| rick_h_ | greg-g: <3 re your twitter post. I've tossed small rocks at cars flying by in our neighborhood | 00:18 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_ | my neighbor and I keep threatening to manually cement a speed bump. | 00:18 |
| greg-g | +1 | 00:29 |
| greg-g | :) | 00:29 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Cranky old man much? :) | 02:00 |
| rick_h_ | I want to actually send the maker of the count of monte cristo movie to the gallows | 03:10 |
| rick_h_ | horrific | 03:10 |
| snap-l | good morning | 10:36 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | hows the weather today and morning | 11:03 |
| snap-l | Hot | 11:08 |
| snap-l | I'm sweating at my desk | 11:08 |
| snap-l | Last updated Jul 17, 2012 - 06:53 AM EDT / 2012.07.17 1053 UTC | 11:08 |
| snap-l | Temperature: 79.0 F (26.1 C) | 11:08 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | yep was 79 all nite up here too | 11:17 |
| brousch | Wow, tired. Who has some caffeine for me? | 11:49 |
| rick_h_ | not here, not yet | 11:50 |
| brousch | We had our first female attendee at GRPUG last night | 11:54 |
| rick_h_ | awesome | 11:55 |
| brousch | yeah | 11:55 |
| brousch | Even at GRWebDev we only have about 10% female attendance | 11:58 |
| shakes808 | morning | 12:07 |
| rick_h_ | morn | 12:07 |
| brousch | hehehe https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-17%20at%208.13.24%20AM.png | 12:14 |
| shakes808 | http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/e02a180e-33aa-4ab4-8bed-a2091b213dac/get-2-in-mp3s-via-amazon-exp-07-23#0 | 12:17 |
| shakes808 | brousch: HA HA nice | 12:17 |
| === randy_ is now known as JaceAlvejetti | ||
| snap-l | Morning part 2 | 13:03 |
| snap-l | Love the conference call music here | 13:03 |
| snap-l | And by love, I mean it's the least offensive I've heard in a while | 13:03 |
| snap-l | though it's only one song | 13:04 |
| shakes808 | snap-l: Is this your card? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJkxFhFRFDA | 13:05 |
| snap-l | shakes808: I wish | 13:08 |
| snap-l | At least it would be Stan Getz | 13:09 |
| shakes808 | :D Gotta love the classics | 13:09 |
| snap-l | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evilhat/race-to-adventure-a-spirit-of-the-centurytm-board/posts/268363?ref=email&show_token=a385c1c2c7b42385 | 13:25 |
| brousch | I just realized I'm using OSX and Eclipse for PyOhio. rick_h_ is going to dragon kick me in the head | 13:30 |
| rick_h_ | I'm defeated today, you can get away with anything. I'll be hiding in my office closet | 13:30 |
| brousch | Ut oh | 13:30 |
| * rick_h_ is having a 'just go back to bed' morning/week | 13:31 | |
| snap-l | rick_h_: That good, eh? | 13:31 |
| rick_h_ | yea, just performed my second rollback this week | 13:31 |
| brousch | rick_h_: Did you sign Bookie up for sprints? | 13:31 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, we were the first | 13:32 |
| rick_h_ | and expanded this year | 13:32 |
| rick_h_ | hopefully can get some people interested | 13:32 |
| brousch | Cool | 13:32 |
| brousch | LAst year was all spent installing it | 13:32 |
| rick_h_ | yea, this year Iv'e got the new install process with Make, the pypi mirror on my laptop, and the side projects breadability/bookie_parser | 13:33 |
| brousch | Brondsema put together a Virtualbox VM so we could hack on Allura last night. That went in fast | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | so should be much better this year hopefully | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | ah interesting, and put it on a usb disk kind of thing? | 13:33 |
| brousch | Oh, right, forgot about the download issues last year | 13:34 |
| brousch | Yeah, usb | 13:34 |
| brousch | He actually used Vagrant for VM | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, i hope to make it kidn of easy to get going | 13:34 |
| snap-l | I'll be interested to see what they've done with Allra since I left. | 13:44 |
| rick_h_ | apache :) | 13:46 |
| brousch | snap-l: Brondsema isn't coming to PyOhio, so you'll have to find out on your own | 13:47 |
| snap-l | Bastard | 13:48 |
