[12:09] <gary_poster> bac benji frankban gmb http://tinyurl.com/yellowsquad in 2
[12:09] <gary_poster> make that 1
[12:09] <gmb> Yep
[12:30] <gary_poster> bac any suggestions for daily meeting checklist changes?
[12:38] <bac> gary_poster: no, i think it is fine.  my stumbling was due to its newness
[12:39] <gary_poster> bac, cool, thanks.  (I thought you did well with it.)
[12:45] <frankban> branch merged! bac: ready when you are.
[12:45] <bac> frankban: ok, i'm in our normal hangout
[12:47] <gary_poster> gmb, benji, since we have our first interview tomorrow, I'd like to spend some time today preparing.  I suggest we have a call when we are all available to agree on what we think we need for tomorrow, so we can be ready with it.
[12:48] <benji> gary_poster: sounds good
[12:49] <gmb> gary_poster, benji Agreed; I'm grabbing some lunch now and have a call with Francis scheduled for 14-15:00 UTC. Shall we get together in half an hour or so?
[12:50] <benji> +1
[12:50] <gary_poster> gmb, so, half past the hour.  sounds good
[12:50] <gmb> Cool.
[12:57] <bac> benji: frankban and i are having tb problems.  i'm initiating and he get 'waiting on server'.  ideas?
[12:59] <benji> bac: my first thought is to be sure you are using the same google IDs and that you have done the chat request/approve dance
[12:59] <bac> benji: yes
[13:00] <benji> hmm
[13:02] <benji> bac: maybe we can try this: you start the server sending to me and I'll start a client and then I'll start a server with him as the client, that way if one works and the other doesn't then we can at least know which half is having a problem
[13:05] <bac> benji: ok, i can try that in a moment.  we have a work around right now and are making progress on our real problem
[13:05] <benji> bac: k
[13:17] <bac> benji: i termbeam you now
[13:17] <benji> bac: I see your terminal
[13:18] <bac> weird
[13:18] <bac> benji: you try with frankban maybe
[13:19] <benji> yep
[13:20] <benji> frankban: will you run "tb --xmpp-receive=benji.york@gmail.com"
[13:21] <frankban> benji: it works
[13:21] <benji> cool
[13:21] <benji> I wonder why it isn't working for you and bac.
[13:22] <benji> Have you guys used tb together before?
[13:22] <frankban> benji: no, IIRC
[13:22] <frankban> aargh, shut up empathy!
[13:23] <benji> I would double-check the google talk authorization step.
[13:34] <gary_poster> benji, gmb, how are we doing?  I still have a couple of things I was hoping to get done before the call but if we all can meet we probably should
[13:35] <gmb> gary_poster: If we could meet now that would work better for me; I'm cramming commitments like cats in a sack this afternoon.
[13:35] <gary_poster> gmb understood
[13:35] <gary_poster> benji, now ok?
[13:35] <benji> gary_poster: sure, preparing and then I'll be there
[13:36] <gmb> Yellow hangout?
[13:36] <gary_poster> gmb, I think it is being used.  benji, gmb, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/cdcfe59b2165dc9a7566d519c86d41e9ad53e5ca?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[13:36] <gmb> kk
[13:49] <gary_poster> benji, for instance you were not willing to continnue speaking with us
[15:41] <frankban> gary_poster: I've seen that haveged is installed by default by init-lxc: is this something we want? or should we restore the old flag that was used to activate that?
[15:43] <gary_poster> frankban, I think we want it--it was my call, one way or another.  Given that it appears to be safe, and it makes parallel tests work, and if you are using LXC there's a high probability that you will care about parallel tests, I think making it installed by default is reasonable.  I'd be fine with an option to disable installing it.  I'd also be fine with you telling me why I'm wrong. :-)
[15:44] <gary_poster> s/I think we want it/I think we want haveged installed by default/
[15:47] <frankban> gary_poster: I don't think you are wrong. I just worry about developers (wanting to use lxc for development) complaining about "why do you want to install another service in my host"...
