[00:00] <histo> rinzler: what disablign the virtualized network adapter?
[00:00] <rinzler> histo: yep
[00:00] <histo> rinzler: Settnigs > Network > uncheck the box enable network
[00:01] <rinzler> histo: ok thanks :)
[00:03] <Prospect> how to install quanta plus?
[00:05] <ultrixx> thats from 2007, right?
[00:05] <Diopter> I'm having trouble building the "build_monolithic" target in from the debian-installer source (for Precise) on an amd64 install. It seems to be failing to resolve dependencies by trying to include both amd64 and i386 packages
[00:06] <Diopter> Couldn't find much about the issue on google; any insight from someone familiar with the D-I?
[00:06] <Diopter> Interestingly, build_cdrom_isolinux seems to work fine
[00:08] <Prospect> how to install quanta plus?
[00:09] <tensorpudding> open software center, look for it
[00:09] <basil1x> On a Toshiba Laptop, running 12.04LTS, using Brasero; at 53%, it suddenly drops from 5x write to ~1x.  Is there any way to fix this, pls?
[00:09] <Prospect> tensorpudding, no it doesn't have it
[00:09] <Diopter> basil1x: Check dmesg (from a terminal: dmesg | tail -n 50), see if you see anything interesting concerning the optical drive
[00:10] <asmonaut> the name of my puter is www-data when it sends mail. how do i change that name? i remember it being in a file, but cant remember which :D
[00:10] <tensorpudding> Prospect, it got removed a long time ago, apparently
[00:10] <basil1x> checking... moment pls.
[00:10] <tensorpudding> Prospect, not sure why
[00:11] <jordan_> For some reason I can't get midi to work through wine. Is there something special that I need to do?
[00:11] <tensorpudding> Prospect, is it still in development
[00:11] <tensorpudding> software usually gets dropped when it hasn't been updated for a couple years
[00:11] <tensorpudding> it looks like it was abandoned in 2007
[00:12] <tensorpudding> and only works with kde 3
[00:12] <tensorpudding> that's probably why it was removed
[00:13] <Prospect> tensorpudding, could you explain me this http://www.ehow.com/how_8362889_install-quanta-plus-ubuntu.html ?
[00:14] <Prospect> I can't understand where is that "terminal"?
[00:14] <tensorpudding> Prospect, it was removed in 11.04
[00:14] <tensorpudding> Prospect, if you have an up-to-date version of ubuntu that won't work
[00:15] <nannes> assss... People using linux who doesn't know what a terminal is
[00:15] <nannes> Where are we going to? :S
[00:15] <Prospect> tensorpudding, ok, understood, thank you very much
[00:15] <RedLance> nannes, I have a Wyse terminal, is that good enough? :)
[00:16] <nannes> lol Red
[00:17] <Prospect> nannes, I installed Ubuntu just today
[00:22] <basil1x> OK... that took forever... no messages about the DVD drive at all using: 'dmesg | tail -n 50'
[00:22] <RedLance> Does anybody if rsync will bog down my adsl connection like torrents do?
[00:23] <bretth> where is the ubuntu developers channel?
[00:24] <Diopter> RedLance: Depends, are you planning on rsync'ing data out or in, primarily?
[00:24] <aguitel> http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
[00:24] <RedLance> Diopter, Out, primarily
[00:24] <histo> bretth: #ubuntu-dev I believe
[00:25] <bretth> histo, nobody is there
[00:25] <neu-rah> where?
[00:25] <aguitel> #ubuntu+1
[00:25] <Diopter> RedLance: Then no
[00:25] <RedLance> Diopter, Hmmm, ok, thanks
[00:25] <KPG> When attempting to install Ubuntu 12.04
[00:26] <bretth> #ubuntu-devel
[00:26] <nosa-j> i need to add a file to a install cd but i don't really see a directory for it and not sure ware i should put it any ideas?
[00:26] <DemonWitch> hey how can i change at grub the video driver ( i want to choose vesa by changing the kernel line)
[00:26] <codyps> Hi, I'm looking for a package with a static libebl. From what I can tell, it is part of elfutils. No static package to be found, though. Only dynamic
[00:27] <KPG> When attempting to install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS alongside Windows 7 using Wubi, the installation completes, but then on startup, the system halts on initramfs. Is there a simple solution to this issue?
[00:27] <basil1x> Diopter - dmesg | tail -n 50 gives no message about my DVD drive.  Is there anything else to do re: Brasero dropping to ~1x burn rate?
[00:27] <Prospect> nannes, now I know what the terminal is , learned from Ubuntu's help :)
[00:27] <nannes> Prospect: very good. did you read all my msgs or I my connection was already down?
[00:27] <Diopter> basil1x: Well, my next step would be to install "wodim", then run "wodim -v /path/to/image/file", and watch the output from the -v (verbose) flag while it's burning
[00:28] <histo> !dev | bret
[00:28] <Diopter> basil1x: See if the buffers have some kind of issue halfway through the process, or it complains loudly
[00:28] <Ziber> kill -9: It kills it with -9 fucks given.
[00:28] <Prospect> i've read all of them, maybe
[00:28] <histo> !language | Ziber
[00:28] <Jordan_U> DemonWitch: Adding the kernel parameters "nomodeset" and "xforcevesa" will probably get you that. Why do you want to use VESA though?
[00:28] <basil1x> OK... will an ISO work, or do I use an AVI? Diopter
[00:28] <Ziber> But...
[00:28] <Ziber> Okay.
[00:29] <DemonWitch> Jordan_ got wrong driver
[00:29] <DemonWitch> Jordan_can i use the vga=xxx parameter?
[00:29] <Diopter> basil1x: An ISO
[00:30] <basil1x> gotcha
[00:31] <area51pilot> i need to add add a program to startup on boot ( TeamViewer7) ... any suggestions
[00:31] <area51pilot> I have the autostart file open but am not sure how to add this item
[00:31] <hitter> looking now area51pilot 2 secs
[00:31] <hitter> !patience
[00:32] <hitter> area51pilot, click on the app icon and type startup
[00:32] <hitter> area51pilot, then you should be able to get it from there :D
[00:33] <area51pilot> app icon
[00:39] <smallnation> Haha! 1557 users... looked like 1337 for a second.
[00:39] <nosa-j> i need to get these files http://pastebin.com/kEkyc9Rm inside a archlinux cd (sorry i can't find my freenode password so i can ask in #archlinux atm its on my server) so that it can see the drivers. i tryed to open the iso but i couldn't find a pplace ware drivers should go, and im not sure how to get the drivers to work though a usb drive can you guys help me out?
[00:40] <nosa-j> i really apologize for not asking there
[00:41] <nosa-j> i found a folder with alot of files though under boot/syslinux would they go there by chance?
[00:41] <basil1x> Diopter - OK... wodim had no problem with the burn at all.  Is this a Brasero problem?  I've seen it on the web, but from much older Ubuntu distros.
[00:41] <Need2Grow> heaalppp popeye <no homo>
[00:48] <ejv> nosa-j: if you're trying to install some wireless firmware, i'd refer to the archlinux community documentation. /join #archlinux
[00:48] <nosa-j> i see
[00:49] <ejv> nosa-j: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Broadcom_wireless
[00:49] <ejv> good hunting :)
[00:49] <nosa-j> i was just on that page
[00:49] <nosa-j> now its open'd twice :D
[00:50] <baz_> Hi folks - stuck in bush with almost no web access - can someone tell me how to reset my MYSQL root pass?
[00:50] <Diopter> Is there an easier way to add a custom .udeb to an initrd.gz than rebuilding the debian-installer?
[00:50] <ejv> baz_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MysqlPasswordReset
[00:51] <baz_> thanks ejv
[00:51] <ejv> yw
[00:53] <hilo> hello
[00:54] <hilo> GParted shows an extremely different amount of free space on my filesystem than the 'df -h' command. Can anyone offer an explanation or fix?
[00:55]  * basil1x has decided to use wodim to burn instead of Brasero... a GUI was nice, but not necessary... Now, on to the 2nd problem... DeVeDe will NOT burn subtitles.
[00:55] <chaslinux> hilo try df -hH is it still drastically different?
[00:55] <PatrickC_> ok, fresh install of ubuntu 12.04 x64, installed gnome-shell for a wm, tried to have it replace unity using gnome-shell --replace
[00:55] <PatrickC_> borked the wm, so i rebooted like i normally do when that happens
[00:56] <PatrickC_> and now i cannot log into the ubuntu install at all
[00:56] <PatrickC_> anyone heard of this?
[00:56] <escott> hilo, what filesystem
[00:56] <chaslinux> hilo try df -hH is it still drastically different?
[00:57] <area51pilot> having trouble trying to edit files to have system autologin ... anyone?
[00:57] <chaslinux> PatrickC_ you know you can replace it from lightdm correct?
[00:57] <hilo> Yes, the 'df' command gives the right amount of free space that I'd expect. GParted shows about 40% more usage
[00:57] <Diopter> PatrickC_: Have you tried choosing a different session with the little icon to the top right of the password field?
[00:57] <hilo> escott: EXT4
[00:57] <PatrickC_> Diopter: yes i have
[00:57] <PatrickC_> i've done it with all avail options
[00:58] <PatrickC_> chaslinux: lightdm?
[00:58] <hilo> chaslinux: Yes, the 'df' command gives the right amount of free space that I'd expect. GParted shows about 40% more usage
[00:59] <totesmuhgoats> hi friends
[00:59] <chaslinux> PatrickC_ before you log in to gnome you can select the session type: Unity or Gnome 3.
[00:59] <chaslinux> lightdm is the login manager now (used to be GDM)
[00:59] <PatrickC_> chaslinux: i tried Unity, Unity 2D, Gnome, Gnome Classic, and Gnome Classic (No Effects)
[01:00] <Codename> Possibly the largest channel on freenode....
[01:00] <Diopter> hilo: There's two ways df can display usage in human-friendly (read: large) units; using standard SI prefixes and the new binary prefixes
[01:00] <Diopter> hilo: If you compare df -h with df -H you'll see a likely large difference
[01:00] <derrick_> I need help, I logged into my session and there is no panel!
[01:00] <hilo> GParted shows 90% utilized while the 'df' command shows 53% usage. The df command is correct.
[01:01] <justin__> derrick_, wtf
[01:01] <derrick_> haha
[01:01] <hilo> Diopter: the difference from -h and -H is negligible.
[01:01] <justin__> derrick_, can u make it to a terminal
[01:01] <justin__> ?
[01:01] <Diopter> hilo: Alright then.
[01:01] <derrick_> the only way i got to xchat was by right clicking the desktop
[01:01] <derrick_> yes i can
[01:02] <justin__> so go there, n type in sudo apt-get install gnome-panel
[01:02] <hilo> Diopter: GParted shows the partition as 90% full versus 53% in df
[01:02] <justin__> then restart
[01:02] <derrick_> i'm in xubuntu
[01:02] <justin__> do u run unit or gnome classic?
[01:02] <PatrickC_> is there a way to get cmd line access without being able to log into ubuntu?
[01:02] <Diopter> hilo: What about sudo du -sh /
[01:02] <PatrickC_> like, access to the /home folder and stuff
[01:02] <PatrickC_> without a live dvd/usb
[01:02] <escott> PatrickC_, ctrl-alt-f1
[01:03] <chaslinux> hilo does GParted show the drive as the correct size?
[01:03] <Diopter> PatrickC_: Ctrl+Alt+F1, login to your user. The X session lives on tty7, which you can get to with Alt+F7
[01:03] <hilo> chaslinux: both show the correct total size.
[01:03] <Diopter> Is there an easier way to add a custom .udeb to an initrd.gz than rebuilding the debian-installer?
[01:03] <totesmuhgoats> i am having a strange issue with audio in ubuntu 12.04. as of the last few days i don't hear any audio out of my speakers even though everything seems to be configured correctly -> http://pastebin.com/8TNYKT1b <- The speakers are on, I have tested the cable / speakers / receiver, everything is connected properly.
[01:04] <PatrickC_> Diopter, escott, thanks!
[01:04] <totesmuhgoats> i have no idea what caused the issue, if i were to guess i would assume probably a software update
[01:04] <derrick_> should i install gnome panel if i'm using xfce?
[01:04] <justin__> try reinstalling xfce first
[01:05] <chaslinux> hilo what I mean is does it show the hard drive as 80GB  if it's 80GB?
[01:05] <chaslinux> hilo I was thinking maybe gparted is being run as non-sudo/non-root and detecting part of the drive... just thinking.
[01:05] <hilo> Diopter: gives similar output to the df command, and shows the correct amount of free space
[01:05] <totesmuhgoats> please highlight me if you respond
[01:05] <derrick_> it says it's the latest version
[01:06] <TheWonderingGuru> Hello everyone
[01:06] <kilab33z> hey
[01:06] <derrick_> i installed ubuntu netbook edition (easy peasy) and then I installed xfce.  when i tried logging into a xubuntu session the panel was gone.
[01:07] <hilo> chaslinux: Yes, it is a 12 TB partition and is displayed as such in GParted.
[01:07] <TheWonderingGuru> Does anyone know how to change the default file manager in xubuntu 12.04lts from thunar to dolphin?
[01:07] <chaslinux> derrick sure it's not just hiding... did you try moving the mouse to near the bottom of the screen?
[01:07] <derrick_> chaslinux i tried that
[01:07] <derrick_> both the top and bottom panels are missing
[01:08] <ceti331> anyonee know how to launch the KDE panel ? i've installed KWin & kdesktop under ubuntu.
[01:09] <chaslinux> derrick_ one thing I've done before is a rm -rf on ~/.gconf and ~/.gconfd
[01:09] <ceti331> i went from fvwm -> raw kwin without kde.. i dont have a kde desktop gdm option
[01:09] <chaslinux> But that's for gnome
[01:09] <chaslinux> then log out and relogin to set up default files.
[01:10] <derrick_> i haven't a clue what you mean by rm -rf
[01:11] <OY1R> does anyone know a linux/ubuntu alternative to VisualGPSXP ?
[01:11] <hilo> chaslinux: Thanks for trying, I'll be back later or tomorrow to try and find out more.
[01:11] <chaslinux> derrick_ rm -rf (rm is remove)
[01:11] <chaslinux> hilo: sorry
[01:12] <OY1R> VisualGPSXP let's you see (with a nice GUI) the information(pos, sats, dop, speed, alt. signal etc.) received from a NMEA enabled gps device.
[01:12] <PatrickC_> got in
[01:12] <PatrickC_> thanks
[01:13] <chaslinux> derrick_ the -rf is recursive (so it removes all files and directories below ~/.gconfd). You have to be careful doing rm -rf or you could remove important files.
[01:14] <pawan> hi
[01:14] <pawan> wired network not connecting
[01:14] <derrick_> i'm going to restart
[01:14] <derrick_> thanks
[01:15] <Need2Grow> ok fellowes
[01:18] <vote4trout> trying to install an update but i'm getting a dialogue: "The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources" and then the only option offered is to close, there is no 'proceed anyways' option
[01:18] <pawan> No active connections
[01:19] <vote4trout> the updates that won't install are : aptdaemon aptdaemon-data compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins compiz-plugins-default gir1.2-pango-1.0 libdecoration0 libpango1.0-0 python-aptdaemon python-aptdaemon-gtk python-aptdaemon.gtk3widgets python-aptdaemon.gtkwidgets python-aptdaemon.pkcompat
[01:20] <mrdeb> is it safe to install google talk plugin
[01:23] <derrick_> I found a fix: in the terminal type "xfce4-panel" and before closing the terminal, logout making sure to save the session
[01:24] <Need2Grow> i cant read
[01:24] <itsakademik> any benefits in installing google+ as opposed to using empathy?
[01:25] <itsakademik> google chat*
[01:25] <Chat9024> hey
[01:25] <[snake]> Hello. Can sudo(sudo -s) be told to use another .bashrc type file? I know that you can use source .yourbashrchere, but I'm not sure how to make the sudo -s prompt automatically use another config file.
[01:26] <Need2Grow> ubuntu us a zulu tribe
[01:27] <tr3nton> itsakademik: I don't think there is a google chat for linux? anyway, it doesn't matter, just use whatever software you prefer ;)
[01:27] <IdleOne> Need2Grow: please stop with the nonsense
[01:27] <kilab33z> pidgin
[01:28] <Need2Grow> idleone holyy eh tu brute
[01:28] <pawan> cant connect to internet in ubuntu
[01:28] <jparkton> pawan: are you in terminal?
[01:29] <pawan> i am on windows
[01:29] <jparkton> so cant really do much
[01:29] <jparkton> you need to be in Ubuntu
[01:29] <pawan> if in ubuntu i cant get online
[01:30] <pawan> if u want some commands output
[01:30] <pawan> i can go there and post it here
[01:30] <jparkton> paste it to pastebin
[01:30] <jparkton> but yes jump in Ubuntu
[01:31] <pawan> which all commands output
[01:31] <escott> [snake], why would you do that?
[01:32] <jparkton> pawan start with ifconfig
[01:32] <[snake]> escott, no, why wouldn't you?
[01:32] <[snake]> it does it in fedora escott
[01:32] <nownot> if i chroot a sftp user and i want to link to a file i have on my system how do i go about doing this? symbolic links don't see to do the trick
[01:32] <escott> [snake], because its a stupid crazy security risk for root to be sourcing any file which is not his own
[01:32] <pawan> then
[01:32] <jparkton> [snake]: Fedora!=Ubuntu
[01:33] <[snake]> escott, that's not what I said. seriously you're like a theologian putting in words that aren't there.
[01:33] <jparkton> pawan: then paste the output of that one command in pastebin, then paste the link to that paste in the room
[01:33] <pawan> ok i go there
[01:33] <pawan> u wait
[01:33]  * jparkton flees
[01:33] <jparkton> :P
[01:33] <escott> [snake], then explain what you want to do. what other .bashrc are you talking about?
[01:34] <jparkton> ugh
[01:34] <jparkton> poor kid is going to be rebooting a million times tonight lol
[01:34] <PatrickC_> when trying to replace my wm, i get "Window manager error: Unable to open X display"
[01:35] <hwkiller-netbook> PatrickC_: how are you replacing it
[01:35] <hwkiller-netbook> literally, like "foobarwm --replace" ?
[01:35] <PatrickC_> gnome-shell --replace
[01:35] <PatrickC_> that's how i've always done it :)
[01:35] <hwkiller-netbook> try doing it w/ mutter
[01:35] <hwkiller-netbook> mutter --replace
[01:36] <hwkiller-netbook> and are you doing this from within X, or in a tty?
[01:36] <PatrickC_> installing mutter
[01:36] <[snake]> escott, I was going to make one, and color the User "root" red instead of green like I have it now. My prompt is like this for normal user: snake directory $ and like this for root: root directory # I have my user be green, and my root red. the problem is that sudo -s doesn't load root's bashrc file like su does.
[01:36] <hwkiller-netbook> you shouldn't have to install mutter...
[01:36] <hwkiller-netbook> gnome-shell uses mutter
[01:36] <PatrickC_> i'm doing this from within whatever alt+control+f1 gives you lol
[01:36] <escott> [snake], you want sudo -i
[01:36] <PatrickC_> running mutter --replace says "window manager error: unable to open X display"
[01:37] <hwkiller-netbook> Oh, so you'r ein the tty?
[01:37] <hwkiller-netbook> you're in*
[01:37] <PatrickC_> i believe so
[01:38] <PatrickC_> i hit alt+cntrl+f1
[01:38] <[snake]> escott, thanks.
[01:38] <hwkiller-netbook> you need to specify the display. PatrickC_ : gnome-shell --display=:0 --replace
[01:39] <PatrickC_> that worked! thanks!
[01:39] <hwkiller-netbook> np
[01:39] <escott> [snake], looking at http://blog.colovirt.com/2009/08/18/linux-security-sudo-sudo-su-vs-sudo-s/ i'm hard pressed to think why you would ever want sudo -s... don't know how that meme got started
[01:40] <[snake]> escott, OH... you shoul've been more clear about sudo -s vs sudo -i.... I thought you were talking about something else.
[01:41] <[snake]> escott, before, when I called you a theologian. (I was joking though don't take it wrong)
[01:41] <escott> [snake], i've never used sudo -s myself. so the behavior of it seems strange to me. clearly you want -i (i would think most people would want -i)
[01:41] <Tostada> Ubuntu 12.04... Authentication failure with the su command. Strange my password works to login but not for su. Any ideas, thanks.. : )
[01:41] <jparkton> Tostada: do you have sudo?
[01:42] <Tostada> Yes.. same thing
[01:42] <jparkton> as in is that user allowed to sudo?
[01:42] <[snake]> Tostada, you use your root password for su
[01:42] <Tostada> Thats what I'm trying to do.
[01:42] <Tostada> Not a good idea probably.
[01:43] <[snake]> escott, yeah, I would like to start using -i instead. It does what I want with the profiles as well as what you are saying; apparently it's more secure.
[01:43] <escott> !root | Tostada
[01:43] <pawan> hi
[01:43] <escott> [snake], lots of command switches. confusion happens. not a big deal
[01:44] <Tostada> ubottu .. Okay thanks I will.
[01:44] <pawan> !pastebin
[01:45] <Tostada> The admin password should work for su though right.?
[01:46] <escott> Tostada, "Realise the truth... there is no root password." ^^^
[01:46] <pawan> jparktan here the output of ifconfig
[01:46] <pawan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089083/
[01:46] <Guest1097> Tostada, why do you want to use su instead of sudo?
[01:47] <escott> Tostada, su means "try to run login" ie "ask for the users username and password"
[01:47] <Tostada> Guest1097 sudo doesn't work either.
[01:48] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, what are you trying to do?
[01:48] <min|dvir|us> Get root access?
[01:48] <Tostada> run motion
[01:49] <Tostada> Yes get root so I can run motion
[01:49] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, you don't need root to have access to the webcam.
[01:49] <berz_1>  /help filter
[01:50] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, hang on, I'll try to install it myself.
[01:51] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, looks like the program is shit.
[01:51] <min|dvir|us> Telling me my camera is in use.
[01:51] <min|dvir|us> It is not.
[01:51] <pawan> hello
[01:51] <ok_> Tostada, you should only do things as root when you know there is good reason to, not just because something doesnt seem work
[01:51] <IdleOne> min|dvir|us: Please keep the language clean in here
[01:51] <Tostada> min|dvir|us It doesn't work that good, but it works.
[01:52] <ok_> Tostada, running programs as root can let them do serious damage to your system
[01:53] <Tostada> that computer is just for learning linux so I'm not to concerned.
[01:53] <IdleOne> Tostada: if you are learning you should learn the right way from the start :)
[01:53] <Guest94029> for some reason nothing is showing up in additional drivers after installing b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer. Part of the instructions call for activating the drivers with additional drivers but only some smartmodem thing shows up. Any ideas? I'm currently on my 5th fresh install because when you go to reboot, if the firmware isn't installed, the machine becomes unbootable (freezes during boot). The thing is, I install the thing b
[01:53] <Guest94029> ut it never asks me to download the firmware nor does it show up in additional drivers and I can't use my computer
[01:53] <Tostada> I have an unbuntu 11.04 system that the admin password works for su or sudo.
[01:54] <ok_> Tostada, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[01:54] <escott> Tostada, because that person did something they shouldn't have, and which we will not explain how to do
[01:55] <ok_> Tostada, i would recommend that you completely ignore the info about activating the root user, you will almost certainly not need it
[01:55] <ok_> escott, sorry man, cat out the bag
[01:56] <ok_> Tostada, in fact, just, you will definitely not need it
[01:56] <Tostada> Okay I'll do some reading on the subject.. Thank you guys.
[01:56] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, look, that's obviously a lie.
[01:56] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, sudo -i = su.
[01:56] <FloodBot1> !netsplit
[01:56] <IdleOne> wowzer
[01:56] <escott> ok_, you didnt do anything wrong. just in channel we don't tell people. can't control what they might find online
[01:57] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, not sure if you got my last message.
[01:57] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, sudo -i = su.
[01:57] <escott> ok_, but if they find it on the community docs page they at least have to read the admonishments not to do it :)
[01:57] <ok_> escott, i just couldnt be bothered launching into the no need for root user chat
[01:58] <anthony__> how can I tell if I have xfce4-genmon-plugin installed?  I'm trying xfce and want to install http://goo.gl/TBU2J
[01:58] <justinseiter> Anyone have problems using Backup + S3?
[01:58] <Tostada> <min|dvir|us What does sudo -i = su.. do?
[01:59] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, `sudo -i` = `su`.
[01:59] <escott> anthony__, run dpkg -l "xfce4-genmon-*" and it should list the packages matching that string. if its starts with ii it is installed
[01:59] <Tostada> Oh.. it's the same thing.?
[01:59] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, god, just try it.
[01:59] <Tostada> Ok thanks.
[02:00] <min|dvir|us> Don't use su. There is no need to have a root password.
[02:00] <Guest94029> please if anyone can help
[02:00] <min|dvir|us> If you have one, disable it.
[02:00] <min|dvir|us> `usermod --help`
[02:00] <escott> Tostada, sudo -i will get you a root shell (that is properly configured for safe usage -- its better than su)
[02:01] <Tostada> min|dvir|us The same password works with sudo -i
[02:01] <anthony__> escott, thanks.   it wasn't.  I forgot I was reading an arch walkthrough and forgot about apt-get et al.  thanks for your help
[02:02] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, then your user password is the same as your root password, which is dumb.
[02:02] <min|dvir|us> Turn OFF your root password.
[02:02] <pawan> network wired connection not working
[02:02] <Tostada> Okay
[02:02] <pawan> no active devices
[02:02] <min|dvir|us> Tostada, sudo usermod -L root
[02:02] <Tostada> k, thanks
[02:02] <escott> min|dvir|us, i think Tostada was asking if his user password would work for sudo -i and the answer is "yes, because sudo always asks for the user password not the root password"
[02:04] <escott> !help | Guest94029
[02:05] <RamJett> Anyone use vhost_net with libvirt / kvm? I can not get the network to communicate with it enabled
[02:05] <pawan> hi
[02:06] <drag0nius> how to check port forwarding from ubuntu server?
[02:09] <escott> drag0nius, open a port and see if it is forwarded? im not sure what answer you are looking for here
[02:09] <escott> pawan, what does ifconfig say?
[02:10] <Guest94029> escott: sir, I did ask the question. It was the first thing I idd
[02:11] <escott> Guest94029, then repeat the question, or stay silent. uninformative "helps" are just noice. also please change your nick. Guest### is rather annoying
[02:12] <Guest94029> if there is anyone who can help me with my wireless problem I would sure appreciate that. I've been following the online instructions available (several times); but, in my case, I'm not getting the appropriate response from the system.
[02:13] <Guest94029> for some reason nothing is showing up in additional drivers after installing b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer. Part of the instructions call for activating the drivers with additional drivers but only some smartmodem thing shows up. Any ideas? I'm currently on my 5th fresh install because when you go to reboot, if the firmware isn't installed, the machine becomes unbootable (freezes during boot). The thing is, I install the thing b
[02:13] <Guest94029> ut it never asks me to download the firmware nor does it show up in additional drivers and I can't use my computer
[02:13] <jparkton> Guest94029: what are you trying to install?
[02:14] <Murd0ck> ubuntu version of alchol 120% = what?
[02:14] <jparkton> drivers yeah but drivers for what?
[02:14] <jparkton> Murd0ck: whiskey?
[02:14] <Murd0ck> is that a real program?
[02:14] <escott> Murd0ck, is that a cdburner?
[02:16] <IdleOne> !burner | Murd0ck
[02:16] <Guest94029> I have the broadcom wireless card (the 4318). I've installed the b43-fwcutter and firmware-b43-installer but am not asked to download the proprietary drivers. I purge them and do it again but to no avail. Network manager breaks the system when you reboot and it doesn't find the drivers.
[02:16] <Murd0ck> no,. it's not a burner
[02:16] <Murd0ck> it just creates a virtual CD-rom drive
[02:16] <escott> Murd0ck, this isn't 20 questions
[02:16] <Murd0ck> you know what a virtual drive is escott?
[02:17] <escott> Murd0ck, sudo mount -o loop image.iso /media/mountpoint
[02:17] <kriskrop1> ugh stupid irc flooding crap
[02:17] <jparkton> Guest94029: go to terminal and type lsmod paste it to pastebin
[02:17] <Murd0ck> escott just shut it
[02:17] <Murd0ck> looking for a GUI program
[02:17] <escott> !attitude | Murd0ck
[02:17] <GI_Jack> aparantly there is bug where QT4 doesn't work with the latest nvidia drivers
[02:17] <GI_Jack> and it all just crashes
[02:18] <Guest94029> ok
[02:18] <drag0nius> how do i stop application running from /etc/rc.local?
[02:18] <Murd0ck> !I don't want you to respond to my questions | escott
[02:18] <Murd0ck> no worries I don't
[02:18] <Guest94029> it is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089116/
[02:19]  * kriskrop1 lulzd
[02:19] <jparkton> lol
[02:19] <jparkton> nubs are cute
[02:19] <escott> Murd0ck, don't worry im not going to
[02:19] <jparkton> drag0nius: what is it you want to stop running?
[02:19] <IdleOne> Alright, everybody take a deep breath abd relax.
[02:19] <jparkton> mmmmmm
[02:19] <IdleOne> and*
[02:19] <jparkton> smog
[02:20] <drag0nius> ts3server
[02:20] <IdleOne> jparkton: Please keep the off topic commentary for #ubuntu-offtopic.
[02:20] <Murd0ck> why is it the stupid people always make you think the hardest about how their brains work?
[02:21] <IdleOne> Murd0ck: If you want help. I suggest you stop name calling now. Drop the last 3 minutes and start over fresh please.
[02:21] <jparkton> wellll
[02:21] <jparkton> guess im off for the night
[02:21] <jparkton> offtopic nazis have entered
[02:21] <kriskropd_> Murd0ck, its a paradox, its  perspective based :)
[02:22] <kriskropd_> but yeah, !ot I get it
[02:24] <Murd0ck> Gmount ISO,.. Thanks for the BS convo instead of answering a simple question... People wonder why Linux will never be as successful as mainstream,.. you wanna know why? here is a prim example. You cannot even answer a simple question
[02:25] <Murd0ck> not without a ton of unnessasary attitude and pointless gibberish
[02:25] <Murd0ck> people with money not want to hear all of that, they want quick answers
[02:25] <bazhang> Murd0ck, thats enough
[02:25] <IdleOne> people with money PAY for support
[02:26] <IdleOne> anyway...
[02:27] <mdel> so i have a weird issue with an older nvidia card... can't quite solve it
[02:27] <IdleOne> Murd0ck2: you were removed, not banned.
[02:27] <Guest94029> jparkton: I was asked to paste something. Did you happen to see it?  "it is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089116/"
[02:27] <Need2Grow> bahzang chill out
[02:27] <Need2Grow> :O~
[02:28] <bazhang> Need2Grow, stay on topic
[02:28] <Murd0ck2> irc client auto reconnects,.. minimizing window now,.. later
[02:28] <mdel> i popped a 6600LE in a dell i recently acquired, and after installing the bleeding-edge restricted drivers I'm still seeing terrible performance
[02:28] <IdleOne> Murd0ck2:  irc clients rejoin on kick, not on remove.
[02:28] <mdel> the card is old, but there is defeinitely something else going on
[02:29] <IdleOne> freenode has a nifty remove feature.
[02:30] <mdel> according to the log, its using the correct driver
[02:30] <Murd0ck2> does on mine,.. good night
[02:30] <mdel> and this driver supports my card
[02:31] <mdel> also don't see anything telling in the logs
[02:31] <bz> !paste
[02:32] <Guest94029> it's really sad. A lot of people do need concrete help and to see all the infighting. My irc client tells me how many are logged on to the channel but it doesn't say how many of those are the ones helping others. It's entirely possible there are only a handful of people helping the over 1500 people on here. We're all dealing with it. Why waste time?
[02:32] <escott> mdel, terrible performance in what exactly
[02:32] <mdel> escott: that was vague on my part.... its not really terrible "performance" everything is just glitched out
[02:32] <mdel> booted to unity 2d
[02:32] <Guest94029> If anyone get's a chance I need help with my wireless
[02:32] <mdel> no panels appear
[02:32] <Guest94029> and I do appreciate it - I do
[02:32] <escott> Guest94029, not everyone knows the answer to everything. im not at all familiar with broadcom (is that what that is)
[02:32] <mdel> no gtk windows open
[02:32] <mdel> 1 sec on log
[02:33] <escott> mdel, do they appear later?
[02:33] <Guest94029> yeah. That card has been a problem for many many years. I've always been able to just do the workaround but it's not working this time.
[02:34] <mdel> escott: its weird... it did once, not appearing now
[02:34] <escott> mdel, have you tried unity --reset?
[02:34] <mdel> before I was able to click it even though it wasn't "there" and open the dash
[02:34] <mdel> cant open a term... i'll try to target that display over ssh
[02:34] <escott> mdel, you can run that on the cli (ctrl-alt-f1)
[02:34] <mdel> cant
[02:35] <escott> mdel, ctrl-alt-f7 to get back
[02:35] <mdel> the monitor isn't outputting the console on any other level
[02:35] <mdel> not sure why
[02:35] <mdel> i assumed it was related
[02:36] <mdel> escott: it actually worked over ssh
[02:36] <escott> mdel, that would probably have something to do with the proprietary drivers
[02:36] <mdel> i've never had a problem running nvidia prop drivers with a newer integrated chio
[02:36] <mdel> chip*
[02:36] <mdel> so perhaps this is a problem with older cards like this
[02:37] <escott> mdel, or the new in kernel modesetting
[02:38] <mdel> http://pastie.org/private/wuk5tasr2nnega0tg9acfq
[02:38] <mdel> thats my log from resetting unity
[02:38] <mdel> some weirdness there as well.. perhaps the card is truely just old :(
[02:38] <liveoutloud91> hey all!
[02:39] <GI_Jack> sup
[02:39] <liveoutloud91> Just installed Xubuntu for the first time
[02:40] <escott> mdel, im not really sure what it should say there. i suspect its an issue with your user config files. you could nuke .config and .gconf or just create a new user and see if the new user is affected
[02:40] <escott> liveoutloud91, congrats.. is there a problem we can help you with
[02:41] <liveoutloud91> um...no. I'm guessing this is a strictly support channel?
[02:41] <escott> liveoutloud91, yes. #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[02:42] <liveoutloud91> Alrighty. Happy Linux-ing!
[02:42] <mdel> escott: what switches does ubuntu use for useradd, do you know?
[02:43] <mdel> useradd -m -s/bin.bash -G<user> user ?
[02:43] <mdel> err, pathfail on bash
[02:43] <escott> mdel, use adduser instead of useradd. some useful groups are plugdev cdrom etc, but it shouldn't really matter as you aren't going to use this user
[02:44] <mdel> gotcha just wanted to be sure I didn't miss some default
[02:46] <mdel> just played around with killing unity panel and restarting... its working "better" now but its still totally unusable and glitched out
[02:46] <mdel> im only bringing this up because it is odd, and i've seen some really weird behavior monkeying around with X over the years
[02:47] <mdel> sidenote: I have 2 of these cards, only 1 installed...and I have the same behavior on both
[02:47] <epimeth> hi all... I just built myself a media center and connected it to my hdtv but the resolution in the cli is wrong... googling only made me think it is impossible to have a 16:9 resolution in my ttys!  any help?
[02:47] <mdel> I'm going to boot livecd and see what happens on a clean system
[02:48] <escott> epimeth, what graphics card do you have? are you using proprietary drivers?
[02:48] <epimeth> msi r6450
[02:49] <Babygirl> i was just reading about this flash player protected mode,,,,does that applies to linux also,,,,,if yes,,can i disable it,,,,i disable it on my windows 7 desktop and i can play games better on facebook
[02:49] <escott> epimeth, is that a radeon? are you using fglrx?
[02:49] <epimeth> yes its a radeon
[02:49] <epimeth> escott: I don't know....
[02:50] <epimeth> escott: this is a command line only system (for now)
[02:51] <escott> epimeth, recent kernels do their own modesetting, not sure how well that works with radeon. presumably you dont have fglrx installed. you might be able to pass the kernel a vga parameter
[02:51] <chaslinux> epimeth dsub/vga, dvi or hdmi cable?
[02:51] <epimeth> escott: I'm not even sure the correct drivers are installed... I literally *just* installed the system over a flash drive and the tasksel step failed, so it is literally only the base linux system
[02:51] <epimeth> chaslinux: hdmi
[02:52] <epimeth> escott: I figured I would pass it a vga param, yes, but all the googling I have done has made it pretty clear there IS no vga param for an HDTV
[02:52] <chaslinux> epimeth I ask because my Samsung manual says my TV does a max of 1366x768 with "computer connection," but does 1080p if I connect 1080p blueray via hdmi
[02:52] <Babygirl> does linux flash player have a protected mode for firefox like it does in windows ?
[02:54] <epimeth> chaslinux: hey, I don't care WHAT the resolution is, as long as I can actually see the entire tty on the screen.  right now about 5 characters are cut off on the right and an entire line is cut off at the bottom (so I can't see what I'm typing when the screen is full)
[02:54] <epimeth> sorry, 5 characters are cut off on the LEFT
[02:54] <escott> epimeth, you could always type "clear" (not the best solution i know)
[02:55] <chaslinux> epimeth ah gottcha... I've run into that before with Panasonic TVs... didn't solve it sorry.
[02:55] <epimeth> escott: thats what I've been doing, but that doesn't fix the left :-)
[02:55] <epimeth> chaslinux: damnit! Its a panasonic :-(
[02:55] <chaslinux> epimeth doesn't mean you won't solve it...
[02:55] <chaslinux> epimeth I only had an hour to solve the problem and had to do it among many other requests at our shop.
[02:56] <epimeth> is there any way to change the resolution on the fly?  IE not reboot to check every vga= attempt?
[02:56] <escott> epimeth, stty columns ##
[02:56] <escott> epimeth, theres a hack for everything
[02:56] <epimeth> lol excellent
[02:57] <chaslinux> epimeth if you solve it would be nice if you blog it...
[02:57] <epimeth> lol, nope.... still cut off on the left
[02:57] <TheDruidsKeeper> Babygirl: I use chromium, and i dont see any flash setting for protected mode. i assume FF would be the same
[02:58] <escott> epimeth, right at the left... sorry was thinking the right
[02:58] <epimeth> chaslinux: yea, I'm just gonna install X and let xorg take care of it... hopefully I'll not have to use the terminal too much
[02:58] <escott> epimeth, add some tabs to you $PS1
[02:58] <epimeth> escott: yea, I said the right by accident at first
[02:59] <epimeth> escott: won't help... I can see the command I'm typing in just fine as $PS1 is long enough as it is... I just won't be able to see, say, what the process id is when I $ps
[02:59] <escott> epimeth, i wonder if the TV is zooming to make it wide screen. some TVs do that... others just overscan in weird ways
[03:00] <epimeth> well anyway, I'm sure xorg will take care of it once its installed, and hopefully I won't have to use my tty much.  NOW:   Who knows stuff about ubuntu-tv?
[03:01] <epimeth> cuz #ubuntu-tv is pretty dead
[03:01] <epimeth> or at least was last night so fuggit
[03:01] <epimeth> ;-)
[03:01] <epimeth> !ubuntu-tv
[03:01] <epimeth> !ubuntutv
[03:02] <Babygirl> TheDruidsKeeper, take a look at this = http://forums.adobe.com/message/4476911
[03:02] <epimeth> damnit ubotto, you're useless!!
