[00:18] <rick_h_> greg-g: <3 re your twitter post. I've tossed small rocks at cars flying by in our neighborhood
[00:18] <rick_h_> my neighbor and I keep threatening to manually cement a speed bump.
[00:29] <greg-g> +1
[00:29] <greg-g> :)
[02:00] <snap-l> rick_h_: Cranky old man much? :)
[03:10] <rick_h_> I want to actually send the maker of the count of monte cristo movie to the gallows
[03:10] <rick_h_> horrific
[10:36] <snap-l> good morning
[11:03] <mydogsnameisrudy> hows the weather today and morning
[11:08] <snap-l> Hot
[11:08] <snap-l> I'm sweating at my desk
[11:08] <snap-l> Last updated Jul 17, 2012 - 06:53 AM EDT / 2012.07.17 1053 UTC
[11:08] <snap-l>    Temperature: 79.0 F (26.1 C)
[11:17] <mydogsnameisrudy> yep was 79 all nite up here too
[11:49] <brousch> Wow, tired. Who has some caffeine for me?
[11:50] <rick_h_> not here, not yet
[11:54] <brousch> We had our first female attendee at GRPUG last night
[11:55] <rick_h_> awesome
[11:55] <brousch> yeah
[11:58] <brousch> Even at GRWebDev we only have about 10% female attendance
[12:07] <shakes808> morning
[12:07] <rick_h_> morn
[12:14] <brousch> hehehe https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-17%20at%208.13.24%20AM.png
[12:17] <shakes808> http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/e02a180e-33aa-4ab4-8bed-a2091b213dac/get-2-in-mp3s-via-amazon-exp-07-23#0
[12:17] <shakes808> brousch: HA HA nice
[13:03] <snap-l> Morning part 2
[13:03] <snap-l> Love the conference call music here
[13:03] <snap-l> And by love, I mean it's the least offensive I've heard in a while
[13:04] <snap-l> though it's only one song
[13:05] <shakes808> snap-l: Is this your card? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJkxFhFRFDA
[13:08] <snap-l> shakes808: I wish
[13:09] <snap-l> At least it would be Stan Getz
[13:09] <shakes808> :D Gotta love the classics
[13:25] <snap-l> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evilhat/race-to-adventure-a-spirit-of-the-centurytm-board/posts/268363?ref=email&amp;show_token=a385c1c2c7b42385
[13:30] <brousch> I just realized I'm using OSX and Eclipse for PyOhio. rick_h_ is going to dragon kick me in the head
[13:30] <rick_h_> I'm defeated today, you can get away with anything. I'll be hiding in my office closet
[13:30] <brousch> Ut oh
[13:31]  * rick_h_ is having a 'just go back to bed' morning/week
[13:31] <snap-l> rick_h_: That good, eh?
[13:31] <rick_h_> yea, just performed my second rollback this week
[13:31] <brousch> rick_h_: Did you sign Bookie up for sprints?
[13:32] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, we were the first
[13:32] <rick_h_> and expanded this year
[13:32] <rick_h_> hopefully can get some people interested
[13:32] <brousch> Cool
[13:32] <brousch> LAst year was all spent installing it
[13:33] <rick_h_> yea, this year Iv'e got the new install process with Make, the pypi mirror on my laptop, and the side projects breadability/bookie_parser
[13:33] <brousch> Brondsema put together a Virtualbox VM so we could hack on Allura last night. That went in fast
[13:33] <rick_h_> so should be much better this year hopefully
[13:33] <rick_h_> ah interesting, and put it on a usb disk kind of thing?
[13:34] <brousch> Oh, right, forgot about the download issues last year
[13:34] <brousch> Yeah, usb
[13:34] <brousch> He actually used Vagrant for VM
[13:34] <rick_h_> but yea, i hope to make it kidn of easy to get going
[13:44] <snap-l> I'll be interested to see what they've done with Allra since I left.
