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* Kilos peeks in05:24
Kiloshmm lights are on but nobody home05:24
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Kiloshi SmilyBorg 06:05
SmilyBorgMorning :-)06:05
Trixar_zaKilos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL06:18
Trixar_zaAND it's GPL compatible >.<06:18
SmilyBorghehe06:22
SmilyBorgawesome06:22
Kiloshi Trixar_za 06:23
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oom_koos_Morning all06:31
Kiloshi oom_koos_ did you win?06:32
oom_koos_hi Kilos, I think so, will have to test today and see, first time working with iptables so it's all still a little greek to me06:32
Kilosgood luck06:33
oom_koos_thanks06:33
Kilosyou tried the guys at #glug.za hey06:34
Kilosthats their game06:34
oom_koos_ah thanks i'll pop in there if its not working. thanks for the tip06:35
Kilosyw06:35
Kilosmorning superfly and others08:19
charlhi08:21
Kiloshiya charl 08:22
charlhi Kilos 08:22
charlskype finally upgraded their linux client08:23
superflyhi Kilos08:28
superflycharl: uh, that happened like a month ago08:28
charlsuperfly: i did a reinstall yesterday evening and only noticed now08:29
charlit doesn't seem like they notify you through the client08:29
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charlMaaz: coffee on10:18
* Maaz puts the kettle on10:18
KilosMaaz, coffee please10:19
MaazKilos: Okay10:19
inetproMaaz: what's for lunch?10:21
Maazinetpro: they say Debonairs Pizza is the leading pizza restaurant in Africa. http://www.debonairs.co.za/10:21
inetprohmm...10:21
Kiloslol10:22
inetproKilos: hoe gaan dit?10:22
MaazCoffee's ready for charl and Kilos!10:22
Kilosgoed dankie en daar?10:22
KilosMaaz, ty10:22
MaazYou are welcome Kilos10:22
Kiloswas nou net by bure wat printer cartridges doen en lyk of hulle n tak van hulle besigheid sal oopmaak vir data recovery vir my10:23
charlbah if debonairs is the leading pizza restaurant i really don10:28
charldon't want to see the others10:28
Kiloslol10:34
magespawnhowdy all11:00
Maazmagespawn: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell magespawn http://wiki.cgm.ucdavis.edu/groups/cgmwiki/wiki/f1322/" 1 day, 2 hours, 9 minutes and 5 seconds ago11:00
Kiloshiya magespawn 11:05
magespawnhow you doing Kilos?11:07
Kilosnot too bad ty and you magespawn ?11:07
magespawnbusy, thanks for the link11:08
Kilosyw. looks i might get a recovery service going with neighbours11:09
magespawncool11:09
magespawnextra income11:10
Kilosthat link looks interesting hey. you make an image of faulty drive the use chkdsk to repair their own files11:10
Kilosnot extra, only11:10
Kiloswill be first income since 200311:10
Kilosand they need someone to look after their 9 pcs as well so i gotta get up to date with win711:11
Kilosgrrr11:11
magespawnbit of a learning curve there then11:13
Kilosyeah lol but feels good to have some rigting again11:14
Kilosthey asked me how they gotta give quotes for data recovery and repair11:15
Kilosi have no idea what to tell them\11:15
Kilossflr didnt come on today and just disappeared last night11:23
Kiloshope its only internet probs11:23
magespawni am not sure either, you could charge for time or per mb of data recovered. the second one might give the customer better value for money11:23
magespawnno way to find out, like email?11:25
Tonberryunless you start recovering .avi s11:25
Kilosyeah avis are massive11:26
Kilosmagespawn, what you mean?11:26
Kilosyou mean mail sflr11:28
magespawnyup11:28
Kilosjust did , took a while to figure out what you meant11:29
Kiloslike quotes  etc had head stuck11:29
Kiloshehe11:29
magespawnit happens11:36
magespawnwindows is not that difficult to work, but it does not always allow you to do everything11:40
Kilosmethinks i will only need to help if there are probs. wont be doing any fancy stuff11:41
