[17:01] <eee444> hi, could someone hwlp me get my dwl650 to work with aircrack?
[18:14] <mdeslaur> jjohansen, sbeattie, tyhicks, micahg: meeting!
[18:14] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:14] <tyhicks> hello
[18:14] <jjohansen> o/
[18:14] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
[18:14] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 16 18:14:56 2012 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:15] <mdeslaur> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:15] <mdeslaur> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:15] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items
[18:15] <mdeslaur> sbeattie pushed out kees' xorg update, \o/
[18:15] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:15] <mdeslaur> I'll go first
[18:16] <mdeslaur> so this week I'm in the happy place
[18:16] <mdeslaur> I've got some embargoed issues I'm looking at
[18:16] <mdeslaur> and am trying to get kdepim built
[18:16] <mdeslaur> also am working on the python rewrite of the vm-hacks
[18:16] <mdeslaur> that's it for me
[18:16] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:17] <sbeattie> I'm on triage this week, since jdstrand and I swapped.
[18:18] <sbeattie> Speaking of the xorg update, I'll be shepherding a revert of a couple of prior SRU fixes that introduced regressions .
[18:18] <sbeattie> (because they were pulled into the security pocket with the security update)
[18:18] <mdeslaur> \o/
[18:18] <sbeattie> yeah, whee.
[18:19] <sbeattie> I have an embargoed issue on my plate.
[18:20] <sbeattie> And after that, I'll move on to some of my work items that are feeling neglected.
[18:20] <sbeattie> I think that's it for me.
[18:20] <sbeattie> micahg: you're up!
[18:20] <micahg> webkit, piloting, mozilla training
[18:20] <micahg> I think that's it
[18:21] <micahg> tyhicks: next
[18:21] <tyhicks> I'm handling community this week (but won't have a chance to get to it until mid-week)
[18:22] <tyhicks> I'm doing Mozilla release testing today
[18:22] <tyhicks> Hopefully there are no surprises and firefox 14.0.1 and thunderbird 14.0 can go out to the stable releases tomorrow
[18:23] <tyhicks> After that, I'll work on the rubygems update and a work item
[18:23] <tyhicks> probably the auditd work item, but I need to look over the list again
[18:23] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: make sure you pick one of the essential ones
[18:23] <tyhicks> There will also be a little preparation for the upcoming 3.6 kernel merge window
[18:24] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: ack - I'm not sure if that one is essential, so I'll make sure before I start
[18:24] <tyhicks> I think that is it for me
[18:24] <tyhicks> jjohansen: You're up
[18:24] <jjohansen> I need to poke at debian 679597 to make sure the confirmed fix gets pulled in to wheezy (so just poking people to make sure it gets done).
[18:24] <jjohansen> I am sprinting with the kernel team wed and thurs to go over the reactive kernel work (work flow, deferred cves..)
[18:24] <jjohansen> I need to hand the dbus patches over to sbeattie so that he can have fun with them.
[18:25] <jjohansen> I need to finish debugging and push out the current set of 4 items/features I have been working on for apparmor
[18:25] <jjohansen> and if I get really ambitious maybe file a bug on the uefi upgrade fun I hit
[18:26] <jjohansen> mdeslaur: back to you
[18:26] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:26] <mdeslaur> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:26] <mdeslaur> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:26] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mysql-gui-tools.html
[18:26] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libyaml-libyaml-perl.html
[18:26] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libphp-jpgraph.html
[18:26] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mplayer2.html
[18:26] <mdeslaur> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libipc-pubsub-perl.html
[18:27] <mdeslaur> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:27] <mdeslaur> There are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application.
[18:27] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
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[18:28] <mdeslaur> Thanks everyone!
[18:28] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[18:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul 16 18:28:33 2012 UTC.
[18:28] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-07-16-18.14.moin.txt
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[18:28] <mdeslaur> #endworldhunger
[18:30] <jjohansen> thanks mdeslaur
[18:30] <tyhicks> thanks mdeslaur
[18:31] <sbeattie> heh, thanks mdeslaur
[19:01] <Laney> ?
