[00:02] <kanliot> maybe i already have the gnome stuff then
[00:02] <kanliot> i looked and it just looked like some python libraries
[00:02] <kanliot> sorry i can't help more
[00:05] <felichas> looks like you do, yes. I'm pretty sure libs get loaded whenever you use the program that needs them, and get unloaded after using them, but I wanted to double check. Thanks anyway.
[00:07] <felichas> Question 2: mplayer will not play any video. From what I read, it is a compilation issue with older CPUs. Do you know how to solve it? I would like to avoid installing vlc for the same reason above: memory footprint.
[00:07] <kanliot> yeah it's in the release notes
[00:09] <kanliot> gnome-mplayer may crash on some specific hardware (Pentium 3 or Pentium 4). Installing the package mplayer should work-around the problem. (974125)
[00:09] <kanliot> according to the release notes
[00:09] <felichas> lol, I search all the faqs and workarounds, but didn't check the release notes
[00:09] <felichas> thanks a lot again
[00:10] <kanliot> np :)
[00:10] <kanliot> now if it actually works
[00:27] <felichas> It did work for me :)
[00:27] <silverarrow> what?
[00:27] <silverarrow> I'm trying activate wireless without access to modem
[00:28] <silverarrow> which is tricky
[00:28] <silverarrow> watching miss marple
[00:29] <kanliot> i'd find a library where i can plug in
[00:30] <silverarrow> everything is so restricted here
[00:30] <silverarrow> there is cafe though
[00:30] <silverarrow> and guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#b43_-_No_Internet_access
[00:31] <silverarrow> apparently wireless drivers are on the cd
[00:31] <kanliot> if you have a spare wireless router? anyhow just a thought
[00:32] <silverarrow> hmm
[00:33] <silverarrow> not sure
[00:33] <silverarrow> router is on the second floor
[00:34] <silverarrow> I'm sharing wireless, and they are on holiday
[00:34] <silverarrow> weird situation
[00:34] <silverarrow> or internet really
[00:36] <silverarrow> kanliot are you clever with powerpc?
[00:36] <kanliot> no
[00:38] <silverarrow> i need som powerpc cleverness
[00:39] <silverarrow> to  make mplayer gecko stream in browser
[00:39] <silverarrow> and gnash
[00:39] <silverarrow> they really should work
[01:39] <ram_> Cannot create a new file on the desktop ?
[01:40] <kanliot>  what kind of menu do you get when you right-click?
[01:47] <ram_> When i right click I get Desktop Preferences
[01:56] <kanliot> ram_, do you get anything else besides desktop prefs?
[02:00] <ram_> I am sorry this is lubuntu
[02:00] <ram_> Openbox lxde
[02:11] <kanliot> ram_,  i don't understand what menu you are seeing
[02:11] <kanliot> is the the openbox menu?
[02:12] <ram_> Yes
[02:13] <kanliot> you can switch back to the pcmanfm menu. is that what you would like?
[04:39] <aaas> pcmanfm computer:/// and  network://// return 'operation not supported'
[14:07] <tester> hey -- i'm finding something weird
[14:07] <kanliot> people find me wierd
[14:07] <tester> I downloaded the i386 alternate iso from cdimage, which says its size is 681 MB
[14:08] <tester> but in Nautilus, the size looks like 714 MB
[14:08] <tester> however, the checksum matches the one on cd image
[14:08] <tester> what's going on??
[14:08] <kanliot> does it say 713 mb or 71400000000
[14:08] <tester> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[14:09] <tester> kanliot, nautilus says 714.4
[14:09] <kanliot> is it bytes or MB?
[14:09] <kanliot> also FYI a kb is 1024 bytes
[14:10] <tester> 714.4 MB (714,387,456 bytes)
[14:11] <kanliot> if you convert bytes to megabytes by dividing by 1024*1024 i think it's similar
[14:11] <tester> 681 is in "M"
[14:14] <tester> yeah i see now
[14:14] <tester> cdimage gives it in true MBytes
[14:14] <tester> while nautilus gives "MB" as bytes/1000/1000
[14:15] <kanliot> :)
[16:42] <taoseeker> hi
[16:42] <taoseeker> does anyone know a fix for wirless activation ?
