[01:55] <pleia2> running quiteb
[01:55] <pleia2> late
[01:56] <pleia2> may have meeting at 730 instead ;)
[01:57]  * pleia2 heading home from grocery
[01:58] <scientes> cool, meeting coming up!
[02:20] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[02:20] <pleia2> hello california friends :)
[02:21] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12July15
[02:21] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12July15 - Ubuntu Wiki]
[02:21] <pleia2> nothing really on our agenda
[02:22] <pleia2> #topic Announcements, comments, brainstorming, anything else
[02:23] <pleia2> several folks are at OSCON right now
[02:23] <pleia2> I know MarkDude and philipballew went up, and bkerensa and the Oregon team are running an Ubuntu booth :)
[02:25] <pleia2> I'll be heading up for just the last couple days
[02:25] <pleia2> anyone have anything they want to talk about?
[02:25] <pleia2> our last SF Ubuntu Hour was pretty lean, just two of us summertime :)
[02:26] <akk> Hey, everybody, have fun at OSCON!
[02:26] <pleia2> thanks akk!
[02:26] <pleia2> in early Septmeber we'll be working with BerkeleyLUG and Partimus on the Solano Stroll again http://www.solanoavenueassn.org/strol.htm
[02:26] <darthrobot> Title: [Solano Stroll street festival & parade |Berkeley & Albany CA]
[02:27] <eps> Y'know, I haven't heard anything about a Linux Picnic this year.
[02:27] <pleia2> eps: it's not happening
[02:27] <pleia2> no one reserved the back back in february
[02:27] <eps> Eek. So, what? At 21, Linux has finally grown up and moved out of its parents basement?
[02:28] <akk> bummer!
[02:28] <pleia2> 21, maybe the picnic is being held in an undisclosed bar :)
[02:28] <eps> If MarkDude were here, we could probably put together a Geeknic for the date the Linux Picnic would have landed on.
[02:29] <pleia2> Alison Chaiken expressed interest in trying to help make it happen next year, so I might throw my hat in for that too
[02:30] <pleia2> maybe we can see about roping him in for a geeknic in late august :)
[02:30] <pleia2> anyone have any other thoughts?
[02:31] <jyo> Mt. View Ubuntu Hour is on Thursday, I think.
[02:32] <pleia2> ah yes, 3rd thursday :)
[02:32] <pleia2> not in the loco team portal yet, but jtatum usually sends out a mail too
[02:35] <pleia2> ok, I guess we can wrap things up yet
[02:35]  * eps wants to gripe about the sad state of nVidia proprietary drivers
[02:36] <pleia2> #endmeeting
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[02:36] <pleia2> ok, onward with the griping!
[02:37] <pleia2> I don't even know if I'm using my nvidia card on my firewall anymore, I kept switching between it and the intel onboard as one sucked and another worked
[02:37] <eps> 12.04 "upgraded" to xorg 1.11, but nVidia didn't catch up until about two months later
[02:37] <pleia2> (I only use the graphics for basic stuff)
[02:37] <pleia2> ah, fun :\
[02:38] <akk> I'm sticking to intel lately, though they're making it hard since they're also making chips that have no linux driver.
[02:38] <eps> The usual strategy of backporting fixes doesn't work in cases like this.
[02:38] <eps> nVidia's current releases are listed here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[02:38] <darthrobot> Title: [Unix Drivers Portal Page]
[02:40] <pleia2> my current desktop has some cheap ATI card
[02:40] <pleia2> like $20 from newegg
[02:40] <eps> nvidia-current in precise _should_ be updated to 295.95, which is the *supported* Long Lived Branch
[02:40] <eps> Instead, it's stuck at 295.40. So precise users aren't getting any of the bug fixes.
[02:40] <Darkwing> Dang, I just missed the meeting...
[02:41] <Darkwing> Hey everyone... I have a bit of an annoucement that I'll be sending to the ML too.
[02:41] <eps> The Legacy driver for next-most-recent nVidia cards didn't work at all when precise shipped.
[02:41] <Darkwing> I'll be stepping down from the leadership position within the Loco.
[02:42] <Darkwing> In a couple weeks I'll be moving to Indiana.
[02:42] <eps> 173.14.35 is current -- and is used for nvidia-173 in quantal
[02:43] <eps> But precise is stuck at 173.14.30, again depriving users of the vendor's fixes
[02:43] <Darkwing> install the vesa, purge nvidia, install nvidia and purge vesa
[02:45] <eps> The standard repositories *should* have the supported drivers; you don't want to be told "I'm sorry, we fixed that already."
