| pleia2 | running quiteb | 01:55 |
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| pleia2 | late | 01:55 |
| pleia2 | may have meeting at 730 instead ;) | 01:56 |
| * pleia2 heading home from grocery | 01:57 | |
| scientes | cool, meeting coming up! | 01:58 |
| pleia2 | #startmeeting | 02:20 |
| darthrobot | Meeting started Mon Jul 16 02:20:49 2012 UTC. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 02:20 |
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| pleia2 | hello california friends :) | 02:20 |
| pleia2 | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12July15 | 02:21 |
| darthrobot | Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12July15 - Ubuntu Wiki] | 02:21 |
| pleia2 | nothing really on our agenda | 02:21 |
| pleia2 | #topic Announcements, comments, brainstorming, anything else | 02:22 |
| pleia2 | several folks are at OSCON right now | 02:23 |
| pleia2 | I know MarkDude and philipballew went up, and bkerensa and the Oregon team are running an Ubuntu booth :) | 02:23 |
| pleia2 | I'll be heading up for just the last couple days | 02:25 |
| pleia2 | anyone have anything they want to talk about? | 02:25 |
| pleia2 | our last SF Ubuntu Hour was pretty lean, just two of us summertime :) | 02:25 |
| akk | Hey, everybody, have fun at OSCON! | 02:26 |
| pleia2 | thanks akk! | 02:26 |
| pleia2 | in early Septmeber we'll be working with BerkeleyLUG and Partimus on the Solano Stroll again http://www.solanoavenueassn.org/strol.htm | 02:26 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Solano Stroll street festival & parade |Berkeley & Albany CA] | 02:26 |
| eps | Y'know, I haven't heard anything about a Linux Picnic this year. | 02:27 |
| pleia2 | eps: it's not happening | 02:27 |
| pleia2 | no one reserved the back back in february | 02:27 |
| eps | Eek. So, what? At 21, Linux has finally grown up and moved out of its parents basement? | 02:27 |
| akk | bummer! | 02:28 |
| pleia2 | 21, maybe the picnic is being held in an undisclosed bar :) | 02:28 |
| eps | If MarkDude were here, we could probably put together a Geeknic for the date the Linux Picnic would have landed on. | 02:28 |
| pleia2 | Alison Chaiken expressed interest in trying to help make it happen next year, so I might throw my hat in for that too | 02:29 |
| pleia2 | maybe we can see about roping him in for a geeknic in late august :) | 02:30 |
| pleia2 | anyone have any other thoughts? | 02:30 |
| jyo | Mt. View Ubuntu Hour is on Thursday, I think. | 02:31 |
| pleia2 | ah yes, 3rd thursday :) | 02:32 |
| pleia2 | not in the loco team portal yet, but jtatum usually sends out a mail too | 02:32 |
| pleia2 | ok, I guess we can wrap things up yet | 02:35 |
| * eps wants to gripe about the sad state of nVidia proprietary drivers | 02:35 | |
| pleia2 | #endmeeting | 02:36 |
| darthrobot | Meeting ended Mon Jul 16 02:36:43 2012 UTC. | 02:36 |
| darthrobot | Minutes: http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2012/ubuntu-us-ca.2012-07-16-02.20.moin.txt | 02:36 |
| pleia2 | ok, onward with the griping! | 02:36 |
| pleia2 | I don't even know if I'm using my nvidia card on my firewall anymore, I kept switching between it and the intel onboard as one sucked and another worked | 02:37 |
| eps | 12.04 "upgraded" to xorg 1.11, but nVidia didn't catch up until about two months later | 02:37 |
| pleia2 | (I only use the graphics for basic stuff) | 02:37 |
| pleia2 | ah, fun :\ | 02:37 |
| akk | I'm sticking to intel lately, though they're making it hard since they're also making chips that have no linux driver. | 02:38 |
| eps | The usual strategy of backporting fixes doesn't work in cases like this. | 02:38 |
| eps | nVidia's current releases are listed here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html | 02:38 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Unix Drivers Portal Page] | 02:38 |
| pleia2 | my current desktop has some cheap ATI card | 02:40 |
| pleia2 | like $20 from newegg | 02:40 |
| eps | nvidia-current in precise _should_ be updated to 295.95, which is the *supported* Long Lived Branch | 02:40 |
| eps | Instead, it's stuck at 295.40. So precise users aren't getting any of the bug fixes. | 02:40 |
