[01:09] ${execgraph echo 100} "your exec value is not between 0 and 100" [01:09] * Azelphur stabs conky in the face [04:54] poor conky [06:56] Morning all [06:56] Morning [07:14] morning [07:25] good morning :) [07:58] morning morning [08:04] Good morning peeps :) [08:08] bleugh [08:09] * bigcalm tickles czajkowski [08:09] I wouldnt if I were you [08:10] morning [08:10] \o [08:11] What a great week, only another few hours till it's over [08:11] :( [08:12] czajkowski: would you prefer a poke? === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:13] 24 hours (I hope) until we set off for Farnham [08:13] * czajkowski would like to curl up and sleep [08:13] * czajkowski wont be making it to RAT either [08:13] popey: I hope there will be better weather for our arrival [08:13] been sick most of this week [08:13] :( [08:13] and feel like utter crap [08:14] czajkowski: that's not fair :( [08:14] indeed [08:14] my ears are popping today it's just been one long wek of feeling ill [08:14] I need this week to be over [08:15] Have you worked instead of recovering? [08:15] Not sure how many game people are in here, but Steam Summer sale, anyone recommend a game like BattleField2 where you can wander around rather than follow a story line [08:16] It's prolonged my colds before now. These days I listen to Hayley when she tells me to stay in bed and not work [08:16] Like cod etc but just want to jump in and out of a game and just about worn bf2 out [08:16] * popey points diplo at gord [08:16] diplo: I think directhex knows all [08:16] and directhex :) [08:16] bigcalm: I do that, always work through illness :/ [08:16] Stupid [08:17] ta, you have both mentioned them now, I'll await [08:17] Heh [08:17] I used to game 8-10 hours a day, but since kids pretty much stopped.. just trying to find something to do in the evenings except the telly [08:17] So got old gaming PC out [08:17] diplo, code :) [08:18] Heh [08:18] I code all day :/ [08:18] i have stopped playing minecraft until I finish a couple of coding projects [08:18] for last 2 years I barely go on my PC at night as I felt like I hated it :) [08:18] Yeah, that does put a dampener on ones will to code for fun [08:18] I've still never played minecraft :) [08:18] diplo: give it a go? [08:19] popey: but will either ever be 'finished'? [08:19] yes [08:19] oh, you mean minecraft? :) [08:19] * czajkowski has never played minecraft [08:19] Heh [08:19] I figure this is good or I'd be addicted [08:20] tbh trublr just needs a little bit of work [08:20] not much :) [08:20] That's the thing with minecraft, worried I won't get away from it [08:21] The addiction fades [08:21] diplo, ARMA2 i guess, or maybe battlefield 3 [08:21] why is my coffee and toast taking so long to arrive! [08:22] popey: because you haven't bribed your children enough [08:22] popey: they need more training [08:22] i think its because i muted wifes phone [08:22] so now she doesn't hear the facebook pings from me [08:22] Haha [08:23] You requested breakfast via Facebook? [08:23] gord: Is BF3 like BF2 but just newer ? IE Gameplay [08:23] I've got arma but seemed to fail to get into it, may try again [08:23] not really, its more like call of duty. but still has planes and jets [08:23] can you free play though ? [08:23] er helis and jets [08:24] what do you mean by free play [08:24] wander around like GTA3 [08:24] but you couldn't do that in bf2 ;) not without getting shot in the face [08:25] heh, I just like i could go in bf2 on a big map and not follow a story line, just play against bots [08:26] ah okay, no, you can do that in ARMA2, but in bf3 its vs online people or story [08:26] Sounds like IRC to me [08:26] but the online is very well done [08:26] yeah not sure I want to play online anymore, worried I'll get addicted to it again :D [08:26] hl2 dm :D [08:26] Used to play *alot* [08:27] diplo: you played gord? [08:27] Oh, wrong spelling :) [08:27] I played gord in a sitcom once. [08:27] In original cod, top ten people on global stats, 6 of those were from my clan [08:28] and dod we were fairly high up, then we all either grew up / had kids / got married :/ [08:29] Time and life are vicious [08:29] * bigcalm looks down at his beer belly [08:29] sounds like you had a lot of fun, sounds like rekindling that would be a lot of fun too [08:30] yeah miss it, used to go to the Multiplay Lans down in newbury for many years [08:30] Lot's of beer and gaming [08:32] christel: have you found your RAT tickets yet? [08:35] \o/ coffee and toast arrive! [08:35] It's a kind of magic [08:35] indeed [08:35] I doubt it will work for me though [08:39] bigcalm: i have not yet looked [08:42] * bigcalm