Kilosmaybe lotsa formats and reinstalls11:42
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charlphew not even 14:00 and i'm already worn out11:50
charlhow's it going with the rest of you people, looking forward to the weekend?11:50
charllet's hear it from the ballies for a change :)11:50
Kiloslol we be kiff11:55
Kiloswe dont use the 5 days after the weekend to recover11:56
charl:D11:58
charli need two days to recover from the week11:58
charland then 5 days to recover from the weekend11:58
Kiloslol11:59
Kilosim even complaining about voda tower on twitter now11:59
Kilosthey stopped answering emails12:00
Kilosthe swines12:00
magespawnmaybe you sent them too much mail12:34
Guest9576hy ppl12:35
Kiloshi Guest9576 12:35
Guest9576hw url 12:36
Kilosmagespawn, one does what one has to if no attention is given to complaints12:36
magespawnKilos not sure.12:36
Kiloswe kiff and you12:36
magespawnKilos what is the name of your channel?12:37
Kilosit cant take over 2 weeks to sent a tech to the tower, he lives in pta12:37
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Kiloswhat channel magespawn ?12:37
magespawnyour channel12:37
Kilosoh ##kilos12:38
djTebzenany galz?12:38
magespawndjTebzen:  not that kind of channel12:38
Kilosnope djTebzen this is a working ubuntu channel12:38
Kiloslinux channel12:39
djTebzenoh i am new at this hey 12:39
magespawnthis is the irc channel for the ubuntu-za community.12:40
magespawnUbuntu South Africa http://ubuntu-za.org 12:40
djTebzenok sori12:40
magespawnno worries12:40
SmilyBorgI think I understand djTebzen's question now12:41
SmilyBorgthey were using http://www.chatmosphere.org/12:41
SmilyBorgwhich looks like a hookup chat site12:41
SmilyBorggot adult friend finder on the front page too12:42
Kilosyip i think its a bb thingie12:43
chat83381test12:44
SmilyBorgyup. dodgy site12:44
SmilyBorgit lists random popular channels on the front page too12:44
magespawnnot so dodgy, but does give ppl the wrong idea12:45
SmilyBorgI think it's dodgy that they are basically re-branding freenode as their own system and not giving any credit unless you really dig hard12:48
SmilyBorghmm, seems they do pull in multiple IRC networks though12:49
SmilyBorgso a but of an IRC aggregater of sorts12:50
SmilyBorgs/but/bit/12:50
SmilyBorgoh well. time to find some lunch12:50
magespawnjust branding it as chat and with the adult friend finder does give the wrong idea.12:50
Kiloseish oom_koos has a bad connection12:53
Kiloshmm peer back in town13:17
charlbah13:30
charlpeer sucks13:30
charlhe is such an a-hole!13:30
Kiloslol13:31
inetprolet's go sort him out, where does he live?13:34
Kiloshehe13:36
KilosMaaz, google peer13:37
MaazKilos: "Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility: Homepage" http://www.peer.org/ :: "Peer | Define Peer at Dictionary.com" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/peer :: "Peer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer :: "Welcome to Pacific Earthquake Engineering Research Center - PEER" http://peer.berkeley.edu/ :: "Peer - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary" http://www.merriam-w13:37
KilosMaaz, define peer13:37
MaazKilos: Peer \Peer\ v. t. To make equal in rank. [R.] --Heylin. [1913 Webster], Peer \Peer\ v. t. To be, or to assume to be, equal. [R.] [1913 Webster], Peer \Peer\, n. [OE. per, OF. per, F. pair, fr. L. par equal. Cf. {Apparel}, {Pair}, {Par}, n., {Umpire}.] 1. One of the same rank, quality, endowments, character, etc.; an equal; a match; a mate. [1913 Webster]  In song he never had his peer.        --Dryden. [1913 Webster]  Shall they cons13:37
charlMaaz: google connection reset by peer13:40
