[00:24] <rick_h_> http://goo.gl/Vz8PK
[00:24] <rick_h_> interesting read
[01:15] <jrwren> i like hte last few paragraphs on firewalls.
[01:15] <jrwren> application firewalls are useless junk.
[01:15] <jrwren> they exists so vendors can sell more firewalls.
[01:26] <snap-l> jrwren: eh? What do you mean by app firewalls?
[01:32] <jrwren> we need a firewall in front of every webserver
[01:32] <jrwren> that mentality is wrong.
[01:32] <jrwren> radware application firewalls
[01:32] <jrwren> baracuda
[01:33] <jrwren> so i mean web app firewall
[01:33] <jrwren> not app firewall like apparmor
[01:33] <jrwren> apparmor is actually pretty sweet.
[01:33] <snap-l> I was thinking something like iptables
[01:33] <snap-l> that's really the extent of what you need
[01:34] <snap-l> Having a separate hardware firewall in front of every box is wasteful
[01:35] <jrwren> right
[01:35] <jrwren> but dont tell a radware salesperson that
[01:36] <snap-l> I'll tell a salesperson that
[01:36] <jrwren> they'll scare a poor it manager into buying'
[01:36] <snap-l> it's their job to convince me otherwise.
[01:36] <snap-l> It's highly unlikely they will, though. ;)
[01:38]  * snap-l sees a promising career as a crankly old man in his future.
[01:47] <jrwren> you are smart though.
[01:48] <jrwren> lots of people buy those things because they aren't smart enough to learn or listen to truth
[01:59] <snap-l> They see it as an easy way out
[01:59] <snap-l> It's snake-oil
[02:04] <jrwren> yup
[02:04] <jrwren> "but we spent $1M on security to prevent this kind of thing"
[02:04] <jrwren> and then the C levels probably believe that shit.
[02:04] <jrwren> HA!
[02:07]  * snap-l just picked up Reinventing the Steel by Pantera
[02:07] <snap-l> Album is 12 years old
[02:08] <snap-l> but I had such a bad taste in my mouth from The Great Southern Trendkill, I avoided this album
[11:37] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:40] <shakes808> mornign
[11:40] <shakes808> morning
[12:07] <shakes808> Amazon has some free music. Not sure what they all are, but I got them. What the hell right?
[12:07] <shakes808>   http://www.amazon.com/s/qid=1342181060/ref=sr_grid_price?ie=UTF8&redirect=true&sort=price&rd=1&field-keywords=free&url=search-alias%3Ddigital-music     http://www.amazon.com/25-Songs-of-Summer-Explicit/dp/B008A5QBKU?tag=dealswoot-20
[12:09] <snap-l> Sometimes samplers are good
[12:09] <snap-l> I've found some bands from samplers.
[12:09] <shakes808> I think these are full songs
[12:09] <snap-l> They are
[12:09] <shakes808> ... Oh, you mean samplers as in compilations
[12:10] <snap-l> I mean samplers in the "here's a collection of somewhat-related music
[12:10] <snap-l> yeah
[12:10] <shakes808> gotcha
[12:10] <shakes808> Yeah, I found a lot of bands that way as well.
[12:10] <brousch> I let snap-l find all my new bands for me
[12:10] <shakes808> Warped Tour, OzzFest and the like
[12:10] <shakes808> haha
[12:11] <brousch> You laugh, but it's basically true
[12:12] <snap-l> tghank you
[12:12] <snap-l> I'm flattered. :)
[12:13] <brousch> On average I find 1 new band from every episode of omc
[12:14] <shakes808> You need to Carpe Diem. Coming from a person that was formally in a few bands, you need to go and find them. There is a considerable amount of bands that aren't discovered just quite yet that you should try to see. I hear that GR is a great place for metal bands and you aren't that far from Chicago :D
[12:14] <shakes808> If I lived in GR I would be in Chicago A LOT lol
[12:14] <shakes808> How long is that drive?