[16:43] <taoseeker> I have installed, done updates, rebooted, added the two restricted packages
[16:43] <taoseeker> which worked fine last time
[16:43] <taoseeker> but not this time
[16:45] <taoseeker> I`m in 12.04
[16:45] <taoseeker> in the powerpc build
[20:01] <taoseeker> are lubuntu up to date with the new pepper plugin api
[20:01] <taoseeker> ?
[21:16] <Casey> hi
[21:17] <Casey> is there a different  between lubuntu and reguler ubuntu that would keep a script form running?
[21:21] <Unit193> Depends on the script, if the script needs a Gnome function/program or an additional program you have yet to install, it could.
[21:22] <Casey> can you look at a script for me
[21:23] <Casey> i'm trying to get my ups software to send a alert email if the power goes off but it doesn't seem to want to run the email script
[21:23] <Unit193> Sure, not saying I'll be able to help, but pastebin.com
[21:23] <Casey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1095590/
[21:23] <Unit193> Is the script marked executable?
[21:24] <Casey> i'm pretty sure i give it 777 primission
[21:26] <Unit193> What happens if you just run it?
[21:26] <Casey> um well let me try real quick
[21:26] <Casey> whats the best way of runnig it?
[21:27] <Unit193> Seems the script is part of a package, you may need a program that provides the "mail" command as well as whatever package this came with.
[21:27] <Casey> i'm useing ssmtp
[21:28] <taoseeker> do you guys update firefox and pidgin?
[21:28] <Casey> but you see i have it to make a log file when it runs dut it doesn't
[21:28] <taoseeker> pidgin crashes majorly
[21:29] <Casey> and i had a older version runnig on ubuntu but i'm upgrading
[21:30] <silverarrow> to lubuntu or ubuntu?
[21:30] <Casey> unbuntu but i'm grading the software and using lubuntu now
[21:30] <Casey> upgrading
[21:42] <Casey> you see a problem?
[21:42] <silverarrow> does anyone use gnash in lubuntu?
[21:54] <Casey> ok i'm getting somewhere
[21:54] <silverarrow> what are you working on Casey ?
[21:55] <Casey> try to get a scripot to run
[21:55] <Casey> i'm trying to get my ups software to send a alert email if the power goes off but it doesn't seem to want to run the email script
[22:02] <silverarrow> i see
[22:02] <silverarrow> brb restart
[22:06] <bennypr0fane> hello, how can I tell which is my sound server? I have Lubuntu 12.04
[22:06] <bennypr0fane> I can't change any audio settings
[22:09] <bennypr0fane> pulse audio is not installed. which is the default audio device on Lubuntu?
[22:10] <bennypr0fane> I'm looking into this because I don't get chat notification sounds in the browser, but playing audio files locally works
[22:10] <silverarrow>   lubuntu has alsamixer though
[22:11] <silverarrow> perhaps there is a config for chat sounds?
[22:11] <bennypr0fane> there is, i already made sure they're enabled
[22:12] <bennypr0fane> how can i make sure alsamixer is installed?
[22:12] <silverarrow> you just type alsamixer in terminal
[22:12] <silverarrow> I had to fuzz a lot to make it appear though in 12.04 powerpc iso
[22:13] <bennypr0fane> yep, there it is
[22:13] <silverarrow> i and to reinstall packages and run a sudo blaclist command and restart
[22:14] <silverarrow> is there any support for sylpheed ?
[22:14] <silverarrow> I have tried for days to set up this thing
[22:14] <silverarrow> major hassle
[22:14] <silverarrow> I have followed wikis, for hotmail accounts but I get no where
[22:15] <silverarrow> so no idea a out sylpheed?
[22:18] <wxl> i've never used it with hotmail but gmail's pretty easy
[22:19] <wxl> get a gmail account XD
[22:19] <wxl> seriously tho there is a sylpheed channel somewhere
[22:20] <Casey> how do i pasta in xterm?
