[00:49] <christel> hoho
[00:49] <christel> ho
[00:54] <penguin42> hohoho?
[00:55] <Azelphur> woot, got this ancient charity laptop booting Lubuntu, summary: shits fast
[00:55] <christel> absolutely!
[00:55] <christel> <- santa claus!
[00:55] <christel> \o/
[00:55] <Azelphur> it'd be cool if the touchpad, wifi or ethernet worked, but one thing at a time xD
[00:55] <penguin42> Azelphur: What is it ?
[00:56] <Azelphur> It's a compaq presario 900
[00:56] <Azelphur> running an upgrade atm, hopefully some of the bugs will be fixed in updates \o/
[00:56] <penguin42> yeuch
[00:57] <Azelphur> this is so fast it's tempting to use it on my desktop
[00:59] <christel> the ubuntuuk real ale train wotsit was AMAZING fun! <3
[01:00] <Azelphur> lol just stumbled upon a FAQ about Linux on hp.com
[01:00] <Azelphur> "How do I open Windows with Linux?" ...is this seriously a FAQ
[01:28] <Azelphur> hmm yea, this doesn't look good
[01:28] <Azelphur>  /proc/bus/input/devices reports one device, the keyboard.
[01:28] <Azelphur> even though this is a laptop with a touchpad
[01:30] <soreau> christel: ale train?
[01:40] <christel> yesss
[01:40] <christel> twasWONDERFUL
[08:12] <christel> Gooood morning
[08:35]  * czajkowski hugs christel 
[08:36]  * christel hugs czajkowski <3
[08:38] <czajkowski> christel: have fun last night
[08:39] <christel> yes! it was such a good night! shame you didn't make it!
[08:39] <jussi> oh hai christel!
[08:39] <christel> hai hai jussi :)
[08:39] <jussi> and czajkowski
[08:41] <AlanBell> morning
[08:41] <AlanBell> one of my chickens seems to have just dropped dead :(
[08:41] <jussi> AlanBell: :(
[08:42] <jussi> AlanBell: you gave them a windows cd, right? :S
[08:42] <christel> oh no :(
[08:46] <AlanBell> jussi: they have had an ubuntu server CD since kubuntu CDs stopped
[08:48] <jussi> lol
[08:48] <jussi> can we blame the server peoples then?
[08:48] <jussi> :D
[08:49] <czajkowski> christel: trust me I was gutted to not be there :(
[08:49] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oh no :(
[08:51] <AlanBell> I just let them out and they walked over to the patio and Chocolate just flopped down and died
[08:52] <jussi> :(
[08:53] <czajkowski> AlanBell: most odd
[08:55]  * christel hugs AlanBell 
[09:10] <christel> at least that's sunday roast sorted i guess
[09:10] <christel> :x
[09:13] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:14] <popey> morning
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning popey
[09:15]  * AlanBell just broke the hoover too
[09:15] <AlanBell> today is not going well
[09:16]  * brobostigon also broke his hair brush aswell.
[09:16]  * popey gets a restorative egg sandwich and tea
[09:16] <christel> i am not sure that you're supposed to try hoover up chickens
[09:17] <brobostigon> could be an interesting feather removal method.
