[16:05] <littlegirl> Hey there, how much time does the translation team need to comfortably translate the kubuntu-docs before the freeze?
[16:06] <littlegirl> Also, is there anything the Kubuntu doc team can do better to make life easier for the translation team?
[16:06] <yurchor> littlegirl: It depends on team workflow.
[16:06] <yurchor> For those who use LP online translation it will be very long time.
[16:07] <littlegirl> yurchor: Would at least a month be enough time, or would that be cutting it close?
[16:08] <yurchor> You can calculate the time using the formula with 3 KB by one team member for one day.
[16:08] <littlegirl> yurchor: Oooh, thanks - that's very useful!
[16:08] <littlegirl> yurchor: Who generages the .po and .pot files - do we do that or do you?
[16:09] <yurchor> littlegirl: dpm should know better, but I'm afraid it is a manual upload.
[16:10]  * dpm reads scrollback
[16:10] <littlegirl> yurchor: There's a script that looks like it can do it automatically, but I'm not sure if we do that or you do that, and whether it should wait until the documentation fixes are done or if I should be generating those as I go along with the fixes.
[16:10] <yurchor> And this should be announced in ubuntu-translators mailing list, because many people were discouraged by the previous releases.
[16:11] <littlegirl> I'm trying to help with that. (:
[16:11] <dpm> littlegirl, the Ubuntu/Kubuntu docs team takes care of generating the .pot file and upload it to Launchpad before the string freeze
[16:11] <yurchor> littlegirl: I know, but in David's time it was broken most of the pre-release time.
[16:11] <dpm> oh, I see, you're actually from that team
[16:11] <littlegirl> dpm: Do they do it all at once, or do they generate them as they make changes? I'm in the process of making lots of changes to the docs, and I'm not sure whether I should be keeping the .po and .pot files updated or if I should wait. (:
[16:12]  * littlegirl is new
[16:12] <dpm> littlegirl, so from the docs side, I'd first recommend 2 things:
[16:12] <dpm> - Try to keep the .pot file up to date and commit it to bzr often
[16:12] <littlegirl> Ah, good to know!
[16:12] <dpm> - At least before the string freeze, it should be up to date, so that translators can start their work
[16:13] <dpm> There should be a script in the sources to update the .pot file, you can use that
[16:13] <dpm> but I don't know its status, as the Kubuntu docs have been behind for a couple of releases
[16:14] <yurchor> dpm: They were updated by littlegirl
[16:14] <littlegirl> Is it the create_pot.sh file in the scripts directory here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/quantal/files/head:/scripts/ ?
[16:14] <dpm> ah, good to know, so I guess the script is up to date?
[16:14] <littlegirl> I'm in the process of updating them, but htey're not finished.
[16:14]  * dpm looks
[16:15] <littlegirl> No idea on the script. I haven't touched it. (:
[16:15] <littlegirl> I'd also like to know if there are any issues or problems caused by how the documentation is written that would make your lives easier if we fixed them. For instance, the use of apostrophes making it hard to translate, or certain phrases, or whatever.
[16:16]  * littlegirl wants everybody to be happy
[16:17] <yurchor> littlegirl: For LP translators, minor changes are the most annoying things. The other mentioned troubles do not mean that match.
[16:18] <littlegirl> yurchor: Then I'd like to apologize in advance, because there are minor and major changes this time around, and they're sprinkled all over the place.
[16:19] <littlegirl> Oh, I forgot. We will probably be combining the about.xml and welcome.xml files this cycle, and using them as the opening document. Will that script need to be updated when we do that?
[16:20] <yurchor> littlegirl: That's the usual workflow in LP: people change almost in a pace of string changes, so nobody notice that change. And you can forgive about appologies if translations will be eventually released. ;
[16:22] <yurchor> littlegirl: There are no such scripts on LP side, Let the translators do their job. LP and local translation memory remember the strings anyway. ;)
[16:22] <littlegirl> Okay, well, I want you'all to know that I can be reached if there's a problem or a wish from the translation team. If I'm not on here, you can find me via my email (which is listed on my Launchpad page), which I check at least once a day.
[16:23] <littlegirl> yurchor: I found it. It's the libs/shipped-docs file. I'll just have to edit that to update the files that need to be converted. (:
[16:23] <yurchor> littlegirl: May I have a wish? Can you fix and close bug 852519 ?
[16:24]  * littlegirl is looking
[16:29] <littlegirl> yurchor: Do you have a preference between the two patches? Line 10 in both of them would break the documentation, but I can ignore that line and use either of them to make the changes.
[16:31] <littlegirl> Never mind - they're identical. (:
[16:31] <yurchor> The second incorporates the first. They are just for the reference as David added new typos in Ubuntu 12.04 release. I just want the typos fixed to some extent, not ignoring this bug as Dvid did.
[16:32] <littlegirl> yurchor: Do you know the bzr branch command for grabbing the documentation from that release?
[16:34] <yurchor> littlegirl: I am not an Ubuntu user. To be honest, bzr branching is somewhat useless to me. Sorry. :(
[16:34] <yurchor> But I can do it for this bug if it is inevitable.
[16:35] <littlegirl> yurchor: No, I'll figure it out and make these changes. This will be my first bug. (:
[16:36] <yurchor> littlegirl:  Many thanks. You are my hero. :)
[16:36] <littlegirl> yurchor: LOL
[16:36] <littlegirl> I figured out the command. (:
[16:53] <littlegirl> yurchor: I can make all the changes except the welcome.xml one. For some reason that file is 0 bytes for me.
[16:53] <yurchor> littlegirl: Ok. Thank you.
[16:54] <littlegirl> yurchor: But that won't close out the bug. Is there a way to get that document back?
[16:54] <yurchor> littlegirl: It does not matter. Just close the bug. ;)
[16:55] <littlegirl> Hmmm, it really is empty: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/kubuntu-docs/oneiric/view/head:/docs/welcome/C/welcome.xml
[16:55] <yurchor> If I find new typos I will file a new bug.
[16:55] <yurchor> ;)
[16:55] <littlegirl> yurchor: Okay, but I'll go ahead and commit the other fixes, and I'll ask in #kubuntu-devel how I can get the document back first, just so it's done right. (: