[01:45] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We can build kpythonluginfactory for python3 is we need to.
[01:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: u around?
[01:59] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah
[02:00] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: will ping you on gtalk in a bit, please reply some 10 seconds after that
[02:00] <JontheEchidna> k
[02:37]  * apachelogger wonders what to do now
[02:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: Apparently fix kimpanel (reading kubuntu-devel)
[02:50] <apachelogger> yeah
[02:50] <apachelogger> you know
[02:50] <apachelogger> that made me remeber
[02:50] <apachelogger> I want to remove crap no one maintains/uses on the dev team
[02:51] <apachelogger> among it the kim stuff
[02:51] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you want to kpythonpluginfactory for python3, let me know.
[02:51] <apachelogger> we cannot provide reasonable quality in the long run -> throw it out
[02:51] <apachelogger> same goes for accessibility FWIW
[02:51] <apachelogger> (apps that is)
[02:51] <ScottK> We sort of need some kind of IM capability though.
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: that'd be appreciated
[02:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: no we do not if the quality is shit and it breaks ever so often
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: would the .so have the same name? (I think it has to be different)
[02:52] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Dunno yet.  Either I'll have to rename it or install it somewhere odd.
[02:52] <ScottK> That's why I didn't do it originally when I added the Python3 bits.
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> right now the .desktop file specifies:
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> X-KDE-Library=kpythonpluginfactory
[02:53] <ScottK> I'll try and get it in the next day or so.
[02:53] <ScottK> It may take some alternatives magic.
[02:54] <ScottK> If fact, I think that's just the way to deal with it.
[02:55] <ScottK> kpythonpluginfactory.so.python and kpythonpluginfactory.so.python3 as alternatives for kpythonpluginfactory.so.
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> doesn't that mean you could have only python2 kpythonplugins or only python3 ones?
[02:55] <ScottK> Is the factory used at build time or run time?
[02:55] <apachelogger> x-kde-library ought to take care of the alternation
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> runtime
[02:55] <ScottK> Then it would.
[02:56] <ScottK> That's a problem.
[02:56] <apachelogger> I don't think you can runtime the plugin from within python code
[02:56] <apachelogger> as the factory is in fact used by c++ components
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[02:56] <apachelogger> c++ -> factory -> python
[02:56] <apachelogger> so x-kde-library is the only thing that needs to handle things here
[02:57] <apachelogger> i.e. you can have both so's installed kpythonpluginfactory and kpython3pluginfactory
[02:57] <apachelogger> the app/desktop file opts towards either
[02:57] <ScottK> I can probably do that.
[02:57] <ScottK> It's just renaming the .so in the python 3 build.
[02:57] <ScottK> BBIAB
[02:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: You might use the mail in kubuntu-devel to invite the poster to be our IM guy.
[08:16] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Kind of. Of course you can find an apartment but the key is the distance to the univeristy
[08:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I guess no self-respecting university student will miss the opportunity to sleep more
[08:17] <Quintasan> Therefore the closer to the university your apartments is located the better :P
[08:17] <jussi> Quintasan: on campus! :D
[08:18] <Quintasan> jussi: Oh, no, unless you don't care if you pass the course :P
[08:18] <Quintasan> you don't pass*
[08:18] <Quintasan> "Oh, is there any party in here?"
[08:18] <Quintasan> "No."
[08:19] <Quintasan> *procurs $ALCOHOL form pocket*
[08:19] <Quintasan> "Now there is."
[08:20] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Also, one must take costs into consideration, I eat a ton of food and I can't pay very much for the apartment itself
[08:20] <Quintasan> I think I found the middleground
[08:20] <Quintasan> 15 minutes from the university
[08:20] <Quintasan> Kinda cheap
[08:20] <Quintasan> And there are bars nearby
[08:21] <Quintasan> Splendid.