[15:48] <gary_poster> frankban, I think that's a generic problem we'll need for a lot of the changes.  We still need to address the developer story plans.  I think (describe action, give rationale, allow opt-out) might be a reasonable general approach
[15:49] <frankban> gary_poster: agreed
[15:49] <gary_poster> cool
[16:08] <frankban> gary_poster: do you have a minute?
[16:08] <gary_poster> sure frankban
[16:08] <frankban> yellow hangout?
[16:09] <gary_poster> cool
[16:58] <gary_poster> gmb hiya
[16:58] <gmb> gary_poster: Hi
[16:58] <gary_poster> I am about to send ashleigh an email saying our appointments are now booked
[16:58] <gary_poster> once Derek moves an hour earlier
[16:59] <gary_poster> Unless you want to schedule anyone late in your dat
[16:59] <gary_poster> day
[16:59] <gmb> gary_poster: Lemme just check, on minute...
[16:59] <gary_poster> after 17:30 Wed, Thurs or Fri, basically
[16:59] <gary_poster> UTC
[17:00] <gmb> gary_poster: So, Derek's going to be 13:30 to 16:00 on Thursday?
[17:01] <gary_poster> gmb 13:30-15:00
[17:01] <gmb> (UTC)
[17:01] <gary_poster> that's the hope
[17:01] <gmb> Argh
[17:01] <gmb> Yes.
[17:01] <gmb> gary_poster: Okay. Assuming that then, I'm fine with everything as it's scheduled.
[17:02] <gary_poster> gmb, great.  So you agree that I should say "we're booked," right?  The remaining time of overlap with you on Thursday and Friday is already booked for me with the communication position interviews
[17:02] <gmb> gary_poster: Yes, I agree we're booked :)
[17:03] <gary_poster> cool, thanks :-)
[17:04] <gary_poster> gmb, another thing we should talk about is how you want benji and me to keep the ball rolling while you are gone.  We can do that tomorrow, but should not forget
[17:04] <gmb> Yes, indeed.
[17:52] <bac> gary_poster: good news:  lp-setup install-lxc -B lp:~bac/lpsetup/from-branch worked.
[17:52] <bac> so install-lxc worked on a fresh machine with no problems and no intervention.
[17:52] <bac> is that a first?
[17:53] <gary_poster> bac, it is! :-) congrats!
[17:53] <bac> thanks to frankban recognizing we needed get_su_command
[17:55] <gary_poster> ah cool
[18:01] <bac> should anyone care to do a review: https://code.launchpad.net/~bac/lpsetup/from-branch/+merge/115405
[19:08] <bac> benji: would you have time to look at my very compact MP?
[19:08] <benji> bac: sure
[19:09] <bac> thanks.  i know you had a full day of reviewing yesterday.
[19:22] <gary_poster> back in 30
[19:29] <benji> bac: why do the tempfile.NamedTemporaryFile dance instead of just tempfile.mkdtemp?
[19:29] <bac> benji: b/c that would make a directory and then i'd have to check out using --use-existing-dir
[19:30] <bac> so, it seemed about the same to me
[19:30] <benji> ahh, gotcha
[19:30] <benji> bac: in that case tempfile.mktemp seems appropriate (despite the giant security warnings)
[19:31] <bac> ok
[19:31] <bac> i avoid it since it seems scary
[19:32] <benji> it is equivilent to what you're doing though, right?  you just want a name that doesn't exist, plus the security implications are lessoned since you are creating a directory in the person's home dir
[19:49] <bac> benji, yes, i just want a name
[19:57] <bac> benji: any other changes?
[19:58] <benji> bac: nope; I'll approve the MP
[19:58] <bac> thx
[20:32] <benji> I am totally not going to get to work on my card again today.
[20:47] <benji> gary_poster (and gmb): here are my interview bits: https://pastebin.canonical.com/70285/