[00:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: btw fun news, my G19 has started boot looping on a regular basis again, clearly something is loose in there :)
[00:20] <Azelphur> only it doesn't loop any more, it just restarts and reconnects so it's not as annoying
[01:59] <Azelphur> woot woot, just nuked a botnet :D
[02:00] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: oh?
[02:00] <Azelphur> sebsebseb: my friend got infected with a botnet, I grabbed the code off his machine and investigated, found a vulnerability and disabled the entire botnet.
[02:01] <sebsebseb> or just his computer as part of it?
[02:01] <Azelphur> nah, the infections on peoples machines are useless now
[02:01] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: surely they should have a re install of an OS, if been in one of those as well?
[02:01] <Azelphur> sebsebseb: I mean, I disabled the entire botnet, all the peoples machines that were infected everywhere are fixed
[02:01] <Azelphur> about 150 machines
[02:01] <sebsebseb> how do you know you disabled everyone's ?
[02:02] <Azelphur> because I took out the C&C and it has no update mechanism
[02:02] <sebsebseb> C means?
[02:02] <Azelphur> command and control
[02:02] <sebsebseb> C&C
[02:02] <Azelphur> it receives instructions from a server, the address is hardcoded, I got that server taken down
[02:02] <Azelphur> so the botnet is dead
[02:03] <sebsebseb> taken down how?
[02:03] <Azelphur> contacted the host
[02:03] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[02:03] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:03] <sebsebseb> found out where the ip address was or whatever, and contacted the host I guess
[02:04] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: so your friend has a Mac that got infected :d, uh  I mean uh Windows
[02:04] <Azelphur> yea, my friend is on Windows and got hit by a java driveby attack
[02:05] <sebsebseb> java driveby attack?
[02:05] <Azelphur> lol
[02:05] <sebsebseb> I read about a
[02:05] <sebsebseb> some malware recently that
[02:05] <sebsebseb> can infect Windows, Mac OS X, and Windows
[02:05] <sebsebseb> using untrusted certificates and the Java plugin it seems
[02:06] <sebsebseb> Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux, that was meant to say above
[02:06] <Azelphur> yea, I heard about that, not really concerned :)
[02:06] <sebsebseb> however I also read that  what it sends to Mac's, is made for the old Macs, the non Intel
[02:06] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: what did you mean by driveby I meant above
[02:07] <sebsebseb> I know what Java is :d
[02:07] <Azelphur> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive-by_download
[02:07] <sebsebseb> and I know what an attack is when talking computers as well or otherwise
[02:08] <sebsebseb> oh ok so that's what a drive by is
[02:08] <sebsebseb> thanks :)
[02:10] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: Going to OGGCamp by any chance?
[02:10] <Azelphur> nope
[02:10] <sebsebseb> I haven't been before, but plan to go this year
[02:11] <sebsebseb> and if so, I'll probably request to do a talk :D
[02:11] <Azelphur> cool :)
[02:11] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: yeah got  a distro  to help promote :)
[02:11] <sebsebseb> no not Ubuntu
[02:12] <Azelphur> ah :)
[02:13] <sebsebseb> directhex: will be an expensive weekend  if going, but got the money
[02:13] <sebsebseb> uh wrong person
[02:14] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: ^
[02:14] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:14] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: I guess I am not the only night person around here, or your not in UK for example
[02:14] <Azelphur> nah, I'm a night person
[02:14] <sebsebseb> yeah same here
[02:15] <sebsebseb> ,but sometimes got to sleep at night really
[02:15] <Azelphur> indeed
[02:16] <Azelphur> been working on conky today too, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/July/2012-07-13-230914_1366x768_scrot.png
[02:16] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: anyway I like  being awake at this time of year, as it's getting light early :d
[02:16] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:16] <sebsebseb> so in about two hours from now that
[02:18] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: or do you mean yesterday :d  I mean it's only been Saturday  here in UK for a bit over three hours now :d
[02:18] <Azelphur> true, technically yesterday :D
[02:19] <sebsebseb> conky yeah that's a nice little program
[02:19] <sebsebseb> but well  have had it installed in distros, and open, and that's it really
[02:19] <sebsebseb> let's have a look at your screenshot
[02:19] <sebsebseb> had it installed in distros before above I meant to put
[02:20] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:20] <sebsebseb> yeah that looks quite inteesting
[02:20] <sebsebseb> your screenshot
[02:21] <Azelphur> ty :)
[02:22] <sebsebseb> Unity looks nice in it as well :d  however every time I try out  Ubuntu since uhmm 2009/2010 I remember why I don't like Ubuntu that much anymore
[02:22] <Azelphur> haha
[02:22] <sebsebseb> actually I got Ubuntu 12.04 installed on here as well, but will hardly ever boot that up
[02:23] <sebsebseb> I still try out Ubuntu final versions, and that's about it, since used it for years as my distro from the secnod release in 2005
[02:24] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: Unity and Gnome Shell yeah,  they can  look so nice in screenshots and such, but then when actually using can be a bit hmm, know what I mean?