[13:46] <rick_h_> apache :)
[13:47] <brousch> snap-l: Brondsema isn't coming to PyOhio, so you'll have to find out on your own
[13:48] <snap-l> Bastard
[13:48] <brousch> Heh
[13:49] <brousch> The VM is available through the Allura docs if you really want to look
[13:58] <snap-l> Nah, I was more interested in just talking with Brondsema
[14:44] <brousch> snap-l: How the heck does he do that machine-gun kick drum? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbPSR7rAdxI
[14:45] <brousch> Holy crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQMQbHdlzM
[15:04] <snap-l> brousch: It's just practice
[15:05] <snap-l> I have a double pedal that I use on my kit. I've gotten pretty high up in speed, but it's been about 10 years since I've played.
[15:06] <rick_h_> *sigh* http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/2012/07/17/twitter-crashes-itself-with-commas?1
[15:06] <brousch> When I've tried my son's drum, I'm really slow on the bass
[15:08] <snap-l> I used to have a lot more control with my right foot. I'd drum most of Neil Peart's stuff with one pedal because that's all I had.
[15:08] <brousch> rick_h_: wtf
[15:08] <brousch> Is this the next newline vs semicolon flareup?
[15:08] <rick_h_> appears so I guess
[15:09] <snap-l> I don't quite understand this semicolon hate
[15:09] <snap-l> seriously, end of line = semicolon
[15:09] <Blazeix> this is linked in the comments: http://blog.vjeux.com/2011/javascript/javascript-comma-trick.html
[15:09] <snap-l> stop getting fancy.
[15:09] <rick_h_> yea, evidently their IDE can't dedent blocks of code easily
[15:10] <rick_h_> so it's easier to not use {} and add a comma to every line or something
[15:10] <snap-l> If you want to write things without { }, use Python
[15:10] <rick_h_> I don't get it myself on the compiler side
[15:10] <rick_h_> you lose the {} but add a , for each line in the block
[15:10] <Blazeix> the , is replacing ; though
[15:11] <Blazeix> not that i'm in favor of this style
[15:11] <rick_h_> ah, yea
[15:11] <rick_h_> so you lose the {} and still have a line ending I guess
[15:11] <snap-l> I wonder when Douglas Crawford is going to change jslint so whenever you do something like this, it sends him your lat / long so he can come to your house and beat the crap out of you.
[15:12] <rick_h_> I'm going to write jsbitch and it'll be so mean to you that you'll be looking over your shoulder every time you write a line of JS
[15:13] <snap-l> "I see you used commas for your statements. I'll bet your mom lays out your Garanamals every morning. Man up, tiger-britches and put in some fucking semi colons"
[15:26] <Blazeix> it's apparently legit enough that google's closure compile does it
[15:27] <Blazeix> this: http://vpaste.net/IAGHw?ft=javascript is compiled to this: http://closure-compiler.appspot.com/code/jsc8e6593026fb0bbf4f507e59544531aa1/default.js
[15:29] <snap-l> Damn minifiers
[15:33] <rick_h_> Blazeix: right, I was just trying to get my head around the 'doing x saves y% of space'
[15:34] <rick_h_> but then again this is why I still just do jsmin vs all the heavier compilers
[15:34] <brousch> commas are smaller than semicolons. You gain about a period of space
[15:34] <rick_h_> :P
[16:25] <snap-l> There are idiot web developers who are using commas in place of semicolons because they need to be free to express their individual idiocy. It turns out there are consequences.
[16:25] <snap-l> -- Douglas Crockford
[16:40] <snap-l> https://plus.google.com/118095276221607585885/posts/74ZcpCQcio7
[16:58] <snap-l> Are we having fun yet?
[17:03] <snap-l> https://ting.com/blog/ics-update-for-ting-samsung-galaxy-sii-owners/
[17:03] <snap-l> YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!
