[00:31] <MakMam> Hi
[00:31] <MakMam> Just installed Kubuntu 12.10 today, love it so far
[02:31] <hellslinger> hi guys, are there any rekonq users in here who use lightspark and know of a set of directions for making that work
[02:59] <Daskreech> hellslinger: what's lightspark?
[03:00] <hellslinger> replacement for flash
[03:00] <hellslinger> flash 11.2 crashes rekonq and firefox sometimes
[03:07] <Daskreech> hmm not heard of it
[03:10] <Daskreech> hellslinger: did you install the PPA Or some other means?
[03:13] <hellslinger> I'm not really sure what I'm doing... I installed the browser plugin via apt, but I don't see it as an  option in the application/MIME configuration dropdowns for shockwave flash
[03:13] <hellslinger> that is in firefox
[03:15] <Daskreech> ah
[03:15] <L3top> !info lightspark | Daskreech
[03:15] <Daskreech> http://www.unixmen.com/lightspark-a-good-alternative-to-adobe-flash-player-ppa-ubuntu-fedora-rpm/
[03:15] <Daskreech> Would that help?
[03:15] <Daskreech> ah it's packaged
[03:16] <Daskreech> Hooray Universe
[03:16] <L3top> :)
[03:17] <hellslinger> L3top, ubottu, how do I tell firefox or rekonq to use lightspark?
[03:18] <L3top> hellslinger: You don't. It simply exists in its place... probably through simlink. Chances are if you are using KDE that the problem exists between your GPU/driver/flash
[03:20] <L3top> hellslinger: please give me the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
[03:20]  * Daskreech hugs L3top and heas off to munch on cake and cream
[03:20] <hellslinger> is it ok to paste here?
[03:20] <L3top> it should only be a line or two... yes
[03:20] <genii-around> Less than 4 lines, otherwise pastbin
[03:20] <hellslinger> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GF114 [GeForce GTX 560] [10de:1201] (rev a1)
[03:20] <L3top> if it is two... then
[03:20] <L3top> ok
[03:21] <L3top> hellslinger: are you on 1204?
[03:21] <hellslinger> yeah, some people get really irritated
[03:21] <hellslinger> yep
[03:21] <hellslinger> nvidia-current is instalkled
[03:21] <L3top> apt-cache policy nvidia-current | grep stall
[03:21] <L3top> er... ok.
[03:21] <L3top> do it anyway
[03:21] <L3top> lol
[03:21]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[03:21] <hellslinger> Installed: 295.40-0ubuntu1
[03:22]  * L3top drinks more coffee
[03:23] <hellslinger> so L3top, I've installed browser-plugin-lightspark, yet when I'm on youtube and right click the player, it still says Adobe Flash player etc.
[03:23] <L3top> that is likely because you did not remove/purge flash
[03:23] <hellslinger> I was afraid you would say that :)
[03:23] <hellslinger> oh well no big deal
[03:24] <L3top> apt-get remove --purge flashplugin-installer
[03:24] <hellslinger> I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here, but boy do I hate flash...
[03:24] <L3top> sudo
[03:24] <L3top> indeed
[03:24] <L3top> sudo apt-get install --reinstall lightspark
[03:26] <hellslinger> are you guys in the USA? drinking coffee at this hour?
[03:27] <genii-around> I'm in Toronto actually
[03:27] <rafael> Hello!
[03:28] <rafael> Hi!!!
[03:28] <hellslinger> howdy
[03:29] <genii-around> Hi rafael ... do you have some question about your Kubuntu?
[03:29]  * L3top is in the US... is just insane.
[03:30] <hellslinger> so I even dpkg-reconfigure'd the lightspark plugin package to see if that would make it work after purging flash.. no such luck. Next stop: lightspark ppa
[03:30] <L3top> hellslinger: I do not believe the ppa will fix your issue
[03:30] <L3top> I would purge the lightspark, then reinstall... then hit youtube.
[03:31] <L3top> if it is telling you that it is flash...
[03:31] <L3top> it may be indentifying itself as such
[03:31] <hellslinger> I should have been more clear, so it purged flash correctly, no trace of it after restarting firefox
[03:31] <hellslinger> but no sign of lightspark
[03:32] <L3top> apt-cache policy lightspark
[03:32] <L3top> er
[03:32] <L3top> apt-cache policy lightspark | grep installed
[03:32] <L3top> crud.. .that wont work
[03:32] <hellslinger> Installed: 0.5.5-0ubuntu1
[03:32] <L3top> apt-cache policy lightspark | grep -i installed
[03:32] <L3top> ok ty
[03:33] <L3top> hellslinger: just for grins... lets sudo apt-get install gnash
[03:33] <hellslinger> browser-plugin-lightspark should be what I'm looking for riught?