[12:15] <brousch> I don't have time to listen to the music I have now. I see no reason to go find more
[12:18] <shakes808> lol
[12:18] <shakes808> There is always a reason to find more music ;)
[12:19] <shakes808> My CD collection is comprised of over 1000 CD and a few hundred-ish tapes. Not including what I had downloaded throughout the years from Napster and the like. Also sharing between my friends. I make it a point to rotate my songs :D
[12:34] <rick_h_> TGIF
[12:55] <brousch> rick_h_: Is your new toy coming today?
[12:55] <rick_h_> brousch: no, no word on shipping yet :(
[12:55] <rick_h_> looking like something went boom and it got bumped to next week, but we'll see
[12:55] <brousch> Hm, some people have been getting them
[12:56] <rick_h_> in that case I pissed as I reserved mine the first day on the 27th
[13:04] <snap-l> rick_h_: When is it supposed to arrive? (This is which toy?)
[13:05] <rick_h_> The Nexus 7 I pre-ordered
[13:05] <rick_h_> supposedly they're were supposed to be shipping the 12th
[13:06] <rick_h_> but stores are being asked to hold them back and something is going on with it
[13:06] <snap-l> You know exactly when it'll be released...
[13:06] <snap-l> ... Friday before PyOhio
[13:06] <rick_h_> lol
[13:07] <brousch> TIL you can make a proper apk package with SL4A. More fun for my talk.
[13:07] <snap-l> ENNie award nominations are out
[13:07] <snap-l> http://www.enworld.org/forum/news/326444-announcing-2012-gen-con-en-world-rpg-awards-nominees.html
[13:08] <snap-l> Kind of cool to see some stuff I like on that list.
[13:51] <jrwren> i almost asked what a apk package is :)
[13:53] <brousch> :P
[14:11] <brousch> You're welcome! http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2012/07/report_little_west_michigan_de.html
[14:11] <PainBank> question, does ubuntu come with the AIR runtime?
[14:13] <brousch> Adobe discontinued AIR for Linux
[14:14] <brousch> That was about 1 year ago, so any version of AIR is going to be old and crusty
[14:19] <PainBank> OR if Canonical wanted to, they could pay one of Adobe's partners to update that runtime, but it will always cost something, which isn't being done.  to no one's surprise here.
[14:19] <PainBank> thanks.
[14:21] <brousch> I say let AIR die, and Flash
[14:28] <snap-l> http://superuser.com/questions/447483/why-is-the-internet-said-to-be-an-untrusted-network
[14:28] <snap-l> PainBank: AIR is essentially DOA.
[14:29] <snap-l> I wouldn't do any new development for AIR
[14:29] <PainBank> I would agree with you snap-l although there is still a lot of momentum out there pushing it.  I wish it was DOA.
[14:29] <snap-l> PainBank: In what circles? Even the Twitterverse abandoned it. ;)
[14:30] <Milyardo> Dolphins aren't fish. Deceptive bastards.
[14:30] <PainBank> in the Adobe developer circles.
[14:30] <brousch> The only place I've seen it in the last year is a GUI app from a local company for Compass/SASS
[14:30] <snap-l> PainBank: Ah, there's your problem
[14:31] <PainBank> I know, I know.  I didn't hire the guy.
[14:31] <PainBank> :)
[14:31] <snap-l> PainBank: Once you get out of the dope smokers, you'll realize everyone doesn't do drugs. :)
[14:31] <PainBank> ya, but dolphins kick ass!
[14:31] <brousch> But do you mock him daily for his choice in development?
[14:31] <PainBank> snap-l: haha ture
[14:31] <PainBank> ture
[14:31] <PainBank> ture
[14:31] <PainBank> true
[14:31] <PainBank> I can't type worth a damn today
[14:32] <snap-l> PainBank: It's like ColdFusion
[14:32] <PainBank> ugh.