| Darkwing | Dang, I just missed the meeting... | 02:40 |
| Darkwing | Hey everyone... I have a bit of an annoucement that I'll be sending to the ML too. | 02:41 |
| eps | The Legacy driver for next-most-recent nVidia cards didn't work at all when precise shipped. | 02:41 |
| Darkwing | I'll be stepping down from the leadership position within the Loco. | 02:41 |
| Darkwing | In a couple weeks I'll be moving to Indiana. | 02:42 |
| eps | 173.14.35 is current -- and is used for nvidia-173 in quantal | 02:42 |
| eps | But precise is stuck at 173.14.30, again depriving users of the vendor's fixes | 02:43 |
| Darkwing | install the vesa, purge nvidia, install nvidia and purge vesa | 02:43 |
| eps | The standard repositories *should* have the supported drivers; you don't want to be told "I'm sorry, we fixed that already." | 02:45 |
| eps | This gives Ubuntu a bad reputation, and that for us is a marketing problem. | 02:45 |
| Darkwing | You would think... This has been an issue with repositories in ubuntu for a while. | 02:45 |
| eps | nouveau is *not* an acceptable alternative to the proprietary drivers. | 02:45 |
| Darkwing | Not even close. | 02:46 |
| eps | There are packages that track upstreams, e.g. Firefox. | 02:46 |
| Darkwing | this is why I'm happy that my laptop has intel | 02:46 |
| eps | nVidia needs to rise to that level. | 02:46 |
| Darkwing | yes, but an app is different than something that is moduled into the kernel | 02:47 |
| eps | So what? If you're using proprietary drivers, you have to trust your upstream. | 02:48 |
| eps | It isn't possible to backport fixes. | 02:48 |
| eps | You can't ask mainstream users to compile from source, nor point them at PPAs. | 02:49 |
| Darkwing | I agree 110% this is why a rolling release IMO would be better in the long run. | 02:49 |
| eps | I appreciate what Intel does, but it's not reasonable to tell people "you must buy Intel or you aren't welcome at our table." | 02:50 |
| eps | There are basically only three choices. My experience has been that Intel and nVidia both make products that work. ATI, not so much. | 02:51 |
| Darkwing | Yeah, I like what nVidia does is highend but, I perfer intel | 02:51 |
| eps | I also understand there's pushback from the Stallmanists. | 02:52 |
| eps | Hardwarewise, I prefer nVidia. I would like to be able to choose Ubuntu, but Ubuntu doesn't seem to want to play nicely with others. | 02:53 |
| Darkwing | The problem is simple, people are not used to building for the "just users" people | 02:53 |
| Darkwing | Like, the ones who do nothing else other than use it. | 02:53 |
| eps | Ubuntu is positioned as an end user product. | 02:54 |
| Darkwing | Untill we start building our mindsets directed toward them... We will have these issues. | 02:54 |
| Darkwing | Yes and no. | 02:54 |
| Darkwing | We are far along with it but, there is still the "give back" mindset | 02:54 |
| Darkwing | ** "must give back" | 02:55 |
| eps | No, we have to be pragmatic here. | 02:55 |
| eps | If I wanted to be straightjacketed, I'd stick with Apple hardware. | 02:56 |
| Darkwing | I'm not saying that... But, there is an expectation that isn't as good. | 02:57 |
| eps | What's next? Treat AMD CPUs as second-class citizens? We wouldn't do that. | 02:58 |
| eps | nVidia's products are widely adopted. If this were something unusual, then you could make the argument that it's too much trouble. | 03:00 |
| eps | I don't want to get into a Coke vs. Pepsi argument. That's for end users to decide for themselves. | 03:02 |
| eps | Ubuntu has enough detractors as it is; they don't need to be given any more ammunition. | 03:03 |
| eps | The bottom line is, we should be building updated packages, testing them, and if they pass muster, those should be going into -updates. | 03:05 |
| eps | I can't think of anything else to add. | 03:06 |
| Darkwing | :D | 03:07 |
| Darkwing | I'm with ya | 03:08 |
| eps | Maybe you can help revitalize the Indiana Loco? | 03:13 |
| * pleia2 searches for a portland hotel room | 03:20 | |
| eps | www.travelportland.com | 03:21 |
| pleia2 | yeah, already used that ;) | 03:21 |
| pleia2 | ones exist, just trying to fine one that's not awful or too painfully far | 03:22 |