[09:23] <AlanBell> ;)
[09:24] <christel> i have lost The Spider
[09:25] <Myrtti> HI ALANBELL AND POPEY AND CHRISTEL AND BIGCALM AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO WERE AT RAT. HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE MUCH HEADACHE
[09:25] <Myrtti> :-P
[09:25] <christel> haha
[09:27] <popey> :D
[12:38] <SuperEngineer> http://tinyurl.com/d5e5k26  -  made I laugh ;)
[12:44] <popey> \o/
[12:44]  * popey is bugfixing
[12:44] <buzz_> o/ popey
[12:44] <popey> yo
[12:57] <SuperEngineer> popey: stop stamping on bugs - then you won't feel "guilted" into superglue-ing them back together ;)
[13:02] <SuperEngineer> ...& bug fixing with a hangover?  ooo - now that's a brave popey
[13:02] <popey> :)
[13:02] <popey> its only a bash script, not too hard :)
[13:14] <whiterain> hi guys. i recently installed ubuntu 12.04 which is working fine on my 64 bit. installed gnome shell from synaptic which was error free. when i reboot i choose gnome but it goes to the old classic life. it never boots up with gnome shell. i have a 11.10 partition on which gnome shell is working fine.can any oen help
[13:15] <whiterain> old classic gnome desktop*
[13:18] <whiterain> old classic gnome desktop*
[13:34] <SuperEngineer> just tried gnome-shell [was looking for an excuse] - did you try pressing the ,super. aka windows key? did you select "gnome 2d" not "gnome"?
[13:35] <SuperEngineer> [& yes I'm now back on Unity desktop - think this is better - experiment over
[13:37] <SuperEngineer> ...and so much better & improved session type selection, used to be messy - restore back to Unity ["Ubuntu"] was perfect.  well done devs.
[13:39] <whiterain> SuperEngineer, when should i press those keys
[13:41] <SuperEngineer> whiterain: first -ensure you select Gnome, not Gnome 2d.  secoundly once desktop loaded, then press the Super [a.k.a. Windows] key.
[13:41] <SuperEngineer> & 3rd, if you're like me, switch back to Ubuntu desktop ;)
[13:42] <whiterain> SuperEngineer, yes i chose gnome and not 2d. it has gone to classic desktop now. can i press super key now
[13:42] <SuperEngineer> worth a try
[13:43] <whiterain> SuperEngineer, i couldnt use unity at all. i tried it several times and was about to give up on ubuntu. :-(
[13:43] <czajkowski> whiterain: what was your issue with it ?
[13:44] <SuperEngineer> then try Xubuntu or Lubuntu... download ISO & run from live CD to give yourself a taster.
[13:44] <whiterain> czajkowski, are u usking me about the unity. i did not feel it comfirtable
[13:44] <brobostigon> my question would be, is gnome-shell requires similer opengl acceleration like unity, does said machine support this?
[13:44] <czajkowski> whiterain: yes but in what way were you uncomfortable with unity ?
[13:44] <czajkowski> just curious
[13:45] <whiterain> SuperEngineer, i have been using gnome shell alright on ubuntu 11.10 for past 6 months now. just wanted to use 12.04 with gnome shell
[13:45] <SuperEngineer> whiterain: at first - like many others - neither did I.  Now I likey very much
[13:46] <greenian2> im using gnome shell on a net book running 12.04 fine
[13:46] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA9EHaNc2VI  us a great video done by popey explaining unity
[13:46] <czajkowski> very useful
[13:46] <whiterain> greenian2, i have installed gnome shell but no use. when i boot it goes to the old panel type desktop envi
[13:47] <brobostigon> unity is good on my mumbuntu machine, unity is good. however for me, on my eeepc, ubuntu tends to be too heavy and so does unity, sometimes for my eeepc. so i use gnome-shell, which works alittle better. but i gave ubuntu on sdcard, and play with both.
[13:47] <SuperEngineer> czajkowski: good call
[13:47] <greenian2> the ubuntu symbol top left of the sign inn pannel left click and choose gnome
[13:48] <whiterain> czajkowski, i have a switchable graphics on my laptop. it kept frozing every time when i used initially. computer heats up so quickly. and as a noob i fell apart
[13:48] <czajkowski> whiterain: interesting as most new people I've met using it have found it great and dont notice much of a difference and love it
[13:49] <whiterain> greenian2, i am on gnome desktop now
[13:49] <czajkowski> SuperEngineer: indeed it's useful and I think more people watching it will learn how to use unity
[13:49] <greenian2> ok
[13:49] <whiterain> greenian2, but unfortunately its the old classical type
[13:50] <jacobw> awesomewm
[13:50] <ali1234> it means your computer does not support the accelerated graphics
[13:50] <whiterain> greenian2, i did what ever u said but i cant see gnome anywhere there
[13:50] <brobostigon> my mum said she likes the app icons, in the unity sidebar, and how they change, depending on what happens with the app.