[03:02] <GI_Jack> does anyone know a work around for binary nvidia drivers and qt4
[03:02] <Babygirl> i have no clue if i have flash player 13,,how to find out ?
[03:03] <TheDruidsKeeper> Babygirl: ah, that makes more sense. that won't be needed on linux though, as the release notes says it was for windows only
[03:03] <alazare619> aynone know of a decent qt based ftp/sftp/scp/fxp client ?
[03:04] <epimeth> Babygirl: google "flash version" ... the first/second/third link (it changes) is always a link to the adobe page that will bring up a flash app that will show you what version you are running
[03:04] <escott> Babygirl, you probably don't i'm up to date and i only have 11.2
[03:04] <TheDruidsKeeper> Babygirl: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[03:04] <epimeth> Babygirl: what he said :-D
[03:05] <epimeth> so no takers on ubuntu tv?
[03:05] <Babygirl> so we dont have to worrried about this protected mode yet,,is from the 11.3 UP
[03:05] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth: i'm looking at the site now on that, hadn't seen it before
[03:06] <escott> Babygirl, probably never going to have to worry about it. adobe is winding down flash development
[03:06] <Babygirl> hopefully ubuntu developers take the time to give us a option to disable this new Flash Player protected jmode feature
[03:07] <Babygirl> greate
[03:07] <TheDruidsKeeper> Babygirl: we probably don't have to worry about protected mode ever.. linux doesn't share window's innate security problems
[03:07] <TheDruidsKeeper> and flash is a thing of the past, html5 is going to replace it
[03:07] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: yea I read about it a little while back and when I decided to build a media box a month ago I figured it might be fun to try... however its not really ready yet, I don't think... will probably install xbmc as a stopgap
[03:08] <chaslinux> epimeth running ubuntu 10.04 netbook remix autoloading XBMC on a netbook connected to our 42" Samsung TV here (via dsub/vga) and it's been great - don't think I'd want a separate 'buntu TV.
[03:08] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: As a web developer, I can't back that up completely... html5 still has a LONG way to go, as I painfully learned this month trying to create a specialized video player
[03:08] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth: i set my htpc up with mythbuntu.. it's good, but not overly impressive
[03:09] <epimeth> chaslinux: fiiiiine... I'll just install xbmc... would you sugest ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop for it?  I personally am much more comfy with kde (and haven't even tried ubiquity yet), but I'm not sure about the overhead?
[03:10] <Anxi80> I installed java 6 in a folder and added the bin path to the PATH variable in /etc/environment. Calls to java from terminal work but when I execute a bin file it fails to see a java VM.
[03:10] <chaslinux> epimeth stick with what you like.
[03:10] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth: it does still have a long way to go, but all signs point to it being the future. adobe has announced that they will not be porting flash to any new platforms, and google is pushing html5. for the past decade google has been setting the standards, and i would expect that trend to continue
[03:10] <chaslinux> Latest XBMC had a huge performance increase over older versions...
[03:11] <TheDruidsKeeper> people didn't think chrome would beat ie's market share any time soon either, but it made that benchmark this year
[03:11] <chaslinux> XBMC 11 was *much* faster than 10.x on my netbook.
[03:11] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: I totally agree, but if the current rate of adoption continues we still have a long way to go... and until then flash is the only solution for many things
[03:12] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth: what kind of web dev do you do?
[03:13] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: that is actually not true.... read up on it a little more, you'll see that that claim is true in that chrome is the most widely used browser by counting individual page hits, not by counting individual users.  meaning chrome users surf more, but IE is still installed more
[03:13] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth: touche
[03:14] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: I'm frontend and backend, and can administer a server.  Mostly LAMP, but comfy with WAMP and have dabbled in .NET/IIS (tho lord knows I would never use it unless absolutely necessary... every day I use it I like it less)
[03:14] <Pihro> hello all i just got xfce4 on my ubuntu 11.10 and i can barely see because of horribly fuzzy text
[03:15] <epimeth> so general consensus:  MythTV or XBMC?  Considering there are a million XBMC remotes for android I should probably use that, no?
[03:17] <TheDruidsKeeper> xbmc definitely has the advantage when it comes to UI, some awesome themes are available, and there are plenty of rc apps. i dont think xbmc can record live tv though, so mythtv makes a good back end to it
[03:18] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: well I have a blackmagic intensity card, their software should take care of my live tv recording needs, no?
[03:19] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth: thats just for capture, but the software is still needed for record & playback
[03:20] <GI_Jack> anyone have a work around for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/927288
[03:20] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO:Watch_TV_in_XBMC it looks like xbmc doesn't even handle decoding live streams either
[03:21] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: well thats what I'm saying... the blackmagic software should handle the recording/playback and I can just watch from there, no?
[03:22] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: And I preordered a LeapMotion so once that gets here I'll put it on my coffee table and be AWESOME :-D
[03:23] <designbybeck> Skype ver4, Crashes on Ubuntu 12.04
[03:23] <designbybeck> Anyone else having the problem, I'm trying to help my sister out over the phone
[03:23] <designbybeck> I tried "skype --disable-api" as noted in one forum
[03:24] <designbybeck> still crashed.... also ran ia32-mulitarch as stated in the form and that didn't work either
[03:25] <JuniorHkn> Hello, could someone help me?
[03:26] <designbybeck> Skipe just says Aborted (core dump) on Skype 4
[03:27] <JuniorHkn> when starting live cd, I get the following error
[03:27] <JuniorHkn>  (initramfs) mount: mounting / dev/loop0 on / / filesystem.squashfs failed: Input / output error
[03:27] <JuniorHkn> Can not mount / dev/loop0 (/ cdrom / casper / filesystem.squashfs) on / / filesystem.squashfs
[03:27] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth: it looks like you should be able to use xbmc with the blackmagic pvr.. i'm using a tv capture card in mine, so i guess my setup is pretty different
[03:27] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth:  that leapmotion will be pretty intense though :D
[03:28] <mdel> could a bios update fix graphics issues?
[03:32] <olio> best laptop for ubuntu ?
[03:32] <ganster> JuniorHkn, create  a bootable flashdisk then make it there some crashes with the cd
[03:34] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: yes it will :-D ... hope they aren't lying when they say they will release with linux support :-(
[03:34] <TheDruidsKeeper> epimeth: guess you'll find out soon enough ;)
[03:35] <Nom-> Hey guys, i'm trying to get my preseed file to install ubuntu-minimal and NOT ubuntu-standard, but the old ways don't seem to be working for me
[03:35] <Nom-> Anyone got a working preseed?
[03:35] <epimeth> olio:  People might yell at me for this, but the only problem I've ever had with linux on dells is wireless broadcom cards, but that was like 6 or 7 years ago
[03:36] <epimeth> TheDruidsKeeper: not soon enough... I'll give you 3:1 odds they don't ship before the new year!
[03:36] <TheDruidsKeeper> :-/
[03:37] <olio> epimeth: ya ! i agree with you .
[03:38] <epimeth> olio: so why ask? :-D
[03:38] <olio> epimeth:  don't worry , no one yell on you . you are free to put your feeling out
[03:38] <bazhang> !ot
[03:38] <olio> epimeth: i found ubuntu ,gave less power backup
[03:40] <zorg24> anyone here happen to have an aspire 3820t (or similar) because I'm having issues with power management (mainly I don't think its actually going to sleep)
[03:43] <tal> Ubuntu version?
[03:44] <caf4926> running: sudo apt-get update
[03:44] <caf4926> I get
[03:44] <caf4926> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[03:45] <arooni-mobile> anyone have a namepros account?  i need to post a logo design contest but lack the 10 days to get it started
[03:45] <caf4926> I am currently getting a system notiice of a sytem problem
[03:45] <bazhang> !ot | arooni-mobile
[03:45] <bazhang> caf4926, another process is running. let that finish first
[03:46] <caf4926> bazhang, umm
[03:46] <caf4926> but this problem is persistant even on re-boot
[03:50] <epimeth> caf4926: you have a program running that is locking the installer
[03:50] <caf4926> any way to identify?
[03:51] <epimeth> caf4926: oh, $ sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:51] <zorg24> how do you make it so you can run a program without typing out the full path, like adding it to your system path on windows
[03:52] <epimeth> zorg24: add the folder it is in to your $PATH, or create a symlink to the program in one of the folders already in the $PATH
[03:53] <zorg24> epimeth, I'm still new to linux how do you do this?  and you can you explain what each part of the command is doing please
[03:54] <epimeth> zorg24: but really, unless you are creating your own program any program you install should be in your $PATH
[03:54] <epimeth> zorg24: http://nixtricks.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/ubuntu-unlock-varlibdpkglock-when-youre-locked-out/
[03:56] <zorg24> epimeth, its a fairly new functional programming language, julia, as of now it has to be compiled if you want to use it...
[03:57] <zorg24> epimeth that article doesn't seem relevant since it isn't a package
[03:57] <winchat> http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/3/22/3282014/zeta_theta.pdf
[03:58] <winchat> so difficult :)
[04:00] <TheDruidsKeeper> anyone here setup a hypervisor vm on their desktop with 3d gaming support?
[04:00] <zorg24> so epimeth should the command be something like:   export PATH=/home/zorg24/julia:$PATH
[04:01] <epimeth> zorg24: that last message was for caf4926 :-/
[04:02] <zorg24> epimeth, oh makes sense; but did the command I said above look right?
[04:02] <epimeth> zorg24: thats exactly how to add to your path, but that will go away when you reboot.  add that line to your .bashrc
[04:02] <caf4926> epimeth, Yes I'm just waiting on something before I go ahead
[04:02] <zorg24> epimeth, ok thanks
[04:02] <epimeth> zorg24: actually, backwards
[04:02] <epimeth> zorg24: export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/what/you/want
[04:03] <epimeth> caf4926: so you *are* currently installing something!
[04:03] <zorg24> epimeth, oh ok
[04:03] <caf4926> epimeth, running this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh -a
[04:03] <epimeth> caf4926: just wait til its done and then you can go ahead and do whatever command you were doing
[04:03] <caf4926> advice from the forum
[04:04] <epimeth> zorg24: it doesn't really matter, but its best practice to append to your path as opposed to prepend
[04:04] <zorg24> epimeth, ok I guess I'll follow the convention then
[04:05] <zorg24> epimeth, for adding it to .bashrc where should I put it?  at the end?
[04:08] <nicolaskoukidis> http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/8342/londongif200x197.gif
[04:08] <epimeth> zorg24: yep
[04:08] <epimeth> zorg24: then logout and log back in
[04:09] <zorg24> epimeth ok thanks
[04:10] <dominobuntu> Hey guys. I just tried to install Quake 4 on Ubuntu 12.04 and after launching it destroyed the resolution on my monitors. I rebooted and now when the computer boots it just goes straight to command line, no GUI. If i CTRL+ALT+F7 it shows progress but is hung after starting LightDM
[04:10] <dominobuntu> Any ideas?
[04:11] <epimeth> dominobuntu: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:11] <hwkiller-netbook> can you upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin site? (www.nopaste.org)
[04:12] <dominobuntu> Ok, one sec epimeth
[04:13] <dominobuntu> hwkiller-netbook, I'm rebooting after the dpkg-reconfig and if it still isn't up I'll see if i can. What is the best way to get to it from command line?
[04:14] <dominobuntu> Still not up :/
[04:14] <hwkiller-netbook> hmm... can someone check whether nopaste or pastebinit is in the apt repos?
[04:14] <trism> !pastebinit
[04:14] <epimeth> dominobuntu: http://linuxers.org/article/pastebinit-command-line-pastebin-client
[04:14] <epimeth> heh, trism beat me to it
[04:14] <dominobuntu> Awesome! Thanks guys
[04:15] <hwkiller-netbook> so just run "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com"
[04:15] <dominobuntu> Ok , one sec - lemme finish installing the package
[04:16] <dominobuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089214/
[04:17] <Hwkiller> this doesn't seem like the whole thing...
[04:17] <Hwkiller> so it locks up?
[04:17] <Hwkiller> as in, you can't enter another tty (ctrl alt f2-f6) ?
[04:17] <dominobuntu> During boot it fails to start GUI and drops me at the command line
[04:17] <dominobuntu> I can use all up to f7, where it shows the failed progress to start x server
[04:17] <Hwkiller> do you have a /var/log/lightdm.log ? not sure if that exists
[04:18] <trism> dominobuntu: if lightdm is actually failing to start, the logs in /var/log/lightdm/ may be useful as well (there are separate xorg logs there as well)
[04:18] <dominobuntu> Got it in lighted. Want lighted.log, x-0-greeter.log x-0 or x-1.log?
[04:18] <dominobuntu> This all happened after trying to start Q4 for the first time. When it took the monitor I guess it had an issue with my ATI driver and crashed, causing something to panic and refuse to start the X server
[04:19] <Hwkiller> is there a folder called /var/log/lightdm ?
[04:19] <dominobuntu> Yes
[04:19] <Hwkiller> and those are the files?
[04:19] <dominobuntu> Yep, lightdm.log x-0-greeter.log x-0.log x-1.log in /var/log/lightdm
[04:20] <Hwkiller> "cat /var/log/lightdm/*.log | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com"
[04:21] <dominobuntu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089217
[04:23] <arooni-mobile> hey folks;  running ubuntu 10.04 LTS;  i want to get php-fpm + nginx.  i already have nginx setup... but trying to figure out how to get php-fpm.  ideas?
[04:24] <Hwkiller> dominobuntu: see if this gets you into your desktop at least. "ck-launch-session dbus-launch xinit $(unity)"
[04:25] <dominobuntu> Hwkiller, Nope. Sitting at the same place as before but now I've lost control of changing TTYs and have to reboot I assume
[04:25] <Hwkiller> so it's not a lightdm issue at all; that's a pain
[04:25] <Hwkiller> anyone here know what the ati/amd driver package name is? maybe he can dpkg-reconfigure that stuff
[04:26] <dominobuntu> I downloaded the proprietary one from the ATI web site… I still have the driver package in my folder if you think I should reinstall it?
[04:27] <dominobuntu> Reinstalling ATI/AMD right now… didn't even think of it!
[04:28] <histo> dominobuntu: is it possible that you isntalled a kernel update also?  That would hos eyour propriatary driver
[04:28] <Hwkiller> dominobuntu: I'm honestly not sure; it sounds like it's trying to start an X mode that can't be done
[04:28] <Hwkiller> so it's failing
[04:28] <Hwkiller> osm
[04:28] <Hwkiller> err..
[04:29] <Hwkiller> isn't there an "ubuntu" way of installing those drivers?
[04:29] <dominobuntu> I'm fairly certain I didn't install any kernel updates. The quake 4 attempt hosed my resolution down to like 640x480 so I rebooted to fix it and it's not letting me back into any X server
[04:29] <Hwkiller> i.e., not by using the .run?
[04:29] <bretth> pressing print-screen-request wont take a snap shot!?
[04:29] <dominobuntu> Over 2 installations on 2 computer I haven't had the ubuntu proprietary driver thing work yet
[04:30] <Hwkiller> dominobuntu: can you type "ls /etc/X11/* | pastebinit" ?
[04:30] <dominobuntu> !!
[04:30] <dominobuntu> Reinstalling the drivers fixed it
[04:30] <Hwkiller> ah good
[04:30] <dominobuntu> Can't believe I didn't try that before jumping in here
[04:31] <Hwkiller> there was an xorg server update recently
[04:31] <Hwkiller> that's probably why
[04:31] <dominobuntu> Ah. That's why I keep the .run on hand :P
[04:31] <Hwkiller> sigh.. ati drivers
[04:31] <dominobuntu> I wish they would work properly. The initial install with nomodeset was an even bigger pain
[04:33] <dominobuntu> Thanks a ton for the help everybody, hope I don't have to be in here on the receiving end for a while
[04:34] <arooni-mobile> hey folks;  running ubuntu 10.04 LTS;  i want to get php-fpm + nginx.  i already have nginx setup... but trying to figure out how to get php-fpm.  ideas?
[04:37] <histo> arooni-mobile: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=php-fpm
[04:37] <arooni-mobile> histo, oh man; thanks for that useful help.
[04:38] <histo> arooni-mobile: it's also bundled with php 5.3.3+
[04:38] <arooni-mobile> im aware;  but php5 on 10.04 package is 5.3.2
[04:38] <arooni-mobile> so not sure whether to compile from source, use a ppa, or try to ugprade php
[04:38] <histo> arooni-mobile: there's a patch on the php-fpm site also
[04:38] <arooni-mobile> there are three options
[04:38] <IanWizard-Cloud> Is there any way I can make a public folder on my U1?  Just for dropping files, then linking to the folder.
[04:38] <histo> arooni-mobile: or you can search apt-cache for a php-gpm package
[04:39] <histo> IanWizard-Cloud: u1?
[04:39] <ganster> ADIOS AMIGO
[04:39] <arooni-mobile> histo, exactly;  3 choices;   not sure whta to go with
[04:39] <IanWizard-Cloud> ubuntu one
[04:39] <IanWizard-Cloud> histo: ^
[04:40] <histo> arooni-mobile: I would search apt first. If it's not there I would installed the patch from their site or search the ubuntu forums. I'm sure someone has done it.
[04:43] <arooni-mobile> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:brianmercer/php [04:44] <arooni-mobile> fixed
[04:57] <drennen> Can my brother (running windows 7) use a printer connected to my computer (ubuntu)?
[04:57] <bretth> drennen, try samba
[04:58] <drennen> googling samba. Thanks bretth
[05:02] <jagginess> does he need samba or cups?
[05:02] <hwkiller-netbook> yes
[05:02]  * jagginess thinks drennen, needs both samba and cups..
[05:03] <hwkiller-netbook> samba for the connection, cups to handle the queue
[05:03] <hwkiller-netbook> cups is already installed most likely
[05:03] <hwkiller-netbook> samba probably is too to be honest
[05:03] <drennen> samba isnt
[05:03] <hwkiller-netbook> i'm surprised
[05:04] <drennen> if cups means common unix printing server, then no, it wasnt
[05:04] <drennen> found it in the software center
[05:04] <hwkiller-netbook> why do you have a printer hooked up without cups?
[05:04] <drennen> so it will be soon
[05:04] <drennen> i am still new to ubuntu
[05:04] <drennen> dont know most the software
[05:05] <hwkiller-netbook> have you been printing on that printer from ubuntu?
[05:05] <drennen> yes
[05:05] <hwkiller-netbook> I'm just surprised you haven't had issues withotu cups installed... that's totally weird
[05:05] <drennen> well, when i run out of luck, i unconsciencely siphon luck from the cosmos, which keeps my weirdness facter at max constantly
[05:15] <S0undwave> Can someone please explain to me the function of a DHCP server?
[05:20] <hwkiller-netbook> S0undwave: a dhcp server listens for dhcp client requests. it then tells the clients "hey, here's a free IP address and DNS Information for you to use, so that your user doesn't have to bother with manually configuring ip addresses and resolv.conf"
[05:20] <hwkiller-netbook> Without dhcp, each computer must have its own static IP assigned to it by an admin. With dhcp, each computer can just say "hey, give me an IP", and the dhcp server will do so.
[05:21] <S0undwave> hwkiller-netbook: I gotcha. Reason I'm asking is because I found an old laptop of mine and decided to install Ubuntu Server on it, but the configuration for DHCP won't work correctly and I'm not sure how to configure it manually.
[05:23] <hwkiller-netbook> I don't know anything about how to configure named/dhcpd
[05:23] <hwkiller-netbook> I just know their purpose
[05:23] <hwkiller-netbook> I took the easy route and used amahi :)
[05:24] <arooni-mobile> hey folks;  i noticed that i need this line of config to get nginx running correctly:  "include /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params"; ... but my version of nginx doesnt seem to have it (i installed from source via passenger phusion; installed to /opt/nginx/ but i only  have /opt/nginx/fastcgi_temp and no fastcgi_params
[05:24] <ganster> The national debt stock rose from $8.47 billion (Sh13.55 trillion) in July 2009 to $12.56 billion (Sh20.1 trillion) this May,
[05:30] <mdel> so my video card and the xorg in 12.04 don't play well together... opinions for what I should do?
[05:30] <mdel> downgrade to 11.10, or switch to debian...
[05:30] <hwkiller-netbook> mdel: got an ati card I'm guessing?
[05:30] <mdel> no, older nvidia actually
[05:30] <hwkiller-netbook> how old
[05:30] <hwkiller-netbook> (what's the model)
[05:31] <mdel> on-board ati card works, but performance is pretty bad
[05:31] <mdel> GeForce 6600LE
[05:31] <mdel> its listed as supported...
[05:31] <hwkiller-netbook> oh, that should work fine
[05:31] <mdel> but i just read all about the issues with it
[05:31] <hwkiller-netbook> that's still covered by the latest drivers
[05:31] <mdel> it _should_ work, but it actually doesn't
[05:31] <mdel> ill get src..
[05:32] <mdel> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=179489
[05:33] <mdel> im seeing the same behaviour as several in the thread
[05:33] <mdel> panels not showing (dock is black and top bar is translucent)
[05:33] <Nuclear-muffin27> what is temp.x?
[05:33] <tdog02> installed 64-bit with 8Gb of RAM and it is only showing 4
[05:33] <hwkiller-netbook> I don't get it, why are they using a legacy driver?
[05:34] <hwkiller-netbook> the latest drivers support the 6600 LE
[05:34] <hwkiller-netbook> legacy drivers are for the FX series
[05:34] <mdel> Nuclear-muffin27: not sure I'm able to tell
[05:34] <mdel> i dont think my board supports temp
[05:34] <Nuclear-muffin27> mdel, Is it something important?
[05:34] <mdel> i have 2 of the same card, both showing the same
[05:35] <mdel> so its certainly software related
[05:35] <Nuclear-muffin27> mdel, ok thank you
[05:35] <mdel> live cd wont run, just shows borked gtk window and square cursor
[05:35] <hwkiller-netbook> mdel: which drivers did you install?
[05:35] <hwkiller-netbook> even the nvidia 302 driver supports that model, and that's a brand new release
[05:36] <mdel> the fallback drivers work if I deactivate the 295 nvidia driver, but its slower than the onboard ati at that point
[05:36] <hwkiller-netbook> mdel: what do you use your computer for?
[05:36] <hwkiller-netbook> if you don't do gaming or need high-end video acceleration, nouveau would work
[05:38] <mdel> again, I doubt it would work any better than the onboard
[05:38] <hwkiller-netbook> Not sure
[05:38] <mdel> this card is actually pretty decently specced, so I'm hoping to get it working 100%
[05:38] <hwkiller-netbook> How did you install the nvidia drivers
[05:38] <mdel> like I said, I can go back to an earlier release for an older xorg
[05:38] <mdel> that would probably work
[05:38] <mdel> but not ideal obv
[05:39] <tdog02> clean install of 12.04 and system still only recognizing 4GB out of 8GB, any suggestions on getting it to recognize all 8?
[05:39] <hwkiller-netbook> tdog02: are you installing 32bit ubuntu and not using PAE?
[05:39] <mdel> hwkiller-netbook: both from jockey and nvidia-current
[05:39] <hwkiller-netbook> nvidia-current is a ppa I'm guessing?
[05:39] <tdog02> installed 64
[05:40] <hwkiller-netbook> err no, nvm, that is actually a pacakge (sorry, not on ubuntu right now)
[05:40] <mdel> yeah its here
[05:40] <mdel> i'll try something on a live cd, maybe 11.10
[05:40] <mdel> live usb #its2012
[05:41] <olio> voice recognisation ? on ubuntu ?
[05:41] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook: system should recognize all 8 w/ 64bit right?
[05:41] <hwkiller-netbook> yes, tdog02
[05:41] <mdel> i do think its the same situation as those on the thread I posted... you might have seen that an nvidia dev mentioned they were working on a fix, but that was 4 months ago
[05:42] <hwkiller-netbook> mdel: you *could* try installing the 302
[05:42] <hwkiller-netbook> just for giggles since the install is broken anyway
[05:42] <mdel> install is fine if I just toss the ati drivers back on and disable the pci slot
[05:42] <hwkiller-netbook> http://www.unixmen.com/nvidia-302-17-has-been-released-install-in-ubuntu12-04-linuxmint13-fedora17/
[05:43] <mdel> that being said, i'm fine wit doing it
[05:43] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook:  next steps on troubleshooting?
[05:43] <rgenito_> when i run "sudo apt-get install" from a headless machine i am ssh'd into (at my office), i get the error: "E: Encountered a section with no Package: header"
[05:43] <hwkiller-netbook> tdog02: how are you viewing your ram?
[05:43] <rgenito_> ....i'm starting to feel like i cannot connect to any internet @_@
[05:43] <rgenito_> (from that machine)
[05:44] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook: system monitor
[05:44] <hwkiller-netbook> tdog02: do you have pastebinit installed?
[05:45] <arooni-mobile> trying to get php-fpm running on ubuntu 10.04.  apparently im supposed to add this ppa: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nginx/php5 .. but i get this result: Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~nginx/+archive/php5 .. ideas?
[05:45] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook:  no
[05:46] <hwkiller-netbook> tdog02: install pastebinit and run: cat $(uname -a) $(free -m)|pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[05:46] <hwkiller-netbook> err no
[05:46] <hwkiller-netbook> tdog02: install pastebinit and run: echo $(uname -a) $(free -m)|pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[05:47] <mdel> hwkiller-netbook: can't get either version to activate now
[05:48] <hwkiller-netbook> mdel: ? what have you blacklisted, do you have an xorg.conf or an xorg.conf.d in /etc/X11
[05:49] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook: i'm still a bit of a noob.  pastebinit is now installed and i'm trying to run the commands you pasted.  please bear with me
[05:51] <hwkiller-netbook> it should give you a URL
[05:54] <mdel> hwkiller-netbook: fixed it, ppa was busted
[05:54] <mdel> still running like its 1995
[05:55] <olio> best laptop having good  battery backup on running ubuntu on it
[05:55] <hwkiller-netbook> can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[05:55] <hwkiller-netbook> mdel: ^
[05:55] <mdel> yeah 1 min
[05:56] <jaywink> hi all. Anyone know what might be wrong, I lost all icons on the Unity launcher and the Alt-Tab changer .. everything works, icons just invisible. tried "unity --reset-icons" to no avail
[05:56] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook:  i can't get that command line to run
[05:56] <hwkiller-netbook> tdog02: install pastebinit and run: echo "$(uname -a) $(free -m)" | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[05:56] <hwkiller-netbook> try that one then
[05:57] <jaywink> I have x-org-edgers so could be something from there, but just thinking if someone else has had the same issue
[05:57] <mdel> hwkiller-netbook: 1089291
[05:58] <tdog02> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089294/
[05:59] <hwkiller-netbook> mdel: this says that nvidia isn't installed
[05:59] <hwkiller-netbook> your kernel driver isn't there
[06:00] <hwkiller-netbook> tdog02: I honestly have no clue. I've never heard of that problem. do other OS's pick it up?
[06:00] <rgenito_> how can i check what DNS servers my ubuntu machine is using?
[06:01] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook:  this was a windows machine prior to this and it recognized all 8
[06:02] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook:  they are 4GBx2.  I have two other slots open, maybe i'll try those two and see if it is a mb issue
[06:02] <mdel> hwkiller-netbook: they are installed, afaict
[06:02] <mdel> perhaps just not being loaded
[06:03] <hwkiller-netbook> EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[06:03] <hwkiller-netbook> [    17.714] (EE) NVIDIA:     system's kernel log for additional error messages.
[06:03] <mdel> hwkiller-netbook: it says "compatible" x driver not found... perhaps the one installed is not
[06:04] <hwkiller-netbook> (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0)
[06:04] <mdel> hm
[06:04] <hwkiller-netbook> both of those are part of the nvidia package, one is the kernel, one is the xorg. neither are there
[06:04] <olio> set string = "tictacktok";  echo "${string:2:1}"     output :   nothing : (   , whats wrong with this code
[06:04] <mdel> not sure why it wouldn't be installed
[06:04] <mdel> olio: its being posted in the wrong channel :)
[06:05] <olio> ops ! mdel
[06:07] <hwkiller-netbook> olio: that you're using "set"
[06:07] <mdel> hwkiller-netbook: i dunno man, its installde
[06:07] <mdel> nvidia-current nvidia-settings
[06:07] <mdel> what else
[06:08] <hwkiller-netbook> mdel: dpkg -L nvidia-current|pastebinit
[06:09] <mdel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089303/
[06:09] <mdel> 302 :)
[06:11] <olio> is their any free voice recognisation software on ubuntu like window hava
[06:11] <Kartagis> there*
[06:12] <fidel> ahoi
[06:12] <olio> ok ! any free voice recognisation software on ubuntu like window 7
[06:13] <dassie> I have this iomega NAS, I wanna do a direct wired transfer but I only have an ethernet cable. All my usb cables have connectors for cellphones on the other ends. Is there anyway I can use an ethernet cable to do the transfer instead?
[06:13] <Kartagis> good morning. I did something to cairo-dock (I don't know/remember what it is) and now I don't see a program's additional windows. what can I do?
[06:13] <Kartagis> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpeechRecognition/
[06:13] <Kartagis> olio: ^
[06:14] <dassie> Also, I wasn't sure if it was on-topic or not, but I am using ubuntu...
[06:14] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook:  ok...i'm an idiot lol
[06:14] <hwkiller-netbook> what tdog02 ?
[06:14] <tdog02> hwkiller-netbook:  RAM stick said 4GB on it and in smaller letters it said 2GBx2
[06:14] <tdog02> only had 4gb to begin with
[06:15] <hwkiller-netbook> mdel: I don't see where it installed the kernel driver
[06:15] <tdog02> confused this pc with another in the house
[06:15] <tdog02> i appreciate your assistance though :)
[06:16] <hwkiller-netbook> I don't know how dkms works w/ it though, mdel
[06:16] <hwkiller-netbook> it might move it there itself
[06:16] <hwkiller-netbook> actually no
[06:16] <hwkiller-netbook> it's really not there; there is no *.ko
[06:16] <mdel> weird
[06:23] <mdel> uninstalled 302, i'll roll back
[06:23] <mdel> not sure what else I can do
[06:23] <mdel> might need debian 6
[06:23] <mdel> its not fun it seems to rip out and downgrade xorg
[06:24] <doc|home> hey, I've configured mpd as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MPD but it's still not working. Anyone got any suggestions on how to fix it?
[06:25] <doc|home> other sound is working fine
[06:31] <doc|home> anyone?
[06:33] <hwkiller-netbook> doc|home: did you configure system-wide or for your user?
[06:33] <hwkiller-netbook> are you running it as mpd:mpd, or as root
[06:33] <hwkiller-netbook> and is mpd:mpd part of the audio group?
[06:33] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: system wide
[06:34] <mediamgl> #ubuntu
[06:34] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: http://pastebin.ca/2170345
[06:35] <hwkiller-netbook> what are you showing me
[06:35] <hwkiller-netbook> what command
[06:35] <VladK2K> Hi guys. I want to install ubuntu on my 8GB USB key. All guides show me how to put the LiveCD image on the key, which leaves ~7 GB free. Can I actually install it to the USB key?
[06:36] <hwkiller-netbook> yes you can, VladK2K
[06:36] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: that's ps waux | grep mpd, showing users
[06:36] <hwkiller-netbook> you'd need another usb drive to install it from though
[06:36] <totesmuhgoats> any ideas why i am unable to hear any audio? http://pastebin.com/8TNYKT1b
[06:36] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: http://pastebin.ca/2170347 updated containing group access
[06:37] <VladK2K> I have previously installed Linux Mint on a USB key but after kernel upgrade it doesn't boot up anymore
[06:39] <hwkiller-netbook> doc|home: add mpd to audio group, firstly
[06:39] <hwkiller-netbook> second, did you configure outputs in the mpd.conf?
[06:39] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: I did, pulseaudio
[06:40] <hwkiller-netbook> hmm
[06:41] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: added to audio group, no change :/
[06:41] <hwkiller-netbook> can I see your mpd.conf?
[06:41] <doc|home> also, wasn't in the docs mentioned
[06:41] <doc|home> yep, one sec
[06:42] <hwkiller-netbook> and what client are you using, mpc, nmpcmpp?
[06:43] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: http://pastebin.com/t5mL03ZJ
[06:43] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: sonata
[06:43] <doc|home> according to sonata and the logs it's playing
[06:45] <hwkiller-netbook> #group                          "nogroup"
[06:45] <hwkiller-netbook> that should be group "audio"
[06:45] <hwkiller-netbook> or "pulse"
[06:45] <hwkiller-netbook> either one would probably work
[06:47] <hwkiller-netbook> you'll probably have to restart the mpd daemon of course
[06:47] <doc|home> yep, thanks, changing now
[06:48] <doc|home> no change on pulse, will try audio
[06:48] <doc|home> nope :/
[06:48] <doc|home> might I need to restart pulse for some reason?
[06:48] <hwkiller-netbook> and you uncommented it right?
[06:48] <doc|home> yep
[06:48] <hwkiller-netbook> nah, shouldn't have to
[06:48] <hwkiller-netbook> can you reupload the conf?
[06:49] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: http://pastebin.com/qBqM9YR8
[06:51] <hwkiller-netbook> have you tried setting the output to alsa instead of pulse, just to see?
[06:51] <doc|home> nope, will try it
[06:51] <doc|home> one sec
[06:51] <doc|home> I really dislike configuring mpd with anything, it always takes forever :/
[06:52] <hwkiller-netbook> I haven't really had issues with it. :/ so this is odd
[06:53] <william0> hey, is there any one who used linux mint before?
[06:53] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: setting type, name and device as hw:0,0 will be enough?
[06:54] <DJones> !mint | william0 Probably better asking in the channel the bot links to for questions about mint,
[06:54] <hwkiller-netbook> you could probably leave off hw:0,0
[06:54] <hwkiller-netbook> it'll go to the default card
[06:55] <hwkiller-netbook> (which is probably going to forward it to pulse anyway)
[06:55] <doc|home> ok
[06:55] <doc|home> actually, the default card in alsa is my graphics card's hdmi output...
[06:55] <hwkiller-netbook> that's... odd
[06:55] <doc|home> I have a toshiba media hub usb sound card that I use for audio
[06:56] <doc|home> any idea how to get the hw reference for that?
[06:56] <doc|home> Bus 002 Device 007: ID 041e:3048 Creative Technology, Ltd from lsusb
[06:57] <hwkiller-netbook> doc|home: go to /proc/asound
[06:57] <hwkiller-netbook> and look at cards and/or devices
[06:58] <hwkiller-netbook> or rather
[06:58] <hwkiller-netbook> "aplay -l"
[06:58] <doc|home> http://pastebin.com/XFrLfKBg
[06:58] <hwkiller-netbook> (lowercase L)
[06:58] <doc|home> card 1: SB0500 [SB-0500], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
[06:58] <doc|home>   Subdevices: 1/1
[06:58] <doc|home>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #
[06:59] <doc|home> 1:0?
[06:59] <doc|home> rather, 1,0?
[06:59] <hwkiller-netbook> ah ok, so hw1,0
[06:59] <hwkiller-netbook> yeah
[06:59] <doc|home> ok
[07:00] <doc|home> result!
[07:00] <hwkiller-netbook> so it works?
[07:00] <doc|home> yep, as alsa
[07:00] <hwkiller-netbook> that's totally weird
[07:00] <doc|home> does not play well with pulse though :(
[07:00] <hwkiller-netbook> hmm... I have all of my alsa stuff forwarded to pulse
[07:00] <hwkiller-netbook> which works just dandy
[07:00] <doc|home> hmmm
[07:01] <doc|home> any idea how to force that?
[07:01] <fm__> hi, my apport catches crashes every now and then, but if i click on the ok button and check the reporting checkbox no browser window opens. this worked in the pre-release versions. any idea?
[07:01] <hwkiller-netbook> http://pastie.org/private/apd6qedkzusc40npifn6qq
[07:01] <hwkiller-netbook> that's the file /etc/asound.conf
[07:01] <doc|home> I don't have anything in there
[07:02] <hwkiller-netbook> try out the config I posted then
[07:02] <doc|home> except the last line? :)
[07:02] <zetheroo> when opening Empathy I am constantly seeing this second (duplicate) of my gmail account (which does not connect), and then I remove it from the accounts list .. however on next boot of the machine and startup of empathy it again shows a duplicate gmail account!! Where is this duplicate coming from? - why does it keep reappearing?
[07:03] <hwkiller-netbook> oh, yeah
[07:03] <hwkiller-netbook> forget that
[07:03] <hwkiller-netbook> lol
[07:03] <hwkiller-netbook> stupid vim
[07:03] <doc|home> zetheroo: I've yet to try empathy and not immediately exit it and switch to pidgin
[07:03] <doc|home> so do I need to start pulse to get this to work or should mpd be enough?
[07:03] <doc|home> or alsa for that matter...
[07:03] <MonkeyDust> i use pidgin, it's very basic but i'm happy with it
[07:04] <zetheroo> doc|home: I like Pidgin too ... but it does seem to work well for me in 12.04 (something to do with Unity?)
[07:04] <hwkiller-netbook> doc|home: you'll want to remove the "hw1,0" line from your mpd.conf
[07:04] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: I was going to switch it back to pulse
[07:04] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: bad idea?
[07:04] <hwkiller-netbook> Yeah, it will probably not work
[07:04] <doc|home> ok
[07:05] <hwkiller-netbook> keep it alsa, but let it figure out where to send its audio (hopefully to alsa's default, which is pulse)
[07:05] <zetheroo> doc|home: when I open Pidgin I cannot see the main window ... it's like it's hidden somewhere ... so I have to close Pidgin and re-open it a couple times before I can actually see the contacts list window ... :P
[07:05] <doc|home> restarted mpd, came back playing, no sound :/
[07:05] <doc|home> didn't restart alsa or pulse though :/
[07:05] <hwkiller-netbook> are you sure pulse isn't muted?
[07:05] <doc|home> Jul 13 00:05 : Failed to open mixer for 'My ALSA Device': no such mixer control: PCM
[07:05] <doc|home> from mpd.log
[07:06] <doc|home> hmmm
[07:06] <doc|home> that's from the default config
[07:06] <doc|home> my mpd.conf has that commented out
[07:06] <doc|home> zetheroo: I don't use unity so I've no idea :/
[07:07] <zetheroo> is there somewhere else that Empathy picks up accounts from? Some other Broadcast settings or such?
[07:07] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: I've just clicked play on vlc and music started playing
[07:07] <hwkiller-netbook> does vlc use pulse?
[07:08] <doc|home> should do, though I was playing with that earlier. I thought I set it back but let me double check
[07:08] <doc|home> output module: Default
[07:08] <fm__> can someone check a duplicate according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-logger/+bug/1006417/comments/4 ?
[07:08] <doc|home> I forced it to pulse, is still working
[07:08] <hwkiller-netbook> test it by opening something like pavucontrol (if you have it), because it'll show everything that is playing
[07:09] <hwkiller-netbook> sound settings might have that too though (again, I'm not on ubuntu right now)
[07:09] <doc|home> I have pavucontrol
[07:09] <doc|home> playback tab?