[02:45] <eps> This gives Ubuntu a bad reputation, and that for us is a marketing problem.
[02:45] <Darkwing> You would think... This has been an issue with repositories in ubuntu for a while.
[02:45] <eps> nouveau is *not* an acceptable alternative to the proprietary drivers.
[02:46] <Darkwing> Not even close.
[02:46] <eps> There are packages that track upstreams, e.g. Firefox.
[02:46] <Darkwing> this is why I'm happy that my laptop has intel
[02:46] <eps> nVidia needs to rise to that level.
[02:47] <Darkwing> yes, but an app is different than something that is moduled into the kernel
[02:48] <eps> So what? If you're using proprietary drivers, you have to trust your upstream.
[02:48] <eps> It isn't possible to backport fixes.
[02:49] <eps> You can't ask mainstream users to compile from source, nor point them at PPAs.
[02:49] <Darkwing> I agree 110% this is why a rolling release IMO would be better in the long run.
[02:50] <eps> I appreciate what Intel does, but it's not reasonable to tell people "you must buy Intel or you aren't welcome at our table."
[02:51] <eps> There are basically only three choices. My experience has been that Intel and nVidia both make products that work. ATI, not so much.
[02:51] <Darkwing> Yeah, I like what nVidia does is highend but, I perfer intel
[02:52] <eps> I also understand there's pushback from the Stallmanists.
[02:53] <eps> Hardwarewise, I prefer nVidia. I would like to be able to choose Ubuntu, but Ubuntu doesn't seem to want to play nicely with others.
[02:53] <Darkwing> The problem is simple, people are not used to building for the "just users" people
[02:53] <Darkwing> Like, the ones who do nothing else other than use it.
[02:54] <eps> Ubuntu is positioned as an end user product.
[02:54] <Darkwing> Untill we start building our mindsets directed toward them... We will have these issues.
[02:54] <Darkwing> Yes and no.
[02:54] <Darkwing> We are far along with it but, there is still the "give back" mindset
[02:55] <Darkwing> ** "must give back"
[02:55] <eps> No, we have to be pragmatic here.
[02:56] <eps> If I wanted to be straightjacketed, I'd stick with Apple hardware.
[02:57] <Darkwing> I'm not saying that... But, there is an expectation that isn't as good.
[02:58] <eps> What's next? Treat AMD CPUs as second-class citizens? We wouldn't do that.
[03:00] <eps> nVidia's products are widely adopted. If this were something unusual, then you could make the argument that it's too much trouble.
[03:02] <eps> I don't want to get into a Coke vs. Pepsi argument. That's for end users to decide for themselves.
[03:03] <eps> Ubuntu has enough detractors as it is; they don't need to be given any more ammunition.
[03:05] <eps> The bottom line is, we should be building updated packages, testing them, and if they pass muster, those should be going into -updates.
[03:06] <eps> I can't think of anything else to add.
[03:07] <Darkwing> :D
[03:08] <Darkwing> I'm with ya
[03:13] <eps> Maybe you can help revitalize the Indiana Loco?
[03:20]  * pleia2 searches for a portland hotel room
[03:21] <eps> www.travelportland.com
[03:21] <pleia2> yeah, already used that ;)
[03:22] <pleia2> ones exist, just trying to fine one that's not awful or too painfully far
[03:25] <eps> Public transit is free in downtown Portland. The MAX doesn't suck. www.trimet.org
[03:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: ;) I have something for you from Jono when you arrive
[03:27] <pleia2> bkerensa: ah, the suspense! :)
[03:28] <pleia2> have fun tomorrow, good luck with the booth!
[03:28] <scientes> whens the meeting?
[03:28] <pleia2> scientes: we already had the meeting
[03:28] <scientes> oh damn i missed it again
[03:29] <scientes> eps, re: nvidia-current, i even moved to 302 or what-not, and my card was still totally broken, it broke a month before precise release
[03:29] <scientes> so i just use nouveau which blows on this card
[03:30] <eps> Unfortunately, nVidia's forums are down at the moment.
[03:40] <Darkwing> eps: Yeah, I've already been in contact with the co-founders. They are looking forward to turning it over to someone.
[03:41] <bkerensa> philipballew_: sup
[03:43] <bkerensa> pleia2: have you not found one yet?
[03:43] <bkerensa> a hotel?