[02:24] <Azelphur> sebsebseb: seems fine to me at least on my netbook
[02:25] <Azelphur> on my PC not so much, unity disagrees with lots of screens
[02:25] <sebsebseb> what UNity you mean?
[02:26] <sebsebseb> Unity is a intersting project from a technical point of view, since it took features I didn't like as Gnome 2 patches in  Ubuntu 9.04, 9.10 and 10.04,  put in an actsaul interface with other stuff as well, for example and so on
[02:26] <Azelphur> :)
[02:27] <sebsebseb> also Unity was oringally going to be for netbooks only,  the 10.10 version was aimed at netbooks only, but could be run on a desktop as well with Ubuntu or Lubuntu that was interesting :)
[02:27] <sebsebseb> so yeah it's meant to work quite well on net books
[02:29] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: most other distros won't support it though at this time, for various reasons, depending on distro
[02:29] <Azelphur> :)
[02:29] <sebsebseb> Unity is ok, but not really aimed at me,  I can see why quite a lot of non technical users may like it though.
[02:30] <Azelphur> yea
[02:30] <Azelphur> that's something I like about Ubuntu, it's tailored for non technical users, but you can take it as far as you like
[02:30] <Azelphur> my Ubuntu is obviously not very standard :)
[02:30] <sebsebseb> for me Unity when I try it is, just really a dock down the left,  and the  way it shows icons, with some other features,  and a search feature, and that's about it really,  GNOME Shell is like that for me as well, but out of the two, I much prefer GNOME Shell :)
[02:31] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: sure,  but I can think of quite a few other distros, that are rather user friendly for new users as well, in cerrtain ways, much more so than Ubuntu or Mint as well really
[02:31] <Azelphur> sebsebseb: like?
[02:31] <Azelphur> I don't think that can be the case really, user base is one of the most important factors of ease of use
[02:32] <sebsebseb> comunity is one thing, but a lot of the smaller distros, have very good communites as well :)
[02:32] <sebsebseb> not as big as Ubuntu's by a long way though
[02:32] <sebsebseb> or Mint's even
[02:33] <Azelphur> size is important for hardware testing
[02:33] <sebsebseb> hardware testing hmm
[02:33] <sebsebseb> well yes distros do hardware support differnetly here and there
[02:34] <sebsebseb> ,but there are like upstream standards for stuff to do with that a bit more, certain things will be more standardised across distros, which is good :)
[02:36] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: by the way even distros, with quite small development teams, can come out with quite impressive releases, and oh I know
[02:36] <sebsebseb> however yeah the more people the better really in general :)
[02:37] <sebsebseb> when it comes to development
[02:37] <Azelphur> yea, I liked bodhi
[02:37] <sebsebseb> right, but that's an Ubuntu based distro
[02:37] <sebsebseb> I maybe should have been more clear
[02:38] <sebsebseb> I meant distributions that aren't based on another distro
[02:38] <sebsebseb> or that were, but are a proper fork of
[02:39] <Azelphur> ah :)
[02:39] <sebsebseb> and as  a result ones that don't have another distro as their upstream for packages for example,   so yep that's Mint out as well for example, since they got Ubuntu as upstream or Debian,  however in the case of Mint,  they do some quite impressive interface stuff now days really.  Altough I haven't tried Cinnamon just yet saying that, but Mate yep :).
[02:41] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: oh loads of distros can be made, with not htat much effort, that are based on Ubuntu, and well yes loads have been made as a result
[02:41] <sebsebseb> forks of distros, or starting a distro 100% from scratch,  now that's another story, and the quite impressive stories :d
[02:42] <Azelphur> hehe
[02:44] <ali1234> elementaryOS is better than mint
[02:45] <sebsebseb> for example the distro I contribute to do  doing community stuff, is a fork of another distro,  so they had to do nearly everything them selves, when it came to making the distro itself, but of course they had to set up their own iinfrastructe and all that as well,  and it 's all 100% community everyone is a volunteer and all that, but well I didn't come here to promote it.  However it's also one of the distributions with a nice graphical control
[02:45] <sebsebseb> centre,  which makes it  rather user friendly for beginners to expereinced Desktop Linux users.  I wonder why distros such as Ubuntu and Mint are still lacking something like that?