[03:33] <L3top> I am not really sure hellslinger. I barely use desktop, and I dont tube.
[03:33] <L3top> Just trying to help.
[03:34] <hellslinger> the help is much appreciated, thanks
[03:34] <hellslinger> barely use desktop?
[03:34] <L3top> I live in a different x environment
[03:35] <genii-around> L3top: E17? ;-)
[03:35] <L3top> I have access to kde but rarely see it
[03:35] <L3top> linuxmce
[03:35] <hellslinger> i3?
[03:35] <hellslinger> haha
[03:36] <hellslinger> do you not go to youtube out of principle or never have a reason to?
[03:38] <L3top> I guess... I just don't care in general... and if it is of any relevance... we use adobe due to hulu anyway... so I have access to it... without conflict.
[03:39] <hellslinger> ahh, just curious
[03:39] <L3top> Our environment does not harbor anything which causes problems with hulu, unlike most DEs... unity/compiz especially.
[03:40] <L3top> s/hulu/flash/
[03:42] <hellslinger> no compositing?
[03:42] <L3top> Heaps of it.
[03:43] <hellslinger> I said composite, not compost     j/k
[03:43] <L3top> This is a bit off topic for kubuntu support though.
[03:46] <L3top> compositing is not an issue which interferes with flash on its lonesome... it is the implementation. Yes, I have alpha overlays on top of hulu without issue. But please... continue to denegrade the project I develop for while I try and troubleshoot your issue... :P
[03:47] <hellslinger> sorry if I offended you, what project do you develop for?
[03:48] <L3top> I wasn't offended... I was being lighthearted. LinuxMCE.
[03:48] <L3top> I misunderstood your compost joke.
[03:48] <L3top> if you have to ask
[03:48] <L3top> lol
[03:48] <hellslinger> haha oh you said heaps when I asked about compositing, which I didn't understand so I cracked wise
[03:49]  * L3top took it to mean my favorite project was poo.
[03:49] <hellslinger> maybe it was just a programming joke...
[03:49] <hellslinger> so linuxMCE does compositing differently
[03:50] <L3top> I would say we do it as directly as possible... and DEs have a lot more to deal with than we do. We are not a desktop. We are a home automation appliance with a media center.
[03:51] <L3top> again though... this is off topic.
[03:51] <L3top> I am not here to promote... was just explaining why I don't deal with these issues.
[03:52] <L3top> I troubleshoot here and in #ubuntu to learn and better our project... but I don't try to recruit.
[03:52] <hellslinger> is anyone really going to get upset that you're telling me about your dev project because I asked? if so I'll shut up
[03:52] <hellslinger> I'm genuinely interested though
[03:53] <L3top> !ot | L3top
[03:53] <L3top> lol
[03:53] <L3top> !linuxmce
[03:53] <hellslinger> !ot
[03:53] <hellslinger> well that answers that question
[04:01] <Daskreech> I just pull youtube directly to the computer
[04:02] <Daskreech> \o/ linuxMCE :)
[04:02] <Daskreech> And bed time
[05:02] <after_rain> kubuntu 12.04 is much better now
[10:43] <olavgg> I ahve a problem with my kubuntu installation. Everytime I restart the system it resets my dnsserver to localhost. How can I fix this? What other file besides /etc/resolv.conf do I have to fix?
[11:21] <klotzbein> hi
[11:33] <Tm_T> olavgg: that's how current network management works, it uses local cache
[11:34] <Tm_T> olavgg: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:39] <lucac> lo squal
[15:04] <oneadvent_phone> Can someone let me know when gimp will be updated?
[15:05] <ikonia> oneadvent_phone: it won't
[15:06] <oneadvent_phone> Ever? I'm just looking for single window mode
[15:08] <oneadvent_phone> There is a python hack but I figure eventually it'll be there. Why never update?
[15:09] <ikonia> because packages don't get version bumps until a future ubuntu release.
[15:11] <oneadvent_phone> ...well that is what I'm asking, will a gimp bump happen next round? Kubuntu doesn't have to follow exactly Ubuntu anymore either
[15:11] <ikonia> oneadvent_phone: yes it does
[15:12] <ikonia> oneadvent_phone: it's built off the same base
[15:12] <ikonia> same repos
[15:12] <oneadvent_phone> I think I'm in 2.6 and 2.8 us with single window mode
[15:12] <oneadvent_phone> Is not us
[15:12] <oneadvent_phone> And I see...
[15:13] <oneadvent_phone> Is there a milestone log that would show it for 12.10?