| eps | Public transit is free in downtown Portland. The MAX doesn't suck. www.trimet.org | 03:25 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: ;) I have something for you from Jono when you arrive | 03:26 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: ah, the suspense! :) | 03:27 |
| pleia2 | have fun tomorrow, good luck with the booth! | 03:28 |
| scientes | whens the meeting? | 03:28 |
| pleia2 | scientes: we already had the meeting | 03:28 |
| scientes | oh damn i missed it again | 03:28 |
| scientes | eps, re: nvidia-current, i even moved to 302 or what-not, and my card was still totally broken, it broke a month before precise release | 03:29 |
| scientes | so i just use nouveau which blows on this card | 03:29 |
| eps | Unfortunately, nVidia's forums are down at the moment. | 03:30 |
| Darkwing | eps: Yeah, I've already been in contact with the co-founders. They are looking forward to turning it over to someone. | 03:40 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: sup | 03:41 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: have you not found one yet? | 03:43 |
| bkerensa | a hotel? | 03:43 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: I didn't try very hard :) now looking | 03:44 |
| bkerensa | kk | 03:44 |
| pleia2 | there, rooms | 05:01 |
| pleia2 | staying near the airport first night, and a hotel downtown for thurs and fri | 05:02 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: you come in Wednesday right? | 05:13 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: wednesday night, so I won't really be around until Thursday morning | 05:15 |
| pleia2 | (I have work Mon-Wed) | 05:16 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: Ping me if you need any directions or such | 05:16 |
| bkerensa | MAX is much easier than BART :P | 05:16 |
| bkerensa | and safer | 05:16 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 05:17 |
| bkerensa | Cabs are usually very expensive | 05:17 |
| bkerensa | koolhead17 paid $30 to go a couple blocks | 05:18 |
| bkerensa | :P | 05:18 |
| pleia2 | I actually have to get to another hotel thursday morning before the conference, so I might just cab it from one hotel to another since I'll have luggage :\ | 05:18 |
| bkerensa | Try to get RadioCab | 05:18 |
| pleia2 | ok | 05:18 |
| bkerensa | not Broadway Cab ever.... they have non-english speaking somali drivers mostly who will take you on a ride | 05:18 |
| bkerensa | =/ | 05:18 |
| pleia2 | so that's the one koolhead17 took? :) | 05:18 |
| bkerensa | I think he just took a flat rate one | 05:19 |
| pleia2 | ah | 05:19 |
| bkerensa | They have some that are flat rate to downtown | 05:19 |
| pleia2 | a cabby in NYC took me for a ride once (during HOPE actually), but I was only out $20 so it wasn't a huge deal coming from Philly where that would have been normal | 05:22 |
| pleia2 | I didn't realize until later that I had overpaid | 05:22 |
| bkerensa | heh... I'm local and a Broadway cab took me and my fiancee a city in the wrong direction when we asked to simply go to our local mall... We asked several times for him to pull over so we could call another cab | 05:23 |
| bkerensa | in the end it cost us $40+ more | 05:23 |
| pleia2 | yuck :( | 05:23 |
| bkerensa | We switched to Radio Cab after that since they only seem to have english speaking drivers but now we zipcar :) | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | zipcar++ | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | philipballew__: I am loling at your tweets (oh my gosh, where are you staying?!) | 06:00 |
| philipballew__ | in the getho here at a comfort inn. I was offered weed like 5 times in the block from the light rail to the hotel | 06:02 |
| philipballew__ | its like 4 miles from the convention center | 06:02 |
| philipballew__ | I really have nothing going on till wednesday so I have just been roaming around Portland but now I came back here and its kinda different then Auburn... | 06:03 |
| bkerensa | yeah Mark picked a bad motel | 06:03 |
| bkerensa | :P | 06:03 |
| bkerensa | anything East of 82nd Avenue is not good for living | 06:03 |
| philipballew__ | I told a person on the bus its where I was getting off at, and she looked twice at me, then asked why. | 06:04 |