[17:04] <snap-l> https://ting.com/blog/is-my-android-update-ready-yet/
[17:11] <snap-l> So, at some point ICS will be on my phone
[17:11] <rick_h_> lol
[17:12] <snap-l> rick_h_: re: ICS, or commagate?
[17:13]  * brousch groans at commagate
[17:13] <rick_h_> ics
[17:13] <snap-l> Hey, it's better than comma comma comma chameleon
[17:14] <brousch> I think you're missing a couple commas
[17:14] <snap-l> Doug Crockford Knows, Exception Throw-oh ohs.
[17:15] <snap-l> Couldn't use semicolons and braces please? They're the bees knees, no commas please-ease.
[17:16] <snap-l> rick_h_: I'm not holding my breath, but it's nice to know they're still thinking about it. :)
[17:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: quit casuing trouble asking questions on launchpad blog posts :P
[17:55] <rick_h_> greg-g: you're supposed to be oscon'ing
[17:56] <greg-g> leave for SFO in about an hour and half, plenty of time to cause trouble ;)
[17:56] <rick_h_> curses!
[18:14] <jrwren> is ting that cool carrier you are using snap-l ?
[18:14] <jrwren> they pay as you go?
[18:17] <snap-l> jrwren: Yep
[18:17] <snap-l> More like pay for what you use, and get refunded for what you don't.
[18:17] <snap-l> (Aside: I hate it when I find a band that releases their music for free, but it's not CC)
[18:18] <snap-l> www.aeons.lt
[18:25] <rick_h_> dammit, I hate people that ruin the coffee shop
[18:28] <snap-l> jrwren: https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ is my referrer URL if you decide to join up with Ting.
[18:28] <snap-l> $25 for you, $25 for me
[18:28] <rick_h_> don't do it, it's a pyramid scheme! :P
[18:28] <snap-l> rick_h_: Pthhhhpt
[18:29] <snap-l> If it is, it's the first one that hasn't made me throw up in my mouth
[18:29] <snap-l> speaking of coffee-shop ruiners. ;)
[18:29] <rick_h_> hah!
[18:29] <snap-l> http://ting.com/twig <- I think this will give you $50 off the price of your device.
[18:30] <snap-l> Not sure if that's still in effect or not
[18:34] <jrwren> free as in beer, not as in speech - music free v. cc music
[18:44] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, there's plenty of bands I would love to play if they'd release as CC
[18:44] <snap-l> amazing bands, not on a label
[19:29] <_stink_> snap-l: do you typically talk with those bands personally about it?  or just wait and hope they release something as CC?
[19:29] <snap-l> Depends on the band
[19:30] <snap-l> sometimes I will
[19:30] <snap-l> so far not much luck in getting them to switch
[19:30] <_stink_> for the ones you talk with, what kind of reactions do you get?
[19:30] <_stink_> like other than outcome
[19:30] <_stink_> do any get angry or somesuch?
[19:31] <snap-l> Usually they just say "well, it's out for free"
[19:31] <_stink_> hmm
[19:31] <snap-l> or "Go ahead and play it"
[19:31] <snap-l> which misses the point
[19:31] <_stink_> yeah
[19:31] <_stink_> ok, just curious.
[19:31] <snap-l> Yeah, I usually don't call the bands out, because I'd rather not have a pile-on for their license.
[19:32] <snap-l> I've had a handful of bands change, but they generally initiated contact
[19:33] <snap-l> I got contacted by this band's promoter to play music on my show.
[19:34] <snap-l> http://titanseve.bandcamp.com/album/life-apocalypse
[19:34] <snap-l> explained that I'd love to, but it's not CC
[19:34] <snap-l> I think the biggest problem with CC is the thought that if it's somehow CC, you can't charge money for it
[19:35] <snap-l> or people won't pay you for it
[19:35] <snap-l> And then I have folks in the podcaster-sphere that bitch whenever I play something that is "behind a paywall"
[19:37] <_stink_> heh, you can't win.