Maazcharl: "I'm receiving the error "Connection reset by peer (10054)"." http://kb.realvnc.com/questions/75/ :: "Connection reset by peer. - Microsoft TechNet" http://technet.microsoft.com/library/cc957018 :: "sockets - connection reset by peer - Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1434451/connection-reset-by-peer :: "ssh: Connection reset by peer" http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/ssh-connection-reset-by-p13:40
charlah, microsoft invented peer... that explains it13:40
charlwhat error do you get when a drunk man falls over a cable in the server room?13:41
charlconnection reset by beer13:41
Kiloslol13:41
Kilosi go fetch sheep13:41
Symmetriahrm14:06
Symmetriaso all14:06
Symmetrialo I mean14:06
* Symmetria sighs, 55 days till I write probably the roughest exam I could possibly take and haha I am?. very worried 14:07
Tonberryo?14:07
Symmetriaheh the JNCIE exam14:08
Symmetriathe pass rate on that thing is < 20% 14:09
Symmetria(it rises to around 30% when you look at people who did it 3 times)14:09
Tonberrydamn14:09
Kilosgood luck Symmetria 14:14
Kilosdont make excuses, just pass it14:15
Symmetriaheh kilos oh I plan to pass it, Im just nervous as hell14:20
Symmetriaespecially considering what it costs to  write the damn thing14:20
magespawnhowdy14:20
Kilosyo magespawn wb14:21
magespawnwhat you writing Symmetria 14:21
magespawn?14:21
magespawnty Kilos14:21
KilosJNCIE exam14:21
Kiloswhatever that might be14:21
Symmetriaheh its the top level juniper certification14:21
Symmetriaits basically the god of all network qualifications 14:22
magespawnso I see, what is the exam fee?14:22
magespawnJuniper Networks Certified Internet Expert.14:23
magespawnhttp://certification.about.com/library/glossary/bldef-jncie.htm14:24
Symmetriamagespawn umm coupla thousand dollars14:24
Symmetriathey have to fly an examiner out to .za to test you, or you have to fly to dubai, one or the other your choice14:25
Symmetrialast time I checked with all the sublementary exams and the main exam and the costs and everything a JNCIE complete cert ends up costing around 100 grand or something14:25
magespawnsounds like fun. do not have an off day when you take the exam.14:25
Symmetriaheh the exam is designed to give you an off day ahha14:26
Symmetriabasically this exam works like this14:26
Symmetriafirst, there is a 4 hour theory exam 14:26
Symmetriathat you write online14:26
Symmetriathats RELATIVELY ok 14:26
Symmetriathen, you have a lab exam that I believe is done in 2 12 hour segments or something 14:26
Symmetriaand basically, they take you into the mother of all labs, give you a bunch of impossible networks, say, right, build these, and when you done, they go in there, screw them entirely, and go right, fix them 14:27
Symmetriasucceed and you pass, dont succeed and you fail 14:27
Symmetriaand they will make very sure that the breakage is as obscure as possible 14:27
Symmetriaright now to putting in dodgy hardware into the lab that is malfunctioning but not entirely broken14:28
Kiloshmm no more new cars for a while14:28
Symmetriaheh, its the ultimate in torture :)14:28
magespawnhow does this compare to the cisco certs?14:29
Symmetriamagespawn heh, this makes the CCNA/CCNP/CCDP/CCIP exams look like a walk in the park, its probably about on par with the CCIE 14:29
Symmetriathe CCIE exam has tons of people that pass the theory, but very very few that pass the lab 14:29
Symmetrialol, I know a lot of people that go "zomg I'm a CCIE", and Im like, oh? really? tell me about the lab? they go "Oh, no, ummm I only did the theory bit"14:30
magespawnlol14:31
Symmetriabut the CCIE exam has one element in it that luckily the JNCIE doesnt really have, you *CANNOT* pass the CCIE lab unless you know how to script in TCL 14:31
Symmetriaand script *WELL* and *FAST*14:31