| pleia2 | oh my :) | 06:05 |
| philipballew__ | but they have free breakfast! | 06:05 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: yeah I told Mark and the Fedora folks but Noooo they didnt want any help from a Local :P | 06:05 |
| philipballew__ | Totally gonna get some breakfast tomorrow :) | 06:05 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: where? | 06:06 |
| bkerensa | :P | 06:06 |
| bkerensa | oh at motel? | 06:06 |
| bkerensa | :d | 06:06 |
| philipballew__ | the comfort inn | 06:06 |
| philipballew__ | Its free :) | 06:06 |
| bkerensa | likely continental | 06:06 |
| bkerensa | so Donuts and OJ | 06:06 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 06:06 |
| philipballew__ | youd think rh would put them up downtown | 06:06 |
| bkerensa | nah | 06:06 |
| bkerensa | its pretty packed till like Thurs and Friday | 06:07 |
| bkerensa | all the hotels next to OCC are sold out completely right now | 06:07 |
| philipballew__ | hum, well the econo lodge of mlk has room | 06:07 |
| bkerensa | which is better | 06:07 |
| bkerensa | better than Koolhead17's econo lodge :P | 06:08 |
| philipballew__ | yeah, im not sure what is better | 06:08 |
| philipballew__ | that had a jack in the box next to it | 06:08 |
| philipballew__ | and since the beef is not real beef, he was able to have some | 06:09 |
| bkerensa | http://goo.gl/maps/diwM | 06:09 |
| darthrobot | [R: maps.google.com] Title: [Portland Gang Territory - Google Maps] | 06:09 |
| bkerensa | :D | 06:09 |
| philipballew__ | bkerensa, don't worry, Im an og | 06:09 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: not real? | 06:09 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: yeaaaaah.... I'm not going walking in bad neighborhoods with you again :P | 06:10 |
| * bkerensa remembers you throwing up gang signs to a car full of African Americans :P | 06:10 | |
| pleia2 | really, it took me like 1.5 hours to get my hotel situation sorted this late, I got the *last* room in the Sheraton by the airport for wed night | 06:10 |
| pleia2 | (and only via hotels.com, their own website was sold out) | 06:10 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: its not bad at all | 06:10 |
| philipballew__ | bkerensa, I gotta represent my crew | 06:11 |
| * bkerensa is getting breakfast at OSCON I think | 06:12 | |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: yeah, I think I did fine hotel wise | 06:13 |
| pleia2 | what is the food situation at oscon? | 06:13 |
| bkerensa | uhh | 06:13 |
| pleia2 | I actually looked on the site earlier, but it was unclear :) | 06:13 |
| philipballew__ | bkerensa, I have pizza for lunch if anyone needs any | 06:13 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: so do you have a pass? and what kind? | 06:13 |
| pleia2 | You are registered for 3-Day Pass (Wed-Fri). | 06:13 |
| bkerensa | ahh | 06:13 |
| pleia2 | * Lunch (Wed-Thu) | 06:14 |
| bkerensa | so you should be able to get lunch those days | 06:14 |
| pleia2 | ah | 06:14 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 06:14 |
| bkerensa | and also all parties have food | 06:14 |
| * pleia2 nods | 06:14 | |
| bkerensa | so that covers dinner... at least for me it does generally | 06:14 |
| bkerensa | Speakers get a lounge that has cold beverages and food all day plus breakfast :) | 06:14 |
| pleia2 | I'm more worried about logistics than cost (I should find my own breakfast) | 06:14 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: so there are a lot of options within walking distance of the OCC | 06:15 |
| pleia2 | that's good :) | 06:15 |
| bkerensa | Burgerville makes pretty decent breakfast and uses all local meat, eggs, cheese, veggies | 06:16 |
| bkerensa | :D | 06:16 |
| pleia2 | cool | 06:16 |
| bkerensa | so philipballew_ you know the room that they do CLS in? | 06:16 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: are u going to the zoo while here? | 06:18 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: maybe :) | 06:18 |
| philipballew__ | i think this whole city is a zoo | 06:18 |
| bkerensa | lol | 06:18 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: you should go ZooBombing | 06:18 |