[15:15] <ikonia> I don't think it's targeted for 12.10 (I don't know for certain though)
[15:16] <oneadvent_phone> Yea ok, I might just do their repo...I hear it is a bit unstable though
[15:16] <oneadvent_phone> Thanks ikonia
[15:16] <ikonia> I wouldn't do that
[15:16] <ikonia> the dependencies will conflict with your base components
[15:16] <ikonia> but that's up to you to decide
[15:17] <oneadvent_phone> Hmmm...figured their repo would would include dependencies
[15:17] <OerHeks> ikonia, oneadvent_phone , see this packagelist, 2.8 will be in QQ 12.04 >> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/gimp/2.8.0-2ubuntu1
[15:18] <oneadvent_phone> What is QQ?
[15:18] <OerHeks> Quantal Quetzal 12.04
[15:18] <OerHeks> ehhh 12.10*
[15:19] <oneadvent_phone> Oh ok that makes sense
[15:19] <ikonia> thank you OerHeks
[15:19] <oneadvent_phone> Lol I was trying to figure what you meant :P
[15:19] <oneadvent_phone> so I'll just wait then. Nothing pressing
[15:19] <oneadvent_phone> Thanks
[15:19] <OerHeks> yw
[15:20] <ikonia> I wouldn't be %100 sure that will make it in
[15:21] <oneadvent_phone> Well if not there will be a good reason maybe
[15:21] <OerHeks> True, still a lot of issues to solve.
[16:42] <djbadboy> hey @ all
[16:43] <djbadboy> i need anyone to help me .... but my english is not the best
[16:44] <mydogsnameisrudy>  djbadboy what is your problem
[16:46] <szal> djbadboy: there's #kubuntu-de too
[16:46] <djbadboy> hey szal, thx u )
[16:47] <djbadboy> i hope anyone is there xD
[16:56] <djbadboy> hmmm in #kubuntu-de are all afk
[16:57] <djbadboy> my problem is my headset .... i have my headset at my front-audio-place
[16:58] <djbadboy> my micro works
[16:58] <djbadboy> but i cant hear ony think
[16:58] <djbadboy> *any
[17:07] <Joit> djbadboy:  probatly your front plug is crap?
[17:07] <Joit> i got that once, that the connectors there did not work all
[17:08] <djbadboy> okay and what can i do for that problem ?
[17:08] <Joit> open your case frm your computer and fix it for yourself :P
[17:08] <Joit> when you connect your headset at the backside it works?
[17:09] <djbadboy> at backside from computer works sound
[17:09] <djbadboy> only at front will the speakers dont work
[17:09] <Joit> did you plug it into the green box?
[17:11] <djbadboy> yes  have the green plug at the green box
[17:11] <Joit> i know that you can turn it seperate on or off, windows had such a button
[17:11] <djbadboy> the green front box works at win7
[17:12] <Joit> probatly you should look at sytemsettings then, if you can turn it on  or align it to speaker out
[17:14] <djbadboy> ich habe meine systemeinstellungen überprüft aber hinten am pc wird mir im system als kopfhörer nur ausgegeben, wenn ich standert mäßig einschalte dann kommt nix weder headset noch über die boxen
[17:14] <djbadboy> sry wrong text
[17:14] <djbadboy> I've checked my system settings but the back of the pc is spent in my system than just headphones, when I turn on standardized hundred standard is then nothing over the headset is not boxing
[17:19] <BarkingFish> Evening all. Can someone please remind me how to file a bug against something which hasn't physically crashed, but which needs checking for a problem please?  I know there's a tool to do it with, but I can't recall how to use it.
[17:20] <Joit> probatly you can find more at systemsettings -multimedia- phonon
[17:20] <BarkingFish> I've discovered a bug in Plasma or one of its components - when you have the Delete option enabled in the right click menu, and you select it to take out a file, a little box pops up asking you to confirm.
[17:20] <Joit> i can find there more at 'einrichtung der audio Hardware'
[17:21] <BarkingFish> Underneath it is a checkbox which states "Do not ask again" - you check it, and go through with the procedure - but every time you delete something else, even in the same dolphin session, it still asks you to confirm, regardless of whether you've told it not to.