[14:32] <snap-l> I'm sure there's a bundle of them out there that still think it's a viable platform
[14:32] <PainBank> every time I see that name I cringe and I've never used it
[14:32] <snap-l> but at some point, you have to wonder why all of your meetings start with "how do we get more people here?"
[14:32] <PainBank> haha
[14:32] <PainBank> true
[14:34] <Milyardo> The graphic developer that we worked with somehow convinced our website admin that we chuck out our Drupal website for wordpress for the sole reason that it works with his Adobe Apps for development
[14:34] <Milyardo> I'm still baffled to this day how that happened
[14:35] <snap-l> Milyardo: Have you worked with Drupal? I'm not so sure why you're baffled. ;)
[14:35] <PainBank> jeez.. and you couldn't find a Drupal extension/plugin to do the interface to Adobe?
[14:35] <PainBank> snap-l: nice
[14:35] <Milyardo> No one but him had any complaints about working with Drupal
[14:35] <PainBank> but he was the boss?
[14:36] <Milyardo> No he contracted
[14:36] <Milyardo> doesn't even actually work for us
[14:36] <PainBank> even better
[14:37] <snap-l> As someone who set up Drupal, I don't think it was a hard sell.
[14:39] <Milyardo> Yeah I don't know, I mean Drupal isn't the most amazing framework, but replacing with Wordpress of all things dumbfounds me the most
[14:40] <snap-l> Milyardo: Yeah, I hear you.
[14:40] <snap-l> There's certain things Drupal does very well
[14:40] <brousch> Wordpress is actually very capable these days
[14:40] <snap-l> And that's why I use Wordpress. ;)
[14:41] <brousch> I still get annoyed by it
[14:42] <brousch> Mostly I get annoyed by the theming
[14:47] <PainBank> what is so hard about paying someone to generate the theme you want?
[14:47] <PainBank> it is easier than Drupal.
[14:48] <PainBank> ;p
[14:49] <brousch> Heh
[14:49] <Milyardo> I never found Drupal diffcult, just unsophisticated
[14:55] <Milyardo> Last month we had asked this same Designer to work with us on a J2EE/Spring/JPA/JSPX application, I haven't heard from him since
[14:57] <Milyardo> And speaking of Spring, last week I had the misfortune of fixing a Dojo bug, Dojo is a unholy mess
[15:01] <snap-l> Yeah, I think Dojo fell off the map hard
[15:02] <snap-l> Synced my Pragprog book list to Dropbox, and noticed I had Mastering Dojo in there
[15:02] <snap-l> I think I stopped thinking about Dojo the moment I bought the book.
[15:02] <PainBank> perhaps I missed something, what is the linke between Spring and Dojo?  are you talking about Dojo.js?
[15:07] <snap-l> yes
[15:07] <Milyardo> The Spring framework uses Dojo for alot of widgets is genereates in Spring MVC
[15:07] <PainBank> ah, gotcha now
[15:08] <PainBank> where spring is the server backend... that generates the html/js sent to the client?
[15:09] <PainBank> spring is part of the backend server I should say?
[15:09] <PainBank> I have been looking at Dojo.js just from the client aspect and creating a GUI using it without caring about a connection to the server side.
[15:18] <rick_h_> dojo ugh
[15:20] <rick_h_> ok, so now I'm pissed. I preorder for my N7 the night it's announced, and gamestop is handing them out like candy
[15:20] <rick_h_> except my local gamestop only has 1 and it's pre-ordered for someone else
[15:21] <brousch> They are in stores?
[15:22] <rick_h_> yea, evidently
[15:22] <rick_h_> guess gamestop has had them in stores for a week and for some reason today they allowed to sell them
[15:22] <rick_h_> but mainly only for people that did game stop pre-orders
[15:22] <brousch> Game Stop? WTF?