[19:38] <snap-l> Well, I'd like to err on the side of the artists being able to make back their costs
[19:41] <snap-l> I've also seen bands lock up their later output because they need to make money
[19:41] <snap-l> and say "I'm releasing this [without CC] because I need to make my costs"
[19:42] <snap-l> breaks my heart.
[19:42] <snap-l> mostly because it makes it harder for me to make a show. ;)
[19:43] <snap-l> but also because I can't promote their later stuff
[19:43] <snap-l> I get nervous when I see CC bands I like release their next album because it's a crap-shoot if it'll remain CC
[19:44] <_stink_> i wonder how successful that is for them.
[19:44] <_stink_> the change in license
[19:44] <_stink_> away from CC
[19:44] <snap-l> I'm not sure
[19:44] <snap-l> I've seen some bands relent (Returning We Hear the Larks)
[19:45] <snap-l> I've seen other bands release their debut under CC, and then nothing else (Diablo Swing Orchestra)
[19:50] <snap-l> Though I think Diablo Swing Orchestra got signed to Candlelight Records
[20:06] <Milyardo> Irony:Switch away from CC to cover cost when signing up with a label, end up with more debt than before.
[20:09] <snap-l> Sadly
[20:10] <snap-l> Have seen more than one band drop their label for lack of support
[20:12] <snap-l> I swear, Excel loves to screw with me.
[20:16] <brousch> Whew. Just went through creating a Django app on Heroku again, including handling static files
[20:16] <brousch> I was smart and wrote it down this time
[20:20] <snap-l> Fuck
[20:20] <snap-l> Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
[20:20] <snap-l> Figured out a color issue I've been having with Excel for several days now.
[20:20] <snap-l> Figured out a color issue I've been having with Excel for several days now.
[20:20] <snap-l> Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
[20:20] <snap-l> Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
[20:21] <snap-l> Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
[20:22] <_stink_> isn't that a good thing?
[20:22] <brousch> snap-l: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-xKUU5sWS4
[20:27] <snap-l> Those note were written by God and handed down to the greatest band in the world, the motherfuckin' TIME.
[20:28] <snap-l> _stink_: Other than it being Excel, this would be a good thing
[20:28] <PainBank> snap-l: thanks, needed that
[20:29] <snap-l> Thank brousch for the video. :)
[20:33] <brousch> This just opened and is literally the closest restaurant to my house. http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2012/07/kill_some_bad_guys_for_dinner.html
[20:33] <snap-l> brousch: Expect it to close in 2 years
[20:34] <snap-l> Neat concept, but it'll get overrun with douchebags and kids
[20:34] <brousch> It moved into a former restaurant building that had been abandonded for at least 2 years
[20:34] <brousch> Why would it close if it's overrun with patrons?
[20:35] <snap-l> Ah, right, it's in GR
[20:35] <snap-l> nevermind. It'll be overrun with with nice people who say please and thank you.
[20:35] <snap-l> was thinking of Detroit, where we can't have nice things.
[20:36] <brousch> It's snuggled up to a douchey apartment complex
[21:43] <snap-l> http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17t3pb8sle9t9jpg/original.jpg < -Steve Wozniak's backpack
[21:46] <rick_h_> I'd hate to see his wireless bills
[21:47] <greg-g> stupid
[21:47] <snap-l> He probably gets special dispensation for just carrying their device. :)
[21:48] <snap-l> Apparently he uses every one of them
[21:48] <snap-l> First thing I can think of: when will they have multiple-sim phones
[21:48] <greg-g> sure
[21:48] <snap-l> There's no reason to have to carry two wireless devices for work / home
[21:49] <greg-g> didn't I see a commecial where sprint had a phone that had two settings, one for work and one for personal, it kept the apps/sync accounts separate somehow?
[21:50] <snap-l> greg-g: That's what I'd like to have
[22:01] <rick_h_> yea, they make some like that