[03:44] <pleia2> bkerensa: I didn't try very hard :) now looking
[03:44] <bkerensa> kk
[05:01] <pleia2> there, rooms
[05:02] <pleia2> staying near the airport first night, and a hotel downtown for thurs and fri
[05:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: you come in Wednesday right?
[05:15] <pleia2> bkerensa: wednesday night, so I won't really be around until Thursday morning
[05:16] <pleia2> (I have work Mon-Wed)
[05:16] <bkerensa> pleia2: Ping me if you need any directions or such
[05:16] <bkerensa> MAX is much easier than BART :P
[05:16] <bkerensa> and safer
[05:17] <pleia2> thanks :)
[05:17] <bkerensa> Cabs are usually very expensive
[05:18] <bkerensa> koolhead17 paid $30 to go a couple blocks
[05:18] <bkerensa> :P
[05:18] <pleia2> I actually have to get to another hotel thursday morning before the conference, so I might just cab it from one hotel to another since I'll have luggage :\
[05:18] <bkerensa> Try to get RadioCab
[05:18] <pleia2> ok
[05:18] <bkerensa> not Broadway Cab ever.... they have non-english speaking somali drivers mostly who will take you on a ride
[05:18] <bkerensa> =/
[05:18] <pleia2> so that's the one koolhead17 took? :)
[05:19] <bkerensa> I think he just took a flat rate one
[05:19] <pleia2> ah
[05:19] <bkerensa> They have some that are flat rate to downtown
[05:22] <pleia2> a cabby in NYC took me for a ride once (during HOPE actually), but I was only out $20 so it wasn't a huge deal coming from Philly where that would have been normal
[05:22] <pleia2> I didn't realize until later that I had overpaid
[05:23] <bkerensa> heh... I'm local and a Broadway cab took me and my fiancee a city in the wrong direction when we asked to simply go to our local mall... We asked several times for him to pull over so we could call another cab
[05:23] <bkerensa> in the end it cost us $40+ more
[05:23] <pleia2> yuck :(
[05:24] <bkerensa> We switched to Radio Cab after that since they only seem to have english speaking drivers but now we zipcar :)
[05:24] <pleia2> zipcar++
[06:00] <pleia2> philipballew__: I am loling at your tweets (oh my gosh, where are you staying?!)
[06:02] <philipballew__> in the getho here at a comfort inn. I was offered weed like 5 times in the block from the light rail to the hotel
[06:02] <philipballew__> its like 4 miles from the convention center
[06:03] <philipballew__> I really have nothing going on till wednesday so I have just been roaming around Portland but now I came back here and its kinda different then Auburn...
[06:03] <bkerensa> yeah Mark picked a bad motel
[06:03] <bkerensa> :P
[06:03] <bkerensa> anything East of 82nd Avenue is not good for living
[06:04] <philipballew__> I told a person on the bus its where I was getting off at, and she looked twice at me, then asked why.
[06:05] <pleia2> oh my :)
[06:05] <philipballew__> but they have free breakfast!
[06:05] <bkerensa> philipballew_: yeah I told Mark and the Fedora folks but Noooo they didnt want any help from a Local :P
[06:05] <philipballew__> Totally gonna get some breakfast tomorrow :)
[06:06] <bkerensa> philipballew_: where?
[06:06] <bkerensa> :P
[06:06] <bkerensa> oh at motel?
[06:06] <bkerensa> :d
[06:06] <philipballew__> the comfort inn
[06:06] <philipballew__> Its free :)
[06:06] <bkerensa> likely continental
[06:06] <bkerensa> so Donuts and OJ
[06:06] <bkerensa> ;p
[06:06] <philipballew__> youd think rh would put them up downtown
[06:06] <bkerensa> nah
[06:07] <bkerensa> its pretty packed till like Thurs and Friday
[06:07] <bkerensa> all the hotels next to OCC are sold out completely right now
[06:07] <philipballew__> hum, well the econo lodge  of mlk has room
[06:07] <bkerensa> which is better
[06:08] <bkerensa> better than Koolhead17's econo lodge :P
[06:08] <philipballew__> yeah, im not sure what is better
[06:08] <philipballew__> that had a jack in the box next to it
[06:09] <philipballew__> and since the beef is not real beef, he was able to have some
[06:09] <bkerensa> http://goo.gl/maps/diwM
[06:09] <darthrobot> [R: maps.google.com] Title: [Portland Gang Territory - Google Maps]
[06:09] <bkerensa> :D
[06:09] <philipballew__> bkerensa, don't worry, Im an og
[06:09] <bkerensa> philipballew_: not real?