| bkerensa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoobomb | 06:18 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Zoobomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] | 06:18 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 06:18 |
| pleia2 | not actually sure what I'm doing with the friends on Saturday, zoo would be good | 06:18 |
| pleia2 | philipballew__: hahah | 06:18 |
| bkerensa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmq9dq6Nsg | 06:19 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Dream of the 90s - Portlandia on IFC - YouTube] | 06:19 |
| bkerensa | ^ pleia2 you see that ever? | 06:19 |
| pleia2 | nope | 06:20 |
| bkerensa | lol | 06:20 |
| philipballew__ | i prefer the dream of the suburbs is alive in Vancouver myself. | 06:20 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: =/ The Couv is horrible.... I only go up there to grocery shop | 06:21 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 06:21 |
| philipballew__ | I was in that area today, Its has nice people | 06:22 |
| philipballew__ | portlandia is nice though | 06:22 |
| philipballew__ | PUT A BIRD ON IT! | 06:22 |
| bkerensa | Go by street car | 06:23 |
| bkerensa | Keep portland weird | 06:23 |
| bkerensa | RCTID | 06:23 |
| philipballew__ | street car? | 06:24 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: its a local saying... "Go by street car" | 06:24 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzkEwPZWALA | 06:25 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Best Marriage Proposal EVER. -Portland Oregon (High Quality) - YouTube] | 06:25 |
| philipballew__ | seems nice | 06:25 |
| philipballew__ | I dont drive first | 06:26 |
| philipballew__ | in fact, when I drove all those people home this morning, that was the first in several weeks | 06:26 |
| philipballew__ | I should drive mo often | 06:26 |
| bkerensa | philipballew_: you drove Mark and his Entourage home? | 06:27 |
| philipballew__ | yeah, I was the dd | 06:27 |
| philipballew__ | mark was off with someone but I drove everyone else | 06:28 |
| philipballew__ | Im pretty sure they have no idea though | 06:28 |
| bkerensa | lol | 06:28 |
| philipballew__ | as they probably were not aware if what was going on | 06:28 |
| bkerensa | ohhh I found a sloppy bug :D | 07:02 |
| epikvision | hey guys, how do you install wordpress in ubuntu? | 19:09 |
| akk | I've never done it, but I would guess: sudo apt-get install wordpress | 19:11 |
| akk | There is a package for it. | 19:11 |
| epikvision | ok | 19:11 |
| epikvision | i downloaded the .tar.gz package | 19:11 |
| epikvision | is there a way to install from the desktop? | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | if you download the tarball just follow the directions at http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress | 19:12 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Installing WordPress « WordPress Codex] | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | (I don't use the package because I like running the latest version, the package in Ubuntu is an older version + security patches) | 19:12 |
| akk | But if you're unfamiliar with tar and installing tarballs, you might have better luck by sticking with the Ubuntu package. | 19:13 |
| epikvision | true. | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | yeah, just read the docs in /usr/share/doc/wordpress/ to properly set it up in Ubuntu | 19:13 |
| akk | Ubuntu packages take care of dependencies and often handle minor installation details for you. | 19:13 |
| akk | (on the downside, they're not quite as current, so if you need something cutting edge in the absolute latest WP builds, you might need tha tarball.) | 19:14 |
| epikvision | I took akk's suggestion and installed wordpress. If I install the tarball now, will it update the installed package? | 19:15 |
| akk | No. | 19:15 |
| akk | It'll most likely install a second completely different version in a different place. | 19:16 |
| epikvision | XD | 19:16 |
| akk | And maybe set things up so that both of them are running at startup. | 19:16 |
| epikvision | i'm gonna give the tarball a go. How do I uninstall? | 19:16 |