[17:22] <BarkingFish> it even does it outside of dolphin, if you delete stuff off of your desktop
[17:22] <Joit> feel free to fill a bug at bugs.kde.org :)
[17:23] <Joit> http://bugs.kde.org
[17:23] <szal> s/fill/file/
[17:23] <BarkingFish> Yes, that's what I want to do. But I want to collect the system information and bug data first :)
[17:23] <BarkingFish> I know I can do it with apport, but I can't remember how to do it for a specific program
[17:24] <Joit> i think you can describe it with the delete method, only copy some files over what you can delete
[17:25] <Joit> or simple write the never ask again checkbox dont work
[17:26] <BarkingFish> Joit - I don't know how long you've been on KDE or Kubuntu, so I won't be patronising - but it's always best to collect as much data as possible to attach to a bug report, it helps the developers to figure out what the heck is wrong :)
[17:26] <Joit> but i still have 2 bugs open there, and dont see a lot going on with it
[17:26] <BarkingFish> <  11 years on linux, 10 of those on KDE :)
[17:27] <Joit> BarkingFish:  sure, but when you cant replicate it, or only have a vage clue, you have to use what you can remeber. btw how long does the bug exist? Allready since 10 years? :P
[17:28] <Joit> vague even
[17:28] <Joit> i can remeber having a similar issue
[17:28] <Joit> but not sure if that was at debian once
[17:28] <BarkingFish> i can replicate it - every single time, and the bug has existed (as far as I can tell) only on 4.8.2 thru 4.8.4
[17:32] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: What data are you going to collect?
[17:33] <BarkingFish> Version, system information, and any data I can manage concerning whichever program it is which is being silly :)
[17:33] <BarkingFish> you used to be able to grab stuff with ubuntu-bug, but this isn't an ubuntu bug, it's a kde issue
[17:34] <BarkingFish> if the program or command had physically crashed, i'd have included whatever kcrash generated - Backtrace, etc
[17:34] <BarkingFish> but it hasn't - all that's happening is that KDE is ignoring or not storing a specific custom setting
[17:34] <Daskreech> Well when you file a bug manually it will ask you all of that
[17:35] <djbadboy> Joit: cant find that problem .....
[17:35] <BarkingFish> ok Daskreech - i don't usually file manually, i normally submit the automatic reports from kcrash/drkonqui
[17:36] <BarkingFish> so this is going to be fun. I don't even know where on the bugtracker to file it - there are so many categories, i can't even figure where to start. Is it a menu issue, a UI issue, a plasma issue, or what? :P
[17:37] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: well to file a bug via drkonqui you need an account right?
[17:37] <Daskreech>  So login with your account
[17:37] <BarkingFish> yep, have done.
[17:37] <Daskreech> ok
[17:38] <BarkingFish> I click "File a bug" and get a whopping great list from which I have to pick one to file it under...
[17:38] <Daskreech> RIght :)
[17:39] <Daskreech> Where are you seeing the bug?
[17:40] <BarkingFish> in KDE's "right click" menu - I have the Delete command enabled. You click and it asks you to confirm deletion - and under it is a checkbox you can mark which says "Do not ask again" - the problem is, even with that set - it asks you every single time, even in the same session, regardless of where you use it (dolphin, direct from the desktop, etc)
[17:42] <Daskreech> Ok so it's either dolphin or kdelibs you want to fiel against
[17:42] <Daskreech> file
[17:42] <BarkingFish> i'd go with kdelibs then, it's happening even outside dolphin
[17:42] <Daskreech> You can choose one or jump into either #dolphin or #kde-devel to query further before filing the bug
[17:43] <Daskreech> If you think it's  kdelibs lets go to #kde-devel shall we?
[17:43] <BarkingFish> yeah, that would be good.
[17:43] <BarkingFish> I'll /part #kde and head there
[17:45] <Daskreech> As an aside if you are really confused about where it should go #kde-bugs is a good channel to hang out in. #kde-quality might work as well
[17:45] <qbit> I do not see this behavior here, e.g. when I delete it just deletes - no question asked
[17:46] <Roey> hello
[17:46] <Daskreech> qbit: after checking do not ask again?
[17:46] <Daskreech> hi Roey
[17:46] <Roey> why do I see apt-get wanting to install i386 packages like libusb-0.1-4:i386 on my 64-bit arch?
[17:46] <Roey> hey Daskreech!
[17:46] <qbit> in general tab of dolphin settings  I have all 3 "Ask for confirmation" empty
[17:47] <qbit> Daskreech: I never get the box or the question in the first place because I already had it turned off as described
[17:47] <Daskreech> Roey: You are installing a 386 package I would assume
[17:48] <BarkingFish> qbit, which version of KDE?
[17:48] <qbit> BarkingFish:  KDE 4.7.4
[17:48] <BarkingFish> yeah - I'm on 4.8.4
[17:48] <qbit> opps - I meant 4.8.4 - can't seem to quite hit the '7' key
[17:48] <Daskreech> :-)
[17:48] <BarkingFish> I've been seeing this since ±4.8.2
[17:49] <BarkingFish> Do you mind a screenshot of what I get?