magespawnlike claiming you have cert when you have done an exam prep course14:31
Symmetriabecause its not possible to complete the exam in time without on router tcl scripting 14:31
magespawncan you take tools into the lab with you? or just what is in your head?14:32
Symmetriaheh, you walk in with nothing, they supply what you are allowed14:32
Symmetriayou cant even take a pen in there14:32
magespawnokay then, so no pre-written scripts then.14:33
Symmetriamagespawn heh, not possible to pre-write them anyway, you write those scripts generally to perform diagnostics against the problems they throw at you and those could be any of about 50 thousand things14:34
magespawni think I have awhile to go, i am only doing my a+,n+ and mcitp this year14:34
Symmetriaheh, the n+ isnt 2 bad14:35
Symmetrianever bothered with the a+ 14:35
Symmetriathe CCNA/JNCA certs arent hard either14:35
Symmetriayou could probably pass a JNCA exam with 2 or 3 weeks study and no experience14:36
magespawnbundled course.14:36
magespawngot them to throw in exchange and database's too14:36
magespawnstart at the bottom to try and cover the bases properly14:41
Symmetria*nod*14:41
Kilosgood foundation makes for strong building14:42
Symmetriahrm14:49
Symmetriaif za.archive isnt working now14:49
Symmetriasomething is broken with gb.archive 14:49
Symmetriabecause its in perfect sync14:49
charlbbl14:52
magespawnright see you all later15:04
magespawnbye15:04
Symmetrialater all, Im off to the airport to go fly to dubai15:04
Kilostoods magespawn 15:05
Kilosgo well Symmetria 15:05
Kiloshmmm steven got hectic flu15:10
Kilosmust be a new kind15:10
Kiloshi smile 15:32
smilehi Kilos :D15:35
smilehttp://hugsmile.eu/en/chat/ ;)15:35
Kilosha ha15:35
smile:DD15:35
smileno images :D15:35
smileso have a look :)15:35
Kilosok15:36
smile^^15:36
Kiloshmm well done15:37
Kilosyou windows peeps need something that works15:38
Kilosyou need too add antivirus, firewall and anti malware15:38
Kiloslooks quite easy to understand15:41
Kiloswhat language is it smile15:44
smileKilos: it's JavaScript / XUL / XBL I think :)15:44
smileand NSIS-script & VBScript15:44
smile:p15:44
Kilosyou learning jave now?15:45
Kilosjava15:45
smilenope. I just used the source code from the chatzilla extension :)15:45
Kilosah15:45
smilenormally, you use it like this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chatzilla/15:45
smileas an addon15:45
Kilosso thats a standalone15:45
smilebut I made it standalone :)15:45
smilein only 6,2 megs :p15:46
smileyou can't even install firefox for that15:46
smile:p15:46
Kiloswell done15:46
Kiloshowdoes it connect? with your browser15:47
smileno no :) it's using XULRunner instead of Firefox15:47
smilethat's a dll file :p15:47
smileSo I think it's using the standard built-in functions of XULRunner (HTTP/HTTPS and HTML/CSS support)15:47
smile:p15:47
Kilosah15:48
smileif you understand what i'm saying? :)15:48
Kilosa bit15:48
smilewell consult wikipedia for the details ^^15:48
smile:)15:48
Kilosnot like wget uses tcp/ip if i member right15:48
Kilosno man details are for clever peeps15:49
smiletcp/ip is just a protocol stack which also contains HTTP :)15:51
smileHTTP is just a layer higher in the protocol stack. of course it's using tcp :)15:51
Kilosso thats youre own chat site15:52
smileNo it connects to a freenode server :)15:53
Kilosah15:53
smilelike this channel :p15:53
Kilosso is a a irc chat client then?15:54
smilejep! :p15:54
Kilosan15:55
Kilosaha15:55
Kilosim getting there15:55
smileyou can also use it for this channel if you want. just need to adjust one line :)15:55
smile^^15:55
Kilosto make it work on ubuntu?15:55
smileno :| that needs more work I fear :p15:56
smile=> start from scratch, almost :p15:56
Kiloslol15:56
smileI could make it for Ubuntu but it will take me about two weeks :p15:57