[19:02]  * micahg waves
[19:02] <bdrung> dmb-ping
[19:02] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[19:02] <Laney> rawr
[19:05] <cody-somerville> hey
[19:05] <bdrung> #startmeeting
[19:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 16 19:05:36 2012 UTC.  The chair is bdrung. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:07] <bdrung> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:07] <bdrung> #subtopic micahg to document the zentyal packageset
[19:07] <micahg> nope, /me is a slacker
[19:08] <bdrung> micahg: should we increase the pressure? ;)
[19:08] <Laney> one beer per meeting undone
[19:08] <Laney> each.
[19:08] <micahg> heh
[19:08] <bdrung> good idea.
[19:08] <bdrung> should we vote on that? :P
[19:08] <micahg> as long as it's not retroactive :)
[19:09]  * cody-somerville grins.
[19:09] <bdrung> we are not politicians. :)
[19:10] <bdrung> #subtopic everyone try and be at CC meeting July 5th 17:00 UTC
[19:10] <Laney> some people did
[19:10] <Laney> we mainly discussed the PPU-membership thing
[19:11] <bdrung> which leads to the next item
[19:11] <bdrung> #subtopic micahg to start a discussion on dmb@ about whether PPU should confer membership
[19:11]  * micahg forgets if he did that or not
[19:11]  * micahg started one before the CC meeting
[19:11] <bdrung> beer, beer, beer!
[19:11] <Laney> yeah, there is one ther
[19:11] <Laney> e
[19:11] <Laney> we should get some kind of consensus
[19:12] <Laney> weren't we supposed to start one with the cc or something?
[19:12] <micahg> Laney: no, I think that was bueno's action
[19:12] <Laney> oh, great
[19:12] <micahg> beuno I mean
[19:14]  * Laney eyes bdrung 
[19:15] <bdrung> shouldn't we come to some kind of consensus?
[19:15] <beuno> yes, apologies, I have not sent out the proper emails
[19:15] <beuno> will do so today
[19:15] <Laney> we should, in ^ thread
[19:15] <Laney> put it on the agenda for the next meeting
[19:16]  * stgraber waves
[19:17] <bdrung> #action add PPU-membership thing discussion for getting a consensus on the agenda
[19:17] <meetingology> ACTION: add PPU-membership thing discussion for getting a consensus on the agenda
[19:17] <stgraber> sorry for not showing up earlier, was debugging some cdimage script and missed the beginning of the meeting :(
[19:18] <bdrung> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[19:18] <bdrung> #subtopic Iain Lane's core-dev application
[19:19] <bdrung> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IainLane/CoreDevApplication
[19:19] <bdrung> Laney: do you like to introduce yourself? ;)
[19:19] <Laney> ok
[19:20] <Laney> My name is Iain. I live in Nottingham, which is in the East Midlands in England.
[19:20] <Laney> It's raining.
[19:20] <Laney> It's been raining for about three months constantly.
[19:20] <Laney> I'm a MOTU and I've been one for something over three years now. I've been a DD for a bit over a year.
[19:20] <bdrung> then you have enough time to code ;)
[19:21] <Laney> In Ubuntu I'm a backporter, I'm on the release team and I'm also on this DMB.
[19:21] <Laney> I just joined Canonical on the Desktop team, as you might be able to tell from my endorsers.
[19:21] <Laney> ..
[19:23] <micahg> Laney: as you're in ubuntu-desktop know, do you see yourself uploading things outside of MOTU and the desktop package set?
[19:23] <micahg> s/know/now/
[19:24] <Laney> yeah, desktop can be kind of limited
[19:24] <Laney> I have a glib2.0 and poppler upload planned, both of which I don't think are in the desktop set.
[19:24] <Laney> (the former uploaded to exp already)
[19:25] <Laney> Also, it would be good to be able to sponsor stuff.
[19:25] <Laney> Oh. I also found myself looking after emacs a bit.
[19:25] <bdrung> Laney: will you help to reduce the sponsors queue to zero?
[19:27] <Laney> I'd like to think so. I've not been a very active sponsor in Ubuntu to date really.
[19:27] <Laney> I'm much better at sponsoring stuff in Debian for some reason.
[19:27] <bdrung> Laney: do you know our sponsors queue list?
[19:27] <Laney> do I know it?
[19:27] <Laney> You mean do I know where it is?!