[06:10] <bkerensa> philipballew_: yeaaaaah.... I'm not going walking in bad neighborhoods with you again :P
[06:10]  * bkerensa remembers you throwing up gang signs to a car full of African Americans :P
[06:10] <pleia2> really, it took me like 1.5 hours to get my hotel situation sorted this late, I got the *last* room in the Sheraton by the airport for wed night
[06:10] <pleia2> (and only via hotels.com, their own website was sold out)
[06:10] <bkerensa> pleia2: its not bad at all
[06:11] <philipballew__> bkerensa, I gotta represent my crew
[06:12]  * bkerensa is getting breakfast at OSCON I think
[06:13] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, I think I did fine hotel wise
[06:13] <pleia2> what is the food situation at oscon?
[06:13] <bkerensa> uhh
[06:13] <pleia2> I actually looked on the site earlier, but it was unclear :)
[06:13] <philipballew__> bkerensa,  I have pizza for lunch if anyone needs any
[06:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: so do you have a pass? and what kind?
[06:13] <pleia2> You are registered for 3-Day Pass (Wed-Fri).
[06:13] <bkerensa> ahh
[06:14] <pleia2> * Lunch (Wed-Thu)
[06:14] <bkerensa> so you should be able to get lunch those days
[06:14] <pleia2> ah
[06:14] <pleia2> yeah
[06:14] <bkerensa> and also all parties have food
[06:14]  * pleia2 nods
[06:14] <bkerensa> so that covers dinner... at least for me it does generally
[06:14] <bkerensa> Speakers get a lounge that has cold beverages and food all day plus breakfast :)
[06:14] <pleia2> I'm more worried about logistics than cost (I should find my own breakfast)
[06:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: so there are a lot of options within walking distance of the OCC
[06:15] <pleia2> that's good :)
[06:16] <bkerensa> Burgerville makes pretty decent breakfast and uses all local meat, eggs, cheese, veggies
[06:16] <bkerensa> :D
[06:16] <pleia2> cool
[06:16] <bkerensa> so philipballew_ you know the room that they do CLS in?
[06:18] <bkerensa> pleia2: are u going to the zoo while here?
[06:18] <pleia2> bkerensa: maybe :)
[06:18] <philipballew__> i think this whole city is a zoo
[06:18] <bkerensa> lol
[06:18] <bkerensa> philipballew_: you should go ZooBombing
[06:18] <bkerensa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoobomb
[06:18] <darthrobot> Title: [Zoobomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
[06:18] <bkerensa> ;p
[06:18] <pleia2> not actually sure what I'm doing with the friends on Saturday, zoo would be good
[06:18] <pleia2> philipballew__: hahah
[06:19] <bkerensa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVmq9dq6Nsg
[06:19] <darthrobot> Title: [Dream of the 90s - Portlandia on IFC - YouTube]
[06:19] <bkerensa> ^ pleia2 you see that ever?
[06:20] <pleia2> nope
[06:20] <bkerensa> lol
[06:20] <philipballew__> i prefer the dream of the suburbs is alive in Vancouver myself.
[06:21] <bkerensa> philipballew_: =/ The Couv is horrible.... I only go up there to grocery shop
[06:21] <bkerensa> ;p
[06:22] <philipballew__> I was in that area today, Its has nice people
[06:22] <philipballew__> portlandia is nice though
[06:22] <philipballew__> PUT A BIRD ON IT!
[06:23] <bkerensa> Go by street car
[06:23] <bkerensa> Keep portland weird
[06:23] <bkerensa> RCTID
[06:24] <philipballew__> street car?
[06:24] <bkerensa> philipballew_: its a local saying... "Go by street car"
[06:25] <bkerensa> philipballew_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzkEwPZWALA
[06:25] <darthrobot> Title: [Best Marriage Proposal EVER. -Portland Oregon (High Quality) - YouTube]
[06:25] <philipballew__> seems nice
[06:26] <philipballew__> I dont drive first
[06:26] <philipballew__> in fact, when I drove all those people home this morning, that was the first in several weeks
[06:26] <philipballew__> I should drive mo often
[06:27] <bkerensa> philipballew_: you drove Mark and his Entourage home?
[06:27] <philipballew__> yeah, I was the dd
[06:28] <philipballew__> mark was off with someone but I drove everyone else
[06:28] <philipballew__> Im pretty sure they have no idea though
[06:28] <bkerensa> lol
[06:28] <philipballew__> as they probably were not aware if what was going on
[07:02] <bkerensa> ohhh I found a sloppy bug :D
[19:09] <epikvision> hey guys, how do you install wordpress in ubuntu?