[07:09] <doc|home> I can see the vlc media player: audio stream equaliser-like thing pulsing up and down
[07:09] <hwkiller-netbook> dang
[07:09] <doc|home> hehe
[07:10] <hwkiller-netbook> I don't know, I really don't
[07:10] <doc|home> let me try for mpd
[07:10] <doc|home> aaaand nothing :)
[07:10] <hwkiller-netbook> it still seems like a permissions problem to me
[07:10]  * doc|home mutters obscenities about audio
[07:10] <hwkiller-netbook> I wonder if it has anything to do with dbus/consolekit
[07:10] <hwkiller-netbook> in which case, I know nothing about fixing permissions
[07:10] <doc|home> :/
[07:11] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: thanks a lot for your help anyway
[07:11] <doc|home> I appreciate the effort
[07:11] <hwkiller-netbook> np, sorry I can't figure it out. I'm stumped! I never had those issues with mpd on arch.
[07:11] <doc|home> hehe
[07:12] <hwkiller-netbook> It does seem like a permissions problem, but I don't know why it wouldn't be working now
[07:12] <hwkiller-netbook> maybe you need to run pulseaudio as a systemwide instance, rather than user?
[07:13] <hwkiller-netbook> because mpd is another user trying to connect to your personal PA...
[07:13] <doc|home> that'd make some sense
[07:13] <Nuclear-muffin27> What do i do if im banned from a chanel? can i be unbanned?
[07:13] <doc|home> Nuclear-muffin27: ask the person that banned you
[07:13] <Nuclear-muffin27> doc|home, how do i find out who banned me?
[07:13] <DJones> Nuclear-muffin27: Which channel
[07:14] <Nuclear-muffin27> DJones, #minecraft
[07:14] <doc|home> Nuclear-muffin27: were you there when the ban was put in place?
[07:14] <Nuclear-muffin27> doc|home yes
[07:14] <doc|home> Nuclear-muffin27: then check the scrollback, it'll tell you
[07:15] <Nuclear-muffin27> doc|home, scroll back?
[07:15] <doc|home> Nuclear-muffin27: can you pastebin the last 20 lines of the window that you could see before you were banned?
[07:16] <Nuclear-muffin27> doc|home, it was to long ago its not there anymore
[07:16] <MonkeyDust> Nuclear-muffin27  it's not a good idea to say that you were banned, it's never without reason
[07:16] <Nuclear-muffin27> MonkeyDust, Ok
[07:16] <doc|home> FreeNode-#minecraft-June-2012.log:Jun 26 13:59:54 <Nuclear_muffin>	you can kiss my ass
[07:17] <doc|home> to an op I expect
[07:17] <Nuclear-muffin27> :D
[07:17] <Nuclear-muffin27> Probably not sure what i said though
[07:17] <doc|home> FreeNode-#minecraft-June-2012.log:Jun 26 13:58:38 <Nuclear_muffin>	a guy ripped me off so i griefed him
[07:17] <Nuclear-muffin27> hmm
[07:17] <doc|home> anyway, Nikondork banned you
[07:17] <doc|home> logs > Nuclear-muffin27
[07:18] <doc|home> it was supposed to be for a week
[07:18] <doc|home> was set in june
[07:18] <Nuclear-muffin27> hmm
[07:18] <doc|home> so unless you did something since then, and I wasn't around, it should be done now. Ask Nikondork
[07:18] <Nuclear-muffin27> ok
[07:19] <hwkiller-netbook> doc|home: did you manually start pulseaudio?
[07:19] <doc|home> and then, when you get in, don't act like an ass
[07:19] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: nope, not once
[07:19] <Nuclear-muffin27> ok
[07:19] <doc|home> I asked and you never said anything about it so I didn't touch it
[07:19] <doc|home> should I?
[07:19] <doc|home> I could try a reboot too
[07:19] <hwkiller-netbook> no, I was wondering whether it was started as a user or as a system daemon
[07:20] <xfxchilde> morning everyone
[07:20] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: ah, it's running as me, in two instances, and as mpd in 2
[07:21] <doc|home> actually, /usr/bin/pulseaudio 1 me, 1 mpd, and /usr/lib/pulseaudio/pulse/gconf-helper with 1me and 1mpd again
[07:21] <hwkiller-netbook> that's... interesting
[07:21] <hwkiller-netbook> try logging out and back in again to kill everything and reset pulse
[07:21] <doc|home> ok
[07:21] <doc|home> one sec
[07:22] <saliou> hi
[07:22] <saliou> i need ur help
[07:22] <doc|home> that's interesting, it kills ethernet too!
[07:22]  * doc|home sighs
[07:22] <Kartagis> !ask | saliou
[07:23] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: same thing
[07:23] <doc|home> no change
[07:23] <saliou> okey
[07:23] <saliou> how to run ns2 on ubuntu
[07:24] <hwkiller-netbook> doc|home: pastebin the output of "pstree"
[07:24] <imran> hello
[07:25] <imran> can any one help me
[07:25] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: http://pastebin.com/7950JusS
[07:25] <DJones> !anyone | imran
[07:25] <xfxchilde> ubotti: Lost cause LOL
[07:25] <imran> thanks
[07:26] <xfxchilde> ubottu: Lost cause LOL*
[07:26] <xfxchilde> ubottu: Your awesomely intelligent.
[07:26] <xfxchilde> i take that back ;x
[07:26] <olio> $* and $@ , whats the difference
[07:27] <hwkiller-netbook> doc|home: I think you have... four mpd
[07:27] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: http://pastebin.com/ZmbBSxbP
[07:28]  * doc|home is a copy-pasting machine!
[07:28] <hwkiller-netbook> just run ps -e|grep mpd
[07:29] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: oddly enough, if I kill mpd it still keeps pulseaudio sessions open
[07:29] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: just one instance
[07:29] <doc|home>  5670 ?        00:00:00 mpd
[07:30] <imran> my network cable is always show as disconnected
[07:30] <imran> in all linux distros
[07:30] <imran> ??
[07:30] <doc|home> imran: have you checked to see that it's supported by some form of linux driver?
[07:30] <hwkiller-netbook> You could try rebooting, but I don't think it'd help
[07:30] <hwkiller-netbook> I'm stumped.
[07:31] <hwkiller-netbook> and it's 3:30am, so my mind isn't going to get any more useful :p
[07:31] <Dulcin> Hi I'm not sure to formulate my question, but is there a way I can make my keyboard layout behave exactly the way it would in windows with the special keys? I tried all layouts with special keys, but none really match the behaviour I'm used to
[07:31] <imran> yes
[07:31] <MonkeyDust> imran  is the network card not damaged or out of order?
[07:31] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: it's worth a shot at this stage. Audio being audio, stranger things have fixed the problem. BRB
[07:31] <imran> no
[07:31] <imran> it works fine in Windows
[07:31] <imran> i am running openwrt on my netgear router
[07:32] <hwkiller-netbook> have you tried setting it up manually
[07:32] <imran> as linux boots in, the network cable activity shuts off
[07:32] <MonkeyDust> imran  this is the ubuntu channel, not openwrt
[07:32] <hwkiller-netbook> ip l set dev eth0 up
[07:32] <imran> i know
[07:32] <imran> but the case is same on ubuntu
[07:32] <hwkiller-netbook> imran: ^^
[07:33] <imran> so i installed fedora same
[07:33] <MonkeyDust> imran  openwrt is not supported here
[07:33] <imran> what about dd-wrt
[07:33] <hwkiller-netbook> imran: run the following in terminal: ip link set dev eth0 up
[07:33] <hwkiller-netbook> you'll need root privelages
[07:33] <imran> sure
[07:33] <hwkiller-netbook> then just run dhcpcd eth0 (assuming that ubuntu uses dhcpcd, not dhclient)
[07:34] <Tm_T> imran: this channel is to support Ubuntu, as the channel says
[07:34] <imran> give me all other commands also so that i can take info dump
[07:34] <hwkiller-netbook> that should be it
[07:34] <hwkiller-netbook> ip link set dev eth0 up
[07:34] <raffael> hi, i've a problem here with a kernel crash and nfsv4 krb5, the server hangs with the message "INFO task rpc.idmap blocked for more than 120s", (2.6.32-33-server, libnfsidmap2  0.23-2), anyone who can help me?
[07:34] <hwkiller-netbook> dhcpcd eth0
[07:35] <imran> i was so sad, to uninstall ubuntu
[07:35] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: nope :/
[07:35] <hwkiller-netbook> not sure if it'll work; network manager should do it for you
[07:35] <hwkiller-netbook> bah, doc|home. sorry man. that's irritating
[07:35] <Stava> I need a wireless network card (PCI i suppose) for my desktop. Which one should I get for best compatibility with ubuntu?
[07:35] <hwkiller-netbook> I hate not solving a problem
[07:35] <doc|home> trying to adjust the volume in sonata gives me {setvol} problems setting volume
[07:36] <doc|home> hwkiller-netbook: no worries, thanks for trying anyway :)
[07:36] <imran> the fun part is that it works fine when i used a cisco router :)
[07:36] <imran> but the network just dies when i run the router on open-wrt
[07:38] <Kartagis> I did something to cairo-dock (I don't know/remember what it is) and now I don't see a program's additional windows. what can I do?
[07:38] <imran> Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
[07:39] <imran> PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8168&REV_06
[07:39] <imran> thats it
[07:39] <fAz4> installing emacs-snaptshot by apt suggests me deleting 234, i386 packages !??
[07:40] <imran> i will try running that command
[07:40] <imran> and see
[07:40] <fAz4> why it wants to delete them !!?
[07:40] <a5m0> I followed this guide http://blog.markloiseau.com/2012/05/ubuntu-aes-xts-plain64/ but upon reboot I'm at a xubuntu screen that says "unlocking the deisk /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxx(crypt) Enter passphrase:" but typing does not do anything the status bar just cylons back and forth
[07:42] <ldr> root     21421  0.0  0.0   3700   780 pts/0    S+   07:37   0:00 grep --color=auto -i tomcat.......what it means
[07:42] <ldr> this i got when i run command  ps aux | grep -i tomcat
[07:44] <ldr> root     21421  0.0  0.0   3700   780 pts/0    S+   07:37   0:00 grep --color=auto -i tomcat.......what it means, this i got when i run command....  ps aux | grep -i tomcat
[07:47] <Kartagis> ldr: that there is no process called tomcat
[07:47] <ldr> ok
[07:47] <Kartagis> I did something to cairo-dock (I don't know/remember what it is) and now I don't see a program's additional windows. what can I do?
[07:48] <smallthunder> . /msg nickserv help register
[07:48] <Dulcin> Is there a way to change my keyboard from doing ẃ, when I type 'w, but do make it do é when I type 'e ?
[07:51] <Kartagis> Dulcin: yea, hit space after you hit '
[07:55] <Dulcin> Kartagis, yeah but on windows it doesn't put the ' on letters that don't use this in general, so I'm used to not hitting space everything I write : don't, won't, can't, etc.
[07:58] <Kartagis> Dulcin: depending on your layout, ' shouldn't be placed on every single letter you type
[07:59] <Dulcin> well for  t it doesn't, but it simply doesn't type a t either if I typed ' before, so I end up with: don instead of don't
[08:00] <Dulcin> I'm using US alternative with dead keys
[08:00] <DarsVaeda> hi, I have a script that needs to access /var/www that runs under normal user rights, so I did "chown user /var/www" and "chmod -u=rwx /var/www" still my shellscript says it can not access the directory (its an ant build script)
[08:00] <DarsVaeda> how do I get that working?
[08:00] <Dulcin> no, just US alternative, international
[08:01] <ps3thomas> hello i need help installing a java plugin
[08:05] <Chat7679> Hey
[08:11] <olio> i want to install libqt4-multimedia   , how to install it
[08:13] <xfxchilde> apt-get install libqt4-multimedia ?
[08:13] <aeplus> that's what i was about to guess...
[08:13] <xfxchilde> umm
[08:13] <xfxchilde> Lol.
[08:13] <sdauboy> you forget sudo
[08:13] <xfxchilde> he forgot google.. so were ok ;)
[08:14] <aeplus> is apt-get the preferred package manager?
[08:14] <xfxchilde> i use it
[08:15] <aeplus> i've been more of a redhat/centos person, switched over from rpm to yum... was not sure about ubuntu, dpkg, and apt-get
[08:16] <xfxchilde> aeplus: yeah yum = apt-get
[08:16] <xfxchilde> aeplus: I find debian based distros to be easier then redhat for some reason.
[08:17] <nina_> !list
[08:20] <aeplus> i am running ubuntu 12.04 on my mini9 with LUKS... very slick, pretty responsive
[08:20] <soothsayer1> having trouble with a hp ew192aa webcam in ubuntu 12.04
[08:21] <soothsayer1> can anyone help?
[08:22] <tal> ha
[08:22] <tal> hi all
[08:27] <DarsVaeda> is there some tutorial how to best work with /var/www?
[08:27] <DarsVaeda> I need an ant script to do stuff in there but I cant access the files
[08:30] <Kartagis> ghostchick++
[08:30] <aeplus> you know... some administrators do not secure their web server... you can try writing a script that accesses the files and running it through the server
[08:30] <Tm_T> aeplus: just, no
[08:31] <DarsVaeda> I wouldnt want to do that O_o
[08:33] <Jonne> does anyone know what vnc client actually works to connect to mac os x in ubuntu?
[08:33] <Guest4552> hi
[08:35] <DarsVaeda> it was so easy at the end -.-
[08:35] <ikonia> Jonne: any should work
[08:35] <ikonia> Jonne: I've used multiple ones
[08:35] <DarsVaeda> just add my user to the group www-data
[08:35] <DarsVaeda> is that a bad idea? because it works
[08:35] <Jonne> none of mine work, i get a black screen
[08:35] <Jonne> should the os x remote desktop thing be set up in some special way?
[08:35] <Guest80560> o dont understang
[08:36] <ikonia> Jonne: nope
[08:36] <ikonia> Jonne: the guys in #macosx can help confirm it's setup fine, but I've connected with many clients
[08:36] <aeplus> dars, doesn't that mean you do have access to the files?
[08:36] <Jonne> host is os x server, btw
[08:36] <ikonia> Jonne: shouldn't matter
[08:39] <Jonne> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleRemoteDesktop -> this is completely outdated, btw
[08:39] <Jonne> tsclient isn't even in the repo's any more
[08:41] <sunzz> just resumed my system from standby - mouse stopped working...  what can i do about it?
[08:42] <Jonne> ikonia, which client do you usually use?
[08:44] <ikonia> Jonne: tightvnc was the one I used a few nights ago
[08:44] <Jonne> through the cli?
[08:45] <Jonne> xtightvnc , etc ?
[08:46] <ikonia> Jonne: what do you mean through the cli ??? vnc is a graphical application
[08:47] <Jonne> well, to start it you need to at least type xtightvncviewer in your terminal, right?
[08:47] <Jonne> i don't have a menu item for it
[08:48] <soothsayer1> any one can help ,me with a hp web cam. comes up q-tec 100 and i can't get it to install and work with cheese or ubuntu
[08:49] <ikonia> Jonne: depends what packages you use, launching it from the command line or a menu item doesn't matter
[08:50] <Jonne> pm'ed you, didn't want to spam the channel
[08:51] <ikonia> Jonne: why are you pm'ing me
[08:51] <ikonia> it's a support channel, that's what it's hear for, to talk about support issues
[08:51] <Jonne> because i didn't want to dump 5 lines of terminal output in the channel
[08:51] <ikonia> Jonne: based on what you've sent me though, I'd suggest your vnc server is not running correctly/setup correctly,
[08:52] <Jonne> i'll go over to the mac and check its options
[08:52] <ikonia> Jonne: I used the default mac settings, and the default viewer settings (many times, tightvnc was the example a few nights ago) and it works fine
[08:52] <paissad__> hello guys, ... i would like to know whether or not it is possible to force the group to which a file will belong to whenever it is created into a directory foodir/
[08:52] <paissad__> for example, i may have users 'user_1', 'user_2' and so forth .... they are able (have right) to create files into foodir/ ... but whathever the group they do belong to ... i would like to force the group to "commonGroup"
[08:53] <ikonia> paissad__: you can only great a file with group permissions of a group you are a member of
[08:54] <paissad__> ikonia: okay, but the problem is that 'user_1' and 'user_2'  belon to the same group, ... but they do not have the same group by default !
[08:54] <paissad__> do you see what i mean ? :/
[08:54] <paissad__> belong*
[08:54] <ikonia> paissad__: ok, so you need to look at setgid on that directory to force it to create files with the group ownership of that directory
[08:54] <paissad__> i mean, they do not have the same GID by default
[08:57] <Jonne> ok, changed some settings on the server and it works now
[08:57] <Jonne> tnx
[08:57] <ikonia> great
[08:58] <soothsayer1> Anyone can help with a hp ew192aa web cam that comes up qtec 100 and i am trying to get it to work in ubuntu 12.04
[08:59] <joseannt> Hola, necesito ayuda
[08:59] <LjL> !es | joseannt
[09:00] <jan1231> hi
[09:02] <soothsayer1> greetings all
[09:06] <klj613> when i lock ubuntu (with gnome) sometimes after a while (the timeout, few mins) the screen goes blue and wont come back on when i move the mouse, ideas?
[09:09] <jan1231> f
[09:09] <Volleyoghurt> goeeedee morgen
[09:10] <john_kanon> moguh eten?
[09:10] <john_kanon> i am leaving cheers.
[09:10] <oCean> Volleyoghurt, english here, /join #ubuntu-nl for dutch chat
[09:12] <drag0nius> whats advantage/disadvantage of 64 bit ubuntu vs 32 bit?
[09:13] <ikonia> drag0nius: one is better at using larger memory
[09:13] <ikonia> that's pretty much the bottom line
[09:13] <drag0nius> im thinking which one to install on my dad's laptop
[09:14] <ikonia> you may as well go for 64bit unless it's an old computer, as 64 is the norm, so moving forward you may as well be on the same platform
[09:15] <he2> hi
[09:15] <he2> does the 12.04 ubuntu come with unity or with gnome?
[09:15] <he2> i don't like gnome
[09:15] <ikonia> unity
[09:16] <jaywink> klj613, I have the same problem in Unity 3D, except the screen stays black. Though I've been running xorg-edgers PPA :P Took me a while to learn how to get back - I can accomplish it by switching to vtt 1 (ctrl-alt-f1) and then back (ctrl-alt-f7).. weird
[09:17] <jaywink> now all my launcher and switcher icons have disappeared in unity 3D :P so using 2D for a while
[09:17] <he2> ikonia, are there any gnome-tools (network-manager, etc)
[09:17] <jaywink> ah the love of breaking your desktop by enabling too many experimental stuff :D
[09:17] <ikonia> he2: yes
[09:18] <livingdaylight> greetings, can someone please point me in the direction (guide/how-t0) to make various dvd's play on Ubuntu. Used to be I needed libdvdcss? but, can't seem to find it in repositories
[09:18] <he2> ikonia, are there plans to remove them?
[09:18] <ikonia> !ldvd | livingdaylight
[09:19] <ikonia> he2: not that I'm aware of, they are a core part of the gnome desktop that unity is build on, so I don't see why they would
[09:19] <ikonia> !dvd | livingdaylight
[09:19] <livingdaylight> ikonia, thank!
[09:20] <livingdaylight> ikonia, when I installed Ubuntu there was an option to install 3rd party proprietary codecs etc, which I enabled, so, not sure why I have to go round finding all the bits and bobs to make my system multimedia working
[09:21] <ikonia> livingdaylight: there are options to enable other repos, but you can follow that guide to add the repos/packages you need
[09:28] <Onixs> !ping
[09:28] <Onixs> ssshh
[09:32] <ldr> how to find ubuntu server configuration settings
[09:33] <ikonia> what do you mean "how to find"
[09:33] <ikonia> what do you want to configure
[09:35] <sham-hack> Please help me config my Acer laptop wifi card!... it is not working ..
[09:36] <bz> !ping das ist content
[09:37] <sham-hack> when i type lspci in teminal then it show me my driver but not working http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089540/
[09:37] <ikonia> sham-hack: lspci doesn't list drivers
[09:37] <ikonia> sham-hack: it just lists the physical devices in the PCI slots in your machine
[09:37] <ikonia> it shows nothing to do with working/configured etc
[09:38] <bekks> lspci -k lists the modules for the detected hardware too.
[09:38] <sham-hack> ikonia : ok.. but my wifi driver is not working . when i visit ubuntu site then there i find this ldpci
[09:39] <bretth> anybody tried lxde on ubuntu?
[09:39] <ikonia> bretth: all the lubuntu users have
[09:39] <bekks> bretth: I bet someone did.
[09:39] <bretth> i mean is it safe to install lxde on top of my current ubuntu.
[09:39] <sham-hack> ikonia : do you have any idea how i run my acer wifi driver bcm59xx
[09:39] <ikonia> the lubuntu-desktop package will install it onto ubuntu
[09:39] <ikonia> !wifi | sham-hack
[09:39] <ikonia> !bcm | sham-hack
[09:40] <sham-hack> yes bcm
[09:40] <ikonia> read those links for a starting point
[09:40] <sham-hack> ok i check ubottu
[09:40] <AdvoWork> out of interest, how does someone begin/contribute to Ubuntu?
[09:41] <drag0nius> how much space there should be for ubuntu desktop '/' if i use separate partition for /home?
[09:41] <MonkeyDust> AdvoWork  http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved
[09:41] <ikonia> drag0nius: depends on your disk layout
[09:42] <AdvoWork> MonkeyDust, cheers
[09:42] <drag0nius> 750gb disk, first 100 gb taken by win7 and last 350 gb by some ntfs storage
[09:43] <drag0nius> i've added swap to end of free space and now wanna add / to end and then rest to be shared between /home and win7
[09:43] <ikonia> drag0nius: do that then
[09:43] <drag0nius> but how much for /
[09:43] <ikonia> drag0nius: how ever much you want
[09:44] <ikonia> drag0nius: it's your machine, your disk, your sizing
[09:44] <drag0nius> would be enough, i don't know what is saved where
[09:44] <ikonia> drag0nius: depends on your system size, 2GB is workable but very tight on space, so work up from there
[09:44] <drag0nius> and where are applications stored?
[09:44] <drag0nius> those with apt-get install etc.
[09:46] <ikonia> drag0nius: they are distributed around eg: /usr/bin /usr/sbin /etc /var
[09:46] <geirha> drag0nius: dpkg -L packagename   will show you the files that package installed
[09:49] <sham-hack> I install my acer driver then it again not working and also it show my message like this >> This driver is active but not currently in use.
[09:50] <sham-hack> Does any one have idea how I fix this.
[09:50] <sam-c> hello
[09:50] <ikonia> !wifi | sham-hack
[09:50] <ikonia> !bcm | sham-hack
[09:51] <sam-c> problem with python 3.3
[09:51] <sam-c> on 12.10 alpha
[09:52] <ikonia> #ubuntu+1 is the discussion channel for 12.10
[09:52] <edwinkcw> sam-c: what problem?
[09:52] <sham-hack> ubottu: my driver name is BCM57780 .
[09:52] <sham-hack> please help me!
[09:53] <ikonia> sham-hack: read the links
[09:53] <sam-c> when I do aptitude update or upgrade crashs
[09:53] <ikonia> sam-c: #ubuntu+1 is the channel for 12.10 discussion
[09:54] <sham-hack> ikonia : ok i am reading.
[09:54] <bekks> sham-hack: Thats the hardware you have, not the driver name.
[09:54] <joel135> how do I get the number of lines of a terminal window in bash?
[09:55] <balduin_> i have a problem with bumblebee and ubuntu precise. I have the graphic card nvidia ge 650 M GT, in my laptop.
[09:55] <ikonia> bash only displays 1 line
[09:56] <bekks> joel135: You could use ncurses to do so.
[09:56] <joel135> is there a pipe that indents the output?
[09:56] <ikonia> no
[09:57] <ikonia> pipe does not change the output, the command you pipe it to does
[09:57] <sham-hack> bekks : but i see that name of back of my laptop!
[09:57] <bekks> sham-hack: It is still the name of the wifi chipset and NOT the driver name.
[09:58] <bekks> joel135: The simple way would be to just use "tput lines".
[09:59] <ps3thomas> need help in instaling ubuntu from usb drive
[09:59] <drag0nius> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[09:59] <sham-hack> bekks : do you have any advice, how i find my driver name.
[09:59] <drag0nius> then its exactly the same as cd install
[09:59] <drag0nius> you just need to boot from usb (change boot order in bios)
[10:00] <majd> hey #ubuntu - i have a python file that i run, but i get a reccursion error, and the traceback does not fit into the terminal window, so i can't see the line that's causing the error. Is there a way to save the traceback into a file? i tried python myscript.py > error.txt, but the file turned out empty...
[10:01] <majd> i also tried python myscript.py | less, but that gave me empty file too...
[10:01] <bekks> !ask | ps3thomas
[10:01] <joel135> ikonia: that's what I meant -- to alter the output, indenting it by some spaces
[10:01] <ikonia> joel135: I don't believe so,
[10:01] <balduin_> ps3thomas: very easy use unebootin to copy from ubuntu-based distributions or use Universal installer (Windows) to copy a cd image on your usb-stick than boot from the usb stick, as normal
[10:02] <richardk> good morning folks
[10:02] <richardk> i'm trying to cross compile tcl
[10:02] <richardk> i'm running into difficulties that are known here https://bugs.launchpad.net/cross-patches/+bug/623212
[10:03] <ikonia> richardk: ok, so until that bug is resolved, you won't be able to move forward
[10:03] <richardk> ikonia, i thought it says a fix has been released?
[10:03] <bekks> sham-hack: First, please just read the links you've been given.
[10:03] <ikonia> richardk: is that fix on your system ?
[10:04] <richardk> ikonia, you'll forgive me i hope, i'm not familiar with ubuntu. so i assumed any fix would be in the latest version
[10:05] <ikonia> richardk: as I'm reading htat the fix is only in the tcl8.5 package
[10:05] <ikonia> richardk: is that the package you are using.
[10:05] <richardk> yes
[10:05] <ps3thomas> ive downloaded the iso file and unpacked it to the usb drive and set it to boot on usb disk but it keeps saying: error loading operating system
[10:05] <sham-hack> bekks : i found on that link that my wifdriver not supported :-- 14e4:4322 no BCM4322
[10:05] <ikonia> richardk: ok, give me a minute to read the detail please.
[10:05] <richardk> ikonia, cheers
[10:05] <sham-hack> bekks :  no means not support.
[10:06] <sham-hack> bekks: do you have any idea what should i do now?
[10:06] <bekks> sham-hack: Which link exactly told you that?
[10:06] <sham-hack> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[10:06] <sham-hack> bekks : and i found this on this page :- http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_devices
[10:07] <bekks> sham-hack: Then read that link again please, since it clearly states that the BCM4322 is supported.
[10:07] <ikonia> richardk: can you do a dpkg -l | grep tcl8.5 please
[10:07] <ikonia> richardk: pull out the full package version you are using
[10:08] <sham-hack> bekk :  i am follow that step.. wait what should i will find!
[10:08] <setner> hi everyone
[10:08] <richardk> ikonia, ii  tcl8.5                                 8.5.11-1ubuntu1
[10:08] <setner> when I install a package with aptitude, how can I know the full path where it was installed to?
[10:09] <ikonia> richardk: ok, so the fix was released in 8.5.1ubuntu1
[10:09] <ikonia> richardk: trying to work out if yours is after that or from a different branch
[10:09] <ikonia> richardk: what version of ubuntu are you using
[10:09] <robotex> hello
[10:09] <richardk> setner, maybe dpkg -S ?
[10:09] <kelvin> hi
[10:09] <robotex> app review team send me message:
[10:10] <robotex> The icons in /usr/share/icons should be installed to /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/mirrorcam too
[10:10] <ps3thomas> i got ubuntu on my system i need a update im running a old version. i cant install it
[10:10] <robotex> In debial/install I have following lines:
[10:10] <robotex> icons/*                                 /usr/share/pixmaps/
[10:10] <robotex> icons/*                                 /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/mirrorcam/icons/
[10:10] <robotex> So, I must change it to:
[10:10] <robotex> icons/*                                 /usr/share/icons/
[10:10] <richardk> ikonia, sorry, please let me double check
[10:10] <FloodBot1> robotex: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[10:10] <robotex> icons/*                                 /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/mirrorcam/
[10:10] <robotex> What did they mean?
[10:10] <ikonia> richardk: no problem
[10:10] <robotex> What did they mean?
[10:10] <setner> richardk: thank you
[10:10] <bekks> sham-hack: And I have no clue why you think your wifi chipset is "BCM4322", because your pastebin of lspci doesnt detect that at all.
[10:11] <josvuk> How to check the 12.04ppc package repositories for installed versions?
[10:11] <ikonia> josvuk: sorry, can you try to rephrase that
[10:11] <sham-hack> bekks : but my acer laptop already include that wifi driver.
[10:11] <MonkeyDust> josvuk  apt-cache policy [package]
[10:12] <richardk> ikonia, okay, so it's ubuntu 12.04 lts
[10:12] <ikonia> richardk: ok, so this maybe the issue
[10:12] <sham-hack> bekks : my acer laptop is TRAVEL MATE 4740
[10:12] <sham-hack> latest
[10:12] <ikonia> richardk: the fix is released to the 11.10 package
[10:13] <bekks> sham-hack: That may be. Still your pastebin doesnt tell anything about BCM4322. Pastebin the output of lspci -k please.
[10:13] <ikonia> richardk: so it maybe either a.) the bug is not supposed to exist in the 12.04 package as it was an upstream fix, or b.) the fix has not been pushed out to later versions yet
[10:13] <richardk> ikonia, i think b is more likely
[10:13] <ps3thomas> balduin_: i got ubuntu on my system and ive downloaded the iso file to the usb drive and unpacked it to usb also but wen i boot it says error loading operating system
[10:13] <richardk> ikonia, what's the simplest way to get hold of the 11.10 package?
[10:13] <josvuk> I'm on 10.04 (PPC) so doing apt-cache search "package" it gives me only information for my system.
[10:13] <sham-hack> bekks : ok i will .
[10:13] <ikonia> richardk: I would agree, but I'm also surprised as if a fix is released it should be pushed out to later packages
[10:14] <ikonia> richardk: you can't use the 11.10 package on 12.04
[10:14] <josvuk> but how to do it for 12.04
[10:14] <geirha> might be stuck in -proposed
[10:14] <richardk> ikonia, why not, it's just a source?
[10:14] <robotex> It is my debian/install https://github.com/NicholasShatokhin/mirrorcam/blob/master/debian/install
[10:14] <ikonia> richardk: errr you want the source code, just go to the tcl website and download 5.8
[10:14] <ikonia> richardk: I thought you wanted the 11.10 package
[10:14] <richardk> i'm actually only getting the package from ubuntu because i saw that it has a fix that does not seem to be present upstream
[10:15] <robotex> So, I must change it to:
[10:15] <robotex> icons/*                                 /usr/share/icons/
[10:15] <robotex> icons/*                                 /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/mirrorcam/
[10:15] <robotex>  am I right?
[10:15] <setner> can anyone tell me why javahelp2 package on ubuntu does not contain the demos directory comparatively to downloading the JavaHelp system build from javahelp.java.net?
[10:15] <ikonia> richardk: well, that bug suggest's it's also upstream
[10:16] <richardk> ikonia, you think they fixed upstream? hmm
[10:16] <sham-hack> bekks : here the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/1089589/
[10:16] <ikonia> richardk: the bug's not massicly clear, I'm trying to work out
[10:17] <bekks> sham-hack: As you can see in lines 45-47, you have a BCM4358, which uses the "wl" driver.
[10:17] <sham-hack> bekks ok .
[10:18] <ps3thomas> I need help in booting ubuntu from usn drive
[10:18] <toxie> coreboot
[10:18] <sham-hack> bekks : but it found wifi point in win-7  but how i manage in ubuntu
[10:18] <richardk> ikonia, essentially the problem is that tcl tries to use the binary it built during the build process. but if you're cross compiling you can't execute what you built because your target is a different architecture
[10:18] <ikonia> richardk: the bug report is quite good, the fix details / release are not
[10:19] <ps3thomas> anyone who can help on booting from usb
[10:19] <ikonia> richardk: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tcl8.5/+bug/623212
[10:19] <ikonia> richardk: that's much better, that should give you the info
[10:20] <balduin_> ps3thomas use any program to copy your iso-cd-image on the usb-stick, else it dosn't work!
[10:20] <ikonia> richardk: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/54261088/cross.diff
[10:21] <ok_> ps3thomas: what are you trying to do?
[10:21] <ps3thomas> balduin_: so its not enough to unpack it to usb drive
[10:21] <MonkeyDust> ps3thomas  you have to boot-install it, with unetbootin or so
[10:21] <richardk> ikonia, there seems to be a patch https://launchpadlibrarian.net/54261088/cross.diff
[10:21] <josvuk> What'is this all about "restricted, universe, multiverse ,with main or not"?
[10:21] <ikonia> richardk: yup, that's the one I've just sent over to you
[10:21] <richardk> ikonia, which is what i was hoping not to have to write myself :)
[10:22] <ok_> ps3thomas: I've not used it myself as i prefer cli options but unetbootin will give you a guy to create bootable usbs
[10:22] <ikonia> richardk: well, just patch your source with that patch and test it
[10:22] <ikonia> looks like it should work
[10:22] <ok_> sorry that should be *GUI
[10:22] <ps3thomas> ok_: where do i find it
[10:22] <ok_> ps3thomas: dude
[10:23] <richardk> ikonia, indeed, here's hoping. i've mentioned it to the tcl folk, so maybe they'll fix it upstream if it isn't already (whcih iirc it isn't)
[10:23] <ps3thomas> im new to ubuntu
[10:23] <ps3thomas> ok_: im new to ubuntu
[10:23] <ikonia> richardk: I'd be dissapointed if it's not upstream
[10:23] <ok_> ps3thomas: well at least google stuff people tell you, speeds things up
[10:24] <ps3thomas> ok_: dude im right on top of it
[10:24] <robotex> where must be located app icons?
[10:24] <ok_> ps3thomas: cool, http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[10:25] <robotex> in /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/<appname> only? (or in /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/<appname>/icons?)
[10:25] <balduin_> ps3thomas: no its not enough to unpack the iso files, because the usb-stick have to prepare for booting with an mbr and something. On which plattform do you work, for example Linux or Windows?
[10:26] <ps3thomas> linux
[10:26] <robotex> or I must duplicate it in /usr/share/icons ?
[10:26] <ok_> ps3thomas: if you want to explore command line options have a look at the man entry for the command dd
[10:26] <richardk> ikonia, well the comments on that page suggest for some reason that the tcl folk might not be happy with it
[10:27] <ikonia> richardk: so a bun fight
[10:27] <gitesh> I would like to prefer using alternatives to GNOME.
[10:27] <gitesh> How do i uninstall Gnome and install another one?
[10:27] <ps3thomas> ok_: when i get the file what then??
[10:27] <richardk> ikonia, heh, a bun fight? what is that? but yeah, it is irritating, for people cross compiling at least
[10:28] <ikonia> richardk: fight between fixer and upstream
[10:28] <richardk> ikonia, i see :D
[10:28] <MonkeyDust> gitesh  type !notunity
[10:28] <ok_> ps3thomas: you're going to give me some background to what you're trying to do. I'm kinda assuming you want to make a bootable usb stick from some .iso file?
[10:28] <balduin_> ps3thomas: open a terminal and type in: sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[10:28] <gitesh> !notunity
[10:28] <richardk> ikonia, i'm just going to double check that it's not been fixed upstream
[10:28] <ps3thomas> ok_: your right
[10:29] <balduin_> ps3thomas: but this tool work only for linux if you need a windows installation use another tool pls!
[10:30] <ok_> ps3thomas: oh sorry your a sing how to install unetbootin tho just not aren't you
[10:30] <ps3thomas> balduin_:  im running linux ubuntu old version and i need to get the new vwrsion of ubuntu
[10:30] <gitesh> !kubuntu
[10:30] <gitesh> Thanks. MonkeyDust
[10:30] <ok_> ps3thomas: yea use balduin_'s apt-get command from above
[10:32] <ps3thomas> balduin_: installing now
[10:32] <ps3thomas> balduin_: done
[10:33] <ok_> ps3thomas: you should find the gui fairly strainghtforward
[10:34] <gitesh> can i use different User Interfaces on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS  ?
[10:34] <ikonia> gitesh: yes, multiple desktop interfaces are available
[10:34] <balduin_> ps3thomas: okay, now start the graphical program unetbootin and select your distribution, but make sure that you have formatet your usb-stick with fat32 else it does not work!
[10:34] <cfhowlett> gitesh, yes
[10:34] <k1l_> gitesh: you mean different DesktopEnviroments? yes, you can choose them in the login screen
[10:34] <gitesh> ok.
[10:35] <ps3thomas> balduin_: ok ill try
[10:38] <ps3thomas> balduin_: how do i check my version of ubuntu
[10:38] <Tectu> is there a list of USV/UPS devices which work with ubuntu server out of the box?
[10:39] <bekks> Tectu: Every UPS works out of the box. The only question os, wether there is a neat CLI/GUI to configure that UPS, or wether there is a webinterface on the UPS.
[10:39] <Tectu> bekks, i only want to give my ubuntu server the ability to shut down correctly
[10:40] <ps3thomas> ok_: how du i check my version of ubuntu
[10:40] <balduin_> ps3thomas: i don't understand. On unetbootin you have to select the distribution what you want to install on your stick. Select the ISO Image and the usb-stick and let unetbootin run
[10:41] <Tectu> bekks, don't i need a special client program on my ubuntu server, so when the UPS connected over USB does send some command it shut's down
[10:41] <Tectu> s/shut's/shuts
[10:41] <ok_> ps3thomas: $ lsb_release -a
[10:41] <richardk> it's not fixed in 8.5, could be in 8.6 though. i'm not going to check that though
[10:41] <ok_> ps3thomas: its also I'm system info but i'm in mac at the moment so can't remember where that s I'm afraid
[10:42] <ikonia> richardk: at least you know
[10:42] <ok_> ps3thomas: i don't know my way around the gui very well I'm afraid
[10:42] <bekks> Tectu: Which involves a CLI at least - or a webinterface. You have to be able to configure what the UPS shall send.
[10:42] <Tectu> bekks, i guess that' does every 100$ UPS?
[10:42] <ok_> ps3thomas: sorry that above is a command with the $ representing ur prompt (don't type the $)
[10:42] <bekks> Tectu: No.
[10:43] <ps3thomas> balduin_: i think im running the same version that the unboot is distubuting
[10:43] <pratz> hello guys, i know this is off topic - youtube.com does not open in my browser, i guess it is blocked, how can i know on what level it is blocked ?
[10:43] <ok_> ps3thomas: what do you get from lsb_release -a?
[10:43] <Ubuntubruger9> Hi guys. Have you been experiencing problems with iptables? Everything goes dead if I set policy on INPUT to DROP even though I did -m conntrack --ctstate established,related -j accept on input as 1st rule!
[10:43] <ikonia> pratz: you can't
[10:44] <Ubuntubruger9> Btw, it's on 12.04
[10:44] <ok_> Ubuntubruger9: well i'd try ping'ing it
[10:44] <Tectu> bekks, but why do i need some webinterface? sholdn't something like this work?   http://blog.is-a-geek.org/konfiguration-einer-apc-backup-ups-auf-ubuntu-serverdesktop
[10:44] <cfhowlett> pratz, if in china like I am, blocked by the gov't...