[13:50]  * jacobw is suprised ssh+irssi works so well on 3g
[13:51] <whiterain> ali1234, i have two cards. its switchable graphics..linux cant manage switching it..i know about it. but ubuntu 11.10 is working with gnome shell on the same laptop
[13:51] <brobostigon> gwubber being a good example.
[13:51] <brobostigon> gwibber*
[13:52] <greenian2> whiterain have you downloaded gnome shell ?
[13:52] <whiterain> greenian2, yes i have installed gnome shell
[13:52] <jacobw> unity2d makes more sense than gnome-shell
[13:53] <greenian2> sorry i dont know why you cant see it on sign inn then
[13:53] <whiterain> greenian2, i can see that when i sign in. i choose gnome when i sign in. but the desktop env remains the classic one
[13:53] <whiterain> with the panel
[13:56] <SuperEngineer> whiterain: press the Super key [it should be called the SuperEngineer key]  ;)
[13:57] <whiterain> SuperEngineer, when do u want me to press super key?
[13:57] <whiterain> SuperEngineer, whe n i login ?
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> when you're at the Gnome desktop - if your graphics can handle it - you will have gnome-Shell - maybe it can't?
[13:58] <whiterain> SuperEngineer, but gnome shell works fine on 11.10 on the same laptop
[13:59] <ali1234> how it it useful to keep repeating that
[13:59] <ali1234> it clearly doesn't work fine on 12.04
[13:59] <SuperEngineer> whiterain: ok - me confused then - thought of a bug hunt?
[13:59] <SuperEngineer> or a bug report even
[14:00] <SuperEngineer> [assuming you have *restarted your pooter since install?}
[14:00] <whiterain> SuperEngineer, oh yes.
[14:01] <SuperEngineer> Gnome-Shell requires a restart  -  did I/you forget to mention that whiterain
[14:02] <whiterain> SuperEngineer, oh yes i have restarted the computer several times now.
[14:02] <SuperEngineer> ok
[14:02] <SuperEngineer> bug hunt / bug report it is then?
[14:02] <brobostigon> it might be a graphics driver regression that has killed opengl acceleration ?
[14:04] <whiterain> do u think its alright to file a bug abt that then
[14:04] <brobostigon> i would, unless you can find something that describes it already, in which case, add onto said bug.
[14:06] <whiterain> tx guys
[14:07] <greenian2> sorry im back fuse triped
[14:09] <SuperEngineer> just downloaded the popey unity video. hey, popey - your rubbish folder needs emptying ;)
[15:01] <SuperEngineer> darn weather forecast - why can't they just pretend & put up sunny forecast for once!
[15:02]  * SuperEngineer hunts for open source weather changing application
[15:02] <brobostigon> lol :)
[15:17] <SuperEngineer> So when do we stop saying the "super key" & officially rename it the SuperEngineer"
[15:17] <SuperEngineer> "kety
[15:17] <SuperEngineer> *key
[15:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Akademy Group Photo - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4589
[15:22] <popey> :)
[16:05] <d3ngar> Hi there
[16:05] <d3ngar> I was wondering if someone could help me with the administration of postfix?
[16:06] <d3ngar> I followed the manual here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixCompleteVirtualMailSystemHowto
[16:06] <d3ngar> And I added some info in the MySQL tables
[16:06] <d3ngar> As far as I thought would be needed
[16:12] <raphasaurus> hi
[16:16] <Flashtek> d3ngar: is there any more to your story.. or is that it ?