[19:11] <akk> I've never done it, but I would guess: sudo apt-get install wordpress
[19:11] <akk> There is a package for it.
[19:11] <epikvision> ok
[19:11] <epikvision> i downloaded the .tar.gz package
[19:11] <epikvision> is there a way to install from the desktop?
[19:12] <pleia2> if you download the tarball just follow the directions at http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress
[19:12] <darthrobot> Title: [Installing WordPress « WordPress Codex]
[19:12] <pleia2> (I don't use the package because I like running the latest version, the package in Ubuntu is an older version + security patches)
[19:13] <akk> But if you're unfamiliar with tar and installing tarballs, you might have better luck by sticking with the Ubuntu package.
[19:13] <epikvision> true.
[19:13] <pleia2> yeah, just read the docs in /usr/share/doc/wordpress/ to properly set it up in Ubuntu
[19:13] <akk> Ubuntu packages take care of dependencies and often handle minor installation details for you.
[19:14] <akk> (on the downside, they're not quite as current, so if you need something cutting edge in the absolute latest WP builds, you might need tha tarball.)
[19:15] <epikvision> I took akk's suggestion and installed wordpress.  If I install the tarball now, will it update the installed package?
[19:15] <akk> No.
[19:16] <akk> It'll most likely install a second completely different version in a different place.
[19:16] <epikvision> XD
[19:16] <akk> And maybe set things up so that both of them are running at startup.
[19:16] <epikvision> i'm gonna give the tarball a go.  How do I uninstall?
[19:16] <akk> apt-get purge wordpress
[19:16] <akk> add a sudo in front of that
[19:17] <epikvision> for the tar command, tar -xzvf, what does the x, z, v, and f stand for?
[19:17] <epikvision> just curious.
[19:18] <epikvision> oh wait!
[19:18] <epikvision> I'll use the man.
[19:18] <akk> \o/
[19:18] <pleia2> man pages can be hard to parse, but when it comes to looking up what flags mean - yes, you should use the man page :)
[19:19] <akk> And reading man pages is a good skill to learn.
[19:24] <epikvision> I hear that there are two ways to host a website: either having your own server or using a hosting provider.  What's the benefit of either?
[19:25] <akk> Having your own server: you have control over everything. Using someone else's server: it's not your fault when it breaks (or your job to fix it).
[19:25] <epikvision> guess there's a lot of manual work in owning a server.
[19:26] <akk> It's not that different from the work in a desktop -- either way you have to keep it updated and fix things that break.
[19:26] <akk> It's just a little more stressful with a server, because it HAS to have security updates, and if it breaks, no one can see your website until you fix it.
[19:26] <akk> (or you can't read your mail until you fix it, if it's a mail problem)
[19:27] <akk> I kept my website on a home server for years, but finally moved it to a hosting place because our DSL would go down when we were traveling
[19:27] <pleia2> there are also levels of "hosting provider" - you can get everything from a completely unmanaged server that someone else just physicaly runs (as a physical or virtual machine) where you get root, to a simple web-hosting account where all you get is a wordpress admin login
[19:27] <akk> and there's no way to fix that, so it was stress and depression on trips until we could get home and power-cycle the modem or call AT&T or whatever.
[19:29]  * epikvision sees
[19:30] <akk> epikvision: If your goal is to learn and play around with server stuff, running your own server is probably the way to go.
[19:30] <epikvision> O.O and buying the server itself?
[19:30] <epikvision> It would be an interesting experience.
[19:30] <akk> If your goal is to get a real website up that users will be using regularly, then it's worth considering both options.
[19:31] <akk> Buying? A server is just a computer -- you can use your desktop, or an old machine you've retired, or whatever.
[19:31] <akk> It's not like you need some special super breed of computer to be a server.
[19:32] <akk> Our home server right now is an old netbook we got on ebay for $200 or so ... before that it was a 6-year-old low-power Via board with no case.
[19:32] <akk> Here's the old Via machine (though it's no longer serving that domain): http://timocharis.com/doodles/server/index.html
[19:32] <darthrobot> Title: [The Physical Reality Of Timocharis.com]
[19:33] <pleia2> aww :)
[19:33] <pleia2> "my server hangs on my wall"
[19:33] <akk> I was a little sad to give up the "secure server"
[19:33] <akk> but the netbook is a lot faster and a little more power efficient.