[02:45] <ali1234> it depends on your definition of "nice"
[02:45] <sebsebseb> that was for Azelphur
[02:45] <ali1234> i can't think of a distro that has a better one than the one in gnome
[02:46] <sebsebseb> as for elementaryOS yeah that's meant to be quite a good one as well, but again it's Ubuntu based
[02:46] <sebsebseb> like Mint
[02:46] <sebsebseb> ali1234: I can think of a few :d
[02:46] <sebsebseb> plus they have the one that's in GNOME as well of course
[02:46] <ali1234> i can think of plenty of worse ones
[02:47] <sebsebseb> looks liike we got another night owl here :d  ali1234
[02:47] <Azelphur> ali1234: I killed a bitcoin botnet :D
[02:47] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: hmm or maybe your in USA or something, by the looks of your host name
[02:47] <sebsebseb> uh for ali1234
[02:48] <Azelphur> sebsebseb: obvious vhost is obvious
[02:48] <sebsebseb> Azelphur: bitcoin one hmm?  I read some stuff about bitcoin an alternative way to pay for stuff or whatever, and meant to be quite good, but also not that popular yet
[02:49] <Azelphur> sebsebseb: yea, I'm big into bitcoin.
[02:49] <sebsebseb> right, but  the botnet had something tod o with bitcoin?
[02:49] <ali1234> have you seen what happen to solidcoin? i find this hilarious
[02:50] <sebsebseb> whatever that is
[02:50] <Azelphur> ali1234: what happened?
[02:50] <ali1234> price crash. now worth less than litecoins
[02:50] <ali1234> and solidcoin 3 is 2 months late
[02:51] <Azelphur> haha
[02:51] <Azelphur> well nobody sane invested in it anyway, solidcoin was made by a retard
[02:51] <ali1234> and how about that ponzi pirate guy?
[02:52] <ali1234> what's up with that??
[02:52] <Azelphur> don't start on that dude I have like £4000 with him
[02:52] <Azelphur> haha
[02:52] <ali1234> LOLWTF
[02:52] <ali1234> cash out NAO
[02:52] <Azelphur> he isn't a ponzi :p
[02:52] <ali1234> HAHAHA
[02:52] <ali1234> ok, if you say so :)
[02:53]  * Azelphur crosses fingers
[02:53] <Azelphur> ali1234: I did take a huge payout outta that account recently, so he is legit so far
[02:53] <ali1234> just the interest?
[02:53] <ali1234> no.
[02:54] <Azelphur> I put in 400B and left it for a while
[02:54] <Azelphur> then I took 400 out again, then I dumped 100 back in
[02:54] <Azelphur> currently got 483.98 in there
[02:54] <Azelphur> plus a bunch of other peoples money via me
[02:55] <ali1234> wow. that's an incredibly bad idea if i ever heard one...
[02:55] <Azelphur> pfft
[02:57] <ali1234> just ask yourself this question: if he has this amazing system for getting such incredibly high return, why does he still need other people's money?
[02:58] <Azelphur> because he's making more than 7% on everyone elses money, and on his money too
[02:59] <ali1234> that's not a good answer
[03:00] <Azelphur> ali1234: why not?
[03:00] <Azelphur> your question is pretty much the same for banks
[03:00] <ali1234> banks don't pay interest anywhere near what he does
[03:00] <Azelphur> the fact is making 1% on a huge amount of money is better than making 8% on a small amount
[03:00] <Azelphur> yea, that's because they pocket it all haha
[03:01] <ali1234> no it isn't
[03:01] <ali1234> to both
[03:01] <Azelphur> you can't pull 7% on such large amounts of money though, obviously
[03:01] <Azelphur> but banks are continually investing in startups and taking decent rates home
[03:01] <Azelphur> much more than your getting paid.
[03:01] <ali1234> no they aren't
[03:01]  * Azelphur shrugs
[03:01] <ali1234> that's not what banks do
[07:25] <popey> morning
[07:26] <AlanBell> morning
[07:26] <popey> might bring wife and kids to the pub this afternoon
[07:27] <popey> AlanBell, do you know if they have a kids menu?
[08:02]  * popey spies new mono stuff from directhex in his updates
[08:02] <directhex> popey: le security update?