[10:44] <ps3thomas> ok_: thomas@hans-laptop:~$ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS Release:	10.04 Codename:	lucid
[10:45] <bekks> Tectu: When having an APC UPS, that should work.
[10:45] <ok_> ps3thomas: so great 10.04, you going to install 12.04?
[10:45] <ps3thomas> ok_: yes exaly
[10:46] <ok_> ps3thomas: if ur confused about what version unetbootin will get for you just grab the iso image you want off the ubuntu site and use the manual option at the bottom
[10:46] <ok_> ps3thomas: or say if you wanted the alternative iso or the business card  or whatever
[10:47] <Ubuntubruger9> ok_: I don't need any services to be open - it's a laptop - only need it for browsing and I haven't got any problems with <11.10
[10:47] <Tectu> bekks, thank you very much.
[10:47] <pratz> cfhowlett: it is blocked by company
[10:47] <pratz> cfhowlett: can i find on why level it is blocked ?
[10:48] <Code_Factory> hey guys, I'm having problems installing ubuntu server on a pc.. @ detect and mount cd-rom
[10:48] <Code_Factory> any ideas?
[10:48] <ok_> Ubuntubruger9: ? I'm sorry what? i think you've picked up on something i was saying to ps3tthomas
[10:48] <balduin_> ps3thomas: the version you running as host operating system is totaly uninteresting. You have to select your image in unetbootin and your usb-stick. The programm do the work for you. For example you can run unetbootin under Ubuntu and install the debian, fedora or opensuse image to your stick!
[10:49] <cfhowlett> pratz, ah.  talk with your company IT, but I'd guess you're risking a policy violation by trying to bypass the block.
[10:49] <ok_> balduin_: he asked how to find his os version
[10:49] <pratz> cfhowlett: hmmm
[10:49] <ok_> balduin_: but yes agreed!
[10:50] <savolai_> hi. is it possible to decrypt a ecryptfs-encrypted home directory and then use photorec on the decrypted image to restore files accidentally deleted inside the home dir?
[10:51] <gitesh> I have another quest. Unix > Linux > Debian > Ubuntu  . Am i right ?
[10:52] <savolai_> gitesh, I guess you could say that in some sense. linux does not contain unix code I think though, but all the rest contain the previous one :)
[10:52] <gitesh> where is "distro" ?
[10:52] <savolai_> gitesh, both debian and ubuntu
[10:52] <gitesh> ok. Thanks savolai_
[10:53] <balduin_> ok_: uname -a
[10:53] <balduin_> ps3thomas: uname -a
[10:55] <penreturns> try this sir... open terminal and run this line :  uname -a; cat /etc/lsb-release
[10:56] <ok_> penreturns: dude I've already got the printout of lsb_release -a
[10:56] <penreturns> alright then
[10:57] <ok_> penreturns: balduin_: this is what e got thomas@hans-laptop:~$ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS Release:	10.04 Codename:	lucid
[10:57] <penreturns> so u are running 10.04
[10:57] <robotex> bb
[10:58] <ok_> penreturns: dude you are covering old ground here
[10:59] <ps3thomas> balduin_: sorry i just got a call
[11:00] <savolai_> re: my question. is it possible to turn an .ecryptfs image into a regular file system image?
[11:00] <mixx> ciao
[11:00] <mixx> !list
[11:01] <gitesh> one last quest of the day, how do I become System Administrator ?
[11:01] <fidel> gitesh: what do you mean by that?
[11:01] <Layke> BUy a tshirt that says "Sys Admin"
[11:01] <fidel> getting permissions without having them - or getting experience? ;)
[11:02] <cfhowlett> gitesh, your system?  You ARE the sysadmin
[11:02] <ps3thomas> balduin_: i think im on the right path now..
[11:03] <gitesh> i meant System Administrator qualification
[11:03] <gitesh> Layke, lol
[11:04] <Myrtti> gitesh: I doubt there is such a thing in any jurisdiction. If you want to discuss it further, please join #ubuntu-offtopic for followups
[11:04] <gitesh> Myrtti , ok. Thanks
[11:05] <ps3thomas> i got a gray sceen with a bow that says unetbooting in the bow it says default and under the box it says >ubnkern initrd=/ubninit
[11:06] <ps3thomas> balduin_: i got a gray sceen with a bow that says unetbooting in the bow it says default and under the box it says >ubnkern initrd=/ubninit
[11:06] <ps3thomas> balduin_: box not bow
[11:07] <ps3thomas> ok_: i got a gray sceen with a bow that says unetbooting in the bow it says default and under the box it says >ubnkern initrd=/ubninit
[11:07] <Walther> Hi - I need help with my Canon multifunctional - Scanning doesn't work.
[11:07] <lboken> hi all im installing a new  ubuntu on my computer i i never know how much swap should i give it  ( i have 2 gig of ram)
[11:07] <Walther> I installed the drivers from Canon website, but scangearmp reports "no available printers"
[11:07] <zax1> hi guys, very linux green here. i have a silvercrest tablet i want to use. but butun do not seem to recognise it, how do i get it to work ?
[11:07] <Walther> lboken: 2x ram is a good rule of thumb
[11:08] <Walther> lboken: 4gb should do
[11:08] <ikonia> zax1: as in drawing tablet ?
[11:08] <zax1> yes
[11:08] <lboken> ok thanks walther
[11:08] <szal> 2x is a bit too much imho, 1.5x should do
[11:08] <Walther> szal: 2x is easier to remember and do the math for, and for most people, it doesn't do any harm
[11:08] <ok_> ps3thomas: umm I'm not sure man, like i say I've never used the software, just heard that it works. a link to a screen shot might help a little tho.
[11:08] <Walther> zax1: I've got an old wacom and it works out of the box, weird
[11:09] <ps3thomas> balduin_: it says automatic boot in 10 sec counts down and starst over again
[11:09] <zax1> not so weird i tthink, in system pref there is a specific wacom tablet section
[11:11] <lboken> next question   should i have  a  partition mounted into / and one for /home or should only 1 filesystem mounted to / be better?
[11:12]  * Walther <3 his Wacom Graphire 3 6x8"
[11:12] <Walther> lboken: separate / and /home leads to easier future installations
[11:12] <Walther> lboken: as in, you can do a "pseudo-clean" install by formatting the / while keeping your /home intact
[11:13] <lboken> k  so ill have  2 file system then    just need to guess now the size i should give them thanks again walther
[11:13] <bekks> lboken: 20G for / should be enough.
[11:13] <DSSL> Has anyone else had the stupidity to run sudo chmod -R 777 /?
[11:13] <Walther> lboken: what's your HDD size?
[11:13] <lafon> zax1: Try looking at the posts here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1608004 and http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9966110&postcount=1
[11:13] <bekks> DSSL: I've heard of a few. Why?
[11:14] <zax1> lafon: justran lsusb , and , indeed this silvercrest tablet is a waltop
[11:14] <zax1> brilliant, trying this now
[11:14] <DSSL> bekks: just wondering if I'm the only one
[11:14] <lboken> walther i have a 300 gig  left after i kept the 15 gig for the restor of the windows that came wiht my pc and  after i put 4 gig for my  swap
[11:14] <Walther> lboken: 4GB for swap, 20GB for /, rest for home
[11:14] <bekks> DSSL: You have a backup, dont you?
[11:15] <lboken> k thanks walther and also thanks  bekks
[11:15] <Walther> no problem
[11:15] <DSSL> bekks: Nope. I seem to have borked my entire install with that lovely command.
[11:15] <bekks> Walther: lboken: swap size == RAM size, 20GB for /, rest for home
[11:15] <bekks> DSSL: Correct.
[11:15] <Walther> bekks: well, swap should be over ram size for the hibernate/sleep functions to work
[11:15] <Walther> So I would say 1.5-2x ram for swap
[11:16] <zax1> lafon: thats quite an involved process...
[11:16] <Walther> And with today's HDD sizes, it does no harm
[11:16] <bekks> Walther: Incorrect. Hibernation/suspend will never use more than your physical RAM.
[11:16] <zax1> see if my limited skills can stand up to it
[11:16] <lafon> zax1: Probably. I don't have a tablet so I'm not exactly sure what happens
[11:17] <bekks> Walther: And nowadays, when having boxes with 16GB+, thats just a waste of space to have 32GB RAM like on HPUX. :)
[11:17] <bekks> s/RAM/SWAP/
[11:17] <olio> have any one try voice recognisation software on ubuntu ?
[11:17] <fidel> olio: any specific one you are looking for?
[11:17] <Walther> bekks: I know. But the users with that kind of computers most probably know what they're doing - 1.5x-2x ram is a good advice for beginners
[11:18] <bekks> Walther: It was, 15y ago. :)
[11:18] <Walther> well tomato, tomato.
[11:18] <olio> fidel : no specific , i just want a voice recognisation software like win 7
[11:18] <Walther> ...anyway.
[11:18] <Walther> I could use some help getting scanning working on my computer
[11:18] <Walther> Running 12.04, Canon MG5150
[11:18] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:19] <fidel> olio: so you havent searched yourself right?
[11:19] <olio> fidel : have you try any voice recognisation s/w yet on ubuntu ?
[11:19] <olio> olio : searched many but evey time i fail to install them
[11:20] <olio> fidel : i found spinix , xvoice , gnom voice control etc
[11:20] <Walther> veeti@corretto:~$ scanimage
[11:20] <Walther> scanimage: no SANE devices found
[11:20] <jacobat> Hiya. I had a kernel panic (unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference) and was only able to snap this screenshot of the console: http://cl.ly/3h0R0o2a1S462a0A0N0b - any ideas what might be causing it or how I might get more information about what could be the cause?
[11:22] <Guest50841> hello all what is best ide for python???
[11:23] <arian--->  hello all what is best ide for python???
[11:23] <bekks> Guest50841: There is no "best" regarding software.
[11:23] <fidel> !poll
[11:23] <chu> !best | arian---
[11:23] <wehrung> link
[11:23] <arian---> chu: yes best :D
[11:24] <olio> any voice recognisation software except dragon that work well and easy to install
[11:24] <fidel> arian---: we are trying to tell you - like we tried already yesterday - that asking for BEST is ****wrong/not good/not helpful
[11:24] <chu> arian---: If you want to persist, ask in #ubuntu-offtopic I suppose.
[11:30] <bz> give the guy a break, he just wants help with making a decision
[11:31] <bz> instead of debating semantics with him, how about giving actual suggestions?
[11:31] <bz> ironpython, bpython, python -i, et altera
[11:31] <bz> christ
[11:31] <bekks> bz: There is no suggestion, since there is no "best" solution for a given task.
[11:31] <richardk> there's also a python plugin for eclipse which seems alright
[11:31] <chu> Pardon?
[11:31] <bekks> I'd suggest vi.
[11:31] <bz> bekks: re-read what i wrote
[11:32] <richardk> (pydev)
[11:32] <luukr007> !EBrarian Beth Wiseman - [Daughters of Promise 01] - Plain Perfect (epub).rar
[11:32] <luukr007> !EBrarian Beth Wiseman - [Daughters of Promise 02] - Plain Pursuit (epub).rar
[11:33] <luukr007> !EBrarian Beth Wiseman - [Daughters of Promise 03] - Plain Promise (epub).rar
[11:56] <j0lly> awolfson,
[11:56] <citric_acid> hi
[11:58] <citric_acid> if i need to backup the system  "/"  partition (aka "only system files", *no* home, mnt, etcetera) to be able to fully recover the system installation what tar command do i need to use? will "tar -cpPjvf backup_of_today.tar.bz2 /" (to run from a live cd to backup the partition of my installation ) be ok? Or would i need some more parameters to preserve symlinks?
[12:03] <geirha> citric_acid: tar -cf  or  pax -wf  should suffice really
[12:05] <geirha> citric_acid: Wouldn't it be easier to just use something like clonezilla?
[12:05] <collinjsimpson> what would backporting GPSd 3.7 to ubuntu 10.04 require?
[12:06] <citric_acid> geirha: tar -cf is not ok, it doesnt preserve file permission. And i *need* it to copy also the symlinks.
[12:06] <citric_acid> geirha: clonezilla? does it save the backup in tar.bz2 format ?
[12:08] <m4tthumphrey> help! http://askubuntu.com/questions/163081/setting-up-my-www-directory-correctly
[12:08] <geirha> citric_acid: tar -cf does preserve file permissions and such ... when run as root.
[12:09] <bekks> citric_acid: No.
[12:09] <geirha> citric_acid: I don't know what format(s) clonezilla uses, but it's designed for the task you're trying to achieve with tar
[12:13] <ps3thomas> balduin_: i got it now dude.. thnx for the help =-)
[12:14] <ps3thomas> ok_: i got it figured out... thnx 4 the help dude.. =-)
[12:15] <ok_> ps3thomas: nw man, sorry if i was being a little short with you at times
[12:16] <ps3thomas> ok_: thats allright im not able to give you the right specifics couse im new to ubuntu so i can understand
[12:17] <citric_acid> geirha: not really.  :( i need a file that i can use to restore the system and i need it to be extractable via a live cd that only have tar and bzip2 as extraction tools...
[12:17] <citric_acid> (that's why i need tar.bz2 or tar.gz )
[12:19] <geirha> well, try tar -cf as root (plus whichever compression), then try extracting it, as root, in a VM, to see that all the permissions and symlinks are preserved
[12:33] <Logico> Hi, I have 12.04 and my HD is doing a noise like "clicks", it happens between few seconds of inactivity
[12:34] <citric_acid> known-working methods? (i think i'm the only one that backup system files instead of /home data ... lol XD )
[12:34] <Logico> it's a Western 1TB SATA 3
[12:34] <ncp> Logico, do you have SMART enabled?'
[12:35] <Logico> ncp, no, I disabled it on BIOS
[12:36] <ncp> Logico, i would do some checking of your harddrive
[12:37] <Logico> ncp, the Western diag tool didnt find any problem
[12:37] <bluenemo> does anyone have the Creative Sound Blaster Tactic3D headset and knows if it is working with ubuntu (12.04)?
[12:37] <Logico> ncp, the command sudo hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda returns:
[12:37] <Logico> /dev/sda:
[12:37] <Logico>  setting Advanced Power Management level to disabled
[12:37] <Logico>  HDIO_DRIVE_CMD failed: Input/output error
[12:37] <Logico>  APM_level	= not supported
[12:37] <FloodBot1> Logico: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:37] <Logico> ops, sorry by the flood =/
[12:38] <Logico> I actually dont know what exaclty this message means
[12:40] <rayleigh> hi i have installed tuxguitar instead of guitar pro in ubuntu 1204, but its sound is very different from guitar pro and i dunno how to deal with it
[12:40] <salvatore> Is it possible to install DJANGO - python on an apache web server where is already running PHP 5? i tried it but it broke my apache config and php applications stopped to work
[12:44] <pratz> hey guys can any one suggest any good networking irc channel ?
[12:45] <rayleigh> does anyone see my question?
[12:45] <rayleigh> pratz austnet #chatzone
[12:45] <oCean> pratz: I'd say ##networking
[12:55] <rayleigh> anyone use tuxguitar?
[12:55] <lboken> hi again a little trouble  i did surly somthing wrong cause now my pc only boot on my windows recovery partition (wish i didnt wanted to delete). would it be a way to keep it and yet still have my linux
[12:55] <never2far> is it possible to install only the man page of a program ?
[12:57] <geirha> never2far: "No", but you can look at man-pages at http://manpages.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <toxie_> toxie_
[12:57] <ghostchick> lboken, why not sudo update-grub
[12:59] <zixxy> rayleigh, I haven't, but it looks like the project has been abandoned. The latest news on their website is from 2009 and the forum is filled with spam about 'replica' watches.
[12:59] <lboken> ghostchick but ill have to install  the boot on the  recovery wont i?  i just hope it wont break it then
[12:59] <lboken> that probably my mistake i put the boots up in the  same partition than my /
[13:00] <rayleigh> zixxy, yes it is...so do you have any better software about music edition?
[13:01] <salvatore> Is it possible to install DJANGO - python on an apache web server where is already running PHP 5? i tried it but it broke my apache config and php applications stopped to work
[13:02] <ghostchick> lboken,  ubuntu will just pick up all the partitions normally
[13:03] <lboken> k  thanks   now i have to reinstall my ubuntu
[13:03] <stef_k> salvatore, yes i am running on linode apache + nginx with php, python and ruby, 1 wordpress installation, 1 django site and a RoR app (redmine)
[13:04] <j_ayen_green> With apt-get install apc-php, I get The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[13:04] <j_ayen_green>   php-apc: Depends: phpapi-20090626+lfs  E: Broken packages
[13:04] <salvatore> can you help me with Django installation?
[13:04] <zixxy> rayleigh, no. Sorry, I just play the same scales over and over ;)
[13:04] <rayleigh> zixxy, anyway, thank you~
[13:05] <stef_k> check this guide http://library.linode.com/frameworks/django-apache-mod-wsgi/ubuntu-10.10-maverick
[13:06] <salvatore> what isi linode?
[13:06] <lboken> just to make sure i dont make a mistake again do i install the boot up on sda or sda1 >(sda1 is my windows 7 recovery partition) sda6 is my   / , and sda7 is /home and sda5 is swap .
[13:07] <salvatore> this guide is for ubuntu 10.10... i got 12.04lts
[13:07] <salvatore> will it work?
[13:07] <stef_k> My server was 10.04 , upgraded to 12.04 and runs just fine
[13:09] <stef_k> Your apache must have mod_wsgi. Enable a new site pointing your Django app. Inside your Django app you must have your .wsgi settings file.
[13:14] <jpsiyu> hello
[13:15] <jpsiyu> i come here first time:-[
[13:15] <stef_k> welcome
[13:15] <jpsiyu> thanks
[13:16] <xmint9> hello.. good afternoon evryone..
[13:16] <stef_k> hi
[13:16] <xmint9> :)
[13:17] <jpsiyu> good evening:-D
[13:17] <xmint9> im on searching for a game kind like a gomoku, is it exist one for linux..?
[13:17] <stef_k> good evening:-D <- to you to
[13:17] <xmint9> thanks before...
[13:18] <xmint9> ;)
[13:18] <j_ayen_green> Did a pecl install apc, and it ran clean, but then I'm supposed to service php5-fpm (or php-fpm) restart, but its not present?
[13:19] <OerHeks> xmint9, gomoku does exist in softwarecentre.
[13:20] <j_ayen_green> can anyone point me to clean instructions for installing apc on ubuntu 10.04 / php 5.2 ?
[13:20] <OerHeks> xmint9, so you didn't even seach for it ?
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> j_ayen_green  is this useful http://www.electrictoolbox.com/install-apc-php-linux/
[13:23] <klj613> how do i generate a public key from my private key? via CLI
[13:24] <namelezz> xmint9, gomoku.app, bovo and gridlock... all of them in the software center
[13:24] <stef_k> klj613, check under your ~/ .ssh folder cat id_rsa.pub
[13:24] <OerHeks> klj613, when you generate keys, you make public & private at the same time. not afterwards.
[13:24] <tking> hi guys i did gksudo nautilus /usr/share/unity/places on 12.04 trying to remove lense
[13:24] <tking> and i gotCould not find "/usr/share/unity/places".
[13:25] <j_ayen_green> MonkeyDust: no, php5-dev won't install either
[13:25] <OerHeks> tking,  .../places is a folder, not a file
[13:25] <tking> OerHeks, i want to go there and remove it
[13:26] <tking> following oline instruction to remove Rotten Tomatoes lens
[13:27] <klj613> stef_k, OerHeks, yes. but what if after a few months, the you cant find the .pub? you know the password to the private key, i would assume you can generate the public key from the private one?
[13:27] <oCean> klj613, OerHeks sure you can generate pub from existing priv key:  next command will re-create your id_rsa.pub   ssh-keygen -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa -y > ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[13:27] <klj613> oCean, thanks
[13:28] <dwakar> tking may be it doesn't exist
[13:28] <dwakar> try /usr/share/unity/lenses
[13:35] <j_ayen_green> so strange. I follow the directions and do a pecl install of apc, which seems to run clean http://pastebin.com/f3aWZwt8  but a find on apc.so comes up empty
[13:37] <DeLorean731> I'm trying to open up multiple instances or Tor on ubuntu 12.04... anyone have experience with doing that?
[13:37] <Guest27559> clear
[13:42] <BluesKaj> DeLorean731, running several pcs thru Tor from the same router ?
[13:42] <nilsonmorales> theres is a application like Adobe After Effects for ubuntu
[13:42] <marco> Hi! Where is the list of icons in the unity launcher stored/persisted?
[13:43] <nilsonmorales> theres is a application like Adobe After Effects for ubuntu?
[13:43] <marco> nilsonmorales: there are some video editors for ubuntun, if that is your question
[13:46] <bwat47> macro: if you change the icon of the corresponding .desktop file in /usr/share/applications it should change the icon that shows in the launcher/dash
[13:47] <nilsonmorales> tnx marco
[13:47] <nilsonmorales> a friend from brasil ask me but i dont see anymore in the channel
[13:47] <nilsonmorales> tnx anyway
[13:48] <marco> nilsonmorales: just take a brief look on the software center. Look for video editors
[13:48] <nilsonmorales> sure copy
[13:54] <Relondo> So, I used "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" to install XFCE. How do I actually switch to XFCE?
[13:58] <j_ayen_green> I have php5-dev pinned for Karmic, but am getting Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic/main php5-dev 5.2.10.dfsg.1-2ubuntu6
[13:58] <j_ayen_green>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.23 80] when trying to install it
[13:58] <Chad__> Relondo: You switch to it in the login screen
[13:58] <Guest62355> hola alguna persona de españa?
[13:58] <Pici> !es | Guest62355
[13:58] <Relondo> Chad___: Thanks
[14:01] <j_ayen_green> karmic distros aren't there anymore??
[14:01] <BluesKaj> !karmic
[14:04] <IdleOne> !eolupgrade | j_ayen_green
[14:04] <IdleOne> j_ayen_green: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:14] <mikehaas763> Hi. I am going to begin developing an open source program from an idea I have. My focus in the beginning is having it for Ubuntu/Linux distros. However, if it takes off I would like to be able to release windows/mac os x versions. Java is not an option and is actually THE reason I am developing this program because java has too many issues (performance mostly) on linux unless you have a blazing fast machine. What are some
[14:14] <mikehaas763> good language/gui kit combos to use?
[14:15] <bwat47> qt
[14:15] <mikehaas763> While keeping in mind future cross compatibility.. but without having the user install third party tools
[14:16] <bwat47> Qt is pretty good cross platform, look at clementine for an example cross platform qt app
[14:17] <bwat47> runs on linux/windows/osx
[14:17] <habib> hey everyone. when i'm plugging in headphones it doesn't work
[14:17] <mikehaas763> bwat47: Thanks, I'll take a look
[14:17] <carl__> I was hoping someone could answer a question.
[14:18] <carl__> I have a package that I am trying to install openscad
[14:18] <bekks> Without asking the question, impossible :)
[14:19] <mikehaas763> bwat47: Is Qt decently snappy/fast so long as it is coded well?
[14:19] <bwat47> yeah
[14:19] <carl__> I keep getting a dependance problem. thing is I show that a newer version of the package is already installed. Is there a way to force the openscad to install?
[14:19] <bwat47> ubuntu one client uses qt, unity 2d uses it
[14:20] <bekks> carl__: I dont think there is a way to break dependencies forcibly.
[14:20] <bwat47> carl__:  you could try using the 'force version' option in synaptic  (if u have synaptic installed)
[14:20] <habib> why headphones just doesn't work?
[14:21] <aboudreault> damn... the sleep mode works so bad in precise :(
[14:21] <habib> headphones is ok but when i'm plugging it in it just doesn't give sound
[14:21] <mikehaas763> bwat47: Ah ok cool. What language would you recommend? I love OO programming so maybe C++. It mentions C++ on the website.
[14:21] <bwat47> mikehaas763: yeah, qt is c++ focused.
[14:21] <m0tte> hi - if i start without X, it is possible to get two differnt tty in dual-monitor support instead of cloning? thx
[14:22] <craigbass1976> http://www.gaggl.com/2012/05/install-gimp-2-8-on-ubuntu-12-04/  Can anyone tell me why this might be a bad idea?  I'd really love ot have GIMP running in a single window, and 2.8 is when that finally happens
[14:22] <bwat47> habib: they should generally just work, if they don't sometimes you have to use some kind of little workaround, depends on computer model. have you tried googling your modem + headphones don't work etc..?
[14:23] <bwat47> *model
[14:23] <MonkeyDust> craigbass1976  it would be a PPA and a PPA is not officially supported
[14:23] <MonkeyDust> craigbass1976  in other words: use at own risk
[14:23] <Osmodivs> Everytime i try to open VLC my computer goes back to the login screen, What the hell is wrong here? I already did a ubuntu-bug report, but I want to know if this is a known issue
[14:23] <mikehaas763> craigbass1976: There really isn't anything "bad" about doing that. It's just that it's a not official PPA so it's not supported and the PPA could even be taken offline but who cares once you have it installed
[14:24] <bwat47> Osmodivs: its not an issue I've seen personally
[14:25] <bwat47> craigbass1976: it works fine for me, but as mentioned above use at your own risk :)
[14:26] <Osmodivs> bwat47: Is there a way to fix this?
[14:28] <j_ayen_green> IdleOne: I'm running 10.04, but I'm running 5.2 on it because several of the sites are Drupal 6, hence Karmic packages for php
[14:29] <craigbass1976> MonkeyDust, is there no reference now to the repository I added?  I don't see it in /etc/apt-sources.list
[14:30] <habib> bwat47 thing is that sound is ok. when it's not through headphones it plays ok. and phones with other device work good but when i plug it into my ubuntu netbook sound just stops
[14:31] <dr_willis> see sources.list.d/  craigbass1976
[14:32] <craigbass1976> dr_willis, Aha...
[14:32] <Osmodivs> Where can I find extra information of the system crash so I can file a bug report in LAUNCHPAD?
[14:32] <j_ayen_green> so if karmic is removed from the archives, does that mean 5.2 is gone?
[14:32] <j_ayen_green> php 5.2
[14:33] <craigbass1976> MonkeyDust, if I remove this unofficial repo from /etc/apt/sources.list.d, and then do an update, will I then be back on GIMP 2.6 instead of the 2.8 I added the repo for?
[14:34] <MonkeyDust> craigbass1976  type info gimp to know what's in the repos -- don't mix ubuntu versions, unless you like to repair your system without support from the channel
[14:34] <antukin> craigbass1976: remove current, update and then install it
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> whats more lightweight for an old laptop lubuntu or xubuntu?
[14:35] <padhu> I installed flux box. My cairo-dock displays with black background. How can i change this?
[14:36] <DamienCassou> hi
[14:37] <DamienCassou> what is the software that facilitates the creation of programming projects. I heard something exists that creates the folder hierarchy and put default files inside
[14:37] <MonkeyDust> padhu  i guess cairo depends on compiz, which is not used in fluxbox
[14:37] <dr_willis> !ppa-purge
[14:37] <MonkeyDust> DamienCassou  it's called quickly
[14:37] <Osmodivs> Where can I find extra information of the system crash so I can file a bug report in LAUNCHPAD?
[14:37] <DamienCassou> MonkeyDust: yeah, that's it. Thank you
[14:37] <IdleOne> DamienCassou: it is called Quickly check in #ubuntu-app-devel for more help
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> whats more lightweight for an older laptop: lubuntu or xubuntu or gnome-classic?
[14:38] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje: lubuntu
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: tnx
[14:38] <DamienCassou> looks like quickly is dedicated to Ubuntu. I thought it was something more general
[14:39] <DamienCassou> but I think this was the software I had in mind, thanks
[14:39] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje:  only thing lighter would be just a window manager. ;)
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: any sugestion for a lighter window manager for lubuntu?
[14:39] <antukin> openbox
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> !info openbox
[14:40] <dr_willis> !info jwm
[14:40] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  jwm
[14:40] <MonkeyDust> dr_willis  was faster :)
[14:40] <dr_willis> jwm is about as light as it gets
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: can jwm run firefox or chrome?
[14:40] <padhu> okey i will try with wbar
[14:40] <douglas> Hello all! Please, how do I get the gnome classic available? I can't get used with this desktop with no taskbar...
[14:41] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  sure, the windows are just very basic
[14:41] <dr_willis> lotuspsychje:  you dont need a wm to run those... ;)
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> monkeyDust: ok cool tnx
[14:41] <dr_willis> but its handy
[14:41] <antukin> just need an X session
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> lemme try jwm on lubuntu
[14:41] <tesserakt> If I install ubuntu server, will it be easy to install to install a desktop environment later on if I need it? for example if I install the xfce4 package on the ubuntu server later on, will it behave just like xubuntu?
[14:42] <antukin> if you have lubuntu why add more weight?  jwm is just redundant
[14:43] <craigbass1976> tesserakt, It should
[14:44] <tesserakt> craigbass1976: good, thanks
[14:44] <sam1967> in system monitor i have 9 zombie sh processes . any idea why ?
[14:44] <hw_junkie> exit
[14:47] <zixxy> douglas, 'sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback' log out, click the Ubuntu icon by the username box and choose it from there.
[14:48] <captainfurious> how can i send mail at the command line with my gmail account
[14:50] <sam1967> in system monitor i have 9 zombie sh processes . any idea why ?
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> dr_willis: i forgot can jwm be run on ubuntu too instead of unity3D?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> oops
[14:54] <geirha> sam1967: Some process has spawned 9 sh processes, but has not waited for them yet. The processes are dead, they don't use any resources.
[14:54] <igor_> hi
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> antukin: would jwm run on ubuntu instead of untiy3D?
[14:55] <sam1967> geirha : what could have spawned them ?
[14:56] <geirha> sam1967: Check their parent process ids (ppid)
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> !info jwm
[14:59] <geirha> sam1967: Just check the system monitor, it doesn't appear to list ppid, but View -> Dependancies list them in a tree view, so you can see which process is parent of those processes
[14:59] <geirha> sam1967: *Just checked
[14:59] <pigeons> how to disable case sensitivity of username for pam?
[15:00] <grozavpaul> is there a good tutorial about how to create a new X session for each user that connects with VNC?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> !vnc
[15:00] <sysop7> Does anyone know if 12.04 supports Thunderbolt with a simple VGA output dongle on a Macbook Pro 2001?
[15:00] <STK74> hello
[15:00] <geirha> grozavpaul: I'd consider FreeNX or x2go rather than vnc
[15:01] <ikonia> sysop7: I'd put money on "no"
[15:01] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  just tried jwm --replace, didn't work
[15:01] <sysop7> ikonia: Thanks...but not what I was hoping to hear.
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: jwm on ubuntu doesnt work?
[15:01] <grozavpaul> geirha: thanks, let me take a look
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: screenshots of jwm looks cool, reminds me of enlightment years ago :p
[15:04] <liher> Hola, mi ordenador se cuelga y se queda bloqueado, alguien conoce algun programa que detecte errores de hardware?
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> !es | liher
[15:07] <ClientAlive> I need to learn something about what jockey-gtk does. If a particular proprietary driver is not showing up in additional drivers, and does not get "activated" through it, does that mean it won't "work"?
[15:07] <dr3mro> hello , I am using ubuntu os since april 09 with a fujitsu siemens amilo pi 1505  .. but 2 days a go i have bought a Dell XPS L502X with win7 .. I want to keep windows 7 as it is an original copy and I have paid for it so i don't want to lose it any way .. I have tared my home and my root into two tar.gz archives and i want to migrate my install to the new machine i have the knowledge to untar the archives into sda3 in the new machine but what next ? i don'
[15:07] <dr3mro> t want to lose dell recovery partition and i can't do ordinary install via live cd as i am using now mobile broadband with a very low speed and high price :) thanks any way !
[15:07] <bobbyyu> I got a 500 Internal Server error when trying to run a Perl script. I want to know where I can find the server error log. I am running Apache HTTPd
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> ClientAlive:it means the driver is not installed
[15:08] <MA111> Greetings, I'm trying to install Nvidia driver from a CD, I keep getting this error, not matter what I try, I did re-install 12.04 now, just to get a clean start. here's the error : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090018/
[15:08] <Zentaur> hello
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> MA111:did you try to install nvidia-current?
[15:09] <Zentaur> could anybody recommend me a netbook that works with ubuntu
[15:09] <codingman> Zentuar: any i would think
[15:09] <Need2Grow> zentaur hit Alt-Z to summon the invoker
[15:09] <ClientAlive> lotuspsychje: ok, what does one do if the driver refuses to show up in jockey but all the files for it appear in /lib/firmware
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: im on aspire ONE with ubuntu precise 64bit running flawsless
[15:09] <ClientAlive> ?
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: you can always try ##hardware channel too
[15:10] <codingman> MA111: install the driver from the website
[15:10] <MA111> codingman: same problem
[15:10] <ryant5000> is there any way to run linux kernel 3.4 or above in AWS on ubuntu?
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-current | MA111
[15:10] <MA111> lotuspsychje: nvidia current, no, I'm not sure if it matters, but, this is a specialized type of card
[15:11] <LoT> ryant5000: AWS being Amazon Web Services?
[15:11] <Zentaur> I mean almost all have intel gma XXXX and i saw lots of bad comments about it
[15:11] <ryant5000> LoT: yep
[15:11] <LoT> ryant5000: i'd ask Amazon Web Services, they're the ones that govern VM/instance kernels
[15:11] <codingman> MA111: sure you got the right drivers?
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: precise will run fine on most new netbooks
[15:11] <Zentaur> i need 3d acceration just for googleearth or small games
[15:11] <MA111> codingman: yes, its the CD that came with the card
[15:11] <MA111> Here's the lspci :  VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G98 [Quadro NVS 450] (rev a1)
[15:12] <Zentaur> lotuspsychje, wich graphics card has yous aspire one?
[15:12] <codingman> MA111: the error you gave us seems to be a kernel error
[15:12] <ryant5000> LoT: ah; i did ask them, and they told me i had to ask the AMI maintainers
[15:12] <LoT> ryant5000: then you have to ask them how to contact them, the AMI's are the images used on the EC2 instances.
[15:12] <MA111> codingman: I see, I'm looking for the best way to install the kernerl-headers and source
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6250]
[15:13] <LoT> ryant5000: typically i dont think those images update kernels
[15:13] <ClientAlive> what does one do if the driver refuses to show up in jockey but all the files for it appear in /lib/firmware ?
[15:13] <codingman> MA111: try the software center
[15:13] <dr3mro> hello , I am using ubuntu os since april 09 with a fujitsu siemens amilo pi 1505  .. but 2 days a go i have bought a Dell XPS L502X with win7 .. I want to keep windows 7 as it is an original copy and I have paid for it so i don't want to lose it any way .. I have tared my home and my root into two tar.gz archives and i want to migrate my install to the new machine i have the knowledge to untar the archives into sda3 in the new machine but what next ? i don'
[15:13] <dr3mro> t want to lose dell recovery partition and i can't do ordinary install via live cd as i am using now mobile broadband with a very low speed and high price :) thanks any way !
[15:13] <ryant5000> LoT: right, i'm using the Canonical AMIs; i'm not totally clear on how kernel deployment happens
[15:13] <codingman> MA111: or synaptics
[15:14] <ryant5000> LoT: it looks like there's a way using pv-grub to change the kernel at boot time
[15:14] <MA111> codingman: I'm looking for synaptics in apt, but cannot find the package manager
[15:14] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: if you install an ssd hd inside the netbook, it will be even faster
[15:15] <codingman> MA111: open the software center
[15:15] <MA111> codingman: OK
[15:15] <codingman> synaptics is not installed originally
[15:15] <codingman> !nickspam | io3
[15:16] <Zentaur> is it a new aspire one? I need a netbook to travel but i want only ubuntu on it :)
[15:16] <BluesKaj> MA111, synaptic can be installed from the terminal , sudo apt-get install synaptic
[15:16] <MA111> BluesKaj: I'm installing it now
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: yes its few months old mate, 2gig ram 500g hd, damn fast on ubuntu
[15:16] <antonis> Hello I have a problem.. I installed a compiled kernel in ubuntu 12.04 (exton I think) but I decided to remove it and now I am not able to start x
[15:16] <MA111> codingman: should I just look for "Kernel" once synaptic is installed ?
[15:17] <antonis> It because of my graphics card.. There are no drivers and I don't know what to do :\
[15:17] <codingman> MA111:kernel-source
[15:17] <codingman> i guess
[15:17] <codingman> MA111: also do the upgrade and update process
[15:17] <sam1967> geirha : how do i find the ppid ?
[15:18] <MA111> codingman: yes, did that first thing
[15:19] <codingman> oh ok
[15:19] <Zentaur> mm interesting... and the battery life? how many cells?
[15:19] <jiffe98> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a supermicro raid device which I think uses software raid, when I go through the ubuntu 12.04 install I choose guided - use entire disk, but then it tries to setup a grub boot loader on /dev/mapper and fails to do so
[15:20] <{g}> I want to clone my ubuntu partition so i have one running system in the old state and one i can play around with. so i can dual boot into both. is it a good idea to just create a partition of the sames size and then do dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sda2?
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: ubuntu says 5 hours remaining battery, just 1 cell came by default
[15:20]  * Need2Grow waves..
[15:21] <Need2Grow> ubuntu is zulu
[15:21] <Dr_Willis> {g}:  the use of UUIDs may mess things up. You could clone the partion to a file and play with it in virtualbox perhaps.
[15:21] <codingman> lotusspychje: WOW! i cell...
[15:21] <{g}> Dr_Willis: i would like to dual boot the both partitions. yeah, uuids might mess it up. i always hated uuids.
[15:22] <Dr_Willis> {g}:  untill youve spent several hrs fighting around issues that UUIDs fix....
[15:22] <antonis> I did install a compiled kernel (the latest) and downloaded a script from NVIDIA for the latest nvidia drivers. I uninstalled the kernel and reversed back to generick and also removed (or I believe I did) the drivers I downloaded from NVIDIA but now I am not able to start x... I am currently in console mode with irssi. when I try startx it tells me that I have different kernel and driver versions of nvidia or something like that. If any
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> codingman: i mean 1 battery came along
[15:22] <{g}> Dr_Willis: for example what?
[15:22] <MA111> OK. so after installing the kernel-source pacake, via syaptic, still ,sadly, the same error
[15:23] <Dr_Willis> !uuid
[15:23] <MA111> *synaptic
[15:23] <antonis> when I try startx it says "api mismatch: the nvidia kernel module has version 295.40 but this nvidia driver component has version 295.49."
[15:25] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: the only thing i had to do was set bios to 'network boot:ON' to prevent freezing ubuntu (win7 default Os)
[15:26] <MA111> Could this be the probelm ?  "source -> /build/buildd/linux-3.2.0" this link under "/usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-23-generic" points to a location that does not exisit (the color of the link is red)
[15:28] <ganster> hi all
[15:28] <Zentaur> and what would you say about the intel gma xxxxxx? do you think i could get to have 3d acceleration?