tickles christel into action [08:49] someone rang? diplo? [08:49] Good morning all! Happy Friday the 13th! >:-) [08:51] Just talking about games directhex [08:51] ah, my specialty [08:51] Wondering if anyone can recommend a BF2 esq style one where you can wander around [08:52] Don't want a story line [08:52] multiplayer? [08:52] gord has mentioned ARMA, single player preferably so i can switch on and off at will when kids are about [08:52] Everything seems to be story line now, and not bots you can play against [08:53] i can see why he'd recommend ARMA. it's a reasonable option [08:53] it's not really a genre i engage in. i love stories [08:53] I've got a version at home, probably bought 3 year or so ago [08:54] I liked the cod stories tbh, first time I'd ever completed a game from start to finish [08:54] good morning everyone. [08:54] But stopped playing after Modern Warfare [08:55] MW3 is on sale :D [08:55] i wonder how you'd do with STALKER. it's got a storyline. on paper. but it's far too freeform for my tastes [08:55] Hmm, I've head of that [08:55] heard* [08:55] I'll take a look ta [08:57] Robocod? [08:57] and, traditionally, operation flashpoint is The(tm) series for this stuff. but maybe i'm showing my age [08:58] yeah used to play that a long time ago, but one version i tried i just couldn't get into [09:17] hrm, sent a cancellation request to my ISP so i can switch to fibre, now i'm getting terrible internet. i'm overly suspicious! [09:18] you going FTTC? [09:18] yeah, quoted 80mbit, we'll see [09:18] infinity or whatever its called? [09:18] golly [09:18] zen, infinity reseller [09:19] my virgin cable is supposed to go from 30 to 60 "sometime between october and july next year" [09:20] the > 100mbit fibre stuff should start rolling out next year i think, but that means upgrading my network from 100 -> 1000mbit :(... and i don't need that much bandwidth either [09:20] in libreoffice calc, how do i stop autocomplete in a cell? i am typing cheese but don't want cheeseburger to appear when i press return after typing cheese [09:20] my workaround is to press space after and delete the space [09:20] but i want better [09:27] Good afternoon :) [09:28] talking of games (directhex, gord) anyone know of a good WWII dogfight game on any platform? [09:28] oimon, il2 sturmovic is the best regarded for that iirc [09:28] my fave game of yore was chocks away [09:28] yes get il2 [09:28] but only if you have a joystick [09:28] i played il2 on xbox 360 but didn't seem to have that wow factor :-\ [09:28] its not the same game [09:28] how about if i plug a ps2 controller into pc? [09:28] il2 sturmovic on pc is amazing [09:29] no, get a joystick [09:29] sorry, you want a dogfighting game with a joypad? that's not a dogfighting game, it's an arcade shooter [09:29] you need a joystick the size of a house, with full manual throttle [09:30] here is a great lp of sturmovik, it should convince you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3nY-1ShU80&list=PLCA1B7F12E836EC5D&index=2&feature=plpp_video [09:30] which version of il2 on pc? [09:30] oimon: http://www.gog.com/gamecard/il_2_sturmovik_1946 this one [09:30] * BigRedS loves his il2 [09:30] On the subject of games, I was happy to see that Heroes of Newearth have a Linux client.. Even if League of Legends doesn't :( [09:30] though I've been missing it recently. Doesn't want to work either on my Ubuntu or Wintendo 7 installs :( [09:31] does it work on wine perchance? [09:31] gord, ? [09:31] no idea, i play it on my windows 7 machine [09:31] ah gameOS [09:31] i would guess it does though, it has an opengl mode and is old and popular enough [09:32] just flicked through the youtube vids and didn't see any planes :P [09:33] well not if you flick through ;P head to the russian campaign he did for more great action [09:33] ah, found the 58 planes combat one [09:33] That game would work fine using WINE (http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1838) [09:36] wish i was near farnborough this week [09:36] like seeing the old planes [09:37] thanks for advice chaps, think i will invest in il2 then [09:38] gord: I've got it working before, but it doesn't appear to OOTB on Precise [09:39] I've put precisely zero effort in to troubleshooting it though [09:40] oimon, its overrated [09:40] popey, my dad lives in farnham, it's quite cool to be in the garden on a sunny day when a lanc flies over though [09:40] the traffic is terrible though [09:41] i'm still a child when a jet flies overhead, i run out of the house [09:42] yeah, every time I leave London on the M4, M11 or M23 there's a good chance I'll ride into something 'cause I'm watching a 737 or something overhead... [09:44] Hmm Il2 Sturm, I have that... [09:44] diplo, you like? [09:45] yeah think I did, not played it in a long time [09:45] Might dig that as well [09:45] probably easier than spinning up an archimedes emulator for chocks away to discover the graphis and gameplay are better in my memories [09:47] heh. hate it when that happens [09:47] happy to say super metroid is as wonderful today as it was in the 90's though <3 [09:49] il2 is on offer from steam..