[08:02] <popey> dunno, bazillion libmono things
[08:02] <popey> (not a problem)
[08:03] <directhex> popey: looks like canonical security haven't made any uploads for security yet... you using badgerports.org? i put the security upoad in there
[08:04] <popey> yes
[08:04] <directhex> well, there you go then!
[08:04] <directhex> ( http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2012/CVE-2012-3382.html )
[08:56] <AlanBell> popey: not sure, but I can find out a bit later
[08:58] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:07] <christel> morning
[09:08] <christel> popey: the mulberry? they do indeed have a kids menu! :)
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning christel
[09:08] <christel> hello brobostigon :)
[09:08] <brobostigon> :)
[09:12] <AlanBell> not sure whether or not I will make it to the mulberry
[09:14]  * christel gasps
[09:15] <christel> but but
[09:17] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:28]  * StevenR wonders if a company's requirement for a "Major Incident Manager" is a good thing or a bad thing 
[09:29] <AlanBell> christel: I will try and join you there, but might not make it for 4pm
[09:29] <StevenR> (no idea what the company is - job posting just says "Financial Services")
[10:19] <christel> *nod*
[10:19] <christel> :)
[12:16]  * AlanBell rearranges stuff
[12:17] <AlanBell> popey: christel: looks like I will be at the mulberry, with family
[12:17] <popey> cool
[12:23] <christel> woo
[12:25] <Monotoko> Afternoon fellas
[12:54] <popey> yay, hugo is coming to the pub too
[13:27] <AlanBell> filbert has a spare ticket popey
[13:27] <popey> hugo has one :)
[13:28] <AlanBell> cool
[13:31] <Daviey> the RAT?
[13:33] <AlanBell> Daviey: yeah
[13:38] <Daviey> AlanBell: gah, i thought there were no spare tickets.. otherwise i'd have gone.
[13:38] <Daviey> dammit.
[13:39] <AlanBell> Daviey: you have 4 hours to get here ;)
[13:39] <popey> the spare is because czajkowski is ill AIUI
[13:40] <popey> so you'd have to be filberts uhm..
[13:40] <popey> yes, that's the word
[13:42] <Daviey> i'd take it like a man
[13:42] <Daviey> next time, i am on it, even if i need to kill.
[13:49] <czajkowski> popey: spare is gone
[13:49] <czajkowski> bryn is going
[13:49] <popey> ahhh
[13:49] <popey> cool
[13:55] <psutton> hello#
[13:56] <AlanBell> czajkowski: that is great
[13:56] <AlanBell> czajkowski: but you need to not be ill next time!
[14:21] <christel> i will be a few minutes late as need to grab 1 x Dave2 from north camp and he gets in at 3:57
[14:23] <popey> ttfn
[14:26] <AlanBell> yay, Dave2
[14:32] <bigcalm_laptop> Ahoy
[14:35] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm_laptop
[14:37] <bigcalm_laptop> Hi brobostigon
[14:42] <bigcalm_laptop> Almost time for burgers, trains and ale!
[14:42] <brobostigon> :)
[14:57] <bigcalm_laptop> Choo choo!
[15:01] <Seeker`> protip: Thumbs and fans don't go well together
[15:04] <Aerodynamic> Hello, Can I get some assitance with a boot issue?
[15:04] <penguin42> Aerodynamic: This isn't a help channel, see #ubuntu for that - but we're friendly and bored - what's up?
[15:05] <Aerodynamic> Are you wanting me to go there?
[15:05] <penguin42> Aerodynamic: Possibly best, but go on - ask your question
[15:07] <Aerodynamic> Okay, Well. I will give more details if needed. But I installed directly to the hard-drive into dual-boot with windows. (My family is unwilling to switch from windows so that was the only option.) It worked yesterday. But now when I select Ubuntu I get a Grub prompt
[15:07] <penguin42> when you say a grub prompt, what exactly do you see?
[15:09] <Aerodynamic> A screen with a black background that says, GRUB >>_                               Or something like that. Then what I type in. It also says that if I press tab it will give me a list of possible commands. And commands are things like, submenu, boot, linux, and other things.
[15:10] <penguin42> Aerodynamic: Hmm ok, that sounds like for some reason Grub has lost it's config file that should normally give you a menu and stuff
[15:12] <Aerodynamic> I could give you some details that might tell you why. My mother was on the computer. She was annoyed by a program that caused a pop-up in her windows user whenever she logged in. A program called 4Sync that was completely useless I installed. I planned on Un-Installing but hadn't got around to it yet. So I went ahead and started the un-install process. I look back at the computer screen while she still had the computer in her
[15:12] <Aerodynamic> I saw a screen with a black background. With some white text. She pressed enter without me even seeing what the screen said and a great bunch of text scrolled down the screen.
