[00:31] <famelico> hi
[00:32] <famelico> people im looking for Ubuntu Studio 9.10, the one that has the realtime kernel
[00:32] <famelico> can you give me an still-active link in order to download it ?
[00:32] <famelico> thanks
[00:39] <ailo> famelico: Try puredyne
[00:39] <ailo> Same kernel
[00:40] <ailo> based on Ubuntu 9.10
[00:40] <famelico> thx for your response
[00:40] <famelico> i tried
[00:40] <famelico> but cant install to my hard disk
[00:40] <ailo> Why is that?
[00:40] <famelico> and the ramdisk is not the best for my older machine
[00:40] <ailo> And why do you need the realtime kernel?
[00:41] <famelico> i installed it but didnt work on real time
[00:41] <famelico> i need it for live audio tasks
[00:41] <famelico> i play on hexter whith my midi controller
[00:41] <ailo> I don't understand. You installed puredyne, or you didn't?
[00:41] <famelico> yes i did
[00:42] <ailo> So, what was the problem?
[00:42] <famelico> but didnt work (once installed on my hard disk) on real time
[00:42] <famelico> just sucked
[00:42] <ailo> famelico: It's the exact same kernel, anyway
[00:43] <ailo> famelico: If there is a problem with realtime privilege, you should check that first
[00:43] <famelico> okok!
[00:43] <famelico> can you give some advices in order to set it properly on ubuntu?
[00:43] <famelico> i used to have lubuntu
[00:43] <famelico> and once i could put the real time to work
[00:44] <famelico> but a week ago it screwed up
[00:44] <ailo> famelico: Two things. 1. User must be in audio group 2. There needs to be a file that gives Audio group realtime privilege
[00:44] <famelico> yes!
[00:44] <famelico> the file is /etc/security/limits.conf
[00:44] <famelico> but didnt work for me!
[00:45] <famelico> is there any other thing?
[00:45] <ailo> That was the old file, can't remember if it was still used
[00:45] <famelico> oh!
[00:45] <ailo> Either /etc/security/limits.conf, or /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[00:45] <ailo> Not both
[00:45] <famelico> okok
[00:46] <ailo> That's all you need. It will work after rebooting
[00:46] <famelico> OKOK!
[00:46] <famelico> i 'll try again!
[00:46] <famelico> thanks!
[00:46] <ailo> I found puredyne very good for older machines
[00:46] <famelico> i ll stay conline
[00:47] <famelico> yes yes! is very good booting it live
[00:47] <famelico> but in live mode it takes me 256 mb ram for a virtual disk
[00:48] <famelico> and i have not much ram
[01:48] <BlackBass> Hello, quick question, as a matter of preferance, LMMS or Ardour?
[01:59] <ailo> BlackBass: Ardoud is greate for multichannel recording, mixing and mastering, while LMMS is probably more suited if you like soft synths, etc
[01:59] <ailo> BlackBass: There are also, qtractor, rosegarden, Hydrogen (great for using as a drum machine), etc
[02:00] <BlackBass> I'm moving from using FL Studio on windows to Linux, so I'm basically looking for an equivalent to that
[02:01] <BlackBass> Basically, an all around sequencer/synthesizer
[02:03] <ailo> BlackBass: Don't think you'll find something equivalent. You'll probably want to use Hydrogen for drums anyway. It has it's own tracker that you can sync with the other programs
[02:03] <ailo> BlackBass: As for the rest, just look around to find which suits you best
[02:03] <ailo> You can always sync many sequencers using jack transport
[02:51] <famelico> hi
[02:51] <famelico> I installed lubuntu and put the audio configuration
[02:51] <famelico> with an rt kernel
[02:51] <famelico> and without
[02:51] <famelico> but i keep getting xruns
[02:52] <ailo> famelico: Does jack complain that it can't lock down memory, etc?
[02:52] <famelico> nonono
[02:52] <ailo> famelico: So, you have realtime privilege
[02:53] <famelico> yes!
[02:53] <ailo> famelico: What setting are you using?
[02:53] <ailo> famelico: frames/buffer
[02:53] <famelico> 128 frames
[02:53] <famelico> 2 periods buffer
[02:53] <famelico> and 960000 khz
[02:53] <ailo> famelico: That should work, even on older machines
[02:53] <famelico> yes
[02:53] <ailo> Ah, but try 256 then
[02:53] <famelico> but im getting xruns
[02:54] <famelico> xruns i didnt used to have
[02:54] <ailo> 96000 will give you 1/2 latency compared to 441000
[02:54] <famelico> i dont know what did i touch a week ago
[02:54] <famelico> i used to work on 32 frames
[02:54] <famelico> and no xruns
[02:54] <famelico> but now . . . its awfull
[02:55] <ailo> famelico: What version of Lubuntu?
[02:55] <famelico> the last one
[02:55] <ailo> famelico: Which kernel?
[02:55] <famelico> kernel 3.02
[02:55] <ailo> realtime, or -lowlatency?
[02:55] <famelico> and my kernel is 3.14-rt
[02:55] <famelico> 3.02 is the generic
[02:55] <ailo> You can't get good performance with the generic anyway
[02:56] <famelico> nonono
[02:56] <ailo> famelico: Try linux-lowlatency
[02:56] <famelico> nonono
[02:56] <famelico> dont work
[02:56] <famelico> i tried it on tango studio
[02:56] <ailo> What do you mean, don't work?