Kilosyou have the rest of your life15:57
smilejep! :p15:57
smilebrb :)15:57
smileback :p16:06
smile^^16:06
smilewow, lots happend here :p16:06
Kiloshehe16:06
smile:)16:08
smilepff, why NSIS doesn't work on Linux? :(16:08
magespawnEvening16:58
Kilosyo magespawn 16:59
magespawnyo yo yo,16:59
smileVerbindung wegens Inaktivität gescholossen -> Is this Dutch? xD o.O17:03
smile:)17:06
smilelot of people who are quiet today17:07
smile:p17:07
smile* lots17:07
magespawnSounds more german.17:07
smileit is german17:07
smilebut it's onlogical. It's on a Dutch site. :p17:07
magespawnAhh, well there is no accounting for people.17:09
smileyeah. They should translate it :p17:09
Kiloswb magespawn 17:29
KilosAndChat|68096, too17:29
AndChat|68096Lol17:29
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Kiloswhat a schlep17:30
Kilosoh my he gone again17:53
Kilosour internet is getting worse daily17:53
Kiloshehe18:01
Kiloshi fluffy_p 18:01
fluffy_phello18:01
fluffy_pso whats everybody talking about18:01
Kiloslinux and ubuntu18:01
Kilosand network probs18:02
Kilosand data recovery18:02
fluffy_pok, so whats your take on the subject?18:03
Kilosi listen and learn so i got something to forget18:03
magespawnWhat up?18:03
Kilosyo magespawn meet fluffy_p 18:04
fluffy_plol! i think we both log on for the same reason18:04
fluffy_phey magespawn18:04
Kiloswhat reason fluffy_p 18:04
fluffy_pnice to meet you18:04
magespawnHey fluffy_p 18:04
fluffy_plisten, learn so i got something to forget18:05
Kilosoh hehe18:05
Kilosare you a linux user fluffy_p ?18:05
fluffy_pso whats your take on Ubuntu magespawn?18:05
fluffy_pno18:06
Kilosubuntu rocks18:06
Kilosmuch better than windows18:06
fluffy_pi think there is no ubunto18:06
fluffy_pso it sucks the big on for me18:07
KilosMaaz, google ubuntu18:07
MaazKilos: "Home | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/ :: "Desktop | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop :: "Download | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download :: "Ubuntu for you | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu :: "Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) :: "Ubuntu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu :: "Ubuntu (philosoph18:07
magespawnBoomarang much18:08
fluffy_pnope18:08
Kiloshehe18:10
magespawnGot to go for real now.18:12
magespawnBbl18:12
Kiloscheers magespawn have a good night18:12
Kilosok18:12
KilosBanlam|away, you still away18:14
Kilossjoe18:14
Kiloshope hes studying18:15
smilebye :)18:28
Kilosnight all. sleep tight18:34
Kilossee you tomorrow18:34
inetprogood evening19:49
inetprohmm... looks like everyone is sleeping here already20:24
charlgood evening20:27
inetproheh wb charl20:27
charlthanks inetpro 20:27
inetprocharl: how was the day?20:38
charlinetpro: pretty hectic but i survived it, now got a weekend to relax to :)20:39
inetpronice20:39
charlstill need to decide what to do this weekend, right now it's raining and tomorrow looks like thunder20:39
charlsunday i might be able to do some traveling, get out and do something cool20:39
charlstill not decided where to go, maybe back to bentheim or something20:39
charlhow was your week?20:40
inetproeish, don't remind me, hectic20:40
* inetpro will also be relaxing tomorrow, so far no plans20:40
charlyeah, i got four projects i'm working on so there isn't much time left in the day20:41
charland new things come up as soon as i got some stuff done :)20:41
inetprobut with the kids around we'll probably have a lot to do20:41
charllol yeah20:42
charli'm still single so i need to find other things to entertain myself with :P20:42
charllike going to restaurants and chatting up the cute waitresses :)20:42
inetproenjoy the freedom20:42
inetprocharl: how old you now if I may ask?20:43