| brousch | Heh | 13:48 |
| brousch | The VM is available through the Allura docs if you really want to look | 13:49 |
| snap-l | Nah, I was more interested in just talking with Brondsema | 13:58 |
| brousch | snap-l: How the heck does he do that machine-gun kick drum? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbPSR7rAdxI | 14:44 |
| brousch | Holy crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQMQbHdlzM | 14:45 |
| snap-l | brousch: It's just practice | 15:04 |
| snap-l | I have a double pedal that I use on my kit. I've gotten pretty high up in speed, but it's been about 10 years since I've played. | 15:05 |
| rick_h_ | *sigh* http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/2012/07/17/twitter-crashes-itself-with-commas?1 | 15:06 |
| brousch | When I've tried my son's drum, I'm really slow on the bass | 15:06 |
| snap-l | I used to have a lot more control with my right foot. I'd drum most of Neil Peart's stuff with one pedal because that's all I had. | 15:08 |
| brousch | rick_h_: wtf | 15:08 |
| brousch | Is this the next newline vs semicolon flareup? | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | appears so I guess | 15:08 |
| snap-l | I don't quite understand this semicolon hate | 15:09 |
| snap-l | seriously, end of line = semicolon | 15:09 |
| Blazeix | this is linked in the comments: http://blog.vjeux.com/2011/javascript/javascript-comma-trick.html | 15:09 |
| snap-l | stop getting fancy. | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | yea, evidently their IDE can't dedent blocks of code easily | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | so it's easier to not use {} and add a comma to every line or something | 15:10 |
| snap-l | If you want to write things without { }, use Python | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | I don't get it myself on the compiler side | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | you lose the {} but add a , for each line in the block | 15:10 |
| Blazeix | the , is replacing ; though | 15:10 |
| Blazeix | not that i'm in favor of this style | 15:11 |
| rick_h_ | ah, yea | 15:11 |
| rick_h_ | so you lose the {} and still have a line ending I guess | 15:11 |
| snap-l | I wonder when Douglas Crawford is going to change jslint so whenever you do something like this, it sends him your lat / long so he can come to your house and beat the crap out of you. | 15:11 |
| rick_h_ | I'm going to write jsbitch and it'll be so mean to you that you'll be looking over your shoulder every time you write a line of JS | 15:12 |
| snap-l | "I see you used commas for your statements. I'll bet your mom lays out your Garanamals every morning. Man up, tiger-britches and put in some fucking semi colons" | 15:13 |
| Blazeix | it's apparently legit enough that google's closure compile does it | 15:26 |
| Blazeix | this: http://vpaste.net/IAGHw?ft=javascript is compiled to this: http://closure-compiler.appspot.com/code/jsc8e6593026fb0bbf4f507e59544531aa1/default.js | 15:27 |
| snap-l | Damn minifiers | 15:29 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: right, I was just trying to get my head around the 'doing x saves y% of space' | 15:33 |
| rick_h_ | but then again this is why I still just do jsmin vs all the heavier compilers | 15:34 |
| brousch | commas are smaller than semicolons. You gain about a period of space | 15:34 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 15:34 |
| snap-l | There are idiot web developers who are using commas in place of semicolons because they need to be free to express their individual idiocy. It turns out there are consequences. | 16:25 |
| snap-l | -- Douglas Crockford | 16:25 |
| snap-l | https://plus.google.com/118095276221607585885/posts/74ZcpCQcio7 | 16:40 |
| snap-l | Are we having fun yet? | 16:58 |
| snap-l | https://ting.com/blog/ics-update-for-ting-samsung-galaxy-sii-owners/ | 17:03 |
| snap-l | YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY! | 17:03 |
| snap-l | https://ting.com/blog/is-my-android-update-ready-yet/ | 17:04 |