[22:20] <wxl> ctrl-shift-v works in lxterm
[22:21] <wxl> middle mouse click :/
[22:21] <wxl> ^ for xterm
[22:23] <wxl> silverarrow: /join #claws - it's basically teh same as sylpheed
[22:29] <silverarrow> thanks wxl
[22:29] <silverarrow> I have gmail
[22:29] <silverarrow> too
[22:29] <silverarrow> but I sort of  stuck with the hotmail
[22:33] <Casey> ok i got the script to run
[22:34] <Casey> but it won't send the email
[22:34] <Casey> i think its a error in the script
[22:34] <Casey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1095751/
[22:40] <wxl> i don't have the patience to debug a script right now
[22:40] <wxl> s/patience/time/
[22:40] <wxl> sorry
[22:41] <wxl> not trying to be rude :)
[22:41] <wxl> but it doesnnnn't provide any output?
[22:44] <bennypr0fane> sorry, I was out f a while, my connection went down silverarrow did u say anything to me in the meantime?
[22:45] <silverarrow> I probably have, but cannot remmeber
[22:45] <silverarrow> I`ve had restarts, and plugin mess, and what not
[22:45] <silverarrow> I am having flash issues
[22:45] <bennypr0fane> you mean at the moment?
[22:46] <bennypr0fane> we were talking about audio server
[22:46] <silverarrow> oh yes,
[22:46] <bennypr0fane> can you tell me what's the difference between alsa and pulse audio?
[22:46] <silverarrow> my sound got sorted out thought, sort of
[22:46] <silverarrow> not really,
[22:47] <wxl> oh lord there's not an easy answer to that bennypr0fane
[22:47] <silverarrow> they seem both to be installed though
[22:47] <wxl> let's just say alsa is lightweight
[22:47] <wxl> i *THOUGHT* only alsa should be installed
[22:48] <wxl> yeah i don't have pa on 12.10
[22:48] <bennypr0fane> I don't have pulse audio installed atm
[22:48] <silverarrow> wxl, let me check
[22:48] <wxl> but there may be some software package you installed that had pa as a dependency
[22:48] <bennypr0fane> but it was on my last Ubuntu 10.04
[22:48] <wxl> pa usually serves as an interface to alsa (itself as a layer to oss)
[22:49] <wxl> yeah well ubuntu's not lubuntu
[22:49] <bennypr0fane> so, the 2 do not accomplish the same function?
[22:49] <wxl> more or less
[22:50] <wxl> if you're not doing anything sound like sound production or anything, you're fine with whatever you get
[22:50] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/221039
[22:50] <silverarrow> one packate at least
[22:50] <silverarrow> package
[22:51] <silverarrow> non istalled
[22:53] <wxl> good then you're both normal
[22:53] <bennypr0fane> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PulseAudio
[22:53] <wxl> alsa is good enough
[22:54] <bennypr0fane> this is lost on me
[22:54] <wxl> right
[22:54] <silverarrow> makes a really bad noise in alsa though
[22:54] <silverarrow> or perhaps it is this laptop
[22:54] <bennypr0fane> : "In a typical installation scenario under Linux, the user configures ALSA to use a virtual device provided by PulseAudio. Thus, applications using ALSA will output sound to PulseAudio, which then uses ALSA itself to access the real sound card. "
[22:54] <wxl> it could be lots of things but likely not the fact that you're using alsa, silverarrow
[22:54] <Casey> well how do i get the mail command to use ssmtp?
[22:55] <wxl> Casey: honestly i don't know but i do know that mail is relatively limited. might try using mutt.
[22:55] <wxl> bennypr0fane: do you really want to know?
[22:55] <Casey> i just need to send out emails
[22:55] <bennypr0fane> "PulseAudio is a sound server, a background process accepting sound input from one or more sources (processes or capture devices) and redirecting it to one or more sinks (sound cards, remote network PulseAudio servers, or other processes).
[22:55] <bennypr0fane> One of the goals of PulseAudio is to reroute all sound streams through it, including those from processes that attempt to directly access the hardware (like legacy OSS applications). PulseAudio achieves this by providing adapters to applications using other audio systems, like aRts and ESD."
[22:56] <bennypr0fane> do you guys get this?