[08:21] <Quintasan> jussi: You are going to code my Python assignments, k? :P
[08:21] <Quintasan> Oh while we are at it
[08:21]  * Quintasan throws pythons at apachelogger_
[08:31] <Riddell> Python assignments?  sounds like a good university
[08:31] <Riddell> get them to make some pyKDE assignments
[08:33]  * apachelogger_ throws perfect GL painted prn at Quintasan
[11:17] <Riddell> testers needed for akonadi-facebook in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[11:17] <Riddell> !testres
[11:17] <Riddell> !testers
[12:51] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: ping
[13:43] <shadeslayer> seems like he went to sleep
[13:43] <shadeslayer> no skype call today then
[13:52] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: bleh, no, actually a friend came to visit
[13:52] <apachelogger_> seems rude to be calling around the world while having a guest :P
[13:53] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: writing works tho :P
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: heh, I'd rather talk properly, same time tomorrow?
[14:14] <apachelogger_> yah
[14:14] <shadeslayer> cool
[14:15] <shadeslayer> plus, Will would have replied by then as well
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger_: you might be able to answer http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.pyqt-pykde/24333
[14:25] <apachelogger_> "One does not use Phonon VLC directly, but Phonon. To that extend you'd simply create your Phonon mediagraph and be done with it. All that's left is throwing all the dlls in an appropriate path structure."
[14:40] <jtechidna> getting/throwing those dlls in the right path is the hard part
[14:41] <jtechidna> or at least, a royal pain in the arse
[15:25] <Riddell> sreich: what's your opinion on including sal-qml in kubuntu?
[15:38] <highvoltage> Darkwing: hey there
[15:38] <ScottK> Riddell: As an alternative to the existing sal in plasma-netbook or is this something else?
[15:39] <highvoltage> Darkwing: we finally got our zatab tablets for Edubuntu :)
[15:40] <highvoltage> Darkwing: but we need a file from the kubuntu image to figure out how to boot it, where could we get the kubuntu image?
[15:40] <Riddell> ScottK: it's an alternative to kickoff kmenu now
[15:40] <ScottK> Oh.
[15:48] <Riddell> ScottK: akonadi-facebook in new queue should you be looking for it
[15:48] <ScottK> OK.  I'll try to have a look in  a bit.
[15:58] <inetpro> good evening
[15:58] <inetpro> highvoltage: remember we have our monthly meeting at #ubuntu-za this evening
[16:01] <highvoltage> inetpro: I won't make it, I slept around 2.5 hours of the last 34 or so
[16:02] <inetpro> highvoltage: eish! np
[16:02] <inetpro> why did you not sleep?
[16:08] <highvoltage> inetpro: traveling / working
[16:09] <highvoltage> (going to take a nap in around 30 minutes, I'm really hungry too, going to eat first)
[16:13] <inetpro> highvoltage: enjoy your meal and have a good rest
[16:49] <BluesKaj> what is this , twitter ? :)
[16:57] <littlegirl> Hey there, I'm trying to close out the https://launchpad.net/bugs/852519 bug, but I'm running into some difficulty. The welcome.xml file is 0 bytes: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/oneiric/view/head:/docs/welcome/C/welcome.xml but in order to close the bug properly, I need to edit it and change something. How do I get it back? 
[17:29] <tsimpson> littlegirl: you seem to be looking at the wrong branch, you want lp:ubuntu/kubuntu-docs ( https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/quantal/kubuntu-docs/quantal )
[17:29] <tsimpson> though, looking at the bzr log, I guess you figured that out
[17:32] <littlegirl> No, I'm fixing an old bug from Oneiric. (:
[17:33] <littlegirl> It looks like the about.xml and welcome.xml documents got deleted and then put back in Precise. I'll see if I can revert them just so that that bug can be correctly closed, since the Oneiric documents don't validate as a result.
[17:33] <littlegirl> tsimpson: This is on request by the translation team. (:
[17:37] <tsimpson> littlegirl: it seems to have been removed in revision 248, so grab 247 (or earlier) and you should get the content
[17:38] <littlegirl> Yep! Gosh, you're fast. I don't see any comments stating that it was done for a reason, and since they got put back in the next release, I'll go ahead and put them back in the Oneiric docs. (:
[17:40] <tsimpson> there's a "View changes to this file" link that gives you all the revisions the file was modified, I used that :)
[17:43] <littlegirl> Oh, slick! I didn't even notice that. I was going through them one revision at a time. (:
[20:45] <littlegirl> Is there a website that lists the installed software in each release?