| snap-l | So, at some point ICS will be on my phone | 17:11 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 17:11 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: re: ICS, or commagate? | 17:12 |
| * brousch groans at commagate | 17:13 | |
| rick_h_ | ics | 17:13 |
| snap-l | Hey, it's better than comma comma comma chameleon | 17:13 |
| brousch | I think you're missing a couple commas | 17:14 |
| snap-l | Doug Crockford Knows, Exception Throw-oh ohs. | 17:14 |
| snap-l | Couldn't use semicolons and braces please? They're the bees knees, no commas please-ease. | 17:15 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I'm not holding my breath, but it's nice to know they're still thinking about it. :) | 17:16 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: quit casuing trouble asking questions on launchpad blog posts :P | 17:55 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: you're supposed to be oscon'ing | 17:55 |
| greg-g | leave for SFO in about an hour and half, plenty of time to cause trouble ;) | 17:56 |
| rick_h_ | curses! | 17:56 |
| jrwren | is ting that cool carrier you are using snap-l ? | 18:14 |
| jrwren | they pay as you go? | 18:14 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Yep | 18:17 |
| snap-l | More like pay for what you use, and get refunded for what you don't. | 18:17 |
| snap-l | (Aside: I hate it when I find a band that releases their music for free, but it's not CC) | 18:17 |
| snap-l | www.aeons.lt | 18:18 |
| rick_h_ | dammit, I hate people that ruin the coffee shop | 18:25 |
| snap-l | jrwren: https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ is my referrer URL if you decide to join up with Ting. | 18:28 |
| snap-l | $25 for you, $25 for me | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | don't do it, it's a pyramid scheme! :P | 18:28 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Pthhhhpt | 18:28 |
| snap-l | If it is, it's the first one that hasn't made me throw up in my mouth | 18:29 |
| snap-l | speaking of coffee-shop ruiners. ;) | 18:29 |
| rick_h_ | hah! | 18:29 |
| snap-l | http://ting.com/twig <- I think this will give you $50 off the price of your device. | 18:29 |
| snap-l | Not sure if that's still in effect or not | 18:30 |
| jrwren | free as in beer, not as in speech - music free v. cc music | 18:34 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Yeah, there's plenty of bands I would love to play if they'd release as CC | 18:44 |
| snap-l | amazing bands, not on a label | 18:44 |
| _stink_ | snap-l: do you typically talk with those bands personally about it? or just wait and hope they release something as CC? | 19:29 |
| snap-l | Depends on the band | 19:29 |
| snap-l | sometimes I will | 19:30 |
| snap-l | so far not much luck in getting them to switch | 19:30 |
| _stink_ | for the ones you talk with, what kind of reactions do you get? | 19:30 |
| _stink_ | like other than outcome | 19:30 |
| _stink_ | do any get angry or somesuch? | 19:30 |
| snap-l | Usually they just say "well, it's out for free" | 19:31 |
| _stink_ | hmm | 19:31 |
| snap-l | or "Go ahead and play it" | 19:31 |
| snap-l | which misses the point | 19:31 |
| _stink_ | yeah | 19:31 |
| _stink_ | ok, just curious. | 19:31 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I usually don't call the bands out, because I'd rather not have a pile-on for their license. | 19:31 |
| snap-l | I've had a handful of bands change, but they generally initiated contact | 19:32 |
| snap-l | I got contacted by this band's promoter to play music on my show. | 19:33 |
| snap-l | http://titanseve.bandcamp.com/album/life-apocalypse | 19:34 |
| snap-l | explained that I'd love to, but it's not CC | 19:34 |
| snap-l | I think the biggest problem with CC is the thought that if it's somehow CC, you can't charge money for it | 19:34 |
| snap-l | or people won't pay you for it | 19:35 |
| snap-l | And then I have folks in the podcaster-sphere that bitch whenever I play something that is "behind a paywall" | 19:35 |
| _stink_ | heh, you can't win. | 19:37 |
| snap-l | Well, I'd like to err on the side of the artists being able to make back their costs | 19:38 |
| snap-l | I've also seen bands lock up their later output because they need to make money | 19:41 |