[19:34] <akk> (We're nuts about power efficiency -- heck, the new machine is probably saving us 7 cents or so per month!!)
[19:34] <pleia2> hehe
[19:34] <akk> (obviously it's not about the cost)
[19:35] <scientes> akk, i use a sheevaplug as email server
[19:35] <pleia2> I keep browsing ARM boards for a low-power option to put in my fiance's colo space, he's got tons of bandwidth but just a little power...most of which is being used up by his giant 1U Xeon server
[19:36] <pleia2> so I can have space, if I use hardly any power :)
[19:36] <scientes> ahh yeah, get something omap w/ sata
[19:36] <scientes> or rather marvell w/ sata, like armada chipset
[19:38] <akk> We have a couple of plug computers (Marvell/arm) but don't run any servers off them. They can be kind of a pain to deal with.
[19:38] <scientes> well the armv7 ones are much faster
[19:38] <akk> My last job was at a company that used those, but not as public-facing web servers.
[19:38] <scientes> and sata is also neccicary
[19:40] <scientes> pleia2, you use powertop on the server?
[19:42] <pleia2> scientes: I'm not sure if he does
[19:43] <scientes> it tells you what processes are waking up the kernel and costing power
[19:44] <pleia2> yeah, I've used it before :)
[19:45] <pleia2> (mostly on laptops though, until now I haven't worried much about server power consumption since at work we don't have a limit)
[19:46] <scientes> you get a little more info on laptops, through acpi, about current power consumption, that you dont get on most desktops
[19:46]  * pleia2 nods
[19:50] <akk> Thanks for the reminder, I'd been meaning to do some powertop runs on the new netbook. Ubuntu seems to be getting rather poor battery life there.
[19:57] <akk> Actually the new powertop in pangolin is a lot harder to read, and no longer gives helpful suggestions. :(
[19:58] <akk> But there seems to be a big problem with the audio codec hwC0D0, whatever that means.
[20:03] <akk> 7.4W in squeeze, 8.89W in pangolin and toggling the "bad" tuneables doesn't seem to make any difference.
[20:08] <scientes> ouch ruby 1.8 is eating my battery
[20:08] <scientes> anyone know if there is a fix for cruby 1.8?
[20:08] <scientes> **power
[20:08] <scientes> no battery
[20:10] <akk> It must be ruby running some program - ruby is just a language.
[20:10] <scientes> akk, no i looked it up, the interpreter pool for it implamentation of green threads
[20:11] <akk> I have no ruby running at all.
[20:11] <scientes> yeah this is a server serving up rails
[20:11] <akk> ah
[20:11] <scientes> i absolutely need ruby 1.8
[20:12] <akk> yes, that does kind of need ruby :)
[20:12] <scientes> well ruby1.9 is probably good
[20:12] <scientes> but i need ruby 1.8, cause its legaly rails 2.3
[20:12] <scientes> *legacy
[20:14] <akk> ruby/rails versions used to be a big headache ... not sure if they still are.
[20:14] <akk> I remember on ubuntu I used to have to install nearly everything from source, because rails needed gems that ubuntu and debian didn't package.
[20:15] <akk> (and people who asked for them to be packaged got rudely insulted in the bug system)
[20:24] <scientes> akk, that pretty much how the ruby world works
[20:24] <scientes> even python is generally run that way with virtualenv
[20:40]  * akk gives up and goes back to squeeze, pangolin's powertop isn't giving any helpful suggestions about why pangolin eats so much power
[21:11] <scientes> akk, powertop 2 is in unstable, and i managed to compile from source on centos 6.2
[21:13] <akk> Will powertop 2 bring back some of the things the old powertop used to have?
[21:14] <akk> I'm finding this 1.97 a lot less useful than the old one.
[21:14] <akk> It has all these screens, but none of them give the info that the single screen used to.
[21:22] <scientes> idk i never used the old one
[21:25] <scientes> the new one segfaults on start on arm
[21:25] <scientes> unlike the old one
[21:25] <scientes> there is a patch on the bts
[21:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: you around?
[21:33] <epikvision> any developers around?
[21:33] <epikvision> 'cuz I need help trying to fix my first bug.
[21:35] <DonkeyHotei> so you need more specifically developers skilled in the spay/neuter of insects, then
[21:35] <epikvision> haha, yes
[21:36] <epikvision> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/1022935
[21:36] <darthrobot> Title: [Bug #1022935 “libpurple0 package description typo” : Bugs : “pidgin” package : Ubuntu]
[21:51] <scientes> epikvision, make it just suggest tcl and tk