[15:29] <Zentaur> i read that the gma 3600 has no support for linux
[15:29] <ClientAlive> I have a few very important questions and I pray that someone will take notice
[15:29] <ClientAlive> what would you do if you spent 3 full days and nights, doing nothing else but trying to get your wireless card working in ubuntu? What would you do if you spent 3 full days and nights looking for help on the issue and not finding it? what would you do? what would you do when your computer is unuseable for 3 days and you don't want to suffer windows again? I need to know.
[15:30] <ClientAlive> I cant-take-it-any-longer
[15:30] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  get a better brand card would be my first option.
[15:30] <ClientAlive> no one seems to give a shit (gonna kick me off the channel for saying "shit"? Gonna do that to me too?)
[15:31] <Dr_Willis> If you want support getting the card working. you need to state so. not ramble on.
[15:31] <ClientAlive> the card works I have NO $ No $. I need this computer - I have to have it working I take online college courses
[15:31] <meowsus> I'm running Lubuntu 11.10. When I'm listening to MP3s out of my speakers, everything sounds fine. If I plug my headphones into the back audio connection, everything is fine. When I plug my headphones into the front audio panel everything is insanely garbled. This is only for any compressed audio (mp3, youtube, etc) but Wavs and Flac play fine. Does anyone know how I can start to troubleshoot this?
[15:31] <ClientAlive> I have been
[15:31] <ganster> Dr_Willis,  howcan i join the xchat in other language like francais,espaniola,deutch,swahili,zulu,
[15:31] <ClientAlive> for three dayssssss
[15:31] <ClientAlive> three daysssssw
[15:31] <Dr_Willis> You c asked 'what would you do'......
[15:31] <ClientAlive> 5 installs
[15:32] <IdleOne> ClientAlive: Calm yourself please
[15:32] <ClientAlive> scroll up
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> ganster:  each ubuntu channel has a #ubuntu-XX where xx - some code for each language.
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> !es
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> Zentaur: no intel gma here
[15:32] <ClientAlive> I'm gonna staep away for a moment
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> ganster:  fr is french, not sure about others.
[15:32] <Bronze> ClientAlive: there are many channels that have clean language policies and many that do not. There nothing wrong with them kicking you for abusing language in a channel with a clean language policy
[15:32] <ClientAlive> I'm sorry but this is completely ludacris
[15:32] <zixxy> ganster, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[15:32] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  yes.. you are being Ludacris.
[15:33] <ClientAlive> thanks Dr. very helpful - now try putting yourself in my shoes
[15:33] <IdleOne> Dr_Willis: No need to make it worse. let him step away and collect himself.
[15:33] <IdleOne> ClientAlive: Please drop it. take a break and come back when things are clearer :)
[15:34] <ClientAlive> I have appologized and I was and am sincere about that. I'll take a break and come back but I desparetely need someone to help me with my issue.
[15:34] <Bronze> ClientAlive "Ludicrous" is the word that means silly. what you were using was the name of a rap artist
[15:35] <Dr_Willis> Bronze:  ;P
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> isnt there like an ubuntu community creating innovations for society?
[15:36] <Bronze> ClientAlive: You cant get your wifi card to work?
[15:36] <ganster> zixxy, i have post my problem in mother language but non of em replies
[15:36] <Bronze> ClientAlive: Are you getting any error messages?
[15:37] <zixxy> ganster, I was giving you a handy list. I can't make people be there. ;)
[15:37] <Bronze> ClientAlive: what is the make and model of your card?
[15:37] <ClientAlive> Bronze: lol. Thank you man. Thanks
[15:37] <wols_> ganster: then pose your problem here as good as you can
[15:38] <Bronze> ClientAlive: have you looked up the card in google to see if it is on any of the linux supported  hardware lists?
[15:38] <sam1967> how do i find the ppid of a process ?
[15:38] <ikonia> ps
[15:38] <ikonia> sam1967: ps will show it
[15:38] <bazhang> sam1967, check top
[15:38] <kurtwp_> ps -ef | grep <process name>
[15:38] <ikonia> another good idea
[15:38] <ganster> wols_, i don know how to post it in english
[15:38] <ikonia> or top
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> !info htop | sam1967
[15:38] <bazhang> ClientAlive, is this  usb or pci wireless device
[15:39] <ClientAlive> Bronze: I can't get it to work. There's a lot to this story but I won't bother you to try to explain it all here. Suffice it to say I have done quite a bit of troubleshooting and believe I have narrowed things down. I'm on the last leg of the race and not sure how to get past this last hurdle.
[15:39] <ikonia> ClientAlive: do you want your wifi card to work yes/no ?
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:39] <ganster> wols_, my English not  well understood if i post it over here
[15:39] <bazhang> ClientAlive, lsusb for usb, lspci for pci to paste.ubuntu.com if you want actual help
[15:39] <Bronze> We really need a web site that walks folks through these steps so that they get the basic help and info before they ask people for help. I wish I knew how to make it. I can make forms, but I don't know how to automate finding the info for them.
[15:39] <wols_> ganster: you can only try. your choice if you and to try for an answer
[15:39] <ClientAlive> I'm typing as fast as I can guys
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> ganster:an english error from /var/log could also help pastebin here
[15:40] <ikonia> Bronze: there are many websites that explain how to get help - however responding to peopels questions with actual answers rather than a pointless story is the first step
[15:40] <ganster> lotuspsychje, is that a commmand  /var/log
[15:40] <Bronze> ikonia: We need a !venting command for ubottu  :-)
[15:41] <oCean> Bronze: we need less offtopic comments in this channel
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> ganster: no they are logs of your ubuntu system, logging interesting stuff
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> !logs
[15:42] <ganster> no such a directory lotuspsychje
[15:42] <ClientAlive> I have the broadcom card in this lappy. It's the 4318 (rev 02). I install b43-firmware-installer (which installs b43-fwcutter as a dependency). Jockey (additional drivers) refuses to pick it up but I can see all the files unpacked in /lib/firmware. As far as I can tell the firmware installs but making an actual connection does not happen. My landlord's lappy connects to my same wireless connection on the router and his does fine.
[15:42]  * Bronze watches oCean quickly give people the help they need. 
[15:42] <wols_> ganster: state your problem as best as you can. we will ask if we don't understand something
[15:42] <ikonia> ClientAlive: there is more to it than just firmware
[15:42] <ganster> fromm the terminal it tell me that  lotuspsychje
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> ganster: cd /var/log/
[15:42] <ikonia> ClientAlive: is the kernel module loaded sucessfully
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> ganster: try reading syslog.1
[15:43] <ClientAlive> Ikonia: there is? You mean like network-manager?
[15:43] <ikonia> ClientAlive: doest the card report available wireless etentions
[15:43] <ikonia> ClientAlive: no
[15:43] <ikonia> extensions (I meant to type)
[15:43] <jiffe98> I'm trying to install ubuntu on a supermicro raid device which I think uses software raid, when I go through the ubuntu 12.04 install I choose guided - use entire disk, but then it tries to setup a grub boot loader on /dev/mapper and fails to do so
[15:43] <ganster> lotuspsychje, :/var/log$
[15:43] <wols_> jiffe98: keep /boot on a non RAID device
[15:43] <k1l> ganster: where are you from? isnt there a channel for your mother-language?  else you could describe your problem here
[15:43] <ClientAlive> oh, no, see those things you mention are the things I don't know how to interpret. I can run the commands to list them, I know that, but not what it means when I see it.
[15:44] <jiffe98> wols_: do I need to set that up manually if I choose guided - use entire disk ?
[15:44] <ikonia> ClientAlive: right, so thats where you work with someone to walk through it
[15:44] <ikonia> ClientAlive: or read some of the documentation eg:
[15:44] <ikonia> !bcm | ClientAlive
[15:44] <ikonia> !broadcom | ClientAlive
[15:44] <ikonia> !wireless | ClientAlive
[15:44] <jiffe98> wols_: also I don't have any disks that aren't in raid
[15:44] <ganster> k1l, am fro brazil
[15:45] <wols_> jiffe98: you can make them
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> !fakeraid
[15:45] <wols_> lotuspsychje: he shouldn't use fakeraid in the first place
[15:45] <ClientAlive> ikonia: I was running fedora 16 up until 3 days ago (when I decided to come back to ubuntu) It was working fine with wireless and on the same connection to the router/ same wireless connection. I have, in the past, run ubuntu 10.10, 10.04 (starting with alpha) successfully with the wireless.
[15:46] <ikonia> ClientAlive: that has nothing to do with any of the comments I've just said
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:46] <ikonia> ClientAlive: the sooner you read what people say to you and respond to the question/comment they ask rather than a story which has nothing to do with it, the quicker you'll move forward
[15:46] <wols_> ClientAlive: the links ikonia gave you guide you through the installation. if you have problems at any step, you can ask about them here, e.g. when there is some output or result of your action which isn't like it is in the howto
[15:47] <k1l> ganster: you have tried #ubuntu-br for getting help?
[15:47] <Fanshawe> Hello everyone. I'm in desperate need of help, on the verge of bricking this current install of Ubuntu, apparently. I can't write to var/cache, and can't find anyway to clear enough space on my filesystem to do -anything-.
[15:47] <ClientAlive> ikonia: thank you for your comments. If the documentation goes into much more detail than just steps to install then it would help but so far that is all i've seen.
[15:47] <randomDude> so i found out today that ubuntu desktop computers can be made to sleep on timeout period after the screen locks by using dconf-editor
[15:47] <ikonia> ClientAlive: if you follow the steps to install and verify they work fine, you should be fine, if it still doesn't work you can ask specific questions about the parts not working
[15:48] <ClientAlive> wols: I know the steps by heart. I've been doing them repeatedly so that second thing you say is where I'm at now.
[15:48] <wols_> Fanshawe: with what process do you want to write to /var/cache and why? and how much free space do you have?
[15:48] <ikonia> Fanshawe: why can't you write to /var/cache, out of disk space or permissions
[15:48] <ikonia> ClientAlive: ok, so I'll ask again
[15:48] <ikonia> ClientAlive: 1.) is the kernel module loaded
[15:48] <codingman> !details|randomDude
[15:48] <ikonia> ClientAlive: 2.) is the card reporting active wireless extensions when queried ?
[15:48] <ClientAlive> I described the situation earlier. There is no shorter way to describe it. That's what is going on.
[15:48] <Fanshawe> ikonia: out of disk space
[15:48] <ikonia> ClientAlive: I'm not asking you to describe the situation, I'm asking you specific questions.
[15:48] <randomDude> codingman: while i apreciate your desire to help, it is a bit misguided.
[15:49] <ikonia> Fanshawe: do you know where you disk space is being used up ?
[15:49] <Fanshawe> wols: my filesystem is full to the point where I literally can't run any program
[15:49] <ClientAlive> yes
[15:49] <codingman> randomDude: what is your problem
[15:49] <ikonia> Fanshawe: (can you pastebin the output of df -h please)
[15:49] <codingman> ?
[15:49] <ikonia> ClientAlive: yes to what ?
[15:49] <k1l> ganster: since you speak portuguese you could try the portuguese channel too: #ubuntu-pt
[15:49] <ClientAlive> I mean yes I understand but I don't know how to find out what you asked me
[15:49] <randomDude> codingman: for a start you would do well to differentiate between a statement and a question.
[15:49] <ClientAlive> is it with iwconfig?
[15:49] <Fanshawe> I'd love to pastebin it, but my browser isn't running.
[15:49] <ikonia> ClientAlive: right, so that's what you say "how do I find that out" rather than just telling stories
[15:50] <ikonia> ClientAlive: iwconfig should show the card and list it as supporting wireless extensions, yes
[15:50] <ClientAlive> ok, I'm sorry not so good communicator
[15:50] <codingman> randomDude: please state your question, not the rhetorical one.
[15:50] <wols_> Fanshawe: go into /var/log and "rm *.gz" (as root). deletes all old logs
[15:50] <randomDude> codingman: ok, why are you assuming i have a question?
[15:50] <wols_> Fanshawe: then check "df" again to see if you have a few bytes free now
[15:51] <Calliope> How do I auto mount an NVIDIA RAID-1 device on my Ubuntu System?
[15:51] <Fanshawe> wols_: that's a good idea, but I'd need to be talked through exactly how to do that?
[15:51] <bazhang> randomDude, this is a support channel only. chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> wols_:isnt there a gui package to delete old stuff too?
[15:51] <codingman> randomDude: if you do not have a question or problem, please do not flood such a buzy forums
[15:51] <wols_> lotuspsychje: no clue
[15:51] <ikonia> randomDude: if you want to discuss some ubuntu technical info you can try #ubuntu-discuss
[15:51] <codingman> *chat
[15:51] <PyroPeter> I'm using rxvt-unicode-256color on my desktop pc and want to enter german umlauts into a bash running on a Ubuntu 12.04 server (via ssh). bash seems to receive a different key than the one I'm pressing (ü) and displays the "(arg: 0)" prompt
[15:51] <wols_> Fanshawe: cd /var/log; sudo rm *.gz
[15:52] <ClientAlive> I see stuff but not sure what it means. I'm installing pastebinit so I can paste it
[15:52] <ikonia> wols_: clean /var/apt/cache ?
[15:52] <ikonia> (he can always re-cache later)
[15:52] <ikonia> that should get a chunk of space back to at least open a browser
[15:52] <Fanshawe> okay, done
[15:52] <wols_> Fanshawe: sudo apt-get clean
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> cleaning out firefox cache can do miracles too
[15:53] <ikonia> wols_: better/tidier, nice
[15:53] <wols_> lotuspsychje: by default, I think 50MB or so. not worth it :)
[15:53] <Fanshawe> wols_: sudo apt-get clean was the first thing I tried
[15:53] <Calliope> How do I auto mount an NVIDIA RAID-1 device on my Ubuntu System?
[15:53] <Eleth> Installed Ubuntu Precise in a chroot via debootstrap. Trying to boot it via PXE, kernel and initrd seem fine. It's hanging somewhere in upstart. Is there a way to debug upstart beyond --verbose on the kernel command line
[15:53] <Fanshawe> it simply doesn't seem to work, I assume I have no permissions?
[15:53] <wols_> Fanshawe: when you run "df -h" now, how much free space is shown?
[15:53] <ikonia> !fakeraid | Calliope
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> wols_depends what you do with firefox
[15:54] <wols_> Fanshawe: sudo. then you have the permissions for both, log deletion and apt-get clean
[15:54] <Fanshawe> on sda1, where Ubuntu is kept, 100% in use
[15:54] <Calliope> Thank you.  Bye
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> Fanshawe: do you use newgroups or something too?
[15:54] <ClientAlive> this paste does not show all the listings for some reason. there is "lo no wireless extensions" and there is "eth0 no wireless extensions" then there is this what came on the paste:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090086/
[15:54] <Fanshawe> newsgroups?
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> Fanshawe: cleaning out newsgroups headers can clean out a system aswell
[15:55] <ikonia> ClientAlive: well, the good news is that wlan0 is showing as wireless enabled
[15:55] <ikonia> ClientAlive: suggesting your card is available as a device for use
[15:55] <wols_> Fanshawe: you could od a localepurge (that deletes program messages in other languages you don't understand anyways, e.g. chinese or so). but localepurge is a package
[15:55] <ikonia> ClientAlive: which also suggests the kernel module is loaded, however you should check which kernel module is loaded for it
[15:55] <Fanshawe> the exact directory taking up the most space right now is var/lib/apt-xapian-index
[15:55] <ikonia> that seems odd
[15:56] <ClientAlive> ok
[15:56] <ikonia> the idex is filling up the disk
[15:56] <ikonia> index
[15:56] <wols_> Fanshawe: that#s a search engine. do you need that?
[15:56] <Fanshawe> as in the entirety of var/lib is taking up the majority of space
[15:56] <Fanshawe> no, I'll delete anything just to get the gears turning again
[15:56] <wols_> Fanshawe: what do you use that search engine for?
[15:57] <wols_> Fanshawe: and the question is not just what to delete but to make sure this situation doesn't happen again
[15:57] <Fanshawe> if I'm being honest? I have no idea what search engine that could be. I recently tried to download something via 'get_iplayer'? That's when this started.
[15:57] <wols_> Fanshawe: if we did it the first way, we simply told you "reinstall ubuntu" :)
[15:58] <wols_> Fanshawe: if you don't know I'd delete the big files inside. especially when they are very big which they have no reason to be (your /var/www should be even bigger then than xapian)
[15:58] <ClientAlive> results of "dmesg | grep b43 | pastebinit" and "lsmod | grep b43 | pastebinit" respectively: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090093/   and   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090094/
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> Fanshawe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1617639
[15:59] <Fanshawe> I can't run my browser at the moment
[15:59] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59546/what-kind-of-harm-there-is-from-removing-purging-package-apt-xapian-index
[16:00] <ClientAlive> in that first paste (the one for dmesg) the second line contains "(core revision 9)" but my card is "(rev 02)"
[16:00] <ClientAlive> is that a problem?
[16:01] <Fanshawe> I can't even run synaptic at the moment, there's no space to copy my authorisation file.
[16:01] <Fanshawe> As in, my admin programs are locked.
[16:02] <Dr_Willis> time to resort to the console and the cli tools perhaps.
[16:02] <ClientAlive> ikonia: results of "dmesg | grep b43 | pastebinit" and "lsmod | grep b43 | pastebinit" respectively: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090093/   and   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090094/
[16:03] <TuxyThePenguin> Tuxy Is Ready for support
[16:03] <Fanshawe> well, I tried to delete the files in apt-xapian-index
[16:03] <wols_> Fanshawe: go to a console and run everything as root: root still has some diskspace to use
[16:03] <wols_> Fanshawe: and apt-get purge you can only run as root anyways
[16:04] <TuxyThePenguin> Fanshawe TuxyThePenguin is here to help aswell
[16:04] <wols_> Fanshawe: apt-get purge apt-xapian-index
[16:05] <Fanshawe> Alright, trying your suggestions
[16:05] <Fanshawe> Ah! It worked!
[16:05] <MadsRC> Could somebody help me with apache2 on a ubuntu 12.04 server? I want the domain name net42.no-ip.org to display one of my virtual hosts in apache, and I've pointed the domain name to my IP, and opened port 80. But If I add the line " ServerName net42.no-ip.org " to the host file in my apache site, and restart the apache service I get the "Could not determine the FQDN, using localhost instead" and I can't reach the page from the URL
[16:05] <Fanshawe> now if I can run sudo apt-get clean I may be where I started
[16:07] <Fanshawe> well I'm actually free to run programs again, which is nice, and I now have access to synaptic
[16:07] <Fanshawe> thank you for your help, all
[16:07] <TuxyThePenguin> can anyone help me reconfigure BURG bootloader in comandline
[16:07] <Fanshawe> I'm open to any further suggestions to stop this weirdness happening again, though
[16:08] <wols_> MadsRC: you must make sure that domainname also shows up in your resolver, eg. put it in /etc/hosts
[16:08] <wols_> MadsRC: but the better solution is to use a virtual host which you set up in /etc/apache2/sites-available/
[16:08] <wols_> Fanshawe: uninstall xapian
[16:08] <MadsRC> I've got a virtual host set up in the sites-available folder
[16:08] <wols_> !pm TuxyThePenguin
[16:09] <MadsRC> and configured the site file there with the ServerName variable
[16:09] <lajosward> Hello
[16:09] <wols_> TuxyThePenguin: ask in the channel if you have a ubuntu problem
[16:09] <ClientAlive> someone was helping me a minute ago but I don't know if they had to leave Is there someone?
[16:09] <TuxyThePenguin> ClientAlive what is your problem
[16:10] <ClientAlive> broadcom wireless
[16:10] <Fanshawe> How do I remove xapian if it's connected to the software center and such?
[16:10] <ClientAlive> I don't know how to interpret the output of some commands and it isn't going according to online instructions
[16:12] <L3top> ClientAlive: I assume you are following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[16:14] <mala> hello
[16:15] <mala> i'm trying to use selinux at ubuntu
[16:15] <ClientAlive> L3top: I am here but someone chatted with me in a pm window/thingy
[16:15] <mala> can someone help?
[16:15] <ClientAlive> by now I know the steps by heart (trust me)
[16:15] <melkor> New dell with a perc card, ubuntu finds the hard drives. After I remove the card ubuntu doesn't find the sata drives.
[16:16] <mala> anyone know selinux here?
[16:16] <Dr_Willis> 'perc card' ?
[16:17] <bazhang> mala, whats the exact question about selinux
[16:17] <L3top> This is why pm solutions arent advised. I have no idea what you guys have done already.
[16:17] <L3top> Dr_Willis: it is a HW RAID card
[16:17] <LordOfTime> L3top: and this is why !privmsg exists :p
[16:17] <genii-around> melkor: Probably because that card is to set up the hardware raid and the drives get re-ordered when you remove it ( or the raid array dissolves )
[16:17] <ubernewb> what would be the easiest way to move a ubuntu install to another disk? would rsync, boot rescue cd, chroot, reinstall grub work?
[16:17] <bazhang> !selinux | mala
[16:18] <geirha> sam1967: Sorry, was away. Did you figure it out? I tried to explain how to find it in the system monitor earlier.
[16:18] <Dr_Willis> ubernewb:  you can  clone one hd to another with dd. or other tools
[16:18] <genii-around> melkor: Is there some reason you are removing the PERC controller?
[16:18] <ubernewb> Dr_Willis, but has different sizes and most of the HDD is free, so i thought rsync would do, too
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> ubernewb:  i use gparted to resize, or repartion the unallocated space afterwards
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> ubernewb:  clonezilla may be a better tool for your needs
[16:19] <ubernewb> Dr_Willis, good idea
[16:19] <ubernewb> Dr_Willis, clonezilla sounds good, never tested it but will give it a try
[16:20] <mala> ubottu: do you prefer apparmor or selinux?
[16:20] <bazhang> mala, did you read the apparmor link from the bot?
[16:20] <xubuntu_> how do i remove BURG anyone
[16:20] <bazhang> xubuntu_, how was it installed
[16:21] <xubuntu_> via the terminal
[16:21] <bazhang> !info burg | xubuntu_
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> xubuntu_:  how did you install burg?
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> burg replaces grub i belive.. so reinstall grub.
[16:21] <bazhang> xubuntu_, its not in the repos, so how exactly did you do that
[16:21] <xubuntu_> Dr_Willis how?
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> xubuntu_:  via the package manager tools
[16:22] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get install grub  (or grub-pc)
[16:22] <ubernewb> Dr_Willis, thank you, will go and try now
[16:22] <xubuntu_> Dr_willis wil give a go\
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> Id hope 'install burg guide' you followed xubuntu_  have info on how to get back to 'normal'
[16:23] <mala> bazhang: no , i will read now
[16:23] <mala> bazhang: thanks
[16:23] <Fanshawe> Hello again everyone. I'm afraid I've still only got a worrying ~30mb free, but it is enough to run most of what I want. Except Firefox now isn't working. I'm getting an 'already running' error, despite finding nothing in the processes and restarting my computer. How do I get Firefox running again?
[16:23] <Fanshawe> Even removing and reinstalling the package didn't seem to work.
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> removeing/reinstalling a package is sort of a 'windows mindset'
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> Unless you messed with the firefox system files.
[16:24] <deww> might be a lock file somewhere
[16:25] <Fanshawe> If by 'messed with' you mean 'desperately deleted trying to get some space' then... yeah. (Oops).
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> Amazing how browsers always have to run in such a  complex way that they need lock files and other things. ;)
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  hard telling whats going on if you have just been deleting system files.
[16:25] <DWSR> Anyone that can help me with installing FGLRX? I tried using the `Additional Drivers` applet and it just spits out an error that I can make heads or tails of. I can pastebin /var/log/jockey.log
[16:25] <xubuntu_> how do i remove a package?
[16:25] <taime1> i have a laptop that i installed 11.04 on. to boot the live usb, i had to use the nouveau.modeset=0 option. However, now that the system is installed (and using grub 1.99), the nouveau.modeset=0 option simply causes this error: unexpected exit with status 0x0009. Every websitei read says that this option should defeat that very error message, so why does it invoke it on my system?
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> xubuntu_:  package manager tools. such as synaptic or  software center, or sudo apt-get remove packagename
[16:26] <ClientAlive> xubuntu: sudo apt-get remove <package name>
[16:26] <ClientAlive> that's the way to do it on the command line
[16:26] <melkor> It appeas that libre office has a new release, is there a ppa so that I can have the latest released version?
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> !ppa
[16:26] <LordOfTime> Dr_Willis: evil ninja :/
[16:27] <ClientAlive> oh, sorry Dr_Willis I didn't see you were helping him. My bad.
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> its sort of scary when peopel are messing with BURG and dont understand the basics of the package manager system. :)
[16:28] <GeForce88> ubuntu 12.04 - i'm trying to triple boot my system ( which i used to do before a fresh install of 7) now grub only detects ubuntu and 7. it does not see the xp install(which is on the same physical disk as ubuntu) . if i remove the windows 7 drive, and re run update-grub the cfg still doesn't detect the xp install, and chooses 7, in which case with that drive unhook, fails.. i need to manually edit the grub bootloader maybe to force it to detect
[16:28] <GeForce88>  xp ?
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> GeForce88:  you could make a custom entry for the xp install and put it in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[16:29] <ClientAlive> again, someone was helping me but I'm not sure where they went. Anyone else (I need to get this working like I need to breath).
[16:29] <Fanshawe> well, it took a bit of silliness, but a total deletion of the directory and a reinstall has it running again, albeit from its right-out-of-the-box state
[16:29] <Fanshawe> Thank you all again for your help
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> deletion of wht directory?
[16:30] <Fanshawe> .mozilla in my home directory
[16:30] <ClientAlive> apparently they left in the middle (the person's name is no longer listed as being logged on).
[16:31] <ClientAlive> I guess people think it's funny. I don't know anymore.
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> helpers have real lifes. so often they have to leave.
[16:31] <LordOfTime> ^
[16:32] <DWSR> ClientAlive: Additionally, people have internet or power failures. Most likely they didn´t leave through any malicious intent, though if you are behaving like this, perhaps they simply stopped wanting to help you
[16:32] <ClientAlive> yes but he never said a word and I keep investing time to explain the same thing over and over and not getting ahead with the computer problem
[16:33] <ClientAlive> DWSR: What am I supposed to do?
[16:33] <DWSR> If you need support on a deadline, get commercial support from Canonnical.
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> its also possible ClientAlive  that if you connected via wired network and did a 'sudo apt-get update''sudo apt-get upgrade' that there may be some fixed packages/kernel that solve the issue IF its a known bug. You mentioned the card worked in earlier releases. but not the latest one.
[16:33] <an0n> In a compaq notebook with 1 gb of ram and a radeon xpress 200m which would be more appropriate to install? Windows xp dual boot with slackware (or freeBSD) or install Ubuntu 12.04 LTS around hd?
[16:34] <Dr_Willis> an0n:  totally depends on the task you want to do. since BSD is not Linux.
[16:34] <pseudosudo> Hi anyone available here?
[16:34] <grozavpaul> geirha: thanks, NXServer works now
[16:35] <Dr_Willis> 200m is a very low end video card.  so Lubuntu May give better preformacen an0n
[16:35] <ClientAlive> Dr_Willis: ok. I did that before but never know. Perhaps something just came down the pipe.
[16:35] <justin_> pseudosudo, hi
[16:35] <melkor> Where can I edit my software sources?
[16:35] <an0n> Dr_Willis: programming
[16:35] <pseudosudo> hey justin_, I have a question about a situation i'm in
[16:35] <IdleOne> melkor: /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:35] <xangua> melkor: open Software Center, Edit, Sources
[16:36] <IdleOne> pseudosudo: just ask it.
[16:36] <melkor> Thanks I would prefer not to edit /etc/apt/sources manually.
[16:39] <ClientAlive> maybe it's just a situation where there is nothing that can be done. That would suck really bad but I suppose it's possible.
[16:40] <pseudosudo> I have a ubuntu server and I installed many applications, put many scripts on it, and had a lot of files on it. Unfortunately, my system died and it won't boot up. The motherboard died. My question is.... Is it possible to recover my ubuntu installation and everything on it onto a new system ?? Or is there a way to get a list of all the applications I've installed and retrieve all the
[16:40] <pseudosudo> scripts and files i had on it
[16:42] <melkor> pseudosudo: if the hard drive is ok, there is a good chance another system could boot from it.
[16:42] <minihydra> how come "w" command does not show user logged in wia display manager?
[16:42] <melkor> pseudosudo: it also depends on how much different the hardware is.
[16:42] <pseudosudo> melkor, the ubuntu system is on an old p4..... so
[16:43] <pseudosudo> melkor, whatever hardware i put the harddrives on will be very differnt
[16:43] <pseudosudo> What's the best way to go about recovering my ubuntu installation? Such as retrieving all the applications and settings, files, scripts, startup/init settings, etc?
[16:44] <alexThunder> I have a new notebook with integrated intel graphics (ivy bridge) and a radeon 7970m (apparently a muxless system), but when I try to setup flgrx, amdconfig tells me "No supported adapters detected" :/
[16:46] <vincypa> !hello
[16:46] <melkor> alexThunder: if you do not find help here you can also check #ati
[16:46] <alexThunder> ok, thanks
[16:47] <L3top> alexThunder: please give me the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
[16:48] <L3top> pseudosudo: recover or duplicate?
[16:48] <pseudosudo> recover
[16:48] <pseudosudo> my system's motherboard died, and it's too old to be replaced
[16:49] <pseudosudo> if I plug in the hard drives into a new system, I doubt things will work properly since all my other systems are generations newer.
[16:49] <melkor> pseudosudo: you should be able to access the harddrive with your new system, but not boot from it.
[16:49] <alexThunder> L3top: http://paste.kde.org/517232
[16:50] <Dr_Willis> pseudosudo:  theres external usb enclosures that are handy for accessing old hard drives.
[16:51] <L3top> Chances are it will just come alive plugging into a new board... and work will be needed to get it up to speed w/regard to video/networking. I would just clone the drive off, and plug n pray. I swap experimental installs around from system to system all the time from varying decades. Moving up to newer is much cleaner than going backwards.
[16:51] <L3top> alexThunder: update-pciids   and do it again please
[16:52] <pseudosudo> L3top, that is good news but I can't help but think about all the left over drivers/files that will be spread across the OS from the old hardware
[16:52] <alexThunder> L3top: http://paste.kde.org/517238
[16:52] <L3top> pseudosudo: correct. You will need to remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules etc...
[16:53]  * genii-around makes a note about update-pciids next to his notes about update-usbids
[16:53] <L3top> pseudosudo: there is no clean way to do this without having the system available to make a remaster cd or something... that I know of.
[16:53] <bieb> I need to create 10 users on ubuntu 12.04 for lab environment, the will be lab1, lab2, etc, they all need the exact same desktop when they login, what is the fastest way to accomplish this?
[16:53] <L3top> ok alexThunder. Are you using vga-switcheroo or anything?
[16:54] <alexThunder> no
[16:54] <alexThunder> vga switcheroo only works with the open source drivers, doesn't it?
[16:54] <L3top> correct... that was why I asked :P
[16:55] <alexThunder> :)
[16:55] <alexThunder> afaik, radeon_si doesn't even support 7xxx series yet
[16:56] <L3top> alexThunder: I believe that what is happening is that it is using/seeing the first GPU, the intel... which is why it does not believe that there is any proprietary to get.  one more time, lets lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A2
[16:56]  * L3top would consider blacklisting the intel if all you want is the ati
[16:57] <alexThunder> http://paste.kde.org/517244
[16:57] <alexThunder> ok, i'll try that
[16:57] <escaped> hello, does somebody if its possible to setup 2 external monitors (displayport, dvi) and sound (hdmi) all together using a nvidia gts 450?
[16:57] <L3top> Well... I dunno that it is gonna be that easy alexThunder.
[16:58] <L3top> alexThunder: the way it works is that the ati gpu runs through the intel head... I dunno... I just havent seen enough of these to get any good experiments done.
[16:59] <L3top> Oh... neat... it's a clevo... they used to make the alienware stuff.
[16:59] <qubit[01]> join #clojure
[16:59] <alexThunder> now that you mention it, yeah - i think i've read that the readeon is only for rendering, not for displaying
[17:00] <alexThunder> and yes, its a clevo (Schenker XMG P702), which is a clevo p170em afaik
[17:00] <L3top> well alex, you can sudo apt-get install fglrx... I think you will have to do some xorg.conf trickery to get it working right.
[17:01] <alexThunder> right now i got the official amd fglrx installed (12-6)
[17:01] <alexThunder> but apparently only software rendering is working
[17:02]  * L3top avoids anything over 12-4 like the plague because it dropped support for most stuff on the planet... but for you will work.
[17:02] <L3top> if you look at your last pastebin... it isn't using the fglrx... so if you installed it... you are, like I said, most likely going to have to force its use with some xorg.conf magic.
[17:04] <alexThunder> hm, do you know any good tutorials about what i could try? it's been some time since i last touched xorg.conf
[17:04] <L3top> I could try and walk you through it. Chances are you do not even have one right now. check ls /etc/X11/x*
[17:05] <alexThunder> http://paste.kde.org/517250
[17:06] <drag0nius> how do i set grub to remember selection with 12.04?
[17:06] <drag0nius> startup manager isnt here anymore
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> drag0nius:  i belive theres a section on that in the grub2 forum thread/docs/wiki page.
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[17:06] <L3top> That isn't the whole thing is it alexThunder?
[17:06] <alexThunder> as far as i can believe cat, it is
[17:07] <Dr_Willis> drag0nius:  i think theres a entry in /etc/default/grub  that enables the  'rember last selection'.
[17:07] <L3top> wow... ok alexThunder mv that and run ati-configure --initial... I believe... let me check that.
[17:07] <drag0nius> i set it
[17:07] <drag0nius> didnt help
[17:08] <Katronix> Hello all, if you accidentally run do-release-upgrade -d is it possible to downgrade that to the latest stable version?
[17:08] <genii-around> !downgrade
[17:08] <Dr_Willis> drag0nius:  you ran sudo update-grub afterwards?
[17:08] <alexThunder> L3top: amdconfig (or aticonfig) tells me "No supported adapters detected"
[17:09] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/148662/how-to-get-grub2-to-remember-last-choice
[17:09] <drag0nius> ohh theres second option
[17:10] <pybiru> test
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> 2 options.. ;) and a command that lets you change the saved one it seems drag0nius
[17:10]  * L3top is thinking alexThunder.
[17:10] <drag0nius> i set only simple default option
[17:10] <Dr_Willis> drag0nius:  not sure if the # starts at 0 or 1 for the first entry
[17:11] <drag0nius> think i found some manager for grub2
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> askubuntu.com lens for unity - so handy :)
[17:11] <drag0nius> i didnt edit it with text editor for sure on stationary comp
[17:11] <Dr_Willis> i never use anything else than a text editor. ;)
[17:13] <L3top> alexThunder: lets do it the old fashioned way. Kill X and run Xorg -configure
[17:13] <L3top> alexThunder: what version of buntu are you using?
[17:14] <alexThunder> 12.04
[17:15] <alexThunder> is there a gracefull way to kill it?
[17:15]  * L3top would probably blacklist the intel driver... see if I could get aticonfig to generate one, and merge the two xorg.confs just stuffing the ati rendering specific stuff into the one generated by xorg.conf, being careful to leave the BusIDs alone
[17:15] <Katronix> Hello all, if you accidentally run do-release-upgrade -d is it possible to downgrade that to the latest stable version?
[17:15] <beandog> alexThunder: pkill X
[17:15] <L3top> sudo service lightdm stop   alexThunder
[17:15] <Daxter> !downgrade
[17:16] <beandog> oh, n/m
[17:16] <Daxter> !downgrade | Katronix
[17:16] <pseudosudo> L3top, where can I find applications i've installed? What folder are applications usually in?
[17:16] <Katronix> ok, well hopefully the developmental version is pretty stable
[17:17] <Fanshawe> Hell again. I'm trying to clear out /var/lib/dpkg/info, but I'm getting back an error, 'argument list too long'.
[17:17] <L3top> oh... it really depends pseudosudo. /bin /usr/share/bin I mean... they are kind of all over... and tend to put pieces of themselves all over. You can see what I mean by typing dpkg -S <package name> on whatever you are on.
[17:17] <Fanshawe> or rather, 'sudo: unable to execute /usr/bin/apt-get: Argument list too long'
[17:18] <L3top> Fanshawe: can you start over and tell us what exactly you are trying to do and why?
[17:18] <pseudosudo> Thanks for your help L3top
[17:19] <Fanshawe> Sure, yes. Earlier I was struggling with space on my filesystem. Originally there was a problem with a 'xapian' directory eating too much memory.
[17:20] <L3top> np pseudosudo... you know... what you MIGHT try doing... is mounting the drive, binding /dev none mounting a few other drives, chroot into it, and installing remastersys... then creating a liveCD from that install, which may just install your exact system onto a new environment. That would probably be the direction I took.
[17:20] <Fanshawe> Now I'm looking to clear out more, as I've only managed to get about 15mb to myself.
[17:20] <L3top> s/other drives/otherlocations/
[17:20] <alexThunder> well, L3top , my machine died by killing x
[17:21] <L3top> wouch.
[17:21] <L3top> thats... abnormal.
[17:21] <Fanshawe> The reason I'm looking to clear out /var/lib/dpkg/info is that it's currently taking up the most space, by the way.
[17:21] <kjpoxjpoojqsosj> hello hello
[17:22] <L3top> Fanshawe: have you tried running sudo apt-get clean etc?
[17:22] <|2ump|2oast> hello
[17:22] <Fanshawe> I have, and it seems to make no difference.
[17:23] <L3top> alexThunder: you might boot into recovery console... and do it from there. Might need to remount with read/write
[17:23] <bekks> Fanshawe: How much space is it using then?
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> :/var/lib/dpkg/info$ du -hs
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> 109mb   here.
[17:24] <bekks> 111MB here.
[17:24] <L3top> 68mb here
[17:24] <Fanshawe> How much space is what using? /var/lib/apt is using 65mb, /var/lib/dpkg/info is taking up another 50
[17:24] <Dr_Willis> bekks:  show off.. ;P
[17:24] <bekks> Dr_Willis: I won. :P
[17:24] <bekks> Fanshawe: Thats not much at all.
[17:25] <Fanshawe> Then why did I have so much more free space before? I don't understand
[17:25] <|2ump|2oast> does anyone out there use a bare metal backup / restore program for ubuntu / ubuntu server ?  I've tried mondo / mindi but restore didn't work out very well
[17:25] <L3top> !info gdmap | Fanshawe try installing this... it visualises disk space. Makes it very easy to find big files to evaluate if you need them.
[17:25] <bekks> Fanshawe: Define "so much more" please. How much more?
[17:26] <L3top> du -hs /var/log
[17:26] <L3top> hmmm... where are coredumps...
[17:27] <Fanshawe> Alright, perhaps not much by most standards, but at the moment Ubuntu is installed on a tiny SD card,
[17:27] <bekks> Fanshawe: Define "tiny" please.
[17:27] <Fanshawe> The free space I had before was about 300mb, consistently, when I used sudo apt-get clean.
[17:27] <Fanshawe> 4gb
[17:28] <Fanshawe> ubuntu is currently installed on a 4gb sd card
[17:28] <Dr_Willis> sounds like youmay want to disable logging totally.
[17:29] <Fanshawe> that sounds good, would that prevent the space used sneaking up?