| snap-l | and say "I'm releasing this [without CC] because I need to make my costs" | 19:41 |
| snap-l | breaks my heart. | 19:42 |
| snap-l | mostly because it makes it harder for me to make a show. ;) | 19:42 |
| snap-l | but also because I can't promote their later stuff | 19:43 |
| snap-l | I get nervous when I see CC bands I like release their next album because it's a crap-shoot if it'll remain CC | 19:43 |
| _stink_ | i wonder how successful that is for them. | 19:44 |
| _stink_ | the change in license | 19:44 |
| _stink_ | away from CC | 19:44 |
| snap-l | I'm not sure | 19:44 |
| snap-l | I've seen some bands relent (Returning We Hear the Larks) | 19:44 |
| snap-l | I've seen other bands release their debut under CC, and then nothing else (Diablo Swing Orchestra) | 19:45 |
| snap-l | Though I think Diablo Swing Orchestra got signed to Candlelight Records | 19:50 |
| Milyardo | Irony:Switch away from CC to cover cost when signing up with a label, end up with more debt than before. | 20:06 |
| snap-l | Sadly | 20:09 |
| snap-l | Have seen more than one band drop their label for lack of support | 20:10 |
| snap-l | I swear, Excel loves to screw with me. | 20:12 |
| brousch | Whew. Just went through creating a Django app on Heroku again, including handling static files | 20:16 |
| brousch | I was smart and wrote it down this time | 20:16 |
| snap-l | Fuck | 20:20 |
| snap-l | Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck | 20:20 |
| snap-l | Figured out a color issue I've been having with Excel for several days now. | 20:20 |
| snap-l | Figured out a color issue I've been having with Excel for several days now. | 20:20 |
| snap-l | Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck | 20:20 |
| snap-l | Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck | 20:20 |
| snap-l | Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck | 20:21 |
| _stink_ | isn't that a good thing? | 20:22 |
| brousch | snap-l: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-xKUU5sWS4 | 20:22 |
| snap-l | Those note were written by God and handed down to the greatest band in the world, the motherfuckin' TIME. | 20:27 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Other than it being Excel, this would be a good thing | 20:28 |
| PainBank | snap-l: thanks, needed that | 20:28 |
| snap-l | Thank brousch for the video. :) | 20:29 |
| brousch | This just opened and is literally the closest restaurant to my house. http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2012/07/kill_some_bad_guys_for_dinner.html | 20:33 |
| snap-l | brousch: Expect it to close in 2 years | 20:33 |
| snap-l | Neat concept, but it'll get overrun with douchebags and kids | 20:34 |
| brousch | It moved into a former restaurant building that had been abandonded for at least 2 years | 20:34 |
| brousch | Why would it close if it's overrun with patrons? | 20:34 |
| snap-l | Ah, right, it's in GR | 20:35 |
| snap-l | nevermind. It'll be overrun with with nice people who say please and thank you. | 20:35 |
| snap-l | was thinking of Detroit, where we can't have nice things. | 20:35 |
| brousch | It's snuggled up to a douchey apartment complex | 20:36 |
| snap-l | http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17t3pb8sle9t9jpg/original.jpg < -Steve Wozniak's backpack | 21:43 |
| rick_h_ | I'd hate to see his wireless bills | 21:46 |
| greg-g | stupid | 21:47 |
| snap-l | He probably gets special dispensation for just carrying their device. :) | 21:47 |
| snap-l | Apparently he uses every one of them | 21:48 |
| snap-l | First thing I can think of: when will they have multiple-sim phones | 21:48 |
| greg-g | sure | 21:48 |
| snap-l | There's no reason to have to carry two wireless devices for work / home | 21:48 |
| greg-g | didn't I see a commecial where sprint had a phone that had two settings, one for work and one for personal, it kept the apps/sync accounts separate somehow? | 21:49 |
| snap-l | greg-g: That's what I'd like to have | 21:50 |
| rick_h_ | yea, they make some like that | 22:01 |
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