£6.69 - do steam games come with drm? [09:49] i.e. can i copy it from a win box running steam client to a linux box [09:50] steam itself is technically a DRM platform [09:50] games may optionally include a second, thicker layer of DRM (e.g. recent ubisoft games with their always-on nonsense) [09:51] oimon: you can install steam under wine [09:51] but otherwise, no. I think steam games are pretty dependent on several steam libraries [09:51] meh [09:51] I only tried it a couple of times before just installing steam in wine [09:51] does that work as expected? [09:51] With games I have a very low arsedness threshold. If it's too much like work to get them going I just do some work and get paid for it instead [09:52] i noticed there's another il2 game released: cliffs of dover [09:52] last year [09:52] yeah, it was pretty good. I only played HL2, though, not IL2 [09:52] My IL2 is a non-steam CD [09:54] it depends on the game, FWIW, as to how tightly the steamclient.dll dependency is coded in [09:54] some games basically don't require it at all (old DOS games bundled with dosbox, mainly) [09:54] if the game has achievements, it has tighter coupling, for obvious raisins [09:55] or cloud saves [09:55] obvious raisins? I do not like those [09:56] thoigh they're better than ones that're sneakily hidden in cake. Those are the worst [09:56] But, anyway, IL2 doesn't integrate into steam at all, so you might be okay [09:57] sounds like a lot of if buts and maybes. [09:57] maybe i should buy the DVD of the game @4.45 :-\ [10:03] oimon, but then you'd have to wait, like some kind of webless savage [10:04] i'm a daddy, i think i'll prob have to wait for a wek before i get an hour to play it [10:04] ah, my wiff is out for 1 hr tonight.hmmm [10:04] probably take more than that to configure in wine :-\ [10:11] i get to play games every 3 hours! [10:12] every 3 hours ? [10:12] yes! [10:12] well, about 3.5 at the moment [10:13] nice [10:15] i've recently come back to firefox, is there a way to see what tab is killing my cpu? [10:18] its the one with twitter in it [10:19] heh or G+ [10:19] But I've just downloaded opera and I must say first time I've used it in years and it's quick [10:24] looks like it was a dead facebook went wrong tab [10:24] on FB whilst at work! [10:24] :P [10:25] "on FB" means having a tab open, then yes :D [10:26] turns out there's lots of mods and maps for il2 too .. [10:26] ooh, my joystick is about as old as old :) [10:26] serial to usb convertor on it [10:27] ._. [10:27] serial or MIDI? [10:29] not sure tbh, not used in a long time [10:29] but from what i remember of usb convertors it could be midi [10:29] * diplo googles [10:33] Still none the wiser, but from memory it worked before [10:33] how do joysticks/gamepads work with wine? is it decided by the game? [10:33] Hi there. I've decided its time to give something back to Ubuntu, where do I begin :p [10:33] only used one before with n64 emulator, and that had an interface to config it [10:34] AdvoWork, what are your skills? [10:35] Morning all [10:35] !contribute [10:35] To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu [10:35] AdvoWork, ^^ [10:36] popey, translation is missing from that url [10:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Translation [10:36] Morning davmor2 [10:36] you're right about the first one tho [10:37] * popey files a bug [10:37] oh, directhex its under "non technical users" [10:37] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/non-technical-users [10:41] I really think my work is trying to make me get really peaved this week [10:41] php4 issues and now perl :( [10:42] directhex, erm, i know various distributions(ubuntu,centos,freebsd) various other things such as asterisk/trixbox/xen, coding wise (php/js/smarty/) apache and so forth. Some things better than others [10:42] morning [10:42] AdvoWork: packaging [10:43] what's smarty? [10:43] a templating system [10:43] it can be used for good or for evil [10:43] AdvoWork, bug fixing is useful, if occasionally tedious [10:43] we use smarty at work [10:43] for evil [10:43] we glued movable type into smarty [10:44] * AlanBell is trying