[17:29] <alexThunder> hah, finally
[17:29] <alexThunder> i killed it
[17:29] <L3top> Fanshawe: what is the output of du -hs /var/log   out of curiosity
[17:29] <bekks> with fire? *scnr* :)
[17:30] <L3top> lol
[17:30] <alexThunder> does Xorg -configure store a log somewhere?
[17:30] <TuxyThePenguin> Which bootloader should i use (not GRUB)
[17:30] <chixup> hello there
[17:30] <bekks> Fanshawe: It will prevent using space for logging.
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  perhaps explain why not grub2
[17:30] <bekks> TuxyThePenguin: Why not?
[17:30] <L3top> ok alexThunder yes... I believe it does... but it will dump a file ~/xorg.conf.new   that is what we really want. I need that pastebinned if you dont mind.
[17:30] <nickun> hello guys
[17:30] <TuxyThePenguin> I cannot type bootflags bekks dr_willis
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> since most other boot loaders are either out of date. or used in special cases.
[17:31] <bekks> TuxyThePenguin: huh?
[17:31] <alexThunder> kk
[17:31] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  that made no sence.
[17:31] <nickun> 25 male
[17:31] <bekks> TuxyThePenguin: What exactly are you trying to do?
[17:31] <DJones> nickun: Do you have an Ubuntu support question? This isn't a dating channel
[17:31] <TuxyThePenguin> bekks im trying to boot A hackintosh with a special bootcode
[17:32] <beandog> DJones: man, that explains a lot ..
[17:32] <Fanshawe> http://pastebin.com/00puGHjg
[17:32] <Fanshawe> that is all that shows upon the du command
[17:33] <alexThunder> L3top: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090243/
[17:33] <bekks> Fanshawe: Use this one: du -h --max-depth=1 /var/
[17:33] <TuxyThePenguin> is BURG a good bootloader
[17:33] <aaas> anyone know of a way to extract the ocr layer (not image) of a pdf and apply it to another document? is it even possible?
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  burg is grub2 with extra options.
[17:33] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  and its not supported here.
[17:33] <TuxyThePenguin> so should i keep grub
[17:34] <alexThunder> btw, it told me, that it failed, because the number of screens doesnt match the devices
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  I dont see why you need anythign else then grub. perhaps the hackintosh docs/guides will explain  what to use.
[17:34] <Fanshawe> http://pastebin.com/rzn10uuk
[17:34] <alexThunder> *doesnt match the numer of detected devices
[17:34] <TuxyThePenguin> does the chameleon bootloader work on linux
[17:34] <L3top> Ok that is the craziest xorg I have ever seen. Gimme a minute alexThunder.
[17:35] <alexThunder> kk :D
[17:36] <beandog> Fanshawe: try ncdu, it's *much* better
[17:36] <TuxyThePenguin> Vista not installing
[17:36] <Fanshawe> I'm not even really sure what information you guys are looking for? I'll use whatever commands you think are the most useful.
[17:36] <beandog> Fanshawe: what are you trying to do
[17:36] <bekks> Fanshawe: I just told you one :)
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  if its not part of  the normal ubuntus.. then basically we dont know. or support it.
[17:36] <bekks> Fanshawe: Just use it, and provide the output please.
[17:37] <Fanshawe> bekks: http://pastebin.com/rzn10uuk
[17:37] <bekks> Fanshawe: Please use sudo.
[17:38] <L3top> alexThunder: can you please use regular pastebin.com. The buntus are terrible and want me to login and throw line numbers etc in when I try and copy from the html.
[17:38] <TuxyThePenguin> wifi printer support?
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  ask actual question?
[17:39] <alexThunder> sure
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> My brother wifi printer works very well.
[17:39] <Fanshawe> bekks: http://pastebin.com/S6T4KZXY
[17:39] <TuxyThePenguin> how do i print to a pixma wifi printer from ubuntu 12.04
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> !printing
[17:40] <DWSR> Anyone that can help me with installing FGLRX? I tried using the `Additional Drivers` applet and it just spits out an error that I can make heads or tails of. I can pastebin /var/log/jockey.log
[17:40] <bekks> Fanshawe: 194M for /var looks pretty good.
[17:40] <Dr_Willis> configure it with the printing config tools. or the cups web interface.. assumng its supporting linux/cups.. Canon  has very poor linux support at times.
[17:40] <alexThunder> http://pastebin.com/jBT9mrGV
[17:41] <L3top> ok alexThunder I am also going to need to see the output of xrandr -q
[17:41] <L3top> I need to know what resolution you are aiming for
[17:41] <TuxyThePenguin> PRINTING ISSUE SOLVED
[17:41] <Fanshawe> bekks: So is there no way I can decrease the amount of space it uses? Even just using regular programs causes me to tip over the edge.
[17:42] <L3top> alexThunder: that will of course need to be done from WITHIN X lol
[17:42] <alexThunder> http://pastebin.com/ZWXMTnT4
[17:43] <alexThunder> sorry, if it takes some time, but pastebin.com seems to be slow for me right now
[17:44] <Fanshawe> I basically need to use the minimum amount of space possible in order to stop that from happening again, where I have -no- space at all on my filesystem and can't even remove anything via synaptic or the terminal
[17:44] <TuxyThePenguin> burg install guide please
[17:44] <beandog> Fanshawe: how big is your drive
[17:44] <Fanshawe> 4gb
[17:45] <L3top> alexThunder: you are running 1080p now... so I will safely assume that is what you want. Please give me the output of cvt 1920 1080 60.1
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> TuxyThePenguin:  see burg homepage. this channel does not support BURG. and it has the same features as Grub2 - with just fancy themes
[17:46] <alexThunder> L3top: http://pastebin.com/uSS57bfZ
[17:47] <L3top> alexThunder: it looks like you are currently connected both to your laptop LVDS screen and an HDMI out to a monitor/tv.... correct?
[17:47] <beandog> Fanshawe: your best bet is to probably delete the downloaded packages
[17:47] <beandog> I dunno where they are stored though
[17:47] <alexThunder> dvi
[17:47] <alexThunder> but the LVDS actually should be disabled
[17:47] <L3top> same thing to that it seems.
[17:47] <beandog> Fanshawe: do you have another partition  you can store stuff on?
[17:48] <L3top> It will always show connected I believe alexThunder. I dont fool with laptops in this area too much. so I could be wrong.
[17:48] <Fanshawe> only another, separate SD in the laptop, but that seems to be treated as secondary/external (i.e. I can't install ubuntu on it)
[17:48] <alexThunder> seems that way - since LVDS is pretty black right now :D
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  you could mount it somewhere on / and use it as a system directory
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  or /home/
[17:49] <Dr_Willis> or both actually. :) with some work
[17:49] <L3top> alexThunder: I will be away for a few minutes trying to generate this. I havent left... but wont be here.
[17:49] <Fanshawe> I would love to be able to do that, that would give me an extra 8gb right off
[17:50] <alexThunder> well i got plenty of time for today ^^ i'm already thankful, that you invested so much time until now
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  make an entry in the fstab file for it. :) depending on what youa re doing with it.
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> time to save up your nickles and buy bigger sd cards. :) or get a usb-flash drive.
[17:51] <L3top> alexThunder: I will tell you a secret... I am very curious about your hardware... and it is rare. I need to know if I can autodetect/autogenerate this for our project... so it is somewhat less selfless than it might appear :P
[17:52] <Fanshawe> beandog: You suggested I clear out old downloaded package files, and I tried to do that via synaptic, no difference.
[17:52] <beandog> oh okay
[17:52] <Fanshawe> thank you though, anything to save space
[17:53] <Fanshawe> Dr_Willis: Are there any guides on how to mount a secondary drive in /?
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  remove libreoffice ;)
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  rather fundamental stuff.. just figure out what  system dir you want on the pation and make a fstab entry for it.. move existing stuff to the new fs.. and mount it where it needs to go
[17:53] <Fanshawe> You know, there is probably quite a bit of software I could drop, but that's the thing, 300mb has been eaten out of nowhere. Which might not seem like much, but is when you only have 4gb together.
[17:54] <qw_> hello all
[17:54] <alexThunder> L3top: well, i'm fine with that :D
[17:54] <qw_> help me please
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> 300mb is firefox cache here...
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> or any other apps caches... trivial amount of space.
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> I got more wallpaper then that. ;P
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> Seriously - you are lucky the sytem is going to be useable with just 4gb - no matter what you do. :)  Unless you have really really specilized needs.
[17:55] <qw_> in skype my friend did"t my speak
[17:55] <Bronze> didn't or can't
[17:55] <Bronze> ?
[17:56] <qw_> )
[17:56] <alexThunder> i guess his friend couldn't hear him speaking
[17:56] <qw_> no
[17:57] <Fanshawe> Dr_Willis: Thank you for that, but I've been relying on apt-get clean to get me a decent amount of free space for a while now.
[17:57] <Fanshawe> I don't understand why it would simply stop working?
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> we are getting way to good at playing '20 questions' to get to the real problem. ;)
[17:57] <LordOfTime> ^
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> ~/.mozilla$ du -hs
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> 249M.
[17:57] <bekks> Fanshawe: If you think you are wasting too much space, use the command I gave you on / instead of /var/
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> Fanshawe:  as i said.. even my firefox cache settings dir.. is almost 300mb...
[17:58] <bekks> Then break it down to see where you are actually wasting space.
[17:58] <Peppyuk> Good evening all.
[17:58] <Dr_Willis> libreoffice is perhaps the largest single app on  the ubuntu system.
[17:58] <qw_> my aunt doesn't hear me on Skype I it I hear and it isn't present me
[17:58] <nullpointertohum> Hello Ubuntu-ers!
[17:59] <nullpointertohum> Hmm... it seems my name got cut off :(
[17:59] <d0gbyt3> what channel would be best to sort out bluetooth problems in a VM for backtrack5
[17:59] <Dr_Willis> d0gbyt3:  see backtrack support channels.
[17:59] <d0gbyt3> thanks Dr
[17:59] <ClientAlive> I
[18:00] <ClientAlive> I've almost got it. I'm connected wirelessly now but for some reason - if I reboot with the ethernet cable unplugged, network manager doesn't even try to make the wireless connection. Why might this be happening?
[18:00] <ai_> hello, can u help me , the optimus nvidia problem?
[18:00] <nullpointertohum> Any programmers in here who are interested in joining (beginning really) a development team for a 2D platform game?
[18:01] <qw_> рудз ьу
[18:01] <qw_> help me
[18:02] <nishttal2> does anyone know how to install Adobe Air on 64bit Ubuntu
[18:02] <Fanshawe> bekks: could I have that command again, please?
[18:02] <bekks> Fanshawe: sudo du -h --max-depth=1 /
[18:02] <nishttal2> i keep getting "Adobe AIR could not be installed. Install either Gnome Keyring or KDE KWallet before installing Adobe AIR."
[18:03] <nishttal2> Gnome Keyring is installed though
[18:03] <L3top> qw_: help is more likely if you do not demand it. Your problem seems to be with a specific program... skype. I assume you have opened alsamixer and made sure that your mic was not muted, and indeed shows up?
[18:04] <qw_> no programm skype
[18:04] <qw_> in my system
 in skype my friend did"t my speak
[18:06] <L3top> !details | qw
[18:06] <Fanshawe> what is 'ubuntu-docs'? The help files?
[18:06] <Fanshawe> I can safely delete them, right?
[18:07] <MadsRC> So, I've enabled SSH on my server, and forced it to use keys. I've generated a public and private key from my laptop, and transfered the private(?) key using ssh-copy-id user@server to .ssh/autorizedkeys. Say I want to log in to the server from another machine, what do I need on that machine? private or public? or both?
[18:08] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: you probably copied the public ID (private ID isnt ever copied)
[18:08] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: you should generate a new public/private key pair in the other machine
[18:08] <MadsRC> That's what I thought
[18:08] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: and then use ssh-copy-id accordingly
[18:08] <MadsRC> Ah, so I can't reuse the public/private key's I already made?
[18:09] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: the alternative is you take both ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and ~/.ssh/id_rsa and copy that to the new machine
[18:09] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: but i would recommend using individual SSH keys for each machine
[18:09] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: in case one of your machines gets stolen, for instance.
[18:09] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: then, rather than purging the entire key which was shared, you can just remove that machine's specific key.
[18:09] <MadsRC> Ah, good thought
[18:09] <ClientAlive> does anyone know what my /etc/network/interfaces should look like. It has no content regarding wlan0 in it and the wireless connection fails on booting up.
[18:10] <MadsRC> But it is possible to reuse the pair i made?
[18:10] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: yes, i just explained, copy ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub and ~/.ssh/id_rsa or whatever the keys are to the new system's user's ~/.ssh folder
[18:10] <LordOfTime> where the files to copy exist on the first machine you generated those keys on
[18:11] <LordOfTime> s/those keys/the key pair/
[18:11] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: but from an ITSec perspective, I recommend separate keys.
[18:11] <LordOfTime> just in case
[18:11] <beandog> ssh-copy-id
[18:11] <beandog> much simpler
[18:12] <MadsRC> Yeah, i follow
[18:12] <ClientAlive> could I be missing something on my system that I need to install? Something to do with wpa supplicant?
[18:12] <beandog> ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub user@host
[18:12] <beandog> done
[18:12] <MadsRC> But, if the server requires keys, I will only be able to do the ssh-copy-id from a machine already with keys right?
[18:12] <zixxy> ClientAlive, auto lo iface lo inet loopback <-- that's what's in my interfaces file
[18:12] <beandog> MadsRC: right
[18:12] <beandog> You still need to get in there *somehow* though
[18:12] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  normally wifi starts when the user logs in from what ive seen.. not at boot up.
[18:13] <beandog> but I see what you're saying
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  or is that what you ment?
[18:13] <MadsRC> Yup, planning on getting it there in a encrpyted container :)
[18:13] <beandog> MadsRC: make sure the permissions are correct.  0700 on .ssh and 0600 on the authorized_keys
[18:13] <ok_> ha, if anyones interested i just figured i can boot my portable usb 12.04 install in a vm now (that doesn't support usb boot) with grub disc 2. amazing!
[18:13] <TheVoid> hulo, i need halp. am running ubuntu 10.04 and my processor widget inside my taskbar and system monitor is saying 100% cpu is being used, when it's totally fine. I don't see any process causing this either... :( why is this happening? perhaps i need to reboot?
[18:13] <TheVoid> also
[18:13] <TheVoid>  19:13:49 up 1 day, 18:52,  2 users,  load average: 4.65, 4.64, 4.60
[18:14] <ok_> sorry *supergrubdisc
[18:14] <ok_> *2
[18:14] <agike> How does one recursively change a restored fs from root to user ? I keep getting it wrong ..
[18:14] <MadsRC> Can I rename the files?
[18:14] <ok_> its been a long day sorry
[18:14] <genii-around> Hm, pretty high load averages
[18:14] <TheVoid> yep
[18:14] <ok_> just had to tell someone
[18:14] <TheVoid> also, i am running on a netbook (samsung N210)
[18:14] <TheVoid> loads are usually like 1-2
[18:14] <beandog> MadsRC: rename what files
[18:15] <MadsRC> the keys
[18:15] <ClientAlive> Dr_Willis: I got the connection to work but when I reboot with the cable unplugged network manager does not find anything to connect to so it boots with no networking. I can go to the command line after logging on and do a sudo ifconfig wlan0 up and a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  and then my wireless connects
[18:15] <MadsRC> forget it, they won't ever be on the same machine :P
[18:15] <MadsRC> so no need to rename
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  odd.  sounds like something may be timing out. or delayed. You could try putting those commands in /etc/rc.local
[18:15] <r0tha> ClientAlive: you could try adding something to the /etc/init.d/ folder so it start whenyou boot
[18:15] <ClientAlive> thank you zizzy btw
[18:16] <MadsRC> But I should chmod 700 on the clients .ssh folder and 600 on the autthorized_keys file?
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> ClientAlive:  id check what modules are loaded befor and after the ifconfig wlan0 up command..  could be they are  not loading at boot.
[18:16] <genii-around> TheVoid: What's the process at the top of the list when you run "top -n1"
[18:16] <Peppyuk> Hi all, I'm pretty new to linux and am looking for some help with my server.
[18:16] <beandog> MadsRC: yah
[18:16] <LordOfTime> Peppyuk: help how?
[18:17] <ClientAlive> I will check that. thank you.
[18:17] <MadsRC> Thanks guys :D
[18:17] <LordOfTime> MadsRC: that's why we're here.
[18:17]  * beandog is here for the cookies
[18:17] <TheVoid> genii-around: top is
[18:17] <Peppyuk> LordOfTime: Any file I try and read from the server are very very slow to read.
[18:17] <TheVoid> chromium
[18:18] <TheVoid> then gedit
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> Peppyuk:  read how?
[18:18] <LordOfTime> what Dr_Willis said
[18:18] <TheVoid> top using 5% cpu being on top
[18:18] <MadsRC> There's no need to do sudo chmod 700 .ssh instead of chmod 700 .ssh ? Wouldn't sudo make root the owner of it?
[18:18] <r0tha> MadsRC: I've always found this article very helpful -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[18:18] <Dr_Willis> drwx------  2 willis willis   4096 May  2 04:26 .ssh
[18:19] <MadsRC> Already read it r0tha :P
[18:19] <genii-around> TheVoid: Have you tried shutting it down and restarting it?
[18:19] <MadsRC> Just clearing up what I not 100% sure about
[18:19] <r0tha> MadsRC: ahh gotcha
[18:19] <TheVoid> genii-around: you mean the computer? no. :p
[18:19] <TheVoid> would probably fix it
[18:19] <TheVoid> not 100% sure
[18:19] <TheVoid> but i've never gotten the problem before
[18:19] <r0tha> MadsRC: so what'd i'd try is a ls -la in the directory
[18:20] <r0tha> it will list who the owner is since i"m not totally sure
[18:20] <genii-around> TheVoid: chromium :-)
[18:20] <TheVoid> ah
[18:20] <MadsRC> That shows my user as owner of the files
[18:20] <TheVoid> shut it down - no difference
[18:20] <Payl> hi, can any1 help me with GUI problem in Lubuntu?
[18:20] <hp__> when my pc starts , it stays @ Checking battery stat ..... [ok]
[18:20] <MadsRC> But should root be the owner?
[18:20] <Peppyuk> Dr_Willis: Anything I try and read from the server. I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 and it's been fine but the last couple of weeks the IO read speed is slow. I use samba, can copy file to the server fine, can't read them, also get the same using VSFTPD and wordpress. I did follow a guide for changing the network driversbut that hasn't helped
[18:20] <hp__> after that i wont do anything ?
[18:20] <TheVoid> started it again - no fix
[18:21] <hp__> anybody a idee
[18:21] <KorvinSzanto> my side-bar on my left monitor won't retract :( I don't want to reboot or log off, is there anything I can do?
[18:21] <Dr_Willis> Peppyuk:  and how is it networked? Try just normal ssh/scp so  you can get some actual #'s on the speeds.
[18:21] <KorvinSzanto> I've cycled the hide/don'thide setting that didn't work
[18:22] <Dr_Willis> KorvinSzanto:   you could try unity --restart perhaps.
[18:22] <Dr_Willis> KorvinSzanto:  you are not using Unity2d are you?
[18:22] <Payl> anybody got idea howto fix startx error 'no driver'? X -configure also fails, i noticed that only driver avail is 'vmware'. ideas?
[18:22] <KorvinSzanto> no
[18:22] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  this is a normal ubuntu install on a desktop? laptop? what video card?
[18:23] <Payl> Dr_Willis, it's laptop with some Intel graphics, i installed Lubuntu from text instalator (alternative)
[18:23] <Payl> it's old HP laptop.
[18:23] <Peppyuk> Dr_Willis: I connect to it using ssh which seems to work ok, although it has the odd pause here and there.
[18:23] <Dr_Willis> Peppyuk:  wired or wireless networking?
[18:24] <L3top> alexThunder: Ok... lets give this a swing. Do not be disappointed if it does not work correctly to begin with... we have some work left to do almost guaranteed. http://pastebin.com/Z572FdS5
[18:24] <Peppyuk> Dr_Willis: sorry.. wired to a switch, I've tried different cables and different ports too but no difference.
[18:25] <alexThunder> i won't be disappointed, since it can't get that much worse :D
[18:27] <tesserakt> how do I start a process with a custom process name?
[18:27] <L3top> after replacing your current /etc/X11/xorg.conf with that you will need to reboot aladilas
[18:27] <L3top> doh... seems he did.. sorry aladilas. misfire
[18:28] <alexThunder> oh, stop/start x isn't enough?
[18:28] <Payl> Dr_Willis, i don't want to be rude but can you help me? :P
[18:28] <Payl> or any1 other, can't get over it myself
[18:29] <L3top> alexThunder: I would just reboot. esp as stopping x last time crashed you.
[18:29] <alexThunder> this time it didn't
[18:29] <alexThunder> and at least compositing is back
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  step 1 would be to figure out what video chipset you got - via the 'lspci' command
[18:29] <L3top> alexThunder: the radeon/fglrx struggle for the frame buffer is an epic one... best to reboot when trying to give one control.
[18:29] <alexThunder> k i'll just reboot
[18:29] <beandog> I hate that struggle.
[18:29] <alexThunder> brb
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> i always turn off the framebuffers.
[18:30] <beandog> it's not a bad idea
[18:30] <Payl> Intel 82852/855GM Integrated
[18:30] <Dr_Willis> framebuffer was one of those great/hot/fancy ideas a few years back everyone was messing with.. that sort of never panned out.
[18:30] <beandog> I like it for custom boot
[18:30] <beandog> and if you're working on console, nice to have a big fat shiny one with nice background images
[18:30] <bwat47> its the fault of proprietary drivers not supporting it properly
[18:31] <bwat47> works fine with my intel video :)
[18:31] <beandog> uvesafb works great
[18:31] <beandog> ati just doesn't like playing with others
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> i find if im working on the console. the framevuffer slowed things down way way too much to justify the  features it had.
[18:31] <bwat47> if you just look at the architecture of how the binary blobs work its a wonder it works at all :p
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> but with wide screen monitors standard these days. :) i guess it has some uses still.
[18:32] <Payl> Dr_Willis, maybe you then know why i got blackscreen when i'm suposed to login into system?
[18:32] <alexThunder> so, what's next, L3top
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  intel drivers are normally well supported. you could try the nomodeset option.
[18:32] <Dr_Willis> !nomodeset | Payl
[18:33] <Payl> i already did nomodeset in grub
[18:33] <Payl> with vga=791
[18:33] <Payl> not changed anything
[18:33] <Dr_Willis> i  think the use of vga= is outdated.
[18:34] <L3top> alexThunder: Well... I need to know what happened when it came up... and I would like to see lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A2   again
[18:34] <Payl> it's depraced if i type it correctly
[18:34] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  you could try text mode - see what you can see with that.. see if the console at least works.
[18:34] <Dr_Willis> !text
[18:34] <Payl> Dr_Willis, i'm on console mode
[18:34] <Payl> i've started it with F8
[18:34] <genii-around> Dr_Willis: It still works, but I think preferred is now GRUB_GFXMODE= in /etc/default/grub
[18:34] <alexThunder> are you after the kernel module? its "radeon"
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  so does  'ps ax | grep lightdm' show lightdm running? or what does lubuntu use.. i forget..
[18:35] <L3top> It was... alexThunder.
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> !info lxdm
[18:35] <alexThunder> http://pastebin.com/dD71r7LN
[18:35] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  so does  'ps ax | grep lxdm' show lxdm running
[18:35] <Payl> Dr_Willis , i thinkg it's lightdm. And grep show result, so i assume it's running
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> grep shows its own command line.. :)  what was the result...
[18:36] <Payl> 1880 tty1 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto lightm
[18:36] <Payl> lightdm* (in red)
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  so. :) its showing your grep command...
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> and its lightdm
[18:36] <Dr_Willis> not tm
[18:37] <L3top> that is just grep... for the record when grepping ps I always add | grep -v grep
[18:37] <Payl> i've typed lightdm
[18:37] <Dr_Willis> grep is grepping itself. :)
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  so does  'ps ax | grep lxdm' show lxdm running    Lubuntu uses lxdm i belive
[18:38] <Dr_Willis> sudo service lightdm status
[18:39] <Payl> lxdm=lightdm?
[18:39] <Dr_Willis> sudo service lxdm  status
[18:39] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  No.. the 2 are DIFFERNT.
[18:39] <L3top> ok alexThunder... lets try just ignoring the intel alltogether... please backup that current xorg.conf so we can get back to it... and replace it with http://pastebin.com/2xYSDezV   and... sorry... reboot
[18:39] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu uses lxdm , ubuntu uses lightdm .  I think
[18:39] <Payl> yup, but i've seen tuts documenting lxdm
[18:39] <Payl> and i've installed it via apt-get, to warn you :)
[18:39] <Payl> lxdm is stop/waiting
[18:39] <Dr_Willis> but are you even using it?
[18:40] <Payl> Dr_Willis, i'm trying to get any gui to run.
[18:40] <Payl> :)
[18:40] <alexThunder> kk, brb again
[18:40] <Payl> it's newly installed lubuntu.
[18:40] <Dr_Willis> so whats the status of lightdm?
[18:40] <Dr_Willis> see if either one is running..is what we are tyring to do
[18:40] <Payl> lightdm is also stop/waiting
[18:41] <Payl> also command lightdm brings me to 'screen' (Alt+Ctrl+F7)
[18:41] <Payl> but there are just some consolelike trash.
[18:41] <Payl> i mean not a gui
[18:41] <Payl> :)
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> sounds like some  driver issues going on.
[18:42] <Payl> Dr_Willis, X -configure gives error
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> check /var/log/Xorg.#.log   perhaps next to see if any erorrs are there
[18:42] <Payl> only 'vmware' driver is found..
[18:42] <Dr_Willis> Last i looked X -confiogure was outdated also.
[18:42] <Payl> Dr_Willis, what editor should i use
[18:43] <Payl> i want windowslike editor please lol :P
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> editor? text editor? for the consoel i use vi or nano.
[18:43] <qw_> YES
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> theres some clones out of the old dos edit. but no idea what it was called
[18:43] <qw_> ITS WORK!
[18:43] <Payl> by # u mean number or just #?
[18:43] <L3top> joe is pretty friendly too.
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> Theres several log files  older ones have higher #'s
[18:44] <Payl> i'm using type, it haven't found /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:44] <Dr_Willis> !tab
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> willis@Speedbuntu:/var/log$ Xorg.0.log
[18:45] <Dr_Willis>  less /var/log/Xorg.
[18:45]  * L3top thinking alex cant get back to dt... hopes he understood WHY we were backing up that old xorg.conf
[18:45] <Dr_Willis> then hiot the tab key at the end a few times. :)
[18:45] <Payl> oh wait there is Xorg.0.log lol with dir.
[18:46] <Payl> nah type doesn't want to print it.
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> type?
[18:46] <Dr_Willis> err.. type is a DOS command i recall....
[18:46] <BigGold> yup
[18:46] <L3top> Payl: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less
[18:46] <Dr_Willis>  less /var/log/Xorg.                 <--- and tap the tab key.....
[18:46] <BigGold> L3top: blatant abuse of cat :3
[18:47] <L3top> you can scroll up and down.
[18:47] <Payl> oh ok got it
[18:47]  * L3top hangs head
[18:47]  * L3top cats greps too... its a terrible habit.
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> tail -10 /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:47] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:48] <Payl> some warnings there, last message is (II) Loader magic: 0x3fc5a0
[18:48] <Payl> warnings are bout nonexistant font paths i think
[18:48] <Dr_Willis> you may want to pastebin the whole file.  'sudo apt-get install pastebinit' then 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[18:48] <Dr_Willis> note no cat. ;P
[18:48] <Payl> oh wait, cat scrool
[18:48]  * BigGold mews. :3
[18:48] <L3top> Payl: might be a good idea to sudo apt-get install pastebinit       then you can just pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:48] <Payl> wow, so advanced
[18:49] <Payl> ok w8
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> rather trivial actially
[18:49] <L3top> that is less, not cat... as mentioned... the cat was completely unnecessary
[18:49] <Payl> how do i exit cat lol
[18:49] <BigGold> press the letter q
[18:49] <L3top> :q
[18:49] <Payl> oh lol
[18:49] <Dr_Willis> that would hbe for 'more' or 'less' not 'cat'
[18:49] <bekks> Thats not exiting cat, but exiting less.
[18:49] <Payl> btw. i'm logged as root (sudo -i)
[18:49] <Naeblis> Hi. I'm getting the following errors while installing packages: http://pastebin.com/Cr64iMqy . Any help? :)
[18:49] <hp__> stuck @ "checking battery state" ? what to do any tips
[18:50] <hp__> i reinstalled ubuntu-deksop
[18:50] <L3top> chances are you have some PPA that is causing package conflicts Naeblis.
[18:50] <Payl> installing pastebinit
[18:50] <hp__> i did reinstall gnome power manager
[18:51] <Naeblis> L3top, so, sources.list right?
[18:51] <hp__> still the same problem being stuck at battery checkt
[18:51] <Payl> should i do cat file | pastebinit?
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> you may want to pastebin the whole file.  'sudo apt-get install pastebinit' then 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[18:51] <L3top> you can just pastebinit /path/to/file
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> note no cat. ;P
[18:51] <L3top> lol
[18:51]  * L3top would cat it.
[18:51] <L3top> lol
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> hp__:  does it have an 'ok' or 'fail' at the end of that line?
[18:52] <hp__> Dr_Willis, it hase a [ok]
[18:52] <bekks> hp__: So it isnt stuck there.
[18:52] <Dr_Willis> hp__:  the i would guess that the error is somting happening after the battery state check.
[18:52] <Payl> here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090358/
[18:53] <hp__> bekks, well it doenst do anything after taht
[18:53] <Payl> almost same i get when i do startx
[18:53] <Dr_Willis> line 108 --->    [  4258.721] (EE) Failed to load module "intel" (module does not exist, 0)
[18:53] <bekks> hp__: OK indicated "everything alright". It is stuck after that.
[18:54] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  you instelled the DESKTOP edition? :) and not the server edition by mistake?
[18:54] <Payl> i don't think so lol
[18:54] <hp__> bekks, but what needs to come after that ?!
[18:54] <Payl> filename lubuntu-12.04-alternate-i386.iso
[18:55] <Payl> just made it to USB and install...
[18:55] <L3top> Payl: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[18:55] <ClientAlive> it looks like all the same modules are loaded both before and after. I did find out more information. With ethernet cable unplugged:  If I do ifconfig wlan0 up then do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  it freezes and eventually does not start the network (in this case it is doing the same thing is does when I boot up). However, if I do sudo ifconfig wlan0, then plug in the ethernet cable, then do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  i
[18:55] <ClientAlive> t fires right up and connects to the wireless. In that latter case, it connects to the wireless even though the ethernet cable is still plugged in. Then I can unplug the enthernet cable and still be connected wirelessly (unless I reboot).
[18:55] <L3top> it cant load the most basic modules for your gpu
[18:55] <Payl> L3top, it's Intel 855GM
[18:56] <L3top> Payl: lspci -nn | grep VGA | pastebinit
[18:56] <Payl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090364/
[18:56] <alexThunder> L3top?
[18:57] <Payl> btw. this pastebinit thing is quite smart lol.
[18:57] <L3top> aha... you made it back! Whats going on alexThunder. Your long break makes me think this did not go as hoped.
[18:57] <alexThunder> correct
[18:57] <alexThunder> X doesnt work
[18:58] <alexThunder> and i have now set up a terminal irc
[18:58] <alexThunder> thought that might become useful when playing around with X
[18:58] <hp__> this pc hase a onboard graphic card , could that be the problem to "checking battery state" hangup
[18:58] <L3top> This was why I said to backup the xorg.conf, so you could revert and at least get X up
[18:59] <alexThunder> yes, that's what im going to do now
[18:59] <Payl> Dr_Willis, so have you idea what it might be? :P
[18:59] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  not really. seems the intel module may be missing.  I dont evenknwow hat module inteluses to check
[18:59] <alexThunder> brb
[18:59] <Payl> i don't really think it's server instalation, it have lightdm by default
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  i would test with some other disrtos to see if any of them work. Like TinyCorelinux, and the lubuntu Desktop live cd.
[19:00] <ilian> can anyone give me some help how to install  acpi4asus-dkms to enable my asus function keys
[19:00] <L3top> Payl: PPAs are explicitly not supported by ubuntu support... that being said. give this a try http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-intel-82852855gm-drivers-in-ubuntu-using-ppa.html#more-10917
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> could be the  installer just reallymessed up
[19:00] <Dr_Willis> !info acpi4asus-dkms
[19:01] <ClientAlive> sorry, does anyone have a clue where to look for the problem?
[19:01] <Payl> Dr_Willis, do you think old HP is capable of running livecd lubuntu?
[19:01] <Payl> Dr_Willis, it can't go on with GUI installer (hangs)
[19:01] <Payl> :P
[19:01] <alexThunder> re again
[19:01] <Benxyzzy> I'm trying to set up a DHCP server on Ubuntu Server. I just installed dhcp3 and I see I have *two* folders in /etc ... 'dhcp' and 'dhcp3' . The config file dhcpd.conf appears in /etc/dhcp instead of /etc/dhcp3 as indicated here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/dhcp3-server . It looks like the server's DHCP client and server daemons are getting mixed up. Do I need to worry about this?
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  no idea. your definition of old.. may not be the same as mine.. I have a Timex Sinclare - thats OLD...
[19:02] <addos> hi, how do I manually unmount a usb drive?
[19:02] <L3top> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel | Dr_Willis
[19:02] <Payl> 1300Mhz Celeron
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  tinycore linux should run on moust things.
[19:02] <addos> everytime I try, ubuntu remounts
[19:02] <Payl> Dr_Willis, alright, but first i'll try to run those drivers
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  try a 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel'
[19:02] <Payl> ok w8
[19:02]  * Dr_Willis w8's
[19:03] <Payl> it can't find packet
[19:03] <Dr_Willis> double check spelling? use tab completion? ;)
[19:03] <Payl> k...
[19:03] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade, then try again?
[19:04] <Dr_Willis> dance a jig around the room singing  sailor shanties...
[19:04] <Payl> update is going on...
[19:04] <alexThunder> L3top: i reverted to the last working xorg.conf
[19:05] <rinzler> I'm having some major problems. I just started up my 12.04 xubuntu machine and now there is only one workspace available (had 6), and the window buttons (close minimize maximize) are gone. I've tried rebooting and the whole nine yards. also, none of the open windows are being shown in the Window Buttons panel item, and alt-tab doesn't work either.
[19:06] <xangua> rinzler: did you try to reset unity and/or compiz¿
[19:06] <BigGold> Dr_Willis: what do you do with a drunken perler, what do you do with a drunken perler, what do you do with a drunken perler, early in the mor~nin'?
[19:06] <rinzler> xangua: I am using neither. I am using xfce
[19:07] <Dr_Willis> sounds like the window manager is not loading tome.  be it compiz, or xfwm4
[19:08] <rinzler> Dr_Willis: you know of any commands to reset it?
[19:08] <L3top> for the record I expect it will already be installed Dr_Willis. The 500-850GM are special... and I do not believe they will run at all on the native intel module... which is why I gave him the ppa instructions. According to hix Xorg.0.log it tried to load the intel module, so I am sure it is available, and if it couldn't even load the freakin fbdev driver... I think he will need that ppa install. fbdev will load on practically anything.
[19:09] <Payl> L3top, we will see no worries :P
[19:09] <Dr_Willis> i dont use xfce/xubuntu. You could tryinstall ing a differnt window maanger like jwm and see if it works rinzler . OR try making a new user and see if the desktop works for them. If the new user works.. then its some setting for the old user thats the issue.
[19:09] <hp__> so i have this program INXI  and this is the outcome of my graphic card http://pastebin.com/Z0aPvXU6
[19:09] <hp__> its wrong isnt it ???
[19:09]  * L3top now wonders how he did the install to begin with
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> L3top:  text based installer he said.
[19:10] <L3top> Payl: did you do an alternate non gui install?
[19:10] <L3top> ah... that would be how
[19:10] <hp__> is that why it stuck at that point and dont get a qui ?
[19:10] <Payl> L3top, i did nongui install, yes
[19:10] <Payl> gui install was working.
[19:10] <[snake]> Hello. Is there a way to completely erase some data? perhaps just the free space(to write zeroes to the free space just like in Mac OS X's disk utility) I was fooling around in testdisk and found some files from the distant past that are rather unwanted.
[19:10] <rinzler> Dr_Willis: found the solution: running xfwm4 --replace fixed it
[19:10] <Payl> but it was slow and it keep on crashing
[19:11] <superuser> hello, im haveing some issues with the gnome panel
[19:11] <L3top> I am still thinking alexThunder. Have not forgotten you. I simply don't understand how your xorg.conf defined module is being ignored. THat shouldn't ever happen. That was my best guess... and... I am a bit stumped where to go from here... I have to clean a bit before wife gets home... so I will ponder.
[19:12] <hp__> http://pastebin.com/Z0aPvXU6   can someone explain me this , or what is wrong with it ?
[19:12] <alexThunder> kk
[19:12] <Payl> this upgrade takes forever...
[19:13] <superuser> er. error message. http://pastebin.com/2HpscqhA
[19:13] <[snake]> how to erase(write zeroes over) free space?
[19:14] <zoumzoum16> !paste
[19:15] <irpapabear> snake use bleachbit
 it looks like all the same modules are loaded both before and after. I did find out more information. With ethernet cable unplugged:  If I do ifconfig wlan0 up then do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart  it freezes and eventually does not start the network (in this case it is doing the same thing is does when I boot up). However, if I do sudo ifconfig wlan0, then plug in the ethernet cable, then do sudo /etc/init.d/network
[19:16] <ClientAlive> ing restart  i
 t fires right up and connects to the wireless. In that latter case, it connects to the wireless even though the ethernet cable is still plugged in. Then I can unplug the enthernet cable and still be connected wirelessly (unless I reboot). Does anyone have a clue where to look for the problem?
[19:16] <addos> hi, how do I manually unmount a usb drive in ubuntu 12.04. Everytime I try, it remounts
[19:16] <FloodBot1> ClientAlive: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:16] <Payl> seems liks xserver got updated too.
[19:16] <IdleOne> [snake]: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=1M
[19:16] <IdleOne> Replace "/dev/hda" with your hard drive name. http://www.ehow.com/how_5094973_write-zeros-hard-drive-linux.html
[19:16] <superuser> L3top: http://pastebin.com/2HpscqhA
[19:17] <ClientAlive> I'm sorry, I don't know how else to tell what is going on.
[19:18] <iGNUrar> hi all, how to remove a service from default boot service?
[19:18] <[snake]> IdleOne, thanks!
[19:19] <viju> Hi
[19:19] <viju> What are minimal requirements of Precise ?
[19:19] <usern4me> bind9 starts fine if i use 'service bind9 start' but it doesn't start when i reboot.  where do i change what services start at boot from CLI?
[19:20] <xangua> !requirements | viju
[19:20] <nothingspecial>  #ubuntu-beginners
[19:20] <Payl> upgrade done finally
[19:20] <usern4me> i'm familar with gentoo rc-update command.  what is ubuntu's equivolent?
[19:20] <L3top> alexThunder: apt-cache policy fglrx | grep stalled
[19:20] <[snake]> IdleOne, the page says that the command overwrites all the things. so maybe this is a good time to backup, and possibly install a later version of Ubuntu afterwards.