[19:28] <bdrung> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/
[19:28] <Laney> yes
[19:28] <bdrung> have you looked at it?
[19:28] <Laney> I even submitted a patch to it before
[19:28] <Laney> which broke it and got reverted
[19:29] <bdrung> Laney: do you know why you are better sponsor in debian than in ubuntu?
[19:29] <Laney> more focused teams I guess
[19:29] <Laney> sometimes people email me directly which works quite well
[19:29] <Laney> I have a much higher chance of being able to review one of those changes well than any random Ubuntu package
[19:30] <bdrung> Laney: would grouping by package set help?
[19:30] <Laney> it does that
[19:30] <Laney> and yeah, I do sometimes cherry-pick those sponsor request
[19:30] <Laney> but cli-mono hasn't historically had that many. Maybe it'll be better now with desktop
[19:31] <bdrung> we could create separate tables for each package set
[19:32] <Laney> not sure it would add much over being able to sort the columns as you can do currently
[19:33] <bdrung> would it help to group by debian teams?
[19:34] <Laney> maybe
[19:34] <Laney> does it have a feed?
[19:34] <Laney> or some kind of machine readable output
[19:34] <bdrung> no, it has no rss feed
[19:34] <Laney> it would be easy enough to hook it up to whatever fancy stuff if so
[19:34] <Laney> maybe it should just export json or something
[19:35] <bdrung> we have a json export
[19:35] <bdrung> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/sponsoring.json
[19:36] <bdrung> i like to discuss your "What I like least in Ubuntu" section
[19:36] <Laney> should be easy enough to compute whatever lists you want then
[19:36] <Laney> yes! yes let's!
[19:37]  * skaet also thinks from release team perspective that Laney have wider upload permissions beyond desktop would be good.  :)
[19:37] <bdrung> you wrote that there are not enough people working on universe.
[19:37]  * Laney hugs skaet - cheers :-)
[19:38] <bdrung> it seems to me that the number of MOTUs decrease.
[19:38] <Laney> right
[19:38] <bdrung> in contrast, debian seems to grow and grow
[19:38] <Laney> we barely get any new MOTU though the DMB any more, do we?
[19:38] <micahg> I think we've had a handful in the last year
[19:39] <Laney> 5 or so
[19:39] <bdrung> what can be done?
[19:39] <Laney> heh
[19:40] <Laney> we've discussed this for the past several UDS
[19:40] <bdrung> anything that was successful?
[19:40] <Laney> this developer advisory team seems like a good idea, but I still don't see very many new active peopl in the channel
[19:40] <Laney> in Debian you get to own your own stuff, maybe that's why people stick there
[19:41] <Laney> you can also get involved with the whole of the distro, not just a few teams
[19:41] <Laney> it's set up differently, which is my second point here
[19:43] <Laney> perhaps the presence of the company somehow makes people less willing?
[19:44] <micahg> well, QA is always hard to find, and MOTU kinda acts like Debian QA for universe
[19:44] <bdrung> maybe, the press sometimes have a strange view on Ubuntu and write "Canonical does this and that", but instead it's done by the community
[19:45] <Laney> even so, Debian QA is more proactive than MOTU is
[19:45] <Laney> possibly because there's a higher chance of there being a 'hit' on any bug over there, because each package has a maintainer (at least in theory)
[19:45] <Laney> whereas in MOTU you have to do it yourself really
[19:49] <bdrung> your second point was that we do not focus enough on user freedom. can you explain what user freedom means to you? FLOSS?
[19:50] <bdrung> what can we improve?
[19:50] <Laney> I get a feeling that we're reluctant to put the freedom of this project we're making as promenantly as we could.
[19:51] <Laney> People talk about trying to toggle the little 'non-free software' button on in the installer.
[19:51] <Laney> Teams rely on non-free software for their infrastructure.
[19:52] <Laney> I dunno, I feel like somehow the Free-ness is a bit more incidental than I'd like it to be.
[19:54] <bdrung> so we should make it more visible to our developers that Free-ness is very important to us?
[19:55] <Laney> well, it is to me.
[19:55] <Laney> I'd like it if the front page of the website held this up.
[19:56] <bdrung> Laney: did you talked to the web team (or whatever team is responsible for the website)?