[22:56]  * wxl does
[22:56] <Casey> ssmtp works fine just need to know how to get a script to send emails useing it
[22:56] <silverarrow> wxl, maybe there is config, or better sound card driver for alsa?
[22:56] <Casey> right now it uses the mail command
[22:56] <bennypr0fane> wxl I envy you
[22:57]  * wxl does sound production using OSS tools in Linux so ALSA/PulseAudio is the least concern
[22:57] <wxl> Casey: try mutt command
[22:58] <wxl> silverarrow: it's either the hardware or the driver. i think it's unlikely that it's the config. however, there is one. but alsa configuration is NOT easy.
[22:59]  * bennypr0fane wants to use a DJing application on his Lubuntu machine. installed DJplay but couldn't get ti to work, it wants JACK-something not there on the repos
[23:00] <wxl> get mixxx bennypr0fane !!!
[23:00] <bennypr0fane> what's mixx?
[23:00] <wxl> i <3 mixxx
[23:00] <wxl> best dj software out there
[23:00] <bennypr0fane> with 3 x'es?
[23:00] <wxl> yep
[23:00] <bennypr0fane> is it free?
[23:00] <wxl> yep
[23:00] <bennypr0fane> cool
[23:00] <wxl> and the devs are SUUUUUUUUUUUUUPER nice/helpful
[23:00] <Casey> don't have mutt
[23:01] <wxl> Casey: um. install it?
[23:01] <bennypr0fane> anyway, i do get 8Facebook-)chat notification sounds in chromium, but not in Opera
[23:01] <Casey> i got ssmtp it works fine i just need to get to script to use it
[23:01] <bennypr0fane> so system sound setting shouldn't be the problem
[23:02] <wxl> bennypr0fane: if you need help with it, i use it all the time. also i'd kind of avoid jack if i were you. jack is a wonderful thing but can be very confusing/complex to newcomers and you really don't have a NEED for it per se.
[23:02] <wxl> (jack is another audio server, but one that allows you to do all sorts of interesting routing betwen hardware and software)
[23:03] <bennypr0fane> and with mixxx, I'll be fine with my curretn setup?
[23:03] <wxl> you only need alsa
[23:03] <bennypr0fane> great
[23:03] <wxl> but it will also work with pulseaudio and jack
[23:03] <wxl> i think it even works with oss
[23:04] <wxl> so not to veer us too off topic but what do you dj?
[23:05] <bennypr0fane> the thing is, when DJing, you want to be able to mix 2 channels and pre-listen to your next track through the headphones.
[23:05] <wxl> no problem
[23:05] <bennypr0fane> I'm very unprofessional, purely a hobby thing
[23:05] <wxl> assuming you have two outputs
[23:05] <wxl> hardware outputs
[23:05] <bennypr0fane> which you will see in my next question
[23:05] <bennypr0fane> :
[23:05] <bennypr0fane> oh that's what i was gonna ask
[23:05] <bennypr0fane> :)
[23:06] <bennypr0fane> bcs I got just 1
[23:06] <wxl> this is one way to do it http://store.griffintechnology.com/imic
[23:06] <bennypr0fane> is it possible with just one?
[23:06] <wxl> there are probably other less expensive options
[23:06] <wxl> hahah
[23:06] <wxl> found one for $4!
[23:07] <wxl> http://hde.store.buy.com/p/2-channel-usb-2-0-external-digital-sound-adapter-plug-in-headphones/224435590.html
[23:07] <bennypr0fane> wow
[23:07] <bennypr0fane> I didn't think it was that easy
[23:07] <wxl> note the mic hookup too
[23:07] <wxl> you can make use of that for voiceovers
[23:07] <bennypr0fane> magical usb
[23:07] <wxl> tho i use a usb mic
[23:08] <wxl> btw there are many, many great dj's who started out just playing around as a hobby
[23:08] <bennypr0fane> is a built-in soundcard somehow superior to adding outputs via usb?