[02:56] <ailo> linux-lowlatency is the standard kernel for Ubuntu Studio
[02:56] <famelico> i dont get xruns but i get a fuzzy sound
[02:56] <ailo> It's mostly as good as -realtime
[02:57] <ailo> That's not because of the kernel
[02:57] <ailo> Try it
[02:57] <ailo> Also, I don't know Tango Studio
[02:57] <ailo> -lowlatency is specifically for Ubuntu Studio
[02:57] <famelico> there's some tweaking im missing
[02:57] <famelico> for the rt
[02:58] <ailo> famelico: Maybe you need rtirc script?
[02:58] <ailo> famelico: You need to start with boot parameter "threadirqs" for it to work
[02:58] <ailo> famelico: -lowlatency has this builtin
[02:58] <famelico> the last time i didnt use it and it work perfectly
[02:58] <ailo> Ok
[02:58] <famelico> i real about ir
[02:58] <famelico> i read about it
[02:59] <famelico> i dont think i need it
[02:59] <ailo> It's only needed if you have irq problems
[02:59] <famelico> okok nono not my problem
[02:59] <ailo> I can't imagine any tweaking other than that
[02:59] <famelico> can i pass to you the messages from my jackd?
[03:00] <famelico> the console messages
[03:00] <ailo> famelico: Please do try -lowlatency. Also, kernels older than 2.6.39 are a bit slower
[03:00] <famelico> maybe you can figure what if the problem!
[03:00] <ailo> famelico: Sure, paste it
[03:00] <famelico> thanks
[03:00] <famelico> im sending it to you!
[03:00] <famelico> just a minute!
[03:02] <famelico> here the console says (when starting Lubuntu) thah my kernel need app armor 2.4 compatibility patch
[03:05] <famelico> pastebin.com/4QG3Anft
[03:06] <ailo> famelico: Do you use the pulseaudio-module-jack?
[03:07] <famelico> NONO
[03:07] <famelico> im using ALSA
[03:07] <ailo> lubuntu doesn't have pulseaudio, or you uninstalled it?
[03:08] <famelico> no i didnt use pulseaudio. im using Lubuntu with alsa
[03:09] <ailo> famelico: You could ask about the jack log on #jack
[03:09] <famelico> okok
[03:10] <ailo> famelico: Still, I was just wondering, does Lubuntu come with pulseaudio preinstalled, or you removed it?
[03:10] <ailo> I mean, if so, did you remove it..
[03:11] <ailo> I think most Ubuntu systems use pulseaudio by default these days
[03:11] <ailo> Even Debian
[03:12] <famelico> nonoon
[03:12] <famelico> is alsa what ubuntu uses
[03:12] <famelico> i have lubuntu and ubuntu
[03:12] <famelico> always i see alsa
[03:12] <ailo> famelico: Ubuntu uses pulseaudio for it desktop system. Not alsa
[03:13] <ailo> I'm not talking about jack settings now
[03:13] <ailo> famelico: Do you see pulseaudio in qjackctl "Connect" when you start jackd?
[03:14] <famelico> nono
[03:18] <famelico> do you know any other distro for audio with the rt kernel?
[03:18] <famelico> i cant put this to work
[03:18] <ailo> famelico: Did you try -lowlatency?
[03:18] <ailo> famelico: I really recommend you to try it
[03:18] <ailo> Also, I don't think you will find a rt kernel older than 2.6.39 that is better, or much better
[03:19] <ailo> famelico: Most of rt is in generic already
[03:19] <ailo> famelico: But, to make use of it, you need to configure it for the build
[03:19] <ailo> famelico: hence = -lowlatency
[03:20] <famelico> ok
[03:20] <famelico> ill try
[03:21] <famelico>  but now i dont have the time to compile the kernel anyway
[03:29] <ailo> famelico: You don't need to compile. Just install it
[03:29] <ailo> famelico: linux-lowlatency
[03:40] <ailo> famelico: Here's a simple guide on building an older -lowlatency for preference
[03:40] <ailo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildOldLowlatency
[19:45] <studio-user703> hola
[19:45] <studio-user703> alguien habla español?
[19:46] <Unit193> !es
[19:47] <studio-user703> gracias soy nuevo y se siente bien que alguien conteste y de indicaciones muchas gracias
[22:56] <echonize> Hello folks!
[22:57] <echonize> Any Ableton guys here?
[23:08] <holstein> im aware of ableton, and have used it years ago... i dont think they make a linux version though
[23:12] <echonize> I just tried to run Live 8.2.7 with Wine, worked quite well despite the small graphical bugs.
[23:12] <echonize> I also tested Audiomulch 2 with Wine, worked really well without bugs for me.
[23:12] <holstein> cool.. maybe check and/or report at wineHQ
[23:13] <holstein> i personally use and support native software
[23:13] <echonize> I would too, but they lack some features.
[23:13] <echonize> Its just that ive used to quite heavy apps, like Cubase for example.
[23:14] <holstein> what features?
[23:14] <holstein> they are open, add the features
[23:14] <holstein> or request them...
[23:14] <echonize> I wish i knew how to code stuff.
[23:14] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians when you get a chance.. lots of folks there making music
[23:15] <echonize> Okay.