:34]  * Azelphur peeks out
[22:05] <bigcalm> Doh
[22:05] <bigcalm> Was just heading off to pack
[22:06] <bigcalm> Guess I can do both
[22:06] <bigcalm> popey: anything for me to test? :)
[22:07] <popey> no :(
[22:07] <popey> well, maybe
[22:07] <popey> yes
[22:07] <popey> added a little debugging
[22:08] <bigcalm> Ah, debugging is good
[22:09]  * popey builds a deb
[22:09] <bigcalm> I think you enjoy doing that now you know how
[22:09] <popey> i do
[22:13] <Azelphur> Just finished the new conky layout for my netbook, think it came out good :D https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/July/2012-07-13-230914_1366x768_scrot.png
[22:14] <popey> nice
[22:14] <popey> how often does the screen update?
[22:15] <Azelphur> popey: conky updates every second
[22:18] <bigcalm> Going away from home for 4 days. Do I need a tablet as well as a laptop?
[22:19] <Azelphur> bigcalm: get the same netbook I have > no need to decide
[22:19] <bigcalm> Netbooks don't have the umf I need
[22:19]  * Azelphur shrugs
[22:19] <bigcalm> And that doesn't answer the question for what I'm packing right now :)
[22:20]  * bigcalm packs the Xoom
[22:20] <Azelphur> I generally take every piece of tech I can carry :P
[22:20] <bigcalm> I shall only take my phone on the train though
[22:20] <bigcalm> popey: bringing any tablets? :P
[22:20] <popey> haha, no
[22:21] <bigcalm> Good!
[23:06] <christel> AlanBell, popey (et al): pre-RAT burgers @ 4pm at The Mulberry <3
[23:06] <popey> yay
[23:06] <popey> mmmm burger
[23:07] <bigcalm> 18:26 train from Farnham arrives in Alton at 18:39. RAT leaves Alton at 19:20, don't miss it :)
[23:07] <popey> \o/
[23:08]  * popey goes to prepare by sleeping
[23:08] <popey> nn all
[23:08] <bigcalm> I'm too excited to sleep
[23:08] <bigcalm> But will try anyway
[23:08] <bigcalm> Long drive in the morning
[23:09] <bigcalm> Good night peeps :)
[23:09] <popey> nn