[19:21] <viju> thanks
[19:21] <ClientAlive> addos: on the command line - enter "dmesg | tail" and look for the device label. It will be something like /dev/sdi or something. Then, if you don't already have a place you want to mount it, create a directory somewhere (in /mnt would be fine). Then you can run mount /dev/<label of device> /mnt/<name of directory>
[19:21] <Payl> Dr_Willis, should i restart after i've done this command?
[19:21] <Payl> i mean install
[19:21] <addos> ClientAlive: it is automounted, I want to unmount it
[19:22] <addos> everytime I try, it remounts
[19:22] <IdleOne> [snake]: that command will destroy all the data on the drive. Yes, a backup is a good idea
[19:22] <L3top> usern4me: update-rc.d scriptname defaults  or update-rc.d -lf scriptname remove are common uses to add a script in /etc/init.d to runlevels or remove them.
[19:22] <ClientAlive> addos: umount does not work?
[19:22] <addos> no
[19:22] <addos> it immediately remounts
[19:22] <usern4me> L3top, thanks
[19:22] <addos> which is keeping me from formatting the media
[19:22] <ClientAlive> that's about the extent of my knowledge. sorry
[19:23] <addos> older ubuntu versions let me unmount the media
[19:23] <Payl> L3top, i've done steps advised by Dr_Willis, startx still errors with 'no screens found', should i install your drivers?
[19:23] <Payl> or restart to test or wat...
[19:23] <bekks> addos: umount never remounts. What exactly is happening?
[19:23] <hp__> how to install a driver on the command line for intel 82865g integrated graphics controller ?
[19:23] <daniel___> espanish  ,  waht  chanel ?
[19:23] <addos> umount must not be doing the mounting
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> Payl:  a reboot may be called for. but im out of ideas if that dosent help
[19:24] <Payl> ok then lets try
[19:24] <daniel___> aki pueden ayudar en español tambien ?
[19:24] <xangua> daniel___: #ubuntu-es
[19:24] <addos> I sudo unmount, and then I look at mount, and it is mounted
[19:24] <ClientAlive> addos: I wonder if there is some kind of filter somewhere that makes it look for that device label and mount it. Or what about in fstab? Is there a line in fstab that mounts it?
[19:24] <daniel___> gracias xangua
[19:24] <bekks> addos: Then it wasnt umounted.
[19:24] <addos> uh, it must have been
[19:24] <bekks> No, why?
[19:24] <addos> unity acts like I freshly remounted the drive
[19:24] <bekks> addos: Just because you want it? :)
[19:24] <L3top> strongly recommend it Payl. I think it is the only way its gonna go.
[19:24] <addos> no, unity behaves like it was remounted
[19:25] <addos> like I ejected and plugged the drive back in
[19:25] <addos> ok like it unmounts and immediately remounts
[19:25] <Payl> L3top, will try it if it fails now, i'm rebooting
[19:25] <superuser> can anyone help? http://pastebin.com/2HpscqhA
[19:25] <Payl> woah it works
[19:25] <Payl> :P
[19:26] <L3top> what worked Payl?
[19:26] <Payl> L3top, upgrading startx
[19:26] <Payl> and then installing intel drivers
[19:27] <Payl> Dr_Willis, L3top, thanks a lot, wouldn't find answer myself :)
[19:28]  * L3top wonders why they werent installed already... also sort of thinks you had the server install cd now
[19:28] <hp__> when i do "lspci" it reads the intel controller , but does it also mean it works ?
[19:28] <hp__> or is it only reading the hardware
[19:28] <AaronMT> What was that community-based device testing software from ubuntu called?
[19:29] <greenit> hi, i have a question regarding wine... where shall i ask it best? i'll get kicked when i want to join the wine-channel, it says invite only...
[19:31] <aLeSD|> greenit: register your nick
[19:31] <genii-around> greenit: Are you trying #winehq channel?
[19:31] <alexThunder> L3top: it doesn't give me any output
[19:32] <hp__> in my x11/xorg.conf its says section device. nvidia .  thats my old card i have now a onboard card , how do i deal with it
[19:32] <L3top> alexThunder: lets keep the xorg.conf you have, uninstall the catalyst driver you installed from ati, and use the repos to sudo apt-get install fglrx
[19:33] <L3top> alexThunder: first run the same command using fglrx-updates
[19:34] <greenit> genii-around, oh, thx^^
[19:34] <L3top> wait alexThunder it gives NO output? I wasn't thinking it should definitely give SOME output...
[19:34] <L3top> whether or not it is installed
[19:35] <L3top> apt-cache policy fglrx | grep stall
[19:35] <alexThunder> now it says "none", but I already purged fglrx
[19:35] <L3top> ok...
[19:35] <alexThunder> ah
[19:36] <alexThunder> it didn't output anything because its in german
[19:36] <L3top> DOH
[19:36] <alexThunder> :X
[19:36]  * L3top makes mental note
[19:36] <L3top> oh crap... that means... oh wow... I need to look at some code.
[19:36] <TiZ> Okay, I almost have a displaylink setup up and working. The displaylink monitor is a new xinerama desktop to the right of my vga displays, and my vga displays... are clones of each other. What do I do?
[19:37] <alexThunder> btw, what does fglrx-updates actually do?
[19:38] <L3top> it is a slightly updated version of the fglrx driver.
[19:39] <L3top> it may not exist atm
[19:40] <alexThunder> k
[19:41] <alexThunder> so, should i still install fglrx-updates and then fglrx ?
[19:41] <alexThunder> (from the repos)
[19:41] <L3top> either or. I do not find fglrx-updates in the repo atm
[19:42] <L3top> !info fglrx-updates
[19:42] <L3top> but on my system it returns W: Unable to locate package fglrx-updates
[19:42] <L3top> !info fglrx
[19:43] <L3top> they both show the same version
[19:43] <L3top> So my guess is that there is not an updates currently
[19:43] <alexThunder> which catalyst might that be?
[19:44] <WindozeNT> hi
[19:44] <WindozeNT> What's the Ubuntu equivilent of chkdsk?
[19:45] <alexThunder> oh k, its 12.3
[19:45] <wizack> How do I show "Playing now" with CVLC?
[19:45] <TiZ> Okay, I almost have a displaylink setup up and working. The displaylink monitor is a new xinerama desktop to the right of my vga displays, and my vga displays... are clones of each other. What do I do?
[19:45] <WindozeNT> I have a hard drive that I think is seriously damaged.
[19:45] <L3top> WindozeNT: fsck
[19:45] <DJones> !fsck | WindozeNT
[19:46] <L3top> alexThunder: 12-4 and as expected... a reboot will be wanted.
[19:46] <WindozeNT> ok
[19:46] <alexThunder> ok, brb
[19:47] <WindozeNT> Does it work on an NTFS drive?
[19:48] <nyuszika7h> Is it normal that Ubuntu 12.10 says "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS"?
[19:48] <genii-around> WindozeNT: There is no reliable fsck.ntfs ... the best that can really be done is to just mark the filesystem clean when it's really not. Really best to do an actual Windows chkdsk on it
[19:49] <alexThunder> re
[19:49] <alexThunder> lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A2 still seems the same
[19:50] <L3top> can we try another aticonfig --initial
[19:50] <ska> My F1A55-M motherboard came back from ASUS. I thought it was a problem with the board but it only gets bad when I start the FGLRX driver for Xorg.
[19:50] <L3top> see if it cannot find
[19:50] <L3top> ska: lspci -nn | grep VGA
[19:50] <alexThunder> No supported adapters detected
[19:50] <ska> At that point, I can't use the system consoled F1-F7.. I can use them but they are all jumply.
[19:50] <GeorgeJ> Yo, folks.
[19:51] <ska> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:964a]
[19:51] <GeorgeJ> I'm trying to free up some space on my netbook, I'm all out of inodes.
[19:51] <GeorgeJ> Is /usr/src needed?
[19:51] <L3top> ska: update-pciids and go again please.
[19:52] <L3top> ska: what version of ubuntu are you on btw?
[19:52] <ska> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI BeaverCreek [Radeon HD 6530D] [1002:964a]
[19:52] <ska> L3top: Thanks.
[19:53] <ska> L3top: Ubuntu 11.10 \n \l, xserver-xorg-core:2:1.10.4-1ubuntu4.2, Fglrg: 2:8.881-0ubuntu4.1
[19:53] <bjorkintosh> i have sound problems again. why won't alsa automatically use my usb card as a sink?
[19:53] <ska> L3top: Also, inside of Xorg, some lines on top are flickering/wonky..
[19:54] <|max|-> hey i run  sudo locale-gen fr_FR.UTF-8 and sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales but /etc/default/locale is empty
[19:54] <ska> When I shutdown Xorg/gdm evythinging in text mode is Aok.
[19:54] <hylian> i get this message: ati/amd proprietary fglrx driver or the same driver with (post-release updates)... which one should I pick?
[19:54] <L3top> bjorkintosh: you might have to make some changes to the asound.conf for that. Are you using pulse audio at all?
[19:54] <nyuszika7h> alexThunder, AMD dropped support for your card. Stick with the open source driver or install an older fglrx.
[19:54] <nyuszika7h> Happened to me too :(
[19:54] <alexThunder> huh?
[19:54] <alexThunder> it just came out
[19:55] <L3top> not on his version... absolutely incorrect.
[19:55] <nyuszika7h> It did?
[19:55] <nyuszika7h> Well, maybe it's *too new* card then
[19:55] <alexThunder> pitcairn is pretty new
[19:55] <Xaliave> Hello
[19:55] <ska> nyuszika7h: Was that message for me possibly?
[19:55] <L3top> the NEWEST catalyst has dropped support for the hd 2xxx-4xxx series
[19:55] <|max|-> user can help me ? :p
[19:55] <nyuszika7h> ska, what?
[19:56] <L3top> both ska and alexThunder are on HD6xxx +
[19:56] <ska> nyuszika7h: is MY FGLRX the wrong version?
[19:56] <L3top> ska NO.
[19:56] <ska> ok..
[19:56] <bjorkintosh> L3top, yes i am using pulse audio
[19:56] <bjorkintosh> and also jackd
[19:56] <alexThunder> isnt the 7970m based on the desktop 7870?
[19:56] <L3top> however it does not appear that your version is particularly happy either.
[19:56] <bjorkintosh> jackd isn't running now.
[19:57] <alexThunder> oh you said "+"
[19:57] <bjorkintosh> why do i need both alsa AND pulseaudio?
[19:57] <ska> L3top: Can I upgrade/downgrade to a happy place?
[19:57] <nyuszika7h> ska, I don't think I meant to say it to you
[19:57] <nyuszika7h> 21:50:42      alexThunder | No supported adapters detected
[19:57] <nyuszika7h> I replied to thaz
[19:57] <nyuszika7h> *that
[19:57] <trism> GeorgeJ: if you have linux-headers installed and are using modules built from dkms (such as the nvidia proprietary drivers, or similar), then yes, it is needed
[19:57] <ska> L3top: I can dist-upgrade
[19:57] <L3top> It is a hybrid graphics card in a laptop nyuszika7h. That is why it isnt found.
[19:58] <GeorgeJ> trism: It's a clean instalation. I've not installed anything extra.
[19:58] <GeorgeJ> Nor am I using extra drivers.
[19:58] <L3top> You can ska... I am not particularly familiar with your version of ubuntu. I do not know if there is a later version available... but that would be a good start... an update/dist-upgrade
[19:58] <ska> L3top: I had Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit and saw similar problems.
[19:58]  * nyuszika7h gives up
[19:58] <|max|-> hey i run  sudo locale-gen fr_FR.UTF-8 and sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales but /etc/default/locale is empty
[19:59] <GeorgeJ> trism: Is it safe to remove its contents?
[19:59] <L3top> ska:  unfortunately ati support is poo on linux. You might try upgrading to the most recent from ati by download, purging your current fglrx first.
[19:59] <Xaliave> When I go to install ubuntu, I get a menagerie of video errors, mostly flickering screens and the sort, I can use live CD's, how ever I can't click on anything after about a few seconds and I need to tab through windows. The only think I can get to work is an old livecd for 7.10, which once I try to install it, it either does the flickering thing or the clicking thing. Last night I tried installing Ubuntu with no success
[20:00] <L3top> !nomodeset | Xaliave you might give nomodeset a try.
[20:01] <bjorkintosh> L3top, i am indeed using both pulse and alsa. do i need both of them?
[20:01] <L3top> I don't know that it really applies to you Xaliave.
[20:02] <Xaliave> I tried that before with Grub, it worked up until the log in screen, at which point it was split weirdly, as if it thought my monitor ended where it didn't, and then it looped back to the other side
[20:03] <L3top> need is an interesting word bjorkintosh. I do not deal with pulse, at all. I specify everything in alsa directly... but I do not know that you would have my success doing so. I was asking purely because I know very little about pulse...  you might try installing pavucontrol
[20:03] <trism> GeorgeJ: can you pastebin: ls /usr/src; ? I am curious what is there (if it is just linux-headers and you aren't using them, you can install that package, but I wouldn't delete anything there manually)
[20:03] <trism> GeorgeJ: uninstall that is
[20:03] <GeorgeJ> trism: There's nothing else besides different versions of the linux kernel headers
[20:04] <GeorgeJ> Also, there seem to be different versions of it.
[20:04] <GeorgeJ> How would one uninstall the kernels one doesn't use?
[20:05] <Xaliave> Occasionally I'm able to get a command line, I'm not sure when it does it, seemingly when it wants to
[20:05] <Xaliave> At which point I can't run any graphical programs, I forget what error it comes up with
[20:05] <L3top> Xaliave: can you please pastebin the output of xrandr -q
[20:05] <Xaliave> I'm not on it now, it doesn't install
[20:06] <bjorkintosh> i do have pavucontrol installed.
[20:06] <bjorkintosh> it's still not straight forward. some devices insist on using alsa strictly.
[20:06] <JenniferB2> in try ubuntu from disc ... how do I open an "explorer" window as root again ?
[20:06] <bjorkintosh> JenniferB2, if it needs roots permission, it'll ask for a password.
[20:07] <wizack> How do I show streaming audio information from the terminal with VLC?
[20:07] <wizack> like artist, playing now, etc
[20:07] <trism> GeorgeJ: dpkg -l 'linux-image*'; to list them, sudo apt-get remove linux-image-VERSION; to uninstall them (replacing VERSION with the version string, which you can <tab> complete)
[20:08] <Xaliave> Are there known problems with the 6800? Fedora does a similar thing, as does Debian
[20:08] <trism> GeorgeJ: make sure you do not uninstall your current kernel, or any of the metapackages (the ones without a -VERSION at the end)
[20:08] <Xaliave> I can't find anything about it on google
[20:08] <L3top> my guess is this has more to do with your monitor than video card, and its inability to get EDID and guessing, poorly, at how to render output, or receiving the wrong EDID data, more likely
[20:08] <trism> GeorgeJ: you can do the same for the linux-headers packages if you don't need them
[20:08] <GeorgeJ> Great, awesome! Thanks trism.
[20:09] <L3top> JenniferB2: gksudo nautilis
[20:11] <delac> is it possible to have syntax highlight on SELECTED text in gedit? Has anyone seen such theme that would enable this?
[20:12] <L3top> oh alexThunder can you pastebin your xorg.conf. I want to see if it was changed by the fglrx install
[20:12] <alexThunder> just a minute
[20:12] <alexThunder> L3top: http://pastebin.com/6YJEc9ET
[20:12] <Xaliave> I had ubuntu installed for a while on a completely different computer with a different monitor, and that worked. The monitor I currently have is a Acer H203H the older one is a gateway thing, not sure what model it is
[20:13] <L3top> alexThunder: you can also look at the /etc/X11 dir... it would have backed it up as something you didnt.
[20:13] <danub> what is the command for opening a terminal?
[20:13] <Guest55399> gnome-terminal
[20:13] <JenniferB2> bjorkintosh: thats  not what I asked .. and no.. it doesnt ... L3top: thansk ;)
[20:13] <delac> gnome-terminal
[20:13] <L3top> Xaliave: without you being on the machine I cannot give support or troubleshoot I am sorry.
[20:14] <L3top> Xaliave: if you can just load any live ubuntu cd, without even installing, I could help.
[20:14] <guntbert> JenniferB2: a warning seems appropriate: running nautilus with root permissions is seldom necessary and always dangerous
[20:15] <alexThunder> L3top: i didn't create xorg.conf.failsafe, but i think it was there before
[20:15] <JenniferB2> guntbert: I need to copy files from one disk to antoher before reformatting and reinstalling
[20:15] <L3top> JenniferB2: guntbert is right... but... as you are on a live disk... I dont see too much harm... and that is why it doesnt prompt for a pass btw
[20:16] <L3top> JenniferB2: that would best be solved in terminal... using rsync or something similar.
[20:16] <JenniferB2> L3top: I was blocked because of disc permissions
[20:16] <Xaliave> Alright, I'll try and find one, It works when I unplug the graphics cards PCI and just use my onboard graphics card from my motherboard, so I'll try another mouse, see if that solves the clicking
[20:16] <guntbert> JenniferB2: ah I overlooked the "live CD" part :) but ^^
[20:16] <Xaliave> it might work
[20:16] <Xaliave> thanks
[20:18] <JenniferB2> copying is preparing ... :D i dont think you ever get a root permission request when trying to access files as a user different from the user registered for that user unless it is specified it is root... if it is another user owning them, I dont think the root password thing comes up.. that is why I believe in this case the root nautilus works and the other not
[20:18] <ska> L3top: thanks for the help.
[20:19] <hylian> I really like unity, but I can't find a menu with a list of all my installed apps on it... is there another solution besides going to gnome in classic mode to get that menu back, or something like it? I need the menu to be quickly reachable too.
[20:20] <L3top> alexThunder: can you change line 132 Device          "Card0"  to Card1  and remove lines 51-58 concerning Monitor1 and reboot again (sorry... I know rebooting sucks but... this is just one of those cases where reloading is rarely sufficient)
[20:21] <guntbert> hylian: open the dash, select the apps lense and beside "installed " click on "see ... more"
[20:21] <alexThunder> kk, brb
[20:22] <hylian> guntbert: i know of that, but that's in a big jumble. looking for the same organized menu feel that gnome classic had...?
[20:23] <guntbert> hylian: no idea then, sorry
[20:23] <L3top> JenniferB2: on live boot you are never prompted for password. There simpy isnt one.
[20:23] <hylian> guntbert: for now I have been running xfce4-panel, running what i want, and then killing the panel, but that is kinda clunky...
[20:24] <alexThunder> L3top: x doesn't work - again :/
[20:24] <L3top> I thought that might be the case. It REALLY wants to use that intel... change line 132 (well it will be something else now... like 124) back to Card0
[20:25] <baazigar> Hello, which plugin should i download if a gaming site on chrome says no plugin available to display this content? Adobe flash player?
[20:25] <hylian> anyone else know of a way to keep unity, but have the organized gnome-ish menu? (or something very similar?
[20:25] <trism> hylian: could try: https://launchpad.net/classicmenu-indicator
[20:25] <guntbert> hylian: well, remember how often an app was in a completely unexpected sub-menu, I can get by without the menues ...
[20:25] <alexThunder> mh, can nano display line numbers? ^^
[20:25] <hylian> guntbert: thanks, I think I'll try that!
[20:25] <L3top> baazigar: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[20:25] <baazigar> Is there any plugin other than adobe plugin?
[20:26] <guntbert> hylian: that was trism :)
[20:26] <baazigar> for ubuntu?
[20:26] <L3top> alexThunder: it is under Section "Screen"
[20:26] <alexThunder> ok
[20:26] <alexThunder> brb
[20:27] <L3top> oh.. well yes... but if flash wont run it, and it is a flash game... then you are pretty much SOL... though there are flash alternatives... their main benefit is that they are free open source... not MORE compatable.
[20:27] <L3top> baazigar: ^
[20:27] <baazigar> L3top, I read reviews for adobe plugin and it says it shows blue people while rendering
[20:28] <alexThunder> and returned again
[20:29] <L3top> baazigar: there is a fix for that... but... you can try gnash or lightspark... (I think it is lightspark... I always get them confused)
[20:29] <Pici> baazigar: if you disable hardware rendering in the flash preferences it will work fine.
[20:29] <baazigar> L3top, ok i wanted to make sure if adobe is the best for ubuntu or not, thanks.
[20:30] <L3top> I would not say that it is best... at all... I am saying it works with more flash content than the others baazigar. It comes with its own host of problems.
[20:30] <wrapids> Occasionally a window will decide that it isn't going to maximize to a particular monitor in my dual monitor setup. If I maximize one of these said windows it just moves to the otehr screen.
[20:30] <wrapids> In this case, chrome is doing it and restarting it doesn't help
[20:31] <slackin> Anyone here use mencoder? Here's a small collection of transcoding scripts I created if anyone is interested: http://pugbot.com/source/mencoder/30min-video/
[20:31] <L3top> wrapids: it is probably something to do with the DM "sticky edges" or something. I am not sure on this, but I believe that is probably the issue... I THINK it is a compiz thing... but I am guessing.
[20:32] <baazigar> Pici, yes i read that somewhere, hopefully i should work
[20:32] <L3top> That is sort of frowned upon in here slackin. Goodness only knows what that link might contain.
[20:32] <baazigar> L3top, so u suggest lightspark?
[20:32] <slackin> L3top, its legit site, i wrote it from scratch and the entire source to the entire website is avail on the site itself, in the very source browser I linked ;]
[20:33] <L3top> baazigar: I suggest giving it a try, and seeing the results... if that doesnt work for you, try gnash... I would install adobe only as last resort. It does not play nice with compiz in my experience.
[20:33] <Dr_Willis> theres  the 'flashreplacer' extension for firefox that lets you play flash videos in vlc or mplayer.
[20:34] <Dr_Willis> brb
[20:34] <L3top> slackin: This is an ubuntu support channel... not a "try my code" channel. Most people who download things do not understand source... and it is not allowed in this channel. I mean... I have no dog in this fight... I am just telling you that it isn't allowed. I am just some dork in a chatroom helping folks.
[20:34] <slackin> L3top, its not a download link
[20:35] <xjakub> Does anyone know how to flush the dns if nscd and networking restart don't work?
[20:35] <wrapids> L3top: Any idea how I can turn those off?
[20:35] <slackin> its a source browser, just for information purposes
[20:35] <baazigar> L3top, Ok will install lightspark first
[20:35] <lime_> Anyone have experience with text to speech in ubuntu?  Specifically I am looking for a female voice.  espeak are all highly robotic and male in /usr/share/espeak-date/voices
[20:35] <slackin> L3top, more of an educational thing than a 'download my shit' thing
[20:35] <L3top> !language | slackin
[20:35] <MonkeyDust> lime_  there's a tool called speech
[20:35] <h00k> !info speech
[20:35] <L3top> slackin: It is not allowed. That is all. I am sorry if this frustrates you.
[20:36] <L3top> try #ubuntu-offtopic slackin.
[20:36] <wrapids> L3top: Nevermind, found it
[20:36] <wrapids> L3top: Also it didnt change it :D
[20:36] <slackin> L3top, it does not frustrate me at all. It was an amsg to all my friends in linux related channels
[20:37] <bjorkintosh> what does a fresh install of ubuntu come with: alsa or pulse?
[20:37] <L3top> was just a guess wrapids. What gpu are you using?
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> hm, speech is no longer in the repos
[20:37] <wrapids> L3top: No idea, sec
[20:38] <beandog> bjorkintosh: pulse works on top of alsa
[20:38] <beandog> so, it'll always have alsa
[20:38] <L3top> bjorkintosh: alsa is the underlying sound manager... pulse is a layer on top of it... and 1204 comes with both I believe.
[20:38] <bjorkintosh> beandog, pulse is a POS i just uninstalled.
[20:38] <bjorkintosh> good riddance?
[20:38] <s3a> lime_, you asked for espeak on #debian: "The variants are +m1 +m2 +m3 +m4 +m5 +m6 +m7 for male voices and +f1 +f2 +f3 +f4 which simulate female voices by using higher pitches." http://espeak.sourceforge.net/commands.html might help
[20:38] <beandog> bjorkintosh: I hear that a lot
[20:38] <lime_> Okay how about an alternative to espeak?   What does google use on translate.google.com for text to speech output?
[20:38] <s3a> lime_, if that doesn't work, i don't know sorry
[20:39] <foobArrr> is there a way to execute a script when initiating hibernation?
[20:39] <wrapids> L3top: Nvidia g98m quadro nvs 16m
[20:39] <wrapids> 160m*
[20:39] <L3top> wrapids: then I would look around in the nvidia-config tool for an answer. I cannot be more specific, sorry. This is a function of nvidias helper ap.
[20:39] <bjorkintosh> brb
[20:40] <L3top> lime_: if you are blind, you might research jawz.
[20:40] <L3top> lime_: if you are just looking for text to speech espeak is all I am aware of
[20:41] <wrapids> L3top: It appears I can remedy the problem by making sure none of the windows edges are near the edge of the worksapce
[20:41] <system055> webcam
[20:41] <s3a> lime_, i got it working in female
[20:41] <L3top> that really sounds like sticky edges problem... but... at least you have a solution wrapids.
[20:41] <system055> audio and video error
[20:41] <s3a> lime_, espeak -v +f1 "hello"
[20:41] <wrapids> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/776435
[20:42] <s3a> lime_, it seems the higher the integer the more feminin
[20:42] <s3a> lime_, tell me if it works
[20:42] <s3a> for you
[20:42] <L3top> !details | system055
[20:43] <lime_> s3a: Yeah the +f1 options work
[20:44] <s3a> lime_, yay :)
[20:44] <s3a> try +f2 +f3 etc
[20:44] <lime_> hm... Just sounds fairly robotic
[20:45] <lime_>  it seems translate.google.com sounds more natural if you try the same text, wonder what they are using?
[20:45] <s3a> lime_, well the male voices are robotic too! lol
[20:46] <lime_> Yeah the males voices sound if more robotic to me ;)
[20:47] <Dr_willis> lime_,  now to make it into an IRC client script. ;P
[20:47] <s3a> lime_, by the way, I just tried and clicking on the speaker icon on translate.google.com doesn't make any sound whatsoever
[20:47] <alexThunder> L3top: do you think, that there actually is some way to get the 7970m working?
[20:47] <s3a> lime_, do you have to do something else too?
[20:47] <s3a> (other than type text) :D
[20:48] <lime_> yeah pushing irc to the speech tool would be cool ;)
[20:48] <lime_> s3a: What do you mean?
[20:48] <L3top> alexThunder: I dunno. I hate these hybrid cards... and none of the major manufacturers have ANY sort of support in linux... they just couldn't care less.
[20:48] <s3a> translate.google.com i put some text to translate english to english and then i clicked the speaker that has the tooltip text "listen" and it doesn't say anything
[20:49] <s3a> lime_, you can probably make a script that reads the logs and reads them using espeak
[20:49] <alexThunder> i hate them too, but it's hard to find notebooks without them these days :/
[20:49] <L3top> alexThunder: ANY solution is just going to be a hack, and come from hacking it... and the only solutions that exist will not use the proprietary driver... this is indicative of the challenge ahead of you.
[20:49] <lime_> Probably I'm going to set it up to tell me emails, contact, time info, maybe read books, wake me up in the morning, who knows ;)
[20:50] <lime_> s3a: Do you have flash installed?
[20:50] <s3a> lime_, o that's why; i have gnash
[20:50] <s3a> and lightspark
[20:50] <s3a> (open source flash)
[20:50] <s3a> i mean that could be why
[20:50] <s3a> i'll test on a windows system later
[20:50] <alexThunder> hmpf
[20:51] <L3top> I believe you are going to be stuck going to vga-switcheroo and using the radeon, hopefully with improved support as time passes.
[20:51] <JZA> hi this should be an easy answer but is prooving to be a pain, I have a virtual machine with ubuntu, and I want to strip down any non useful software.
[20:51] <lime_> s3a: he you go this should work http://translate.google.com/translate_tts?ie=UTF-8&q=How%20are%20you%20guys%20doing%3F&tl=en&total=1&idx=0&textlen=23&prev=input
[20:51] <Dr_willis> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashvideoreplacer/  Replace embedded flash videos and display them with a different plugin or standalone player,     - I rarely even install flash these days. ;)
[20:51] <JZA> I want to get rid of gnome, however when I tried sudo apt-get remove gnome-desktop it start download a bunch of KDE packages :S
[20:52] <JZA> I also rather have a very basic Xorg with maybe a windowmaker or something smaller. Any advice?
[20:52] <slackin> JZA, I love XFCE4
[20:52] <JZA> I only need x to launch a browser and help me test the php site I am doing there.
[20:52] <L3top> JZA: I was also going to recommend xfce.
[20:53] <slackin> JZA, then set your browser as your 'shell' or whatever
[20:53] <slackin> then you close the browser and X closes too
[20:53] <Dr_willis> JZA,  just use jwm  :) and perhaps a login manager.
[20:53] <JZA> slackin: right, my problem has to do with Gnome uninstalling.
[20:53] <Dr_willis> working without a window manager can be.. annoying.
[20:53] <JZA> slackin: why is it downloading a bunch of kdelibs?
[20:53] <JZA> I only put apt-get remove --purge gnome-desktop
[20:54] <Dr_willis> !info gnome-desktop
[20:54] <Dr_willis> makes me wonder what you are removeing.. ;)
[20:54] <slackin> JZA, I can't answer why ubuntu does what it does. I try not to use ubuntu
[20:54] <L3top> what version of ubuntu are you on JZA?
[20:54] <JZA> 11 something
[20:54] <JZA> I think 11.4
[20:54] <Dr_willis> !version
[20:54] <s3a> lime_, it doesn't work. it must be because i'm sticking to the open source tools but thanks. like, i said, i'll check on windows to make sure later.
[20:54] <L3top> JZA: lsb_release -sc
[20:54] <engstad> Where do I find libqt4-multimedia in precise?
[20:55] <Dr_willis> !find libqt4-multimedia
[20:55] <JZA> L3top: natty
[20:55] <brett__> how can I  create a bootable usb stick in ubuntu from a  windows iso ?
[20:56] <engstad> For some reason it was removed - no idea why...
[20:56] <brett__> its from old disk of xp
[20:56] <brett__> cd rom died
[20:56] <Dr_willis> brett__,  you may want to ask in #windows i THINK with some versions of windows you can 'dd' the image file to the flash
[20:56] <L3top> the answer, JZA is likely due to that fact that certain libraries are required in order for the OS to work, and it is clear you do not want the G, so it goes for K... this is my best guess.
[20:56] <Dr_willis> xp? No idea. it may need some extra tools.
[20:56] <JZA> right, this is what I put sudo apt-get –purge remove liborbit2
[20:56] <JZA> L3top: so what can I do to get rid of them all?
[20:56] <Dr_willis> JZA,  it may be --purge
[20:57] <JZA> is a vm...
[20:57] <engstad> The odd thing is that latest QT source includes the multimedia library...
[20:57] <L3top> JZA... I some of these things are going to be required regardless... either on the G or the K side. Removing both is going to render the OS unusable and broken.
[20:57] <JZA> Dr_willis: what did purge do?
[20:57] <brett__> thnx dr_willis one would think it is easy to do?
[20:57] <JZA> L3top: so what can I do?
[20:58] <Dr_willis> JZA,  purge removes all system configs. even ones you edited.
[20:58] <Dr_willis> brett__,  totally depends on your needs..  what are you trying to acomplish exactly?
[20:58] <L3top> JZA: let it install the K libraries. It is not the desktop.
[20:59] <engstad> Dr_willis: Is there a mailing-list/forum for qt-dev (I'd like to learn the reason for removing it).
[20:59] <brett__> just want to install legacy xp from a cd I created an image of ages ago, as my cd is broke, I have an old hd, just want an old version of windows (xp 64) installed so kids n gf can use it as they cannot fathom unity other than using a browser
[20:59] <JZA> L3top: KDE is also pretty heavy, what can I do to get rid of a desktop environment?
[20:59] <Dr_willis> engstad,  no idea. I dont do kde much any more.
[20:59] <L3top> it will not install KDE JZA.
[20:59] <engstad> Dr_willis: Ah well, I'll try to compile QT from source...
[21:00] <Dr_willis> brett__,  no idea really. Id have to say check #windows or some googling. I seem to recall some tools that might work in wine to put an xp iso on flash.
[21:00] <L3top> JZA: purge gnome-desktop and install xfce4... you will not end up on kubuntu...lol... promise.
[21:01] <brett__> ah good idea Dr_willis
[21:01] <JZA> L3top: I dont want xfce4
[21:01] <JZA> I need something lightweight like icewm
[21:01] <JZA> or windowmaker
[21:01] <beandog> icewm is pretty light weight
[21:01] <engstad> xmonad?
[21:02] <JZA> like I said I dont need a DE
[21:02] <engstad> xmonad is a tiled wm, very lightweight.
[21:02] <beandog> you could use evilwm
[21:02] <beandog> that's about as light as it gets.
[21:02] <Dr_willis> !info jwm
[21:02] <Dr_willis> !info evilwm
[21:02] <JZA> but it beat the porpouse if the OS auto-install KDE onthe background.
[21:02] <Dr_willis> Id stick with Jwm. :)
[21:02] <L3top> it is NOT INSTALLING KDE
[21:02] <beandog> 92k, freak
[21:03] <JZA> L3top: well I am seen downloading akonadi
[21:03] <engstad> Whoah, that's pretty minimal. :-)
[21:03] <JZA> right now
[21:03] <L3top> it is installing the K libraries that are being ripped out as depends of gnome-desktop
[21:03] <beandog> do aptitude -s <foo> to see what it would do
[21:05] <L3top> JZA did this start out as a kubuntu install?
[21:05] <JZA> L3top: is taking forever, hasnt really finish installing, I am just reading the packages.
[21:06] <L3top> JZA it NEEDS a database to handle applications... you have said you want nothing to do with gnome... so it is alternatively installing akonadi to handle this fundamental requirement of the operating system... is my assumption.
[21:07] <L3top> You would only end up with KDE if it was installed to begin with and you overlayed gnome... that is all that makes sense to me
[21:07] <JZA> L3top: so going back to my original goal, how can I get rid of the Desktop environment and leave X alone?
[21:08] <L3top> what you are doing. When it is done, I expect you will reboot to a terminal prompt.
[21:08] <JZA> L3top: yes but I want to free space
[21:08] <JZA> I am using this as a tomcat server, I am not really interested in having LibreOffice and KDE, feel me?
[21:08] <engstad> My not-so-technical way is to just remove all gnome and kde stuff, and then add say rxvt or xterm.
[21:09] <DrShoggoth> is there any way to get quicktime chapters in totem?
[21:09]  * L3top doesn't know what else to say.
[21:09] <L3top> You should not have EITHER of those as a result of this.
[21:09] <DrShoggoth> or, is there any video player that supports quicktime chapters?
[21:09] <beandog> why do you even want X
[21:09] <beandog> if you're just doing a headless server
[21:09] <guntbert> JZA: and why do you need a GUI at all?
[21:09] <beandog> just remove xorg-server ... that'd drop a lot. :)
[21:10] <JZA> guntbert: because I dont need the remote network, I want to be able to shoot a browser to test the site.
[21:10] <L3top> there are FUNDAMENTAL requirements for the OS. Some of those things will start with a K. That doesnt mean you are installing KDE.
[21:10] <JZA> guntbert: I know I can do it remotely but... still same applies, I dont need KDE or Gnome.
[21:10] <beandog> JZA: are you saying you want to use remote X11 connections to this box?
[21:10] <JZA> L3top: ok if you say so, but I know KDE and I see it installing kcalc :(
[21:10] <JZA> beandog: except I said not
[21:11] <beandog> JZA: well you said you want a browser ... I assume you meant running *on that box*
[21:11] <beandog> So if you don't need X ... rip it out
[21:11] <JZA> beandog: correct
[21:11] <beandog> that'll solve all your problems
[21:11] <L3top> ... well... that would be strange JZE. I ask again... did this start out as a Kubuntu install?
[21:11] <beandog> o.O
[21:11] <JZA> beandog: well a browser will demand X unless I have elinks or something like that
[21:11] <guntbert> JZA: in my opinion that setup is strange - use another machine to monitor/manage it, tomcat uses all ressources it can get :)
[21:11] <JZA> L3top: no I only put one command
[21:11] <beandog> Can't you use your browser on your local box?
[21:11] <L3top> that does not answer my question JZA.
[21:12] <L3top> when you installed this operating system... what image did you do it from JZA?
[21:12] <JZA> L3top: this is an ubuntu gnome install, I dunno where u take out kubuntu
[21:12] <L3top> I didnt take out anything. I asked a question.
[21:12] <JZA> L3top: after putting the --purge remove liborbit2 kcalc start downloading
[21:13] <beandog> JZA: So, confirm for me, yes or no: You are going to use a remote X11 connection from your local desktop, to connect to the remote server, to run a web browser on that remote server?
[21:14] <JZA> beandog: you are makign this difficult, I am doing an apppliance with X and a browser, nothing else.
[21:14] <beandog> JZA: WHERE are you running X?  locally or remotely?  That's what I'm asking
[21:14] <JZA> beandog: no remote x11
[21:14] <beandog> Okay
[21:14] <beandog> thanks
[21:14] <beandog> So if you don't need remote X11, then remove it completely
[21:14] <JZA> beandog: I am not sure where u took remote X11, I only said I know I can do that, but I rather not.
[21:15] <beandog> Or you could just leave everything on there, and just shut down the window manager
[21:15] <beandog> that'd probably be the simplest, easiest, fastest way to get what you want
[21:15] <JZA> beandog: right now I am not dealing with that, I have KDE installing for no aparent reason.
[21:15] <L3top> he wants to reclaim space... and not reinstall... is what I am gathering.
[21:15] <beandog> L3top: ah
[21:16] <beandog> JZA: remove x11, completely
[21:16] <beandog> you don't need it
[21:16] <JZA> beandog: and how will I start a browser in the VM?
[21:16] <beandog> oh.  my.  crap.
[21:16]  * beandog gives up
[21:16] <L3top> yeah.
[21:16]  * L3top is out too
[21:17] <beandog> sorry dude, I am completely lost.
[21:17] <JZA> beandog: how difficult is to understand I need apache-tomcat-x11-firefox nothign else.
[21:18] <reed> my kern.log grew over 7Gb with this message repeated every second: Either the lower file is not in a valid eCryptfs format, or the key could not be retrieved. Plaintext passthrough mode is not enabled; returning -EIO
[21:18] <reed> ideas?
[21:18] <reed> more than once a second, actually
[21:18] <beandog> JZA: I don't understand what you're trying to do, so at this point, just do what L3top said.
[21:19] <genii-around> JZA: Are you trying to make the equivelent of an internet kiosk?
[21:19] <JZA> beandog: I just said it
[21:19] <JZA> beandog: how difficult is to understand I need apache-tomcat-x11-firefox nothign else.
[21:19] <beandog> Pretty difficult when you throw in virtual box.
[21:19] <JZA> beandog: is a virtual appliance, so is running in virutalbox
[21:19] <beandog> And not saying WHICH box needs WHAT software.
[21:19] <beandog> anyway
[21:19] <beandog> whatevs.
[21:19] <JZA> beandog: we are only talking about 1
[21:20] <JZA> beandog: there is no 'which'
[21:20] <beandog> You said it's a remote server!