[17:49] <Roey> Daskreech:  yeah but I don't know why
[17:50] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: Alright. can You check to see if the relevant confirmation buttons are unchecked after you make that selection ?
[17:50] <Roey> Daskreech:  I was just doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade..
[17:50] <qbit> stil it shouldn't ignore the 'don't ask again' checkbox - it should be recording that as a preference, and probably in the same xxxxrc file that the Dolphin General settings is stored
[17:51] <BarkingFish> Just filing a quick screenshot of what I get :) With you in a sec
[17:51] <Daskreech> qbit: Yes but if it's not unchecking it is a different problem than if it is unchecking it and it's still not working
[17:52] <Daskreech> BarkingFish: :)
[17:52] <qbit> Daskreech: true enough
[17:53] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[17:54] <Daskreech> phoenix_firebrd: Everyone isn't here right now would you like to leave a message?
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: :)
[17:54] <phoenix_firebrd> Daskreech: hi
[17:55]  * Daskreech wavs
[17:55] <BarkingFish> one box, complete with my (rather nice) desktop :)  http://imgur.com/kCOET
[17:56] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: one box?
[17:56] <BarkingFish> that comes up every time, inside or outside dolphin, whenever I delete from the right click menu (note - if I select the file and hit delete on my keyboard, it doesn't come up - only from the right click menu)
[17:56] <BarkingFish> phoenix_firebrd, yes - the one in the middle of the screen :)
[17:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: the delete dialog?
[17:57] <BarkingFish> yeah
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: you can disable that warning
[17:58] <BarkingFish> phoenix_firebrd, long story cut short, kde is ignoring my request from the checkbox to "not ask again" when I delet something.
[17:58] <BarkingFish> i know. i'm supposed to be able to - that's the bug. I can't.
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: then something must be wrong with the config file
[17:58] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: wait
[17:59] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: goto the .kde folder in your home directory
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: and then into share and then into config
[18:00] <BarkingFish> yup, i'm there
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: search for this file "dolphinrc"
[18:00] <BarkingFish> got it
[18:00] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: open it with kate
[18:00] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:00] <BarkingFish> done
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: search for this line "ConfirmDelete="
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: what does that say?
[18:01] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: does it say true or false
[18:01] <BarkingFish> ConfirmDelete=false
[18:02] <BarkingFish> the one below it - ConfirmTrash - is also set to false
[18:02] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: rename this file to something like dolphinrc.bak and restart dolphin
[18:02] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:02] <BarkingFish> give me one moment
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: now try to delete something and now check the "do not ask again" option this time
[18:03] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: and try the deleting something again and see if it works
[18:03] <BarkingFish> Nope. It didn't.
[18:04] <BarkingFish> I deleted a photo, and ticked the Do not ask again, deleted it - went to delete another photo, and it promptly asked me again
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> close dolphin and run this command from terminal "kbuildsycoca4 --incremental"
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: ^
[18:05] <BarkingFish> as normal user?
[18:05] <qbit> in my dolphinrc those entries don't exist, the only one that does is ConfirmClosingMultipleTabs=false
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: ya
[18:05] <BarkingFish> no sudo or anything?
[18:05] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: ya no sudo
[18:05] <qbit> I bet the setting is stored somewhere else
[18:06] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: after that check with dolphin
[18:06] <BarkingFish> running, and done.
[18:06] <BarkingFish> still didn't work
[18:06] <BarkingFish> next? :)
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: check
[18:07] <BarkingFish> i just did
[18:07] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: not working?
[18:07] <BarkingFish> Deleted a photo, marked do not ask, deleted it - lather, rinse, repeat, etc. You know the drill :)
[18:08] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: is this a live session?
[18:08] <BarkingFish> qbit, they should be under a part marked [Notification settings]
[18:08] <BarkingFish> phoenix_firebrd, no, it's running from a fully installed setup
[18:09] <qbit> BarkingFish: no 'Notification settings' at all anywhere present in my dolphinrc
[18:09] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[18:11] <qbit> BarkingFish: my guess is these are leftovers from really old KDE earlier versions that have been updated over time with cruft left in
[18:12] <BarkingFish> Sorry, qbit - it should be [Notification Messages] - apologies :)
[18:12] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: have you tried purging and reinstalling dolphin?
[18:12] <BarkingFish> i'll pastebin up the current config, as it's set now, see if you can spot any cockups in it.
[18:12] <BarkingFish> And yes, phoenix_firebrd - twice
[18:13] <qbit> BarkingFish: doesn't matter - a search in kate with just 'Notification' returns nothing - not found
[18:14] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: is your home directory is at a separate partition ?
