[00:18] greg-g: <3 re your twitter post. I've tossed small rocks at cars flying by in our neighborhood [00:18] my neighbor and I keep threatening to manually cement a speed bump. [00:29] +1 [00:29] :) [02:00] rick_h_: Cranky old man much? :) [03:10] I want to actually send the maker of the count of monte cristo movie to the gallows [03:10] horrific [10:36] good morning [11:03] hows the weather today and morning [11:08] Hot [11:08] I'm sweating at my desk [11:08] Last updated Jul 17, 2012 - 06:53 AM EDT / 2012.07.17 1053 UTC [11:08] Temperature: 79.0 F (26.1 C) [11:17] yep was 79 all nite up here too [11:49] Wow, tired. Who has some caffeine for me? [11:50] not here, not yet [11:54] We had our first female attendee at GRPUG last night [11:55] awesome [11:55] yeah [11:58] Even at GRWebDev we only have about 10% female attendance [12:07] morning [12:07] morn [12:14] hehehe https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Screen%20Shot%202012-07-17%20at%208.13.24%20AM.png [12:17] http://deals.woot.com/deals/details/e02a180e-33aa-4ab4-8bed-a2091b213dac/get-2-in-mp3s-via-amazon-exp-07-23#0 [12:17] brousch: HA HA nice === randy_ is now known as JaceAlvejetti [13:03] Morning part 2 [13:03] Love the conference call music here [13:03] And by love, I mean it's the least offensive I've heard in a while [13:04] though it's only one song [13:05] snap-l: Is this your card? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJkxFhFRFDA [13:08] shakes808: I wish [13:09] At least it would be Stan Getz [13:09] :D Gotta love the classics [13:25] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evilhat/race-to-adventure-a-spirit-of-the-centurytm-board/posts/268363?ref=email&show_token=a385c1c2c7b42385 [13:30] I just realized I'm using OSX and Eclipse for PyOhio. rick_h_ is going to dragon kick me in the head [13:30] I'm defeated today, you can get away with anything. I'll be hiding in my office closet [13:30] Ut oh [13:31] * rick_h_ is having a 'just go back to bed' morning/week [13:31] rick_h_: That good, eh? [13:31] yea, just performed my second rollback this week [13:31] rick_h_: Did you sign Bookie up for sprints? [13:32] brousch: yea, we were the first [13:32] and expanded this year [13:32] hopefully can get some people interested [13:32] Cool [13:32] LAst year was all spent installing it [13:33] yea, this year Iv'e got the new install process with Make, the pypi mirror on my laptop, and the side projects breadability/bookie_parser [13:33] Brondsema put together a Virtualbox VM so we could hack on Allura last night. That went in fast [13:33] so should be much better this year hopefully [13:33] ah interesting, and put it on a usb disk kind of thing? [13:34] Oh, right, forgot about the download issues last year [13:34] Yeah, usb [13:34] He actually used Vagrant for VM [13:34] but yea, i hope to make it kidn of easy to get going [13:44] I'll be interested to see what they've done with Allra since I left. [13:46] apache :) [13:47] snap-l: Brondsema isn't coming to PyOhio, so you'll have to find out on your own [13:48] Bastard [13:48] Heh [13:49] The VM is available through the Allura docs if you really want to look [13:58] Nah, I was more interested in just talking with Brondsema [14:44] snap-l: How the heck does he do that machine-gun kick drum? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbPSR7rAdxI [14:45] Holy crap http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmQMQbHdlzM [15:04] brousch: It's just practice [15:05] I have a double pedal that I use on my kit. I've gotten pretty high up in speed, but it's been about 10 years since I've played. [15:06] *sigh* http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/2012/07/17/twitter-crashes-itself-with-commas?1 [15:06] When I've tried my son's drum, I'm really slow on the bass [15:08] I used to have a lot more control with my right foot. I'd drum most of Neil Peart's stuff with one pedal because that's all I had. [15:08] rick_h_: wtf [15:08] Is this the next newline vs semicolon flareup? [15:08] appears so I guess [15:09] I don't quite understand this semicolon hate [15:09] seriously, end of line = semicolon [15:09] this is linked in the comments: http://blog.vjeux.com/2011/javascript/javascript-comma-trick.html [15:09] stop getting fancy. [15:09] yea, evidently their IDE can't dedent blocks of code easily [15:10] so it's easier to not use {} and add a comma to every line or something [15:10] If you want to write things without { }, use Python [15:10] I don't get it myself on the compiler side [15:10] you lose the {} but add a , for each line in the block [15:10] the , is replacing ; though [15:11] not that i'm in favor of this style [15:11] ah, yea [15:11] so you lose the {} and still have a line ending I guess [15:11] I wonder when Douglas Crawford is going to change jslint so whenever you do something like this, it sends him your lat / long so he can come to your