[15:14] <Aerodynamic> Looked like a normal command prompt screen only without possible commands. Just displayed text. This was after I only started the un-install process. From the normal GUI. I look back and that is what I see..... So she eventually booted back up and everything went as normal until this morning when I tried booting up with Linux and I got this command prompt
[15:14] <Aerodynamic> The one I described
[15:15] <penguin42> Aerodynamic: hmm, a bit odd - that almost sounds like a grub menu followed by a linux boot with out the splash screen/failsafe mode - but then that shouldn't break grub next time
[15:16] <Aerodynamic> If it says anything when I look in the Grub folder it is empty. But this is when I view my ubuntu folder from windows.
[15:16] <penguin42> Aerodynamic: If I was trying to fix this, I'd boot off the Ubuntu install CD, mount the hard drive partitions, and reinstall grub
[15:17] <Aerodynamic> The issue is that I didn't use a Live CD. I installed from wubi.. Which unfortunately was my only option.
[15:18] <penguin42> hmm, I don't know anything about wubi, and if you're using wubi it makes me think perhaps your problem is different
[15:18] <Aerodynamic> Its done this on two computers already. Its quite annoying
[15:19] <brobostigon> thats wubi for you, it is easy to break, considering how windows handles non-windows in the boot in the hdd.
[15:20] <Aerodynamic> Yeah, They seem pretty greedy with holding people down to a windows machine
[15:48] <brobostigon> ok, nexus7 or playbook ?
[15:49] <penguin42> definitely not playbook
[15:50] <brobostigon> i would like qnx from the playbook, on the nexus7 hw.
[15:52] <brobostigon> that isnt unless, android has moved along, that much, that it would beat qnx, since android 2.3
[16:02] <penguin42> 2.3 is a long time ago
[16:03] <brobostigon> true, but it is the last version, i have had enough time with, to be able to compare against.
[16:06] <brobostigon> also for the nexus, is the spec is higher. and system updates are directly by google, insted of at the descration of other ouside companies.
[16:08] <brobostigon> also android has more sw choice.
[16:13] <BigRedS> why do you want qnx?
[16:14] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i just seems atrractive, from what i have used of it, and read about it.
[17:12] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... popey getting p'g on a RAT, alanbell getting stuffed with oversized burgers,,,, time for some fun?
[17:18] <SuperEngineer> *p'd
[18:07] <AlanBell> choo choo
[18:09] <brobostigon> slurp :)
[19:59]  * SuperEngineer takes the opportunity of it being so quiet here to go: zzzzzzzzzzzzz [s'ok - nobody's watching]
[19:59] <brobostigon> lol
[19:59] <SuperEngineer> damn - I woke someone up!
[20:00] <brobostigon> :) hehe
[20:06] <penguin42> shhhhh
[20:07] <SuperEngineer> ok, while we're all awake - why does Alien Arena trigger a temperature alarm on the CPU not the GPU!!!
[20:08]  * SuperEngineer slaps wrist for playing games not working ;)
[20:10] <penguin42> well - is the CPU working flat out?
[20:10] <SuperEngineer> [should have looked for "Beer Train" game... only, trouble is all the admins have nicked it
[20:11] <SuperEngineer> no - I have an "early" alarm set at 70 [real high is 80 - critical at 90]
[20:12] <penguin42> laptop or desktop?
[20:12] <SuperEngineer> plenty of safety left - just surprised the GPU [nvidia] wasn't doing more of the work]
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> Pendulum: desktop [old Dell dimension with a couple of added goodies]
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: desktop [old Dell dimension with a couple of added goodies]
[20:13] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Well I don't know the innards of the game, but if you're cooling isn't great then perhaps the heat from the GPU is stopping the cooling on the on the CPU being that great?
[20:13] <SuperEngineer> [sorry Pendulum]
[20:14] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - check out the nickname - SuperEngineer has only recently airdusted and checked all ok ;)
[20:14] <SuperEngineer> as in... Super
[20:15] <SuperEngineer> [otherwise I would use Supper] ;)
[20:16] <penguin42> could try profiling it to see where your time is going, but it doesn't surprise me that a game uses the CPU as well as the GPU a lot
[20:18] <SuperEngineer> me neither - but I just wish nVidia would take more of the load [wishful thinking only]
[20:19] <SuperEngineer> [still - the game does do quite a lot for an old machine to be coping with
[20:19]  * MartijnVdS installs ICS on his old Nexus One
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> after *shudder* repartitioning the flash
[20:20] <SuperEngineer> ooops did I say game? [in case any bosses listening in - I meant heavy workload of workstuff only!]