[18:14] <BarkingFish> phoenix_firebrd, yes
[18:14] <BarkingFish> Boot & Root on /dev/sda1, swap on /dev/sda5 and /home on /dev/sda6
[18:15] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: sda6 is ext4?
[18:16] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: what is your kde version
[18:16] <BarkingFish> i have no idea what it is. Hold on a mo and I'll find out
[18:16] <BarkingFish> phoenix_firebrd, 4.8.4
[18:16] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: "sudo fdisk -l" will five you the details
[18:17] <BarkingFish> and dolphinrc for you - http://pastebin.com/KzxDQ8E8
[18:17] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: for me?
[18:18] <BarkingFish> yep - that's after the backup of the file, and the restart, and the marking the checkboxes, and so on
[18:18] <BarkingFish> that's the regenerated version
[18:19] <BarkingFish> and according to sudo fdisk -l ,  sda6 is  "Extended"
[18:19] <BarkingFish> i'll check it with the partition manager
[18:20] <qbit> these confirmations are now stored in file kiorc -> ConfirmDelete=false and ConfirmTrash=false under a section titlesd: [Confirmations]
[18:20] <BarkingFish> apparently, it is ext4
[18:21] <BarkingFish> Well that's gonna be fun then. I don't have a file named kiorc in the config area, unless it's somewhere else :)
[18:22] <qbit> BarkingFish: lol - og grok
[18:22] <BarkingFish> oopsie - yes I do. It is right down the bottom of the window :P
[18:23] <BarkingFish> size is 35 bytes, and it's absolutely and totally empty
[18:23] <BarkingFish> i just opened it in kate, and it's blank.
[18:23] <BarkingFish> brb
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> qbit: i think thats the pROBLEM FOR BarkingFish
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> qbit: IT SHOULDN'T BE EMPTY
[18:25] <phoenix_firebrd> oops
[18:25] <qbit> what I'm thinking is I have these entries because I turned off these things when I originally configured Dolphin, and the check box that is supposed to remember these entries is putting them in the wrong place
[18:26] <phoenix_firebrd> qbit: but he should be having the same entries
[18:26] <qbit> they don't belong in dolphinrc any longer but rather kiorc and checking that check box is not doing this
[18:26] <BarkingFish> tell you what - how about I try this... Copying the contents of dolphinrc into kiorc, saving it, and seeing what happens?
[18:26] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: no no
[18:27] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: delete kiorc and try the process again
[18:27] <BarkingFish> ok, i'll have another shot.
[18:27] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: this time rinse properly
[18:27] <BarkingFish> do you want me to rebuild the ksyscoca thingy too?
[18:27] <BarkingFish> or just try deleting another file?
[18:27] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: if this does not work then
[18:28] <BarkingFish> ok
[18:29] <BarkingFish> My God, Holmes. It's bally well worked :P
[18:29] <BarkingFish> I just deleted a photo, confirmed not to ask anymore, deleted another one and it didn't ask :)
[18:29] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: nice
[18:29] <BarkingFish> AND... it's regenerated kiorc with readable contents this time :)
[18:30] <phoenix_firebrd> qbit: thats a good info, ty
[18:30] <BarkingFish> [Confirmations]
[18:30] <BarkingFish> ConfirmDelete=false
[18:30] <qbit> this old cruft thingy in kde rc files is an old long standing problem
[18:30] <BarkingFish> so now.. .what do I do with dolphinrc? Is that redundant then? or can i just take out those bits which actually don't work?
[18:31] <BarkingFish> qbit, the biggest issue is that KDE simply overwrites old stuff with new stuff - when it should be changing the old stuff so that it works.
[18:31] <BarkingFish> leaving all these artefacts behind frankly, is bloody annoying :P
[18:32] <qbit> for comparison purposes: http://pastebin.com/kU6pys5W
[18:32] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: the actual problem might have been file permissions for the kiorc file
[18:33] <BarkingFish> i don't see how it could have been, I never changed them, and it had the same perms as everything else in that folder
[18:34] <BarkingFish> all the config files in that folder have the perms set as 600, owner = thor
[18:35] <phoenix_firebrd> BarkingFish: then it might have been something else
[18:36] <BarkingFish> well, whatever it was, it's working now.  So no need to file a bug on it - unless that would be helpful in case others experience the issue?