[20:50] <tsimpson> littlegirl: I guess http://packages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-desktop is the closest you'll get to that
[20:51] <littlegirl> tsimpson: Yeah, thanks, that lists all of them - installed or not. I'll bet there's a page somewhere that lists exactly what's in each one, but in a little while I'll have the CD and I'll know. (:L
[20:51] <tsimpson> well recommends are installed by default
[20:54] <ScottK> littlegirl: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-i386.manifest is at least a very close approximation.  That's what we ship in the live FS on the ISO and IIRC that all gets installed.
[20:56] <littlegirl> ScottK: Nice, thanks!
[20:57] <littlegirl> Now I have a problem, though. That file doesn't mention kino or kdenlive, and I'm trying to close a bug that wants all references to kino to be replaced with kdenlive. I can't find out whether that should happen or not, and if kdenlive doesn't exist in Quantal, what does Quantal use?
[20:57] <yofel> almost all of that, the live FS also includes Ubiquity and some utilities that you might need (filesystem stuff, etc.) which don't end up on the installation. That's probably the best list you'll find
[20:58] <yofel> littlegirl: neither of them is installed by default
[20:58] <yofel> and they're both in the archive
[20:58] <ScottK> littlegirl: Neither of them are installed by default.
[20:58] <littlegirl> yofel: Ah, that explains that. Should users not use kino and should all references be to kdenlive?
[20:59] <ScottK> littlegirl: In a terminal (konsole) you can type rmadison $PACKAGE (e.g. rmadison kdenlive) to see what versions of what package are in which release.
[21:00] <yofel> littlegirl: for sake of KDE software I would prefer kdenlive
[21:00] <littlegirl> ScottK: Oh, cool, I love learning little tricks like that. (:
[21:01] <ScottK> And I agree with yofel.
[21:01] <littlegirl> Well, my problem is that I was asked to close out this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/852519 and I got all the documentation stuff done except for that comment in the first entry from the initial bug reporter who would like kino to be replaced with kdenlive.
[21:03] <littlegirl> I put the Oneiric kubuntu-docs directory, the Precise kubuntu-docs directory, and Quantal kubuntu-docs directory and did a recursive grep for Kino, kino, kdenlive, and Kdenlive, and the kino searches turned up gobs of hits, and there were none for either of the kdenlive searches. It would be a huge job to change them in all three releases, and since one of the goals I have for Quantal is to verify the accuracy (which includes 
[21:03] <littlegirl> updating any of its information to make it current), I'm wondering whether that particular wish shouldn't be granted in that bug.
[21:05] <littlegirl> That bug report is technically three separate bugs. (:
[21:06] <yofel> I'm not sure if we should change the documentation defaults post-release. (I'm not a doc writer though)
[21:06] <littlegirl> yofel: Someone on the translation team asked me to close out the bug, and when I grabbed the Oneiric kubuntu-docs, they wouldn't validate, so they needed to be fixed anyway.
[21:07] <littlegirl> Should I not have done that?
[21:07] <yofel> not my field of expertise I fear, best ask the other doc folks
[21:10] <littlegirl> I had talked to LoT and mdeslaur in #ubuntu-docs and they told me how to go about closing the bug, and LoT said he will review what I did and change the status of the bug this evening. I'm just a little big lost because I don't know exactly how to handle a messy bug. (: 
[21:11] <littlegirl> I think I'll comment on what I've done on the bug and make it known that not everything that was wished for was accomplished, and leave it to the original bug reporter (or anyone else) to file a new bug on the one thing that I didn't finish. (:
[21:14] <ScottK> yofel: I think 'post-release' means a lot less for docs than packages.  I think it's fine.
[21:14] <yofel> ok
[21:30] <Riddell> yay, bug 1023954 approved
[21:41] <littlegirl> Congratulations. (:
[21:49] <littlegirl> Is Quantal considered "the unstable release" or is there a better way to refer to it in comparison to "the stable release" for the LTS?
[22:30] <tsimpson> littlegirl: quantal is the development version, it's considered stable once released
[22:30] <littlegirl> tsimpson: Ah, that sounds a bit better, thanks. (:
[23:58] <ScottK> "You do not have any other presence controls active (a Presence widget for example). Do you want to stay online or would you rather go offline?"
[23:58] <ScottK> So I've got two IM windows open, but I can't close the main one?
[23:59] <ScottK> That would be another regression relative to Kopete.