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: http://xkcd.com/303/
[20:21] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: darn - caught me out!  ;)
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: don't worry, I'm a coder myself ;)
[20:22] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> anyway
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> ICS seems to work!
[21:04] <AlanBell> hiya
[21:04] <AlanBell> still on a train
[21:05] <AlanBell> slighrly intoxicated now
[21:05] <brobostigon> choochoo
[21:05] <brobostigon> lol :)
[21:05] <brobostigon> hi AlanBell
[21:13] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[21:24] <Azelphur> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/33906036/2012-07-14%2016.01.18.jpg I think we can fix it.
[21:27] <dogmatic69> ebay: "like new, minor scratches on the lid"
[21:27] <Azelphur> haha
[21:28] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: you shot it to pieces?
[21:28] <Azelphur> nah, my friends dad did
[21:28] <dogmatic69> ah
[21:28] <dogmatic69> in the uk?
[21:28] <Azelphur> Canda
[21:28] <Azelphur> +a
[21:28] <dogmatic69> thought that blue stuff in the background was a bit strange
[21:30] <Azelphur> I've got this really old laptop and I'm trying to Lubuntu it, but none of the live cds seem to work, it drops to busybox and says "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[21:31] <Azelphur> I've tried this with two different 10.04 LTS disks, and a 12.04 LUbuntu, 8.04 KUbuntu worked however
[21:32] <Azelphur> oO, I typed exit and it kernel panic'd
[21:32] <Azelphur> lol
[21:41] <directhex> moo.
[21:41] <Azelphur> moo
[21:41] <Azelphur> so, got his laptop in busybox again, I can't find the cd drive anywhere in /dev.
[21:41] <Azelphur> this*
[22:17] <Azelphur> this is really weird, it's booting from CD and yet there's no CD drive in /dev at all from what I can see
[22:28] <BigRedS> Azelphur: that's not *that* uncommon
[22:28] <BigRedS> all it means is that teh BIOS can find the CD drive but the kernel can't
[22:28] <Azelphur> I think I might have found it, it may be /dev/sg0
[22:28] <Azelphur> but I can't get it to mount :(
[22:31] <BigRedS> sg0 might well point at it, but sg* is for esoteric and custom featuresets
[22:31] <BigRedS> so not mounting
[22:31] <Azelphur> ah
[22:32] <Azelphur> suggestions?
[22:32] <BigRedS> Can the hardware boot off USB?
[22:32] <Azelphur> no
[22:32] <BigRedS> alternatively stick teh hdd in something else, install, then put it back
[22:32] <BigRedS> other than that, I don't know
[22:32] <Azelphur> that could work
[22:33] <Azelphur> good idea
[22:33] <BigRedS> you might be able to create a block /dev/thingie for it, but I wouldn't know where to start
[22:33]  * Azelphur steals mums laptop \o/
[22:33] <BigRedS> ah, cool
[22:33] <BigRedS> haha
[22:33] <Azelphur> oh wait, this is gonna be IDE
[22:33] <Azelphur> hmm
[22:33]  * Azelphur tries some things
[22:43] <Azelphur> woot, got it mounted on my PC via some cheapo USB chinese adapter
[22:43] <Azelphur> now to virtualbox passthru and install
[22:43] <penguin42> sigh, reminds me I need to fix my dads machine - it did an update the other day and now doesn't get into grub
[22:45] <Laney> what update?
[22:46] <penguin42> that, I've not figured out yet
[22:47] <Laney> well, you should. and then you must file a bug and tag it regression-update
[22:48] <Laney> regressions in -updates are a very serious matter
[22:49] <Laney> (unless it turns out to be something you did, of course)
[22:52] <penguin42> indeed, 1st I need to find out what the heck's going on - I tried a chroot'd update-grub and that hasn't helped
[23:38] <penguin42> Laney: Hmm not at all obvious, it had a kernel update at the time it failed, which I guess means it did a grub-update, but it's last grub dpkg update had occurred at the same time as it got it's last kernel update
[23:40] <penguin42> but that kernel works fine
[23:47] <penguin42> hmm, working - I think the only thing I can see is that it was the 1st grub update after changing graphics cards - shrug, configured grub into text mode and we're OK