| akk | apt-get purge wordpress | 19:16 |
| akk | add a sudo in front of that | 19:16 |
| epikvision | for the tar command, tar -xzvf, what does the x, z, v, and f stand for? | 19:17 |
| epikvision | just curious. | 19:17 |
| epikvision | oh wait! | 19:18 |
| epikvision | I'll use the man. | 19:18 |
| akk | \o/ | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | man pages can be hard to parse, but when it comes to looking up what flags mean - yes, you should use the man page :) | 19:18 |
| akk | And reading man pages is a good skill to learn. | 19:19 |
| epikvision | I hear that there are two ways to host a website: either having your own server or using a hosting provider. What's the benefit of either? | 19:24 |
| akk | Having your own server: you have control over everything. Using someone else's server: it's not your fault when it breaks (or your job to fix it). | 19:25 |
| epikvision | guess there's a lot of manual work in owning a server. | 19:25 |
| akk | It's not that different from the work in a desktop -- either way you have to keep it updated and fix things that break. | 19:26 |
| akk | It's just a little more stressful with a server, because it HAS to have security updates, and if it breaks, no one can see your website until you fix it. | 19:26 |
| akk | (or you can't read your mail until you fix it, if it's a mail problem) | 19:26 |
| akk | I kept my website on a home server for years, but finally moved it to a hosting place because our DSL would go down when we were traveling | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | there are also levels of "hosting provider" - you can get everything from a completely unmanaged server that someone else just physicaly runs (as a physical or virtual machine) where you get root, to a simple web-hosting account where all you get is a wordpress admin login | 19:27 |
| akk | and there's no way to fix that, so it was stress and depression on trips until we could get home and power-cycle the modem or call AT&T or whatever. | 19:27 |
| * epikvision sees | 19:29 | |
| akk | epikvision: If your goal is to learn and play around with server stuff, running your own server is probably the way to go. | 19:30 |
| epikvision | O.O and buying the server itself? | 19:30 |
| epikvision | It would be an interesting experience. | 19:30 |
| akk | If your goal is to get a real website up that users will be using regularly, then it's worth considering both options. | 19:30 |
| akk | Buying? A server is just a computer -- you can use your desktop, or an old machine you've retired, or whatever. | 19:31 |
| akk | It's not like you need some special super breed of computer to be a server. | 19:31 |
| akk | Our home server right now is an old netbook we got on ebay for $200 or so ... before that it was a 6-year-old low-power Via board with no case. | 19:32 |
| akk | Here's the old Via machine (though it's no longer serving that domain): http://timocharis.com/doodles/server/index.html | 19:32 |
| darthrobot | Title: [The Physical Reality Of Timocharis.com] | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | aww :) | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | "my server hangs on my wall" | 19:33 |
| akk | I was a little sad to give up the "secure server" | 19:33 |
| akk | but the netbook is a lot faster and a little more power efficient. | 19:33 |
| akk | (We're nuts about power efficiency -- heck, the new machine is probably saving us 7 cents or so per month!!) | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:34 |
| akk | (obviously it's not about the cost) | 19:34 |
| scientes | akk, i use a sheevaplug as email server | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | I keep browsing ARM boards for a low-power option to put in my fiance's colo space, he's got tons of bandwidth but just a little power...most of which is being used up by his giant 1U Xeon server | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | so I can have space, if I use hardly any power :) | 19:36 |
| scientes | ahh yeah, get something omap w/ sata | 19:36 |
| scientes | or rather marvell w/ sata, like armada chipset | 19:36 |
| akk | We have a couple of plug computers (Marvell/arm) but don't run any servers off them. They can be kind of a pain to deal with. | 19:38 |