[21:20] <JZA> beandog: I never said that, you said that
[21:20] <beandog> which means, you have a desktop to access said remote server
[21:20] <beandog> oh my crap
[21:20] <beandog> okay I'm done.
[21:20] <JZA> beandog: forget about a remote server
[21:20] <beandog> JZA: aptitude -y remove xorg; aptitude -y install firefox
[21:20] <beandog> done
[21:21] <guntbert> JZA: in VMs: use one for tomcat and another one for managing it
[21:21] <beandog> actually that wouldn't do it, xorg isn't enough
[21:21] <Katelyn> okay, so uh
[21:21] <beandog> bah
[21:21] <L3top> beandog: why don't you just do a fresh install of ubuntu server and add on whatever minimal X requirements you have from there?
[21:21] <Katelyn> my usb 3.0 slot doesn't want to work at all
[21:21] <L3top> er JZA sorry.
[21:21] <beandog> L3top: yes!
[21:21] <beandog> good idea
[21:21] <beandog> :D
[21:21] <Katelyn> using ubuntu 12.04 x64
[21:21] <JZA> L3top: the VM is already set up
[21:22] <guntbert> JZA: and please mind your attitude towards people who try to help you
[21:22] <JZA> L3top: I am not re-cofnigure all the custom crap in it
[21:22] <kevinlu310> Anybody know how to have ubuntu 12.04 synchronize time correctly?
[21:22] <beandog> there's gotta be some package you can rip out that'd take all the X11 packages with it.
[21:22] <guntbert> kevinlu310: use ntp
[21:22] <JZA> L3top: only thing I need is to get rid of the useless fat of this vm, hence Gnome and LibreOfficee and all the rest of the gnome apps
[21:23] <beandog> Okay
[21:23] <beandog> So, starting over
[21:23] <beandog> *why* do you need to remove it
[21:23] <beandog> Hard drive space?  or RAM
[21:23] <JZA> beandog: the VM is too big
[21:23] <beandog> ^^ answer the question :B
[21:23] <JZA> I did
[21:23] <beandog> don't rephrase the question and then answer *that*
[21:24] <Katelyn> my usb 3.0 slot doesn't want to work at all
[21:24] <kevinlu310> guntbert: I tried ntp. But I still have wrong time on screen
[21:24] <Katelyn> using ubuntu 12.04 x64
[21:24] <Katelyn> (sorry for repeating myself)
[21:24] <beandog> JZA: please, just give one-word answers: do you want to free up HDD or RAM?
[21:24] <JZA> disk
[21:24] <beandog> Okay
[21:24] <beandog> JZA: do you want firefox on this vm?
[21:24] <ironhoof> Seems like your using a desktop edition as a server, I think that would be best suited to a server edition, or a tiny distro of sorts. Without a desktop environment.
[21:24] <JZA> yes
[21:25] <beandog> JZA: okay, if firefox is installed, it's *going* to suck in X11 dependencies, and probably a lot ... I know it needs *some* GNOME Libraries (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
[21:25] <beandog> JZA: so either way, you're going to have some stuff on there
[21:25] <guntbert> kevinlu310: what does ntpq -p say?
[21:25] <beandog> JZA: but that's neither here nor there ... try doing something like removing gnome-desktop package
[21:26] <beandog> JZA: don't worry about what it installs in it's place for now
[21:26] <newman2> hi i want to make an online radio server. i have the internet dj console but i cant use it .can you help me?
[21:26] <beandog> JZA: if you want to see *what that will do*, then run 'sudo aptitude -ys remove gnome-desktop'
[21:26] <JZA> beandog: so far it hasnt stop since I launcht that option
[21:26] <JZA> command
[21:26] <beandog> JZA: in fact, if you could pastebin the output of that (use nopaste) that'd be really helpful
[21:26] <genii-around> L3top: Should just make an ubuntu-minimal vm, tasksel to install lamp and tomcat, then apt-get -o APT::Install-Recommends=0 xorg firefox, maybe twm too. Then firefox & in xsession
[21:26] <beandog> JZA: that's okay, you can kill it with Ctl C
[21:27] <auronandace> genii-around: +1
[21:30] <marcko> ciao
[21:30] <kevinlu310> guntbert: Things like this:   some IPs   .INIT.             16    u      -      64    0     0.000     0.000     0.000
[21:30] <beandog> JZA: how's it going man,  you doing okay?
[21:30] <JZA> still uninstalling
[21:31] <beandog> kk
[21:31] <kevinlu310> guntbert: looks all delays, offsets and jitters are zero
[21:32] <guntbert> kevinlu310: not good, please !pastebin your /etc/ntp.conf
[21:32] <taime1> what command will tell me what video driver X is using?
[21:32] <m477> is it ok to use same /home for two other distros?
[21:33] <ironhoof> I am helping a friend get linux on his machine he's first time user, and he couldnt get his USB mic to work, I had him go into his log , and we got this error: [  106.890252] 5:3:3: cannot set freq 16000 to ep 0x86 ,would anyone have any idea on it, its a QuickCam Orbit it seems a UVC 1.0 device
[21:33] <kevinlu310> guntbert: I did everything by following steps showing here http://rbgeek.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/time-synchronization-on-ubuntu-12-04lts-using-ntp/
[21:33] <genii-around> m477: I would recommend no, I've tried this before.
[21:33] <Dr_willis> taime1,    you using nvidia? ati? what? theres the X logs in /var/log/  that will show
[21:33] <m477> genii-around: and what happend?
[21:34] <taime1> Dr_willis: nvidia
[21:34] <taime1> but i just want to know which one is in use at the mment
[21:34] <lboken> just a little question . if livecd version of ubuntu work usualy it should work fine once installed isn't
[21:34] <Dr_willis> taime1,  id run the nvidia-settings tool and see if it says what one its using.
[21:34] <genii-around> m477: The cache files get all screwed up
[21:34] <kenperkins> so what command does upstart stop send
[21:34] <kenperkins> it doesn't appear to be a sigterm
[21:34] <Dr_willis> lboken,  you want to rephrase that question.. since.. well its not a question.. or very clear.
[21:34] <beandog> kenperkins: I was wondering the same thing earlier today.  no idea.
[21:35] <kevinlu310> guntbert: I pasted it pastebin.com/jkQ80jWz
[21:35] <kenperkins> because it doesn't appear to be sigterm. when I kill my pid, I see my expected sigterm output in my logs
[21:35] <kenperkins> but nothing from upstart stop
[21:35] <kenperkins> beandog: oh yeA?
[21:35] <beandog> I wish more daemons had shutdown arguments
[21:35] <beandog> but whatever.
[21:35] <beandog> I also wish I had a unicorn.
[21:36] <Dr_willis> !upstart
[21:36] <lime_> Anyone have any experience with festival?
[21:36] <Dr_willis> I thought part of the upstart standard was the service was supposed to have start/stop/restart
[21:36] <beandog> fwiw, that upstart page is really confusing
[21:36] <genii-around> Dr_willis: The problem seems to be most post-install scripts are still trying update-rc.d
[21:36] <beandog> Dr_willis: it does, but it still sends a signal to the processes
[21:36] <Dr_willis> Its geared more towards developers :) I dont understand half of it..
[21:36] <beandog> Dr_willis: I'm talking more about something like ... mysqld_safe --quit
[21:37] <lboken> Dr_willis:  i mean that when if i can run ubuntu live cd  doesnt that mean that it should work fine if i install it  on my hdd , cause i tried 2 time to install it today on my machine and in live cd its working but when i install it  i dont get the grub display and when it  on linux its alot slower and freeze all the time   what could be the trouble?
[21:37] <lime_> I'm trying to install alternative voices but keep running into issues with the installation tutorial when following this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=751169
[21:37] <Dr_willis> the rc.x stuff is actually a series of upstart scripts also from what i dug into. :)
[21:37] <guntbert> kevinlu310: that tutorial looks ok, you can see the failure in the column "reach" - all 0, please !pastebin your /etc/ntp.conf
[21:37] <lime_> well actually everything installs fine the voices just don't work after the installation
[21:37] <kenperkins> beandog: looks like it's SIGQUIT
[21:37] <Dr_willis> lboken,  if grub works but you cant see it. You need to set a proper res, or use the old skool text menu option in /etc/default/grub.
[21:38] <beandog> kenperkins: where'd you find it?
[21:38] <Dr_willis> lboken,  step #1 after installing would be to double check that all updates are installed.
[21:39] <m477> genii-around: do you mean files with configurations etc which start folders start with dot?
[21:40] <lboken> its hard to double check if the updates are installed it frose completly ( i try to run a software (example quassel irc  and it wont launch  i tryed even to run the disk partition software to check my swap(cause 2nd time i used the option use full disk completely  and its still does the same
[21:40] <kevinlu310> guntbert: http://pastebin.com/gdJzL4iT
[21:41] <aetoxx> How do I disable the bluetooth daemon?
[21:42] <aetoxx> I cannot uninstall it because some software depends on it.
[21:42] <aetoxx> /etc/default/bluetooth used to exist, but it doesn't anymore.
[21:42] <guntbert> kevinlu310: looks correct, please type sudo service ntp stop ,   then    sudo ntpdate, what does it say?
[21:42] <genii-around> m477: I mean for instance files like cache-hostname socket-hostname tmp-hostname in /home/user/.kde  ( specifically the problemmatic ones for me )
[21:44] <kenperkins> beandog: trial and error
[21:44] <kenperkins> wikipedia to be honest
[21:44] <kenperkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGTERM
[21:44] <beandog> lol
[21:44] <beandog> nice
[21:46] <ervein> wow
[21:46] <ervein> this is good
[21:46] <kevinlu310> guntbert: it says 13 Jul 13:44:36 ntpdate[2316]: no servers can be used, exiting. The time is wrong.
[21:47] <guntbert> kevinlu310:  try ping 0.us.pool.ntp.org (break with ctrl+c)
[21:49] <kevinlu310> guntbert: looks connection is OK. 14 transmitted. 0% packet loss
[21:50] <guntbert> kevinlu310: do you have a firewall enabled?
[21:51] <aetoxx> Hello?
[21:51] <kevinlu310> guntbert: I'm not sure. I will try to figure it at home out tonight. I got to leave now. Thanks a lot for your help, anyway.
[21:58] <c001> If I'm downloading Ubuntu version 10.x, which is more recommended?  10.4 or 10.10?
[21:58] <c001> Is Ubuntu 8.04 no longer supported?
[21:58] <MonkeyDust> c001  idd
[21:58] <genii-around> c001: Recommend 10.04 since later you can go 10.04-12.04 directly
[21:59] <MonkeyDust> c001  and 10.10 is no longer supported
[21:59] <bekks> c001: It is still supported.
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> c001:  10.10 is EOL, so if you're using the 10.x series, use 10.04
[21:59] <TheLordOfTime> or use 12.04
[21:59] <bekks> And you can upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04 to 12.04
[22:01] <MonkeyDust> or fresh install 12.04 and create a separate /home partition
[22:01] <TheLordOfTime> that too
[22:02] <urlwolf> using kubuntu, networkmanager fails to connect to my howe network.
[22:02] <urlwolf> looking at /var/sys/log...
[22:03] <urlwolf> using WPA personal. The password is correct
[22:03] <urlwolf> is there a known bug?
[22:03] <Dr_willis> urlwolf,  check the bug reports yet?  ive heard of issues with some wirless cards/drivers and some auth methods.
[22:04] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  are you using knetworkmanager, or network-manager-kde?
[22:04] <urlwolf> where are the bug reports?
[22:04] <Dr_willis> !bugs
[22:04] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  if you're using network-manager-kde, it should work, last i checked
[22:05] <urlwolf> I'm using whatever comes with kde by default
[22:05] <urlwolf> just installed network-manager-kde
[22:08] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  see if that fixes it
[22:08] <urlwolf> about network-manager-kde, muon says "his is a dummy transitional package for plasma-widget-networkmanagement. You may safely remove it."
[22:08] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  and this is why i dont like muon.  true, it is a transitional package, but it *might* fix the issue
[22:09] <Dr_willis> KDE is moving towards Sub-atomic partical names now? ;P
[22:09] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  there was another issue like the one you mentioned reported on Ask Ubuntu.  They tested network-manager-kde (which was the plasma widget), and it appeared to work
[22:09]  * Dr_willis thinks he rembers his  physics..
[22:10] <quesada> no, it doesn't fix it
[22:11] <quesada> running kernel 3.4.4-030404-generic in case that matters
[22:11] <quesada> wireless works at the office, but not at home with WPA personal
[22:12] <Dr_willis> what sort of authencation does the office use? WPA personal also?
[22:12] <urlwolf> nope, WPA enterprise
[22:13] <urlwolf> the support guys told me there was a long-standing bug in WPA personal
[22:14] <urlwolf> the solution was to use WPA enterprise, but I cannot use WPA enterprise at home
[22:14] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  there's a bug in WPA enterprise i think... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanagement/+bug/863536
[22:14] <Dr_willis> you got a low end home router that cant do  it?
[22:14] <TheLordOfTime> that's one of about ten i see
[22:14] <ickefes> hi guys
[22:15] <urlwolf> Dr_willis: alice router WLAN 1421
[22:15] <xgionx> sa
[22:15] <Dr_willis> that name means nothing to me. :)
[22:16] <ickefes> i have a sound problem that started recently. when anything loads or happens on the screen, I can hear crackling noise. even if sound is muted. do you know why this happens? it does not do so in windows and puppy linux
[22:16] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  apparently this isnt a *new* issue, i'm trying to see if such a bug you're saying has been reported.
[22:16] <urlwolf> it worked before
[22:17] <urlwolf> might be the unconventional kernel (ubuntu 12.04 is 3.3.0 I think)
[22:17] <dyingprism> ipconfig
[22:17] <ickefes> the problem goes away if i remove the external power cord and only use the battery
[22:17] <Dr_willis> urlwolf,  might be worth testing in a 12.10 live cd(beta) to see if it works there.
[22:17] <bastidrazor> 12.04 is 3.2.0-26 at the moment
[22:18] <urlwolf> or I could upgrade the kernel to 3.5
[22:18] <Dr_willis> Im not really sure how it could be kernel related.
[22:18] <ickefes> anyone?
[22:18] <casper_> slm
[22:18] <urlwolf> me neither
[22:19] <urlwolf> I have a sabayon partition
[22:19] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  is the ssid of the network hidden?
[22:19] <urlwolf> no, I can see the ssid
[22:19] <beandog> ickefes: yah, I've had that happen ... it also happens when the hdd goes fast
[22:20] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  i meant is it hidden to the public, but...
[22:20] <beandog> ickefes: I just got a PCI sound card and used that instead of the onboard one. :T
[22:20] <ickefes> beandog: how come it only happens in Ubuntu and not in Windows and Puppy Linux?
[22:20] <urlwolf> I have no idea, probably not, it's whatever came as default
[22:20] <ickefes> If I remember correctly, it did not happen in Ubuntu a week ago.
[22:20] <beandog> ickefes: if I had to *guess*, I'd say different kernel and drivers
[22:22] <urlwolf> I can live without wireless
[22:22] <urlwolf> but these things only happen on linux
[22:22] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  you may want to file a bug about it, you know
[22:22] <beandog> I'd check forums first
[22:23] <urlwolf> "I have no <insert basic infrastructure that works without thinking on other OS>; oh well, I'll just work without it" :)
[22:24] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  "I have no common sense"?  (JUST KIDDING)
[22:24] <Jordan_U> !ot
[22:25] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  it does sound like a bug in the program, but i've checked upstream and LP, i cant find anything truly specific matching your issue
[22:26] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  does this bug look similar to what you're running into for enterprise?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/networkmanagement/+bug/863536
[22:26] <TheLordOfTime> urlwolf:  i'd recommend filing a bug for wpa personal though
[22:26] <TheLordOfTime> and if they're using WPA and not WPA2, they're doing it wrong.
[22:28] <hanning> hey, i am looking for up-to-date information on getting hw accelerated flash working on ati-chipsets, any help would be great. :)
[22:28] <urlwolf> I've reported ~150 bugs on sabayon
[22:28] <urlwolf> not many on ubuntu
[22:28] <urlwolf> but the ubuntu ones never get resolved
[22:28] <Dr_willis> hanning,  best advice i have for 'flash' is use  one of those flashreplacer extensions in firefox. so you dont need flash at all on most video sites.
[22:29] <urlwolf> so I don't think I'll spend my time doing it anymore
[22:31] <tworkin1> what package allows me to build modules on precise? This Makefile expects a /lib/modules/`uname ...`/build
[22:32] <Dr_willis> Hmm.
[22:32] <Dr_willis> !modules
[22:33] <tworkin1> what? I'm writing a module. I need to be able to #include <linux/mm.h> etc
[22:34] <tworkin1> ubottu? ...
[22:34] <tworkin1> oh, u bot. k
[22:34] <Nuclear-muffin27> If i use nano to do a script where is the file stored?
[22:34] <TheLordOfTime> Nuclear-muffin27:  by default, the current working directory
[22:34] <Dr_willis> Nuclear-muffin27,  whever you saved the file to...
[22:34] <Nuclear-muffin27> ok
[22:34] <Dr_willis> you may want to keep your own scripts in /home/USERNAME/bin
[22:35] <trism> tworkin1: install the linux-headers package for your kernel
[22:35] <merp_> Hi all!
[22:36] <merp_> I was wondering if there was a VFX program like Adobe AfterEffects (a very widely used one) for ubuntu.
[22:36] <tworkin1> trism:  thanks
[22:36] <merp_> I can't seem to manage to install jahshaka
[22:36] <Nuclear-muffin27> thank you
[22:36] <merp_> And OpenShot is not enough.
[22:36] <merp_> Any ideas?
[22:37] <merp_> No? ^.^'
[22:37] <hanning> Dr_willis: thanks :)
[22:37] <genii-around> merp_: avidemux or cinelerra
[22:38] <merp_> I can't figure out how to install cinelerra and avidemux is too simple.
[22:38] <merp_> Any help on cinelerra, though?
[22:39] <genii-around> merp_: https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa
[22:40] <merp_> Hm. Well. Never seen that before =P.
[22:41] <merp_> installed ppa, now what?
[22:42] <dagroves> I need to get my wireless working on Xubuntu 12.04 and I have no idea how to do it. I need the correct driver but I have no internet access on my linux hdd... what should I do or download to get it to work?
[22:45] <bwat47> dagroves: depends on what your wireless card is
[22:45] <dagroves> I have a TP-LINK TL-WN727N Wireless Adapeter and TP-LINK does not have a linux driver on their website
[22:46] <bazhang> dagroves, it's usb? check lsusb in terminal and put to paste.ubuntu.com
[22:47] <bwat47> dagroves: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11577750&postcount=2
[22:47] <genii-around> dagroves: The useful thing is to have it's vendor:device string, which if it is USB to get from lsub command.. if pci to get from lspci -nn command
[22:47] <narcos> OK I give up - how do I get java to work in Firefox on 64bit Ubuntu 10.04?
[22:47] <dagroves> okay you will have to hang on then I am booted into my WIndows HDD at the moment. Let me boot into the Xubuntu HDD and do that and I will post it back
[22:48] <dagroves> I shall be right back
[22:50] <jQr> Hi. I'm about to turn on smartd on system startup (That's smart-notifier, no?) but the following is worrying me and I'm not sure what it means: "Don't use enable_smart for any disk monitored by smartd, this is likely to cause problems..."
[22:54] <donvito> can anyone tell me how to switch off system problems report?
[22:54] <dagroves> Okay here is what lsusb says about my wireless adapter http://paste.ubuntu.com/1090692/
[22:54] <bwat47> donvito: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/how-to-get-rid-of-internal-system-error.html
[22:56] <bwat47> dagroves: you try this yet? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11577750&postcount=2
[22:57] <dagroves> bwat47: trying that now
[22:58] <silverarrow> does anyone know about gnash or lightspark?
[22:58] <Logan_> !anyone | silverarrow
[22:59] <silverarrow> gnash packages are default, but lightspark is sort of on your own, I need and alternative for flash
[22:59] <bekks> Because...?
[22:59] <silverarrow> I cannot use adobe
[23:00] <OerHeks> silverarrow, for your PPC iBook ?
[23:00] <silverarrow> it seems to be either gnash or lightspark, yes
[23:00] <silverarrow> yes, my ibook heks
[23:01] <silverarrow> thought I have problem finding anyone using either gnash or lightspark
[23:02] <silverarrow> OerHeks: do you have any idea=
[23:02] <OerHeks> silverarrow, nope, did you check the mactel pages?
[23:02] <silverarrow> no, only the ppc ubuntu FAC
[23:02] <silverarrow> FAQ
[23:02] <silverarrow> sorry
[23:03] <silverarrow> so very little knowledge about gnash
[23:04] <Zyewni> I have at least two questions, maybe more. Question 1: How do I get Photoshop running in Ubuntu 12.04?
[23:04] <silverarrow> wine?
[23:04] <OerHeks> Zyewni, check wine & winHQ database
[23:04] <OerHeks> !wine
[23:04] <maca> Zyewni, Why do not use gimp? it is very good
[23:05] <genii-around> Zyewni: Photoshop does not run natively on Linux, etc
[23:05] <Zyewni> I've tried Wine. First, I tried migrating my Windows install based on a tutorial I found online - wine says invalid parameters. Then I tried installing it through PlayOnLinux - wine still says invalid parameters.
[23:05] <maca> Gimp is a great program for manipulate pictures...
[23:05] <maca> Try to install gimp
[23:05] <Zyewni> @maca: GIMP just doesn't do it for me
[23:06] <maca> Why?
[23:06] <dagroves> bwat47: I did both of those commands and it worked great but let me restart my computer and I'll see if it works, Then I will get back to you my good sire.
[23:07] <Zyewni> @maca: without going too much into it, I've been using Photoshop since I was a young'un. That's the software I know. I know where the tools I want are, and I know what the keyboard shortcuts are. So I'd prefer to use that.
[23:07] <OerHeks> Zyewni, check wineHQ and maybe winetricks, a bunch of scripts for dotnet and stuff
[23:07] <Dr_willis> wine -options /path/to/whatever.exe  :)  time to learn the parameters i guess
[23:07] <maca> Why do you want use Photoshop and not gimp? Is there something tool missed on gimp?
[23:07] <maca> ok
[23:07] <maca> a read it
[23:08] <maca> In Linux you must learn  a lot of things, if not, come back to Windows if you dont want learn new things
[23:08] <Zyewni> @maca: I came here for help, not to be put down for my choice in software
[23:08] <maca> Ok...
[23:09] <maca> but it isn't easy to run Photoshop on wine... as like AutoCAD...
[23:09] <maca> so...
[23:10] <maca> I think that you followed some manuals, really?
[23:10] <maca> What version of Photoshop you have?
[23:11] <Zyewni> @OerHeks, I'll check that out, thanks
[23:11] <Zyewni> @Dr_willis: I'll do that
[23:11] <Zyewni> @maca: I don't understand your question about the manuals, and I have CS5 on my Windows 7 system
[23:12] <maca> manuls for follow to a correct configuration to run on wine... sorry by my poor english, i'm spain...
[23:12] <iceroot> Zyewni: i would suggest to use "playonlinux" which is able to install photoshop on ubuntu 12.04
[23:13] <maca> wait, a will see ...
[23:13] <iceroot> Zyewni: playonlinux is a tool which is configuring the correct wine version automaticly
[23:13] <Zyewni> @iceroot, I just got done with my third attempt to install it with playonlinux
[23:13] <Zyewni> Still says 'Invalid Parameters'
[23:14] <Zyewni> @maca: yes, I was following a tutorial
[23:14] <maca> look that link: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20158
[23:14] <iceroot> Zyewni: then i dont know, i am not using photoshop and never tried to install it, juust saw an entry on playonlinux
[23:14] <Zyewni> @maca: that would be the first tutorial I followed, when I tried to migrate my Windows 7 installation
[23:14] <maca> ok
[23:14] <Zyewni> Thank you for the link all the same though
[23:15] <iceroot> Zyewni: but its always good to use free software instead, gimp is running on every system and its not taking down your freedom, so maybe give gimp a try
[23:15] <dagroves> okay as for it working, when I rebooted my pc I had to do those commands again to get my wireless working again... i need a permanent fix! lol or should the updates help?
[23:15] <maca> iceroot, he don't want use gimp
[23:15] <Zyewni> @iceroot: I have given GIMP a try. It's a good program, but my preference is Photoshop
[23:15] <Zyewni> Force of habit
[23:15] <genii-around> There is also of course gimpshop which makes it more familiar for Photoshop users to use
[23:16] <Zyewni> Now that might be interesting
[23:17] <iceroot> Zyewni: one of the goals of ubuntu is to spreed free software (as in free speech) so i respect that you are more familiar with photoshop but of course we will always suggest free software instead :)
[23:17] <Zyewni> So I will check out the things recommended by OerHeks and Dr_willis, and if I can't get that running, I'll try out Gimpsho
[23:17] <Zyewni> *Gimpshop
[23:17] <maca> I lost your problem... please, can you post again the full problem that appear to you when you try to run?
[23:17] <dagroves> bwat47: anymore suggestions?
[23:18] <Zyewni> @maca: Are you talking to me?
[23:18] <maca> yes
[23:19] <Zyewni> one second...
[23:19] <Trick140> quit
[23:20] <dagroves> bwat47: It did work, but it "resets" everytime I reboot, I have to enter that command again and again...
[23:20] <Trick140> QUIT
[23:20] <bwat47> dagroves: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11577750#post11577750
[23:21] <bwat47> dagroves: sorry wrong link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11578880&postcount=5
[23:22] <dagroves> bwat47: haha thats okay, ill check it out
[23:22] <Zyewni> @maca:
[23:22] <Zyewni> Wine program crash
[23:22] <Zyewni> Internal errors -invalid parameters received
[23:23] <dagroves> bwat47: so in that file I remove every thing listed in the blacklist.conf file?
[23:23] <dagroves> bwat47: scared I will screw something up lol
[23:24] <maca> Only that, Zyewni?
[23:25] <Zyewni> @maca: I just got something new. I went to the directory and just right-clicked it and 'run with wine' or whatever the text is
[23:25] <Robtygart> How can I tell if my 3d graphics are working, I just installed nouveau
[23:25] <Zyewni> Now it says: Wine could not find a Gecko package which is needed for applications embedding HTML to work correctly. Wine can automatically download and install it for you. Note: it is recommended to use your distribution's packages instead.
[23:26] <Zyewni> I'm going to try continuing with the install, see where it goes
[23:26] <maca> ok
[23:26] <bwat47> dagroves: dont do anything to the blacklist, he was referring to the stuff he tried in the OP
[23:26] <maca> follow these
[23:26] <bwat47> you didnt do that so you dont need to remove them
[23:27] <Zyewni> @maca, whereabouts in Spain are you?
[23:27] <dagroves> bwat47: okay then so I need to add the rt2800usb to modules? how would I do that? I have no idea what I am doing here? lol
[23:27] <Zyewni> Argh, still
[23:27] <Zyewni> Wine program crash
[23:27] <Zyewni> Internal errors - invalid parameters received
[23:27] <maca> yes
[23:27] <maca> I'm from Madrid...
[23:28] <Zyewni> Cool
[23:28] <Zyewni> I'm just over in France
[23:28] <Zyewni> Up by Belgium
[23:28] <maca> sorry, I don't know what happening...
[23:28] <maca> great place to live...
[23:28] <Zyewni> Not bad
[23:29] <maca> I don't have Photoshop nor Windows 7... so
[23:29] <maca> I cant
[23:29] <maca> ok
[23:29] <bwat47> dagroves: echo rt5370rt2800usb >> /etc/modules
[23:29] <bwat47> sorry typo
[23:29] <bwat47> echo rt2800usb >> /etc/modules
[23:30] <maca> Zyewni, try to post your problem on http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20158, may be someone can help you to resolve...
[23:30] <maca> ok?
[23:30] <dagroves> bwat47: now it is telling me "bash: /etc/modules: Permission Denied
[23:31] <dagroves> I even did sudo...
[23:31] <Zyewni> @maca, I may do that, thanks
[23:31] <maca> Fantastic
[23:31] <bwat47> use sudo
[23:31] <genii-around> echo whatever | sudo tee -a /someplace-regular-user/can't/write
[23:31] <genii-around> dagroves: ^
[23:31] <bwat47> ^
[23:32] <Zyewni> So, another question. If the latest version of GIMP is 2.8, why am I stuck with 2.6? I've uninstalled it and reinstalled it from the software center, but I still get 2.6
[23:32] <Zyewni> (One of my problems with Gimp is the separate windows - GIMP 2.8 has a one-window mode, so I want to try that)
[23:33] <dagroves> bwat47: okay I did what genii-around said and I am assuming it workd. only way to find out is to restart correct? or am I missing a step?
[23:33] <maca> try to download and install via console, from the original gimp web
[23:33] <genii-around> Zyewni: 2.8 will be available after 12.10 release, but not currently with 12.04 .. eventually there may be a backport
[23:34] <bwat47> yea what that did was load the correct module on boot so restarting will test if it worked
[23:34] <Zyewni> @genii-around: that's very strange
[23:34] <dagroves> bwat47: okay I shall restart and see if it worked!
[23:35] <Zyewni> Ok, so on to my next question, which has nothing to do with Photoshop or GIMP
[23:35] <beandog> heh
[23:35] <maca> Whats are you traying to say, Zyewni?
[23:36] <Zyewni> @maca: I have another question, not related to Photoshop
[23:36] <maca> ja, but I don't understand very well
[23:37] <maca> What is the really question?
[23:37] <Zyewni> This shouldn't be taken as an attack on Ubuntu. It's an honest question (and I do like Ubuntu better).  I installed Ubuntu because I kept hearing how great it was - more stable, more secure, more customizable, etc. But that hasn't really been my experience with it this last month. It crashes quite a bit - Windows didn't. It doesn't play nice with my hardware - Windows did.
[23:37] <Zyewni> So my question is, what sort of material advantages does Ubuntu have over Windows 7? What benefits am I unknowingly enjoying from using it?
[23:38] <beandog> could be a lot of reasons stuff is crashing.  Usually poor hardware
[23:38] <genii-around> Zyewni: You're here getting interactive support for instance
[23:38] <beandog> next time something goes wrong, just come here in and troubleshoot it
[23:39] <odsel> I accidentally changed my /etc/sysctl.conf, is there anyway i can get it back to maintainer's version?
[23:39] <beandog> :)
[23:39] <Zyewni> @beandog, I'm not too worried about the crashes
[23:39] <Zyewni> They haven't really put me off of Ubuntu
[23:39] <Zyewni> But yes, I will
[23:39] <Zyewni> @genii: that's true, but I'm sure that Windows has IRC channels too.
[23:39] <beandog> one of the biggest reasons for using linux is freedom and flexibility it gives you ... no licensing issues, no costs
[23:39] <maca> Zyewni, you promote open source software, and I think, is better than one close source software
[23:40] <maca> I hope you understand me
[23:40] <beandog> you have lots and lots and lots of choices when it comes to software
[23:40] <genii-around> odsel: If you have /usr/share/doc/procps/examples/sysctl.conf then you can use that
[23:40] <Zyewni> @beandog, ok, that makes sense
[23:40] <beandog> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/why-use-ubuntu
[23:40] <beandog> that might be a bit generic
[23:41] <beandog> Zyewni: really though, you'll just find that you are more *productive* overall, because of stability and things not getting in your way
[23:41] <odsel> genii-around: thanks!
[23:41] <genii-around> odsel: You're welcome
[23:41] <Zyewni> @beandog, stability was never an issue for me in Windows - not that it is in Ubuntu either
[23:41] <dagroves> bwat47: It worked! It did not work when I rebooted but after I unpluged my USB Adapeter and reinserted it, I was connected. That is good enough for me
[23:41] <dagroves> Thank you for your help!
[23:42] <Zyewni> But Windows 7 has never crashed on me (unless I caused it by tinkering)
[23:42] <beandog> Zyewni: well the question is kind of abstract by its nature ... the best answer is it depends on what you're using it for
[23:42] <Zyewni> That's true
[23:42] <Zyewni> So on the why use Ubuntu page, it says: "No viruses
[23:42] <Zyewni> Life's too short to spend it worrying about viruses."
[23:42] <beandog> Say, for example, you work with multimedia
[23:42] <Zyewni> Is that true?
[23:42] <maca> And you will feel gratifying involucration in... Zyewni... and more...
[23:42] <beandog> Zyewni: yah
[23:42] <Zyewni> Surely there's some way for Ubuntu to contract a contagion?
[23:42] <beandog> For multimedia (encoding, playback, etc) there are lots of good tools
[23:43] <beandog> Zyewni: your most likely attack vector is going to be malicious scripts running on webpages
[23:43] <bwat47> Zyewni: any os can fall victim to malware, but ubuntu isn't really targeted by malware authors and its generally more secure than windows
[23:43] <genii-around> Zyewni: They can spread windows viruses by accident but not contract them
[23:43] <beandog> but even then, they can't install software that would run on windows
[23:43] <Zyewni> But as far as things getting installed on my computer without my knowledge, or files going missing? Not gonna happen?
[23:43] <merp_> I recently removed my password, and now when i try to authenticate i cant?!
[23:43] <beandog> Zyewni: correct
[23:43] <genii-around> Zyewni: The odds are very much against it
[23:43] <maca> Isn't true that Linux systemes have not viruses.... No SO are unviolable from attacks viruses and malware
[23:44] <beandog> maca is right
[23:44] <beandog> nothing is completely secure
[23:44] <beandog> but you are more secure
[23:44] <maca> Mac Apple, has some viruses and malware... so...
[23:44] <genii-around> There ARE linux/unix viruses but so rare and mostly programming experiments
[23:44] <bwat47> with the way people blindly use ppa's i'm sure infecting suckers with malware would be easy on ubuntu lol
[23:44] <merp_> Help?
[23:44] <maca> it depends on how you use
[23:44] <Zyewni> Ok, that alone is a reason to stick with Ubuntu, because I get into some places I probably shouldn't, and I'm sure there's all sorts of malware to be found there
[23:44] <genii-around> "proof of concept" type stuff
[23:44] <merp_> Umm. please?
[23:45] <beandog> merp_: dunno ... look for a rescue guide?
[23:45] <genii-around> merp_: How did you remove your passowrd?
[23:45] <beandog> merp_: are you still logged into the box?
[23:46] <merp_> login options says password: none
[23:46] <Zyewni> So if I downgraded to Natty, could I get GIMP 2.8?
[23:46] <Jordan_U> Zyewni: No. I don't know why you would even expect that.
[23:46] <Zyewni> Someone said 2.8 didn't work with 12.04
[23:46] <bwat47> i have gimp 2.8 on precise
[23:47] <Zyewni> But there is a 2.8, so I assumed it had to work with some version of Ubuntu
[23:47] <Zyewni> If not the latest, then older versions
[23:47] <genii-around> Zyewni: When the next Ubuntu ( 12.10 ) is released, it will have gimp 2.8
[23:47] <Zyewni> @bwat47, how'd you get 2.8?
[23:47] <merp_> Panic.....
[23:48] <OerHeks> i wouldn't recommend the gimp 2.8 ppa, unstable and not supported here.
[23:48] <bwat47> there's a ppa for it , google gimp  2.8 ppa (use at your own risk obviously, ppa's not officially supported)
[23:48] <maca> Well, guys... I should go out...
[23:48] <Zyewni> @genii-around: but 12.10 is scheduled for 2014
[23:48] <maca> By
[23:48] <merp_> Help meeeeeeee
[23:48] <Dr_willis> merp_,  clarify the issue..
[23:48] <genii-around> Zyewni: No. the 12 means 2012 the 10 means tenth month eg: October
[23:48] <Jordan_U> merp_: Please stop.
[23:49] <merp_> I removed my password and now i cant authenticate anything
[23:49] <genii-around> Zyewni: So this year, in a few months. not in 2014 :-)
[23:49] <Dr_willis> 2014 would be 14.04 or 14.10
[23:49] <Jordan_U> merp_: Stick to comments directly related to your ussue and if anyone can help you, they will.
[23:49] <Dr_willis> merp_,  removed how.
[23:49] <Zyewni> Oh, ok. I was looking at the 'Supported Until' column
[23:49] <Zyewni> Sorry, I'm an idiot sometimes
[23:50] <husker> Hello guys (:
[23:50] <merp_> I went in to user accounts, clicked my user, clicked the box next to password and there was a option box saying i could remove my password
[23:50] <husker> Does have ubuntuusers a german IRC channel ?
[23:50] <merp_> So i did
[23:50] <Dr_willis> !de
[23:50] <ajf> how can I get newer versions of PHP?
[23:50] <ajf> like PHP 5.4.x? not 5.3.x?
[23:50] <Dr_willis> ajf,  normal way would be to use a PPA, or source.
[23:50] <ajf> without building from source, preferably
[23:51] <husker> thank you!
[23:51] <ajf> ok
[23:51] <ajf> thanks
[23:51] <uberBodom> test
[23:51] <genii-around> merp_: You can boot to recovery kernel, choose root, do: mount -o remount,rw /   then: passwd your-username-here   then: reboot
[23:51] <beandog> ajf: building from source is fun!  Plus, it's actually easy to do, since php tells you the options it was configured with.
[23:51] <beandog> ajf: but you probably don't wanna go that route.  I'm guessing a PPA is gonna be your answer.
[23:51] <ajf> it's fun except when you get errors
[23:51] <merp_> okay...
[23:52] <Zyewni> Random question: how long would it take to rewrite about 350GBs with junk data?
[23:52] <beandog> genii-around: I'm not sure he's locked out
[23:52] <beandog> genii-around: I think he just tweaked his xdm settings
[23:52] <genii-around> Hm
[23:52] <ajf> beandog: OK.
[23:52] <beandog> merp_: are you logged into your box right now?
[23:52] <beandog> ajf: sorry man, that's not fun either, but that's pretty much your only options
[23:54] <husker> Hello (. Could someone tells me , what does chan.c is? It is a file or a path or somethng like that?
[23:54] <Jordan_U> husker: What is the context?
[23:54] <genii-around> Looks like the name of a C file
[23:55] <metasansana> how can I get the current temperature from the terminal?
[23:55] <persona24> I have a little noobish question. Pidgin is not working for me and I want to kill it. I've never successfully done the kill command though, how could I end this program? It's frozen
[23:55] <beandog> persona24: pkill -9 pidgin
[23:55] <beandog> from console
[23:56] <persona24> beandog: thank you, it worked! (of course)
[23:56] <beandog> yahp
[23:57] <husker> Jordan: I want patch something. And i should copy a file into the same path like this chan.c. I searched this with the command "locate". but i didn't found anything.
[23:57] <Jordan_U> metasansana: The temperature of what?
[23:57] <metasansana> Jordan_U: sorry the cpu
[23:57] <beandog> I was too lazy to ask that question
[23:58] <Jordan_U> metasansana: "sensors".
[23:58] <beandog> or acpi
[23:58] <genii-around> metasansana: This is if you have lm-sensors installed and coretemp module loaded
[23:58] <metasansana> thanks, I just installed it :)
[23:59] <Jordan_U> !tab | husker
[23:59] <Jordan_U> husker: What directions are you following?
[23:59] <usr13__> husker: You might need to use find (rather than locate).
[23:59] <akr> hi guys