charl2520:43
inetproahh, still got a way to go :)20:43
charl:)20:43
charlat work the second youngest person is 7 years older than me (i think)20:44
charlin our department anyway20:44
* inetpro will only be 45 next year20:45
charli was at a work party yesterday, they had this big canister of liquid nitrogen20:47
charlwe got to select fruit, then they put it on a stick, dip it in some yoghurt, then dip it in the liquid nitrogen20:48
charlinstantly creates an ice cream type thing20:48
inetprowow20:48
charlthen for a second round, get some chocolate sauce on that20:48
charlthen back into the nitrogen20:48
charlwas a bit "gimmick"-ey, but cool nenvertheless!20:48
charllemme get a pic20:51
inetprozeref: wb20:51
zerefherro20:52
charlhi zeref 20:53
charlinetpro: here was the man making them http://i.imgur.com/aGivi.jpg20:56
charlhere was mine: http://i.imgur.com/HhqXh.jpg20:56
charlexcuse the photo, it was taken with my one hand, the other hand was used to hold the stick :)20:56
charlso those are my legs at the bottom20:56
charlthe canister with the nitrogen isn't properly visible but you can see part of the top on the other side of the table20:57
charlthe smoke coming from the bowl is the nitrogen evaporating20:57
charlthe smoke still came from the ice after it came out of the bowl20:57
charlas i was holding it lol20:57
inetprolooks quite lekker20:59
charlbut now.. time for a beer :)20:59
charlyup it was, not bad at all20:59
charlthe fruit was frozen almost to the stick20:59
charli had a piece of strawberry and banana in mine20:59
inetproheh, enjoy the beer and the weekend21:00
charlfunny to think the fruit was perfectly fresh and raw just a few minutes before21:00
charlthanks!21:00
charlduvel... yum yum21:00
* inetpro has never heard of or seen a Duvel21:02
charllemme make a pic21:02
inetprountil now21:02
* inetpro found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duvel_Moortgat_Brewery21:03
charlyup that's the one21:03
inetproat least I don't remember seeing it, and definitely have not tasted it21:03
inetprolooks nice21:04
charlhttp://i.imgur.com/7g0uV.jpg21:04
charlhttp://i.imgur.com/f6T3m.jpg21:04
charlplease excuse the coke glass, i know that is just bad to drink beer from a coke glass21:04
charlbut we are busy moving house and the beer glasses are in the new house :(21:04
inetprohaha21:05
charlwe actually have some real duvel glasses21:06
charlthey make their own beer glasses too21:06
charli took a picture of that at some point but i don't know where to find it now21:06
inetprodefinitely doesn't look good in a coke glass :-)21:06
charlnope21:06
inetprobut I'm sure the taste won't be any different21:07
charlwait lemme see if i still have that photo of that krombacher i was drinking the other day21:07
charllemme just ask my mom...21:07
inetproyour mom also with you in Europe?21:07
charlnope she was here just a few weeks ago but at the moment she is in south africa with my grandmother21:08
charlmy grandmother's condition isn't too good at the moment21:08
inetproahh21:08
inetproso how're you chatting with her?21:09
charlon the one side we want to bring her to europe but we're not sure how to get her on an airplane21:09
charlthe care she is getting at the moment is not good at all21:09
charli just have my mom on skype here21:09
inetprook21:09
inetprocharl: she in hospital?21:10
charlnah in a frailcare institution21:11
charlah here's the beer: http://i.imgur.com/XpHoF.jpg21:11
charlnow we're talking!21:11
inetpronow that looks much better21:11
charlthe rest of the photos: http://imgur.com/a/nc1pg21:12
inetproyikes, time running away21:12
* inetpro gonna hit the pillow21:13
charlnn inetpro !21:14
charli'm also off, nn all!21:18

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