to get some vtiger smarty stuff to not be broken right now [10:45] i might be biased, but i think making new mono-based games is obviously the most valuable thing one can do [10:45] directhex, smarty annoys the life out of me, i'm going to try and get rid of it this year [10:45] it makes quite a difference in page loading too sometimes. [10:46] out of interest, do you all have regular meetings? [10:46] domain language of php? [10:46] !meetings [10:46] Team meetings are held in #ubuntu-meeting - See « /msg ubottu logs » for transcripts. [10:46] AdvoWork, anyway, the links popey pasted are surprisingly good. i guess the key thing to do is find a niche that interests, and maybe even excites, you. you're not going to be a good contributor on things you don't care much about, since it feels too much like "work" [10:46] AdvoWork, what motivates is benefiting yourself from your efforts, and seeing your improvements in visible ways [10:48] yeah, i'll have a bit of a browse and see what I can help with. I've been to one meeting/conference(last year) i think, in London, but cant remember who was doing it now [10:54] AdvoWork: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/ [10:56] czajkowski: prod what phone you got kidda [11:02] the famous barbecue :) [11:02] jacobw: starting to get slightly concerned about the weather now [11:03] davmor2: galaxy nexus [11:03] czajkowski: and how is jelly bean, and keep mentioning on twitter I want to see if fab explodes :D [11:04] * MartijnVdS loves jelly bean [11:04] \o/ galaxy nexus [11:04] * MartijnVdS is waiting for 4.1 on Xoom [11:04] jellyben ♥ [11:04] :) [11:04] bean, even [11:05] davmor2: whats up with him ? [11:05] czajkowski: see twitter he is saying things like ICS is the new JB [11:07] meh [11:07] for sanity sake I dont follow him :) [12:02] * AlanBell wonders whether to renew givehugs.net [12:02] * christel gives hugs to AlanBell [12:03] was going to be a like/+1 button thingie, but less evil (or run for my own evil benefit rather than an evil corporation) [12:03] so on a blog post or whatever you could add a hug button along with the G+/Tweet/reddit stuff [12:04] popey, AlanBell, Laney: You can now move your G+ contacts to another account! [12:04] Log in with the "unwanted" account on google.com/takeout [12:04] MartijnVdS: I'm waiting for the promised ICS still but if I get JB in the meant ime I'll be more than happy :) [12:04] and you can select it [12:05] MartijnVdS: ah, nice [12:05] davmor2: On which device? [12:05] Laney, popey: https://plus.google.com/117826731803569547326/posts/5EXAuM3QJrP [12:06] MartijnVdS: Xoom [12:07] There's a 7 day waiting period before your transfer begins. [12:07] yah boo [12:08] would be nice if it took content too I guess, but still good [12:10] davmor2: ah, still no ICS on yours? Time to flash one of the factory images :) [12:11] davmor2: http://rootzwiki.com/topic/1586-stock-images/ [12:11] MartijnVdS: still under Warranty so I'll upgrade with official but thanks :) [12:12] is this down for anyone else? or is there a different page? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopers [12:13] Just jumped on a customers server because it wasn't doing an update to their site [12:13] Rogue process been using 90% cpu since may 10th [12:13] and no one has complained! [12:14] the link redirects yes AdvoWork [12:14] ymm no it doesn't [12:15] * diplo sets /ignore diplo [12:17] davmor2: _if_ it ever comes :) [12:17] i wanna buy a tiny hand drill than takes really small drill bits, like this - what would it be called? [12:17] http://www.newmodellersshop.co.uk/images/expo_tools/750-10.jpg [12:18] oimon: what's the dimensions of that grid? [12:18] probably the length is 4 inches for the hand drill [12:18] apparently it's a revolving top pin vice [12:19] was about to say, looks like a pin vice to me [12:19] i need it for modelling [12:19] i sold one recently on ebay [12:19] :( [12:19] net [12:19] http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat470006a&prodId=prod1095460 ? [12:20] my copy to usb stick has taken 1hr so far...1 hr to go [12:20] :-\ [12:23] directhex, do you make models? [12:24] oimon, not for more than a decade now [12:32] when i put the laptop down and do some modelling i always wonder why i don't prioritise it , it's very de-stressing [12:40] MartijnVdS: well yes [12:53] * bigcalm returns [12:54] bigcalm: Hey dude, have you seen JB on you sgs3? [12:54] davmor2: should I be expecting it? [12:55] I don't actually know how to check for updates on this handset :D [12:55] bigcalm: no I just wondered if you'd done a search and seen a video :D [12:56] Is there any reason my 10.04 LTS