[23:08] <wxl> depends
[23:08] <wxl> but for your purposes it shouldn't matter
[23:09] <wxl> especially given that is really just for your headphones
[23:09] <wxl> btw #mixxx is a great place to talk dj
[23:09]  * wxl is working on putting together a skin for mixxx that has four decks on it, if that gives you any sense of things
[23:10] <bennypr0fane> it's great to meet someone who actually knows about this kind of stuff. I've been meaning to find out if Open Source stuff matches up to the Apple thingies you see everyone use
[23:10] <wxl> well there's some things linux doesn't have
[23:10] <wxl> but there's MANY things os x doesn't
[23:11] <wxl> cuz after all os x = bsd = unix and gnu's not unix!
[23:11] <wxl> (though there is a mac version of mixxx too)
[23:11] <bennypr0fane> I mean for instance, in terms of office applications, especially pdf, there's very limited choice in Linux, compared to MS
[23:12] <bennypr0fane> so I was afraid there might be the same situation with Audio processing tools
[23:12] <wxl> whatcha mean? to generate a pdf?
[23:12] <bennypr0fane> no, editing, working them
[23:12] <wxl> oh
[23:12] <wxl> inkscape works
[23:12] <bennypr0fane> pdfedit is the only Linux app can do it
[23:12] <wxl> ^^^
[23:12] <bennypr0fane> and it'S uggggly
[23:12] <bennypr0fane> inkscape
[23:12] <bennypr0fane> ?
[23:13] <wxl> technically it's a vector graphics program
[23:13] <wxl> super-gimp if you will XD
[23:13] <wxl> and it's not ugly ;)
[23:13] <bennypr0fane> ok, but that will work only if your pdf is actually a vector graphic
[23:14] <wxl> no, silly
[23:14] <wxl> pdfs ARE vector graphics
[23:14] <bennypr0fane> if it was made from text or simple jpeg, photo, can you still edit it wiht inkscape?
[23:14] <bennypr0fane> not sure about that, really
[23:14]  * wxl shrugs
[23:14] <wxl> well that's what i use when i want to edit a document and it works great
[23:15]  * bennypr0fane meant pdfedit is super ugly, win95 style
[23:15] <wxl> i knew what you meant
[23:16] <bennypr0fane> what I would need to edit mostly are scanned documents. My scanner can make them pdfs or jpegs, but I haven't found a single program will let me edit the text layer
[23:16] <wxl> inkscape
[23:16] <bennypr0fane> have you tried thaT?
[23:17] <wxl> 1614 < wxl:#lubuntu> well that's what i use when i want to edit a document and it works great
[23:17] <bennypr0fane> ok, cool, I'll give it a try
[23:17] <bennypr0fane> I think I've already come across it at some point, don't remember what did not work there
[23:18] <wxl> the university my wife goes to has the uncanny habit of producing pdfs that are not fillable. so i use inkscape and you wouldn't notice the difference.
[23:19] <bennypr0fane> but about the DJing, to be able to output to 2/more channels, you'll absolutely need as many HW outputs, yes?
[23:20] <wxl> pretty much yeah
[23:20] <wxl> well
[23:20] <wxl> there's one other way you could do it
[23:20] <wxl> but it would be kind of funky
[23:20] <bennypr0fane> pdfs tell me about it. people who give you pdf normally don't want you to work on them, is the big problem i believe
[23:20] <wxl> you could set your output to some random place (modern hardware often has surround channels-- you could send to there)
[23:21] <wxl> but then send headphones to the normal default output
[23:21] <wxl> then make sure that all tracks are on headphone
[23:21] <wxl> and mess with the main/cue mix until you get it just right
[23:21] <wxl> it would be nice if the headphone had a balance option
[23:21] <wxl> per deck, that is
[23:22] <bennypr0fane> that would require perfect fine tuning though, right?
[23:22] <wxl> kinda sorta
[23:22] <wxl> brb
[23:33] <bennypr0fane> any clue why I would get notif-sounds in Chromium, but not Opera?
[23:54] <Casey> i need help with a small problem in a sh script
[23:55] <Casey> i need to change sec to mins
[23:56] <Casey> RUNTIME="Remaining Runtime: $REMAINING_RUNTIME Seconds"
[23:57] <silverarrow> where are xchat?
[23:58] <wxl> you need to install xchat
[23:58] <wxl> lubuntu assumes pidgin as irc client
[23:58] <wxl> (and it's not a good one)