[15:23] <rick_h_> they didn't start taking pre-orders until July, so my June 27th pre-order from google has done me no good it appears...ok getting cranky
[15:24] <brousch> I will go to game stop at unch and buy one
[15:24] <rick_h_> I will drive to GR and steal it
[15:24] <rick_h_> faster, it appears, than sitting weeks on a google pre-order list
[15:26] <brousch> D00d, I could hit gamestop for Nexus 7 and then Pita House for some babaganoush
[15:28] <brousch> Heh, WTF. there are 2 gamestops in Grandville. They are about 1/4 mile apart
[15:28] <brousch> One in the mall, one outside of it
[15:29] <brousch> Oooh, Staples might have it too
[15:31] <brousch> I could hit 2 GameStops and a Staples at lunch and still have time for Pita House
[15:32] <Milyardo> There used be 3 Gamestops within 500 feet of each other in Flint
[15:32] <Milyardo> Now there's two
[15:32] <Milyardo> and a Disc Replay
[15:58] <jrwren> that doesn't look like downtown detroit, looks like midtown
[15:59] <jrwren> adobe developer circles are the only group i've found that is more nuts and illogical than microsoft devs.
[16:06] <jrwren> snap-l: go check out Inverse Phase - Pretty Eight Machine
[16:06] <jrwren> read a description of hte album
[16:07] <jrwren> its only $6.50 to buy from them.
[16:08] <jrwren> http://inversephase.bandcamp.com/album/pretty-eight-machine
[16:09] <waldo323_> anyone going to the pig and whiskey event in ferndale this weekend?
[16:09] <jrwren> nope.
[16:09] <jrwren> going to GR
[16:09] <waldo323_> to get a tablet? :)
[16:09] <jrwren> no
[16:10] <waldo323_> for those who want further details: http://metrotimes.com/pigandwhiskey
[16:26] <snap-l> jrwren: It's on my list.
[16:27] <snap-l> waldo323_: Told JODee about Pig and Whiskey. I think it's going to be way hot. :)
[16:27] <waldo323_> yeah high 80s tomorrow and 90s sunday, 30% chance of rain
[16:27] <snap-l> rick_h_: Fuck GameStop
[16:27] <waldo323_> yes
[16:28] <snap-l> Wish I lived near Mike Gedeon's store
[16:28] <snap-l> (in Ohio)
[16:28] <snap-l> Cool guy that I know from video game conventions
[16:28] <snap-l> http://www.videogameconnection.com/
[16:29] <waldo323_> should we try to invite him to penguicon?
[16:35] <snap-l> Mike Gedeon? He's no celebrity, just a nice dude who sells video games.
[16:36] <waldo323_> maybe not as a goh but maybe a vendor or something?
[16:36] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJhK_q3keCo
[16:36] <waldo323_> and maybe he'd just like to come to hang out?
[16:38] <snap-l> Damn, missed the CCAG Sow.
[16:41] <snap-l> Black Friday in July?
[16:41] <snap-l> (Meijer flyer)
[16:44] <jrwren>  i think it is super slow time of year.
[16:44] <jrwren> newegg has sent lots of emails lately too
[16:45] <snap-l> Yeah, Newegg's mails are getting on my nerves.
[16:45] <snap-l> I think I'm going to unsubscribe from them
[16:46] <snap-l> most of the "deals" are on things I've never heard of before
[16:46] <snap-l> I don't have if it's a 1TB SSD drive for $8, if it's by "screyo data" I'm not buying it.
[16:47] <jrwren> i would.
[16:47] <jrwren> i'm cheap.
[16:48]  * snap-l makes a note to make a bogus drive to sell to jrwren for cheap
[18:06] <brousch> rick_h_: You see this? http://blog.gittip.com/post/27072581481/i-believe-in-gittip
[19:02] <rick_h_> brousch: yes
[19:03] <brousch> Gutsy
[19:05] <rick_h_> well maybe there's hope https://twitter.com/googlenexus/status/223843243576664064
[19:13] <snap-l> Anyone run into automatic formatting with OpenPyXL and know how to turn that off?
[19:36] <brousch> rick_h_: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/wibj8/all_nexus_7_preorders_to_ship_within_3_business/
[21:33] <gamerchick02> happy Friday.