[16:21] <d3ngar> Flashtek: thanks for replying
[16:21] <d3ngar> I cannot access my mail now
[16:22] <d3ngar> I have tried to set-up the mail server in thunderbird to the best of my knowledge, but I don't get anywhere
[16:23] <d3ngar> By the looks of it, I can send mail to the server though
[16:23] <d3ngar> It doesn't bounce, I don't get a derlivery failure
[16:29] <SuperEngineer> just had had another look at Gnome shell - sorry Gnomies - but a big "yuk! nah, not for me"
[16:46] <ali1234> who watches F1? i've got a question
[16:46] <ali1234> http://www.play-auto.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/starting-grid.jpg
[16:46] <ali1234> at the start of the race they all line up in the starting grid, yeah?
[16:46] <ali1234> they also measure lap times on each lap
[16:47] <ali1234> so on the first lap, does the lap timer start when the light goes green, or does it start when that driver crosses the start/finish line the first time?
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> ali1234:  timing starts with the very start of the race.  there are timing sections [usual 3] around the lap
[16:51] <SuperEngineer> lap time ends at the finish line
[16:51] <ali1234> so the first lap is actually "longer" if you're at the back
[16:52] <ali1234> in terms of lap times
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> yup
[16:52] <ali1234> ok
[16:52] <AlanBell> interesting question, I guess it would be when the drivers individually cross the start line, so the back of the grid will get a faster first lap
[16:52] <ali1234> thanks
[16:52] <ali1234> AlanBell: that's what i thought too but apparently not
[16:52] <SuperEngineer> & also if you finish last ;)
[16:52] <AlanBell> because they are going heaps faster over the line than the front of the grid would
[16:52] <ali1234> that's true
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> so alls fair in love & F1
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> [timing sections are the key point]
[16:55] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7cZFHWbaow
[16:55] <ali1234> notice my lap timer doesn't start until you cross the line
[16:55] <ali1234> that was really annoying to implement
[16:56] <SuperEngineer> start line = time start - finish line = time end, the cars at the back [theoretically] croos the start line faster but have no real advantage
[16:56]  * SuperEngineer removes his Murray Walker hat now
[16:57] <ali1234> so the clock does start when they cross the line?
[16:57] <ali1234> now i'm confused
[16:57] <AlanBell> yeah, race start is when the lights go green, for first sector times it is when they cross the line
[16:57] <ali1234> cool so i did it right
[16:58] <SuperEngineer> yup - each car individually timed through on board telemetry kit
[16:58]  * SuperEngineer re-removes his Murray Walker hat now
[16:58] <AlanBell> ali1234: that looks outstandingly good
[16:58] <ali1234> thanks :)
[17:05] <brobostigon> is it possible within apache2, to have it record all access in one file, including vhosts in the normal access.log insted of seperatly ?
[17:05] <ali1234> yes
[17:05] <ali1234> there is a config line to specify log file
[17:05] <brobostigon> ali1234: including vhosts everything in one single file?
[17:06] <brobostigon> ali1234: let me look.
[17:07] <BigRedS> brobostigon: yeah CustomLog /path/to/log Combined
[17:07] <BigRedS> replace 'Combined' with the format you want
[17:07] <BigRedS> or just don't make that config anywhere and it all goes to /var/log/apache2/other-vhosts-access-log
[17:07] <BigRedS> or similar
[17:07] <ali1234> yeah no idea what the defaults are
[17:07] <BigRedS> it *doesn't* now all default to /var/log/apache2/access.lg
[17:07] <BigRedS> that's only 000-default now, by default
[17:07] <ali1234> i use that because i wanted separate logs for each vhost
[17:08] <ali1234> i dunno why you would want anything else tbh
[17:08] <BigRedS> we've a few people who have different vhosts that share logs
[17:08] <BigRedS> mobile and non-mobile sites and suchlike
[17:08] <BigRedS> some people do want crazy things
[17:09] <BigRedS> the other-vhosts log is in a funny, non-Combined, format, though. Each line is prefixed with ServerName:port-
[17:09] <BigRedS> (as in the server name and the port, not that literal string)
[17:09] <brobostigon> there is a customlog line already there.