house and beat the crap out of you. [15:12] I'm going to write jsbitch and it'll be so mean to you that you'll be looking over your shoulder every time you write a line of JS [15:13] "I see you used commas for your statements. I'll bet your mom lays out your Garanamals every morning. Man up, tiger-britches and put in some fucking semi colons" [15:26] it's apparently legit enough that google's closure compile does it [15:27] this: http://vpaste.net/IAGHw?ft=javascript is compiled to this: http://closure-compiler.appspot.com/code/jsc8e6593026fb0bbf4f507e59544531aa1/default.js [15:29] Damn minifiers [15:33] Blazeix: right, I was just trying to get my head around the 'doing x saves y% of space' [15:34] but then again this is why I still just do jsmin vs all the heavier compilers [15:34] commas are smaller than semicolons. You gain about a period of space [15:34] :P [16:25] There are idiot web developers who are using commas in place of semicolons because they need to be free to express their individual idiocy. It turns out there are consequences. [16:25] -- Douglas Crockford [16:40] https://plus.google.com/118095276221607585885/posts/74ZcpCQcio7 [16:58] Are we having fun yet? [17:03] https://ting.com/blog/ics-update-for-ting-samsung-galaxy-sii-owners/ [17:03] YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY! [17:04] https://ting.com/blog/is-my-android-update-ready-yet/ [17:11] So, at some point ICS will be on my phone [17:11] lol [17:12] rick_h_: re: ICS, or commagate? [17:13] * brousch groans at commagate [17:13] ics [17:13] Hey, it's better than comma comma comma chameleon [17:14] I think you're missing a couple commas [17:14] Doug Crockford Knows, Exception Throw-oh ohs. [17:15] Couldn't use semicolons and braces please? They're the bees knees, no commas please-ease. [17:16] rick_h_: I'm not holding my breath, but it's nice to know they're still thinking about it. :) [17:55] greg-g: quit casuing trouble asking questions on launchpad blog posts :P [17:55] greg-g: you're supposed to be oscon'ing [17:56] leave for SFO in about an hour and half, plenty of time to cause trouble ;) [17:56] curses! [18:14] is ting that cool carrier you are using snap-l ? [18:14] they pay as you go? [18:17] jrwren: Yep [18:17] More like pay for what you use, and get refunded for what you don't. [18:17] (Aside: I hate it when I find a band that releases their music for free, but it's not CC) [18:18] www.aeons.lt [18:25] dammit, I hate people that ruin the coffee shop [18:28] jrwren: https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ is my referrer URL if you decide to join up with Ting. [18:28] $25 for you, $25 for me [18:28] don't do it, it's a pyramid scheme! :P [18:28] rick_h_: Pthhhhpt [18:29] If it is, it's the first one that hasn't made me throw up in my mouth [18:29] speaking of coffee-shop ruiners. ;) [18:29] hah! [18:29] http://ting.com/twig <- I think this will give you $50 off the price of your device. [18:30] Not sure if that's still in effect or not [18:34] free as in beer, not as in speech - music free v. cc music [18:44] jrwren: Yeah, there's plenty of bands I would love to play if they'd release as CC [18:44] amazing bands, not on a label [19:29] <_stink_> snap-l: do you typically talk with those bands personally about it? or just wait and hope they release something as CC? [19:29] Depends on the band [19:30] sometimes I will [19:30] so far not much luck in getting them to switch [19:30] <_stink_> for the ones you talk with, what kind of reactions do you get? [19:30] <_stink_> like other than outcome [19:30] <_stink_> do any get angry or somesuch? [19:31] Usually they just say "well, it's out for free" [19:31] <_stink_> hmm [19:31] or "Go ahead and play it" [19:31] which misses the point [19:31] <_stink_> yeah [19:31] <_stink_> ok, just curious. [19:31] Yeah, I usually don't call the bands out, because I'd rather not have a pile-on for their license. [19:32] I've had a handful of bands change, but they generally initiated contact [19:33] I got contacted by this band's promoter to play music on my show. [19:34] http://titanseve.bandcamp.com/album/life-apocalypse [19:34] explained that I'd love to, but it's not CC [19:34] I think the biggest problem with CC is the thought that if it's somehow CC, you can't charge money for it [19:35] or people won't pay you for it [19:35] And then I have folks in the podcaster-sphere that bitch whenever I play something that is "behind a paywall" [19:37] <_stink_> heh, you can't win. [19:38] Well, I'd like to err on the side of the artists being able to make back their costs [19:41] I've also seen bands lock up their later output because they need to make money [19:41] and say "I'm releasing this [without CC] because I need to make my costs" [19:42] breaks my heart. [19:42] mostly because it makes it harder for me to make a show. ;) [19:43] but also because I can't promote their later stuff [