[11:34] <jamespage> jibel, I think that tomcat test failure is related to the fact that tomcat7 has not actually completed startup by the time the test runs....
[11:35] <jamespage> jibel, OK if I increase the pre-test sleep time to 60 seconds?  I think that may work around this problem
[11:36] <jamespage> gema, ^^
[11:36] <jamespage> not sure where babyface is....
[11:36] <gema> jamespage: babyface is in china, so probably sleeping or about to
[11:36] <gema> jamespage: sounds good
[11:37] <gema> jamespage: is it normal that tomcat7 takes longer to load?
[11:38] <jamespage> gema, it takes about ~32 seconds on a m1.small in canonistack
[11:38] <jamespage> its doing a bit more as I have enabled all examples to work this cycle - so it loads more code...
[11:38] <gema> jamespage: ack, if it is expected I am happy
[11:40] <jamespage> gema, I suspect it was probably always close - looking now at tomcat6
[11:52] <jamespage> gema, yes - looks like a change in behaviour when generating some randomness during initialization after reboot
[11:53] <jamespage> gema, Creation of SecureRandom instance for session ID generation using [SHA1PRNG] took [3,527] milliseconds.
[11:53] <jamespage> my laptop
[11:53] <jamespage> that takes about ~30seconds in a virtualized/cloud instance
[11:54] <jibel> jamespage, that's what I've been testing. No problem with incresing to 60s
[11:55] <jamespage> jibel, done - I've just re-run the jobs...
[11:55] <jamespage> we will see
[18:56] <phillw> skaet: ping
[18:56] <skaet> hiya phillw
[18:58] <phillw> hi skaet, A quick Q.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule shows A3 still being tested at August 2nd  A-3; iso tracker says July 23rd through July 26th is Alpha 3 testing.
[18:58] <phillw> They can't both be right!
[18:59] <skaet> phillw,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule has it july 26
[18:59] <skaet> stale cache?
[18:59] <phillw> skaet: indeed, but also has it still there being tested at week 14!
[19:00] <phillw> with Iteration planned for week 15
[19:01] <skaet> phillw,  are you sure you're not picking up cached versions?
[19:01] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock
[19:02] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[19:02] <skaet> both show july 26 (week 14) for me.
[19:02] <phillw> skaet: I've just cleared my chache. A3 is flagged as launch week 13, still there week 14 & iteration seek 15.
[19:02] <skaet> or rather july 26 (week 13) for me.
[19:03] <skaet> ah,  I see what you're referencing now.
[19:03] <phillw> s/seek/week
[19:03] <skaet> yeah,  there's an A-3/interation week that need fixing.
[19:03]  * skaet doing
[19:04] <phillw> hmm, should make it fun. Next lubuntu meeting is on 25th July - which I had as 8 days before A3 switched :(
[19:04] <phillw> Ah well, it will make for interesting meeting!
[19:11] <skaet> phillw,  A3 changed on 5/30 after discussion in the weekly meeting, etc. when we removed the "DRAFT" notification  (rev. 32).
[19:13] <phillw> I recall Release Schedule causing a slight nightmare for some one last cycle... well, this time it is Lubuntu's turn :D I'm just letting our devs and testers know that my earlier email stating that we had 8 days as of the next meeting is now 1 day :)
[19:14] <phillw> fortunately they're all on the L-QA mailing list, so an easy way to ensure all are notified!
[19:19] <phillw> Still, at least Feature Freeze etc hasn't moved :)
[19:24] <phillw> balloons: ping
[19:25] <balloons> si senor phillw !
[19:26] <phillw> hiyas, did you get any further information on bug 1007394
[19:28] <balloons> phillw, I saw someone asking for more information
[19:28] <balloons> stgraber, I believe
[19:28] <balloons> I didn't followup after that
[19:28] <balloons> weird
[19:28] <balloons> I didn't get any of those response
[19:28] <balloons> I'm subscribed?
[19:29] <balloons> You are not directly subscribed to this bug's notifications.
[19:29] <balloons> whoops
[19:29] <phillw> he he, cj was the last person to ask for info, which Lars furnished.
[19:30] <balloons> ok, I'm up to speed more now
[19:30] <balloons> it looks like the bug is progressing fine
[19:30] <xnox> balloons: phillw: I was advised to troubleshoot in emulated powerpc vm
[19:30] <xnox> but I didn't get around to it yet.
[19:30] <balloons> ohh really?
[19:30] <balloons> I've not tried doing that since BOSCH
[19:30] <balloons> remember that project?
[19:30] <xnox> who is BOSCH?
[19:30] <xnox> I though of using qemu
[19:31] <balloons> sorry.. http://bochs.sourceforge.net/
[19:31] <balloons> I mistyped
[19:31] <balloons> doesn't help in this situation anyways ;-)
[19:31] <phillw> xnox: the instructions for VM are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPC%26Mac64 if you're rusty :)
[19:32] <phillw> That is how our head of dev does his testing.