[17:10] <BigRedS> if you remove it then your logs will go to the default log
[17:10] <BigRedS> or you could point it at teh default log
[17:10] <brobostigon> access.log which is what it already does.
[17:11] <brobostigon> BigRedS: so if i specify the normal access.log in that line, it wont clash, and webaliser will be able to interpret the different vhosts?
[17:11] <BigRedS> I don't know about webalizer, but Apache will be happy
[17:12] <brobostigon> BigRedS: it just need to understand the different paths, ie, specified within said log.
[17:12] <brobostigon> that they went to, ie, accessed.
[17:13] <BigRedS> then it should be okay
[17:13] <brobostigon> ok,
[17:13] <BigRedS> it wont be able to discern between teh vhosts, though
[17:13] <BigRedS> they'll all be in one graph
[17:13] <brobostigon> ok, that isnt a solution then.
[17:14] <BigRedS> what's teh actual problem you're trying to solve?
[17:15] <brobostigon> BigRedS: webaliser can only interpret from one single log file, however i want it to include details of access of my vhosts, which apache returns to a seperate access log.
[17:15] <BigRedS> so run it once against each log?
[17:15] <BigRedS> have one log per vhost, and one cron job or whatever for each
[17:16] <brobostigon> BigRedS: thus, there will be sperate log output files, to read, which i wanted to avoid, and have it all in one.
[17:17] <BigRedS> well, usual is to have Documentroot /home/user/public_html and their logs in /home/user/logs/access_log
[17:17] <BigRedS> but you can stick them wherever you like
[17:17] <BigRedS> just use CustomLog <path> and that's where they'll go
[17:17] <BigRedS> (make sure the dir exists or Apache will silently fail to start)
[17:17] <BigRedS> also, worth adding whatever path you use to /etc/logrotate.d/apache so you don't run out of disk space
[17:18] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i have docroot in /var/www and logroot in /var/log/apache2/
[17:18] <BigRedS> for one vhost; didn't you want to have per-vhost logging?
[17:18] <BigRedS> where are your vhosts' docroots?
[17:19] <brobostigon> BigRedS: it seems to have all on its own, put all vhost logs, into one seperate file.
[17:19] <BigRedS> still, it really doesn't matter. /var/log/apache2/<sitename>/access.log or /var/log/apache2/site.log
[17:19] <BigRedS> yes, that's the new default
[17:19] <brobostigon> BigRedS: there various levels inside /var/www
[17:20] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i mean, the folders the vhosts refer to are in /var/www/
[17:20] <BigRedS> okay, either way, Apache doesn't much care where you tell it to put its logs. It'll just do what you say. Make a directory and point it there.
[17:21] <brobostigon> ok.
[17:28] <brobostigon> BigRedS: thank you, i think i can work it out.
[17:31] <BigRedS> brobostigon: cool. no worries
[17:32] <BigRedS> I'll be around most of the evening if you have any problems
[17:38] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - that ending up in the channel header: "it is out!!"... beginning to smell a bit stale /!\
[17:39] <brobostigon> BigRedS: thank you, :)
[17:53]  * daubers is knackered
[17:56]  * BigRedS is disorientated
[17:57] <BigRedS> working on call; get jet-lag without the holiday
[18:05] <christel> hehe
[18:14] <christel> popey \o/
[18:42] <diplo> evening all
[18:46] <stgraber> non/win 40
[18:46] <stgraber> oops
[18:50] <bigcalm_laptop> Ello :)
[18:50] <christel> HELLOOOOO
[18:50]  * christel tickles bigcalm_laptop 
[18:50]  * bigcalm_laptop giggles and dreams of ale
[18:50] <christel> mmmale
[18:51] <popey> hey bigcalm_laptop
[18:52] <bigcalm_laptop> Ello popey :)
[19:00] <dwatkins> hooray, I have an mpd server running
[19:04] <popey> oooh, bbc2 and bbc hd, Engineering Giants.. ripping apart a jumbo
[19:05] <BigRedS> ooh
[19:05]  * BigRedS adds to get_iplayer list
[19:05] <BigRedS> that'll go in that directory of video files I never watch...