[19:58] <bdrung> Laney: can we MIR unar and get it installed by default? then we can drop unrar from ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:58] <Laney> no, mainly because I neither have a good suggestion nor know if other people agree.
[19:58] <bdrung> how about starting a discussion on the mailing list?
[19:59] <Laney> no idea what that is. is it a 100% replacement? why does it need to be in main/installed by default?
[19:59] <bdrung> unar can extract rar files and should be a 100% replacement. the upcoming file-roller can use unar to extract rar files.
[20:00] <bdrung> we passed the 1 hour mark. let's vote and continue the discussion later.
[20:00] <Laney> possibly. it could be added as depends/recommends/whatever there and unrar dropped if so.
[20:00] <Laney> that would be good.
[20:01] <bdrung> #vote Should Iain Lane become a core-dev?
[20:01] <meetingology> Please vote on: Should Iain Lane become a core-dev?
[20:01] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:01] <stgraber> +1
[20:01] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[20:01] <bdrung> +1
[20:01] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[20:02] <micahg> +1 good work all around
[20:02] <meetingology> +1 good work all around received from micahg
[20:02] <micahg> and we have +1 from tumbleweed as well
[20:02] <Laney> cody-somerville: ?
[20:03] <cody-somerville> +1 for sure
[20:03] <meetingology> +1 for sure received from cody-somerville
[20:03] <cody-somerville> strong evidence of leadership and technical merit
[20:03] <bdrung> there is one +1 from tumbleweed via email
[20:04] <bdrung> #endvote
[20:04] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Should Iain Lane become a core-dev?
[20:04] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:04] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:04] <stgraber> Laney: added
[20:04] <Laney> \o/
[20:04] <stgraber> Laney: did you have any PPU?
[20:04] <Laney> no
[20:04] <bdrung> Laney: welcome in the core-dev team
[20:04] <stgraber> good, no need to fight with edit_acl then
[20:04] <Laney> motu, desktop, cli-mono
[20:04] <Laney> oh yeah, did that get fixed?
[20:04] <Laney> also, thanks all!
[20:05] <micahg> Laney: congrats
[20:05] <bdrung> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting
[20:05] <bdrung> next chair will be barry
[20:05] <bdrung> should i add the we go alphabetical through our list?
[20:06] <stgraber> well, it still takes half an hour to list the upload rights because of the remaining duplicates and some packagesets can't be changed because they are duplicates and the API and DB disagree on the index...
[20:06] <stgraber> so short answer, no, edit_acl is still a mess
[20:06] <stgraber> I believe cjwatson fixed the code to create a new series in LP, so it shouldn't get any worse at least
[20:06] <Laney> ah, so we need SQL-fu to dedup
[20:06] <stgraber> yeah
[20:07] <stgraber> I have a bug and ticket open on LP for months now... might go poke #launchpad-ops about getting that stuff done
[20:07] <Laney> would be good
[20:07] <bdrung> #endmeeting
[20:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Jul 16 20:07:54 2012 UTC.
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[20:08] <stgraber> Laney: bug 887185
[20:09] <stgraber> Laney: basically the code change landed but nobody fixed the DB and it's still assigned to cjwatson who AFAIK doesn't have DB access so can't actually fix the mess
[20:09] <Laney> aha, but wgrant has put some SELECT queries up
[20:09] <Laney> so it should be track-downable for someone who knows this stuff
[20:13] <ScottK> Laney: Congratulations.
[20:14] <Laney> ScottK: merci
[21:51] <cjwatson> stgraber: Eh, no
[21:51] <cjwatson> stgraber: I can fix it with a garbo job or similar but haven't got round to it
[21:51] <cjwatson> Or failing that asking ops to do manual SQL.  But nobody else is going to do it :-)
[21:56] <stgraber> cjwatson: I poked ops earlier and filed bug 1025441 to track that work
[21:56] <cjwatson> stgraber: Bah, or somebody could have just reminded me :-)
[21:56] <cjwatson> I can do it on Wednesday if the maint squad doesn't beat me to it
[21:57] <stgraber> cjwatson: cool, thanks
[21:58] <cjwatson> FWIW, no Launchpad developers have direct database access - it all goes through ops
[21:58] <cjwatson> (Well, except team leads, even then under constraints)