isn't detecting that 12.04 is out? the setting on Update Manager is set to "Prompt=lts" [12:56] Twinkletoes: yes, it'll be available once 12.04.1 is released [12:56] bigcalm: Ah, ok - thank you :) [12:57] Twinkletoes: which I was expecting 1st July. So I don't know what's the state of play [12:57] davmor2: Not looked. It any good? [12:58] bigcalm: I don't know that's why I thought I'd ask you, you spanner :) [12:58] :P [12:58] 4 hours until I'm on holiday for a week [12:59] * bigcalm tries to contain his excitement [13:00] and fails [13:00] Are you sure? [13:01] I think that was you about as excited as you get, so yes I'm sure :P [13:01] Heh [13:01] You know the reasons [13:02] * bigcalm picks up Learning Python for some light afternoon reading [13:04] bigcalm: have a look at this instead http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/ loads of code snippets with pretty good explanations on what and how it works (it might help you more than just a book [13:04] davmor2: ta [13:05] ) [13:15] bigcalm: PANIC OVER [13:15] i found my tickets [13:16] Yippie :D [13:16] christel: prepared to be tickled! [13:16] woop [13:20] AlanBell: Any interest? http://www.thevarguy.com/2012/07/13/selling-linux-pcs-to-senior-citizens-the-wow-computer/ [13:22] this is a class tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9OsdvZu-I8&feature=related and popey it from the 90's :D [13:23] christel: he said tickled not do an impression of zoidburg :D [13:23] haha [13:28] Class is a bit strong davmor2 :P [13:34] Heh [13:37] davmor2: wubwubwubwub! [13:37] see now MartijnVdS has turned into Zoidburg [13:41] People know my name! [13:47] bigcalm: check out http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596515829.do and http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596516499.do for ways of learning python whilst learning something else [13:49] Interesting [13:55] I can do hello world in python now [13:55] What more do I need? [13:56] bigcalm: what about herro world? [13:56] :O [13:57] You have turned my world upside down [13:57] my work is done [13:57] * mattt is afk [13:58] tip: don't write python code with python3 features and expect it with on lucid [13:58] work with lucid even [13:58] bigcalm: use QT and do it in a gui [13:59] So print, not print() ? [13:59] print() always works [13:59] due to the way tuples are parsed [13:59] it might not have the same results but it won't crash [13:59] I still can't get my head around the lack of ; at the end of statements [13:59] bigcalm: print('moo') iirc is the way it will work in python3 [14:01] print "{object} does {subject}".format(object=name,subject=thing) [14:01] labels in {} within strings can be replaced with variables using string.format() [14:01] Fun [14:02] bigcalm: it could be worse you could be looking at perl :D [14:03] I know perl [14:03] Or used to [14:03] the problem with perl is everybody knows a slightly different dialect [14:04] features like dictionary comprehension and list comprehensions make python awesome [14:05] yeah [14:05] Hmm, conky has a variable called wireless_link_qual, it shows a number saying what my signal quality is, currently it's 69/70. What unit would that be in? [14:05] but those are just nice syntax for common design patterns [14:05] which is the way it should be [14:06] Azelphur: "qualities" [14:06] haha [14:07] anyway you answered your own question [14:07] it's 69/70 [14:07] yea but 69/70 what, dBm? [14:07] no [14:07] %? [14:07] it's unitless [14:07] it's not percent either [14:07] you can't have a unitless measurement [14:07] that's madness [14:07] if it was 69/100 it would be percent [14:08] it's 69/70 so it's per-seventy [14:08] sorry, I meant it hovers between 69 and 70 [14:08] I'll go with percent [14:09] the real answer is every wireless chipset uses a different unit [14:09] so there's no way of knowing [14:09] fun [14:10] Azelphur: All you need to know is it's one less than 71 :D [14:10] hehe [14:12] you could add another line of code to make it a percent [14:13] ali1234: aha, it is in magical pony units, It has a wireless_link_qual_max variable too [14:13] Azelphur: of course you can have unitless measurements. Boson numbers, strangeness... [14:13] but it also has wireless_link_qual_perc, so I'll use that instead [14:24] i'm looking for offline games for ubuntu to play this weekend [14:24] i have roughly an hour to download thing before i head home [14:25] 2.5 hoursish until holiday \o/ [14:25] i already have warzone 2100 [14:25] * jacobw mails bigcalm a real live python for his return [14:26] Hah [14:45] Me being all pompous and saying o2 hadn't affected me yesterday [14:45]