[18:37] <BarkingFish> in fact, I might just do that anyway, and note that it could be an artefact from previous versions
[18:47] <BarkingFish> Well i'd like to say thank you guys for the help in getting that issue fixed - I didn't realise checking through the scrollback, but that took well over an hour to sort out.  If you don't mind, I'm gonna take a breather, drop out and get some dinner since my blood sugar's on it's way down :)
[18:48] <BarkingFish> I'm gonna mark as away, but I'll still be about - so I'll see you in about 30 minutes
[18:49] <Joit> probatly you had a wrong permission on tis file
[21:07] <freeman__> sure is busy here :)
[21:08] <BarkingFish> hi freeman__ :)
[21:08] <freeman__> hello :)
[21:08] <BarkingFish> It never is that busy in here. Only when people actually pop by in need of help, and then only if someone is about to assist them :)
[21:09] <freeman__> oh, then this is some kind of serious channel? well, i just poped to say hello
[21:09] <freeman__> :)
[21:10] <freeman__> actualy, i have a question for an audience here. has anyone tried kde 4.9 rc2?
[21:16] <freeman__> none of u?
[21:19] <BarkingFish> I don't think so, not unless they're using one of our pre-release testing repositories
[21:19] <BarkingFish> All the current normal users will be on 4.8.4 afair
[21:20] <freeman__> 4.8.4 has been a setback for me so crossed my fingers and went to 4.9rc2
[21:23] <BarkingFish> what was wrong with 4.8.4?
[21:24] <freeman__> kwin would hang no matter what driver i would use
[21:27] <BarkingFish> That doesn't sound good by any means. kwin is good here and I'm on 4.8.4
[21:29] <freeman__> well, it was strange for me to. never had a problem with my propriety nVidia driver and kwin until 4.8.4
[21:29] <BarkingFish> Ah. One second then and let me go check if any bugs are filed against this
[21:29] <freeman__> ok :)
[21:31] <BarkingFish> ok - there have been no bugs reported against kwin hanging (in conjunction with an nVidia driver) since 2010 - so you may be wise to make an account at https:.//bugs.kde.org and file a bug to make people aware of the issue.
[21:32] <BarkingFish> the last bug filed was https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=257850 in November 2010
[21:33] <BarkingFish> the affected user there was also running an nVidia driver
[21:34] <freeman__> will it have any affect to report a bug for 4.8.4 if development has been forwarded for 4.9 and i have no issues with it (with 4.9)?
[21:35] <BarkingFish> freeman__, it may be wise - i have no idea how long it will be before 4.9 goes live to the network, so there may be users with 4.8.4 who have problems with it, and need a bugfix
[21:37] <freeman__> ok, will do then, cause the bug was really strenuous
[21:38] <BarkingFish> cool. Thanks for doing that.  If nobody knows that the bug exists, then it could potentially carry forward to another version :)
[21:45] <freeman__> well, i thought it was a more general problem cause i run pretty clean system, no exotic settings. 4.9 feels snappier then ever, one could feel that real work has been put in to it...
[21:46] <elvenfighter> Hello everone. About that post "Switching to KDE telepathy in 12.10". I've faced very annoying bug of ktp-contactlist: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=292719 . Can anybody confirm/investigate this?
[21:57] <dumnut_> hi, i have 2 ubuntu 12.04 computers. iwant to access the other's files. i went to wireless icon on top left and edited it, but still no connection. what more must i do?
[21:59] <BarkingFish> dumnut_, if you're on ubuntu 12.04, this would be the wrong channel to ask in :)  Try #ubuntu - this channel is for the KDE version, the other is for the Gnome / Unity version
[22:00] <dumnut_> hi BarkingFish, thank-you for direct
[22:00] <dumnut_> will do
[22:00] <BarkingFish> no problem, you're welcome :)
[22:10] <javier_> hola a todos
[22:12] <javier_> alguien me puede decir como hago en kubuntu para ver los videos en vista preeliminar cuando abro una carpeta'
[22:12] <freeman__> has anyone reported a bug in task manager, when it fails to refresh (suppose that's the problem) when one of the windows is closed? it leaves the gap and doesn't realign the rest of  the windows...
[22:14] <nstiurca> hey guys, I can't seem to log in to my account on fully upgraded kubuntu 12.04. As soon as I hit enter after typing my password, a black window (I think an instance of Konsole) briefly flashes, then the whole screen goes black for a few seconds and I find myself back at the login screen. My only hint so far as to what is wrong is the .xsession-errors file (http://pastebin.com/L7M5t4p6). KDE install seems ok since I can log in as an
[22:14] <BarkingFish> !es | javier_
[22:15] <BarkingFish> nstiurca, it sounds to me like x is failing to start.
[22:15] <BarkingFish> Can you manually start an x session?
[22:16] <freeman__> login,  then type startx
[22:16] <BarkingFish> freeman__, yep. That's the idea :)
[22:16] <freeman__> :)
[22:17] <BarkingFish> nstiurca, press CTRL+ALT+F1, login with your username and password, and simply type startx  to check if you can manually start an x session.