[19:33] <balloons> phillw, neat pae
[19:33] <balloons> *page
[19:33] <stgraber> replied to the bug
[19:34] <phillw> balloons: the instructions were written by gilir (Julien). I take no credit for them, I just posted them on there from the email he sent out.
[19:35] <phillw> thanks stgraber
[19:36] <phillw> wb balloons
[19:36] <balloons> whoops.. ctrl+w in wrong window :-)
[19:37] <phillw> he he, I thought you were maybe using the trekweb znc server. It's in the process of being moved to a VM on thesii owing to fact his 'old' server keeps dying on him.
[19:38] <balloons> nah, I'm on boring ec2
[19:38] <xnox> balloons: boring, until thunderstorms roll in ;-)
[19:39] <balloons> xnox, lol.. so true
[19:39] <balloons> my connectivity stayed up though, so I can't complain
[19:39] <balloons> even if I lost actual access
[19:40] <phillw> he did say that he was going to leave trekweb web area on EC2, although he does have room to move it at a future date if he needs to.
[19:41] <phillw> as  trekcaptainusa-tw@ubuntu.com seems to be the ubuntu maintainer for znc, it was the least we could do for him after he helped in setting up irc.thesii.org :)
[19:42] <phillw> oh, balloons, the devs for Speech Control have now been officially nagged to get me some details as to how to install the beta & test it!
[19:43] <balloons> hurray!
[19:43] <phillw> we have a trustees meeting in 18 minutes, so  I will ask the dev-trustee how things are coming along :)
[19:43] <balloons> lol.. cool, he's the znc guy eh?
[19:44] <balloons> I still don't know how to mod my config (without using webmin) to setup multiple networks
[19:44] <phillw> yup, he did try to get it built on CentOS to add a platoform, but ran out of time owing the server failure & his VM is now ubuntu-server.
[19:46] <phillw> TheLordOftime (or LoT), does not appear to be on IRC at the moment. You'll find him on #sii when he is.
[19:47] <balloons> TheLordofTime..
[19:47] <balloons> hmm, pretty sure I've met him
[19:47] <balloons> I'll have to remember to bug him
[19:47] <phillw> he was last seen muttering about having to scp a load of stuff from the dying server onto the VM
[19:48] <phillw> he's a really nice guy - one of the other pre-requisites for getting a VM with SII :P
[19:51] <balloons> :-)
[19:53] <phillw> he used to be EvilResistance on IRC, but changed his nick.
[19:54] <phillw> he's also one of the bug-squad people & I have permission to 'bug' him if I have a valid reason for, say, moving the importance of bug 1007394 to critical. As you did not give permission, I did not :)
[20:00] <phillw> another net split :( Is everyone updating their CentOS servers? :P
[20:00] <balloons> heheheh
[20:02] <phillw> we've just switched to 6.3..... new kernel, and 631 updates :D
[20:32] <phillw> balloons: did you get chance to have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/GettingInvolved/MoreInfo ?
[20:33] <phillw> is back from meeting... devs have a nightmare :) Create documents that humans can understand :P
[20:33] <balloons> phillw, briefly
[20:33] <balloons> I made some changes last night that i just went ahead and migrated
[20:34] <phillw> i saw the late date stamp on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/GettingInvolved/ but never know what TZ it is in!
[20:35] <balloons> hehe
[20:35] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/GettingInvolved/ and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ are the same
[20:35] <balloons> I just pushed the changes
[20:35] <balloons> your stuff I think can be linked to somehow
[20:36] <phillw> I stripped out stuff that was already on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/GettingInvolved/ and just left it as.... well more info with an explanation to how release cycle works.
[20:37] <balloons> yes, I think that's a good angle to attack
[20:37] <balloons> a sort of what to expect page
[20:38] <phillw> balloons: he he, we do have a gruesome on on Lubuntu for newcommers .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/TheStages
[20:38] <balloons> Let me edit it a bit more
[20:38] <phillw> wasn't sure if that is 18 rated, though :)
[20:51] <balloons> phillw, ok, I really gutted it down
[20:51] <balloons> time to see what can be added back
[20:52] <phillw> okies, which one(s) did you gut?.... brb, dog wants out!
[20:57] <phillw> back :)
[20:57] <balloons> still haven't hit save
[20:58] <balloons> very close!
[20:58] <phillw> he he :)
[21:02] <balloons> ok, there's a big shift
[21:03] <balloons> I took out much of the bottom half, as it's also described on the activities page and I wanted to keep it small
[21:03] <balloons> however, there may be room to bring it back in, or bring some english like descriptions back anyway
[21:03] <balloons> have a look
[21:03] <balloons> of course we have backups :-)
[21:04] <balloons> I know there's other things people should know that we could add to that page
[21:04] <balloons> but I don't want to overload too much :-)
[21:06] <balloons> ok, a couple more minor edits
[21:07] <balloons> ok, I think that's a shell of what i'mn after
[21:07] <balloons> have a look
[21:08] <balloons> there's room to add back some of the content in a more condensed form if possible I think