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> what did I miss? :)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> what are you adding? :)
 oooh, bbc2 and bbc hd, Engineering Giants.. ripping apart a jumbo
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> oooh
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: I just watched an old (1982) TV program about technology, and the newfangled 'satellite TV' which was technically still illegal to watch from the Netherlands
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> but they showed some decoded footage.. of your local airshow ;)
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://euscreen.eu/play.jsp?id=EUS_DE6CE7787CE047EDBA4BABC79BB9D344 from around  3:16
[19:10] <popey> hah
[19:32] <SuperEngineer> time to be a kid again - shrek coming up on Ch4
[19:33] <SuperEngineer> woops Beeb3
[19:33] <SuperEngineer> [kiddy prank - just getting in the mood]
[19:33] <czajkowski> SuperEngineer: which one
[19:34] <SuperEngineer> first simply called "Shrek"
[19:34] <czajkowski> the best
[19:34] <czajkowski> still think nemo is one of my favourite
[19:35] <SuperEngineer> nah - no pussy cat with big eyes, no donkey - no shrek.... Shrek wins it for me
[19:49] <BigRedS> my servers are all shrek characters :)
[19:51] <BigRedS> q!
[19:51] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... is Donkey server the noisiest?
[19:52] <BigRedS> haha, donkey's the 'main' one, so yeah I suppose. Web, mail etc.
[19:52] <BigRedS> Puss and Harold are fileservers, Swamp's a Xen HV, Gingy's a VM for expermentation
[19:52] <BigRedS> There isn't actually a shrek any more
[19:53] <BigRedS> that was the original :( Massive thing, hence being called shrek
[19:53]  * czajkowski really hates top posting on oss lists/groups 
[19:53] <czajkowski> sigh
[19:53] <BigRedS> haha
[19:53] <BigRedS> you're one of *them*! :)
[19:53] <czajkowski> BigRedS: i am indeed, but yuo're also one of *them* >:(
[19:54] <BigRedS> am I?
[19:54] <BigRedS> I don't top-post, I just don't get annoyed when other people do
[19:54] <czajkowski> BigRedS: you top post :)
[19:54] <Seeker`> Because you see the answer before the question
[19:54] <Seeker`> Why is top posting bad?
[19:54] <czajkowski> because it's a pain when following a thread if you let a thread build up
[19:55] <BigRedS> Seeker`: I think you're preaching at the choir here
[19:56] <Seeker`> not preaching :P It really doesn't bother me either way. Just thought it was slightly humourous
[19:56] <BigRedS> Ahh, I see
[19:57] <christel> aaah.. glass of wine
[19:59]  * czajkowski has a chinese and watching Ms Congeniality2
[20:00] <jacobw> i need a new cloak
[20:05] <gord> TIL: they make lion bar cereal now...
[20:06] <christel> jacobw: a pink one?
[20:08] <jacobw> that'd be fabulous, darling :p
[20:16] <christel> :P
[20:17] <czajkowski> oh I've eaten too much
[20:18] <czajkowski> bleugh
[20:18] <christel> aww
[20:25]  * penguin42 offers czajkowski a waffer-thin mint
[21:39] <brobostigon> could you create a sub-sub-domain, pointting at a apache vhost?
[21:49] <gord> iirc anything before the first dot is just a unique subdomain, so foo.bar.com and foo.baz.bar.com are basically the same thing
[23:14] <you-siry> hello
[23:14] <you-siry> :)
[23:14] <you-siry> i go to london
[23:15] <you-siry> very excited:)
[23:20]  * penguin42 only goes down to london very occasionally - I quite like it, I bet it's going to be busy in the next few weeks
[23:28] <you-siry> first for me ^_^
[23:44] <you-siry> i go for olympics?
[23:44] <you-siry> :)