[22:18] <BarkingFish> The alternative is to go into the terminal and after login, type service kdm start  and see if launching a fresh kde session will help
[22:18] <nstiurca> I got a black screen with a window telling me "failed to start session gnome" :-S
[22:19] <nstiurca> btw i already have one KDE session running. as I said, I can log in as another user
[22:19] <nstiurca> service kdm start -> start: Job is already running: kdm
[22:20] <nstiurca> it might say something different if i were to log out of my alternate user account, but then i'd have to figure out how to connect to IRC from terminal...
[22:21] <BarkingFish> So if you have Kubuntu - how come it's trying to start a gnome session?
[22:21] <BarkingFish> or do you have both desktops installed?
[22:21] <nstiurca> not sure... i used to have gnome installed, but i uninstalled that ages ago
[22:21] <nstiurca> i guess some config file is still out of whack
[22:22] <BarkingFish> yeah, definitely
[22:22] <freeman__> have you upgraded kubuntu trough apt? is /home still pointing to your home directory?
[22:22] <nstiurca> what's very strange is that everything was working fine until a few days ago when my house lost power during the night, and upon restart of my computer i couldn't log in anymore
[22:23] <nstiurca> yes to both
[22:27] <freeman__> nstiurca, sudo apt-get check
[22:28] <nstiurca> Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done
[22:28] <freeman__> sudo apt-get -f
[22:29] <freeman__> sorry
[22:30] <freeman__> meant: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:30] <freeman__> any new packages?
[22:31] <nstiurca> yeah, looks like a kernel security patch (3.2.0-24 -> 3.2.0.26)
[22:32] <freeman__> worth a try
[22:32] <nstiurca> i upgraded before heading to the IRC :)
[22:32] <freeman__> :)
[22:33] <freeman__> no clue
[22:33] <freeman__> sorry
[22:34] <nstiurca> i've been trying to track down why X is trying to start gnome session... i haven't been able to find anything through either grepping around in /etc/X11 or looking at the files referenced in man startx
[22:34] <nstiurca> any ideas where that might be set?
[22:35] <Daskreech> nstiurca: prefdm?
[22:36] <nstiurca> Daskreech: not sure what you meant... if that's supposed to be a command, not found
[22:36] <freeman__> nstiurca: can you reach .xsession-errors in your home dir?
[22:37] <nstiurca> http://pastebin.com/L7M5t4p6
[22:37] <Daskreech> nstiurca: btw you can connect to irc from terminal if you like
[22:38] <nstiurca> Daskreech: I know, I did it before one time when I first got Linux years and years ago and for some reason thought it would be a good idea to uninstall X11... it seemed easier to just log in to my other account for now
[22:39] <Daskreech> nstiurca: :) Ok just letting you know that's an option if you like
[22:40] <Daskreech> elvenfighter: would you like me to try out with you?
[22:41] <Daskreech> nstiurca: can you change your login session?
[22:45] <nstiurca> Daskreech: yes, if I go to the K menu, Leave, Switch User, New Session, I end up at a login screen. The slight difference from what I reported in my first post is that after KDE crashes, instead of ending up at the login screen, I end up in my (locked) session I have running now with my other user account
[22:46] <Daskreech> ah
[22:46] <nstiurca> the .xsession-errors is the same, except in that case an empty .xsession-errors-:1 is also created
[22:49] <nstiurca> at any rate, I don't think there is anything wrong with my KDE installation at the system level since I can log in as a different user. so I tried deleting (backing up actually) ~/.kde and /var/tmp/kde-<username>, and I still can't log in
[22:50] <nstiurca> does KDE keep any config files elsewhere which may be causing problems?
[22:56] <nstiurca> hmm, renaming my home directory, then creating a fresh, empty home directory allows me to log in, although at the login screen I had to explicitly select KDE as my session to avoid it trying to start a Gnome session
[22:58] <nstiurca> I guess I can start moving things back a piece at a time from my backed up home into my new home
[22:59] <BarkingFish> that's a good idea - just don't copy anything from your old .kde folder on the backup, it may contain the configuration which messed your other set up :)
[23:00] <nstiurca> meh.  that means I lose all my KDE settings. also, i tried removing just .kde, which din't help so i think the culprit is elsewhere. still, I will tread carefully
[23:01] <BarkingFish> yeah, better to be safe now that you have your sessions working
[23:08] <Daskreech> mv ~/.kde ~/.kde_bkup
[23:19] <nstiurca> hmm, my .Xauthority in my old home folder is owned by root... wtf? I bet that was it...
[23:20] <Daskreech> nstiurca: that would probably help