| scientes | well the armv7 ones are much faster | 19:38 |
| akk | My last job was at a company that used those, but not as public-facing web servers. | 19:38 |
| scientes | and sata is also neccicary | 19:38 |
| scientes | pleia2, you use powertop on the server? | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | scientes: I'm not sure if he does | 19:42 |
| scientes | it tells you what processes are waking up the kernel and costing power | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I've used it before :) | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | (mostly on laptops though, until now I haven't worried much about server power consumption since at work we don't have a limit) | 19:45 |
| scientes | you get a little more info on laptops, through acpi, about current power consumption, that you dont get on most desktops | 19:46 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:46 | |
| akk | Thanks for the reminder, I'd been meaning to do some powertop runs on the new netbook. Ubuntu seems to be getting rather poor battery life there. | 19:50 |
| akk | Actually the new powertop in pangolin is a lot harder to read, and no longer gives helpful suggestions. :( | 19:57 |
| akk | But there seems to be a big problem with the audio codec hwC0D0, whatever that means. | 19:58 |
| akk | 7.4W in squeeze, 8.89W in pangolin and toggling the "bad" tuneables doesn't seem to make any difference. | 20:03 |
| scientes | ouch ruby 1.8 is eating my battery | 20:08 |
| scientes | anyone know if there is a fix for cruby 1.8? | 20:08 |
| scientes | **power | 20:08 |
| scientes | no battery | 20:08 |
| akk | It must be ruby running some program - ruby is just a language. | 20:10 |
| scientes | akk, no i looked it up, the interpreter pool for it implamentation of green threads | 20:10 |
| akk | I have no ruby running at all. | 20:11 |
| scientes | yeah this is a server serving up rails | 20:11 |
| akk | ah | 20:11 |
| scientes | i absolutely need ruby 1.8 | 20:11 |
| akk | yes, that does kind of need ruby :) | 20:12 |
| scientes | well ruby1.9 is probably good | 20:12 |
| scientes | but i need ruby 1.8, cause its legaly rails 2.3 | 20:12 |
| scientes | *legacy | 20:12 |
| akk | ruby/rails versions used to be a big headache ... not sure if they still are. | 20:14 |
| akk | I remember on ubuntu I used to have to install nearly everything from source, because rails needed gems that ubuntu and debian didn't package. | 20:14 |
| akk | (and people who asked for them to be packaged got rudely insulted in the bug system) | 20:15 |
| scientes | akk, that pretty much how the ruby world works | 20:24 |
| scientes | even python is generally run that way with virtualenv | 20:24 |
| * akk gives up and goes back to squeeze, pangolin's powertop isn't giving any helpful suggestions about why pangolin eats so much power | 20:40 | |
| scientes | akk, powertop 2 is in unstable, and i managed to compile from source on centos 6.2 | 21:11 |
| akk | Will powertop 2 bring back some of the things the old powertop used to have? | 21:13 |
| akk | I'm finding this 1.97 a lot less useful than the old one. | 21:14 |
| akk | It has all these screens, but none of them give the info that the single screen used to. | 21:14 |
| scientes | idk i never used the old one | 21:22 |
| scientes | the new one segfaults on start on arm | 21:25 |
| scientes | unlike the old one | 21:25 |
| scientes | there is a patch on the bts | 21:25 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: you around? | 21:26 |
| epikvision | any developers around? | 21:33 |
| epikvision | 'cuz I need help trying to fix my first bug. | 21:33 |
| DonkeyHotei | so you need more specifically developers skilled in the spay/neuter of insects, then | 21:35 |
| epikvision | haha, yes | 21:35 |
| epikvision | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/1022935 | 21:36 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Bug #1022935 “libpurple0 package description typo” : Bugs : “pidgin” package : Ubuntu] | 21:36 |
| scientes | epikvision, make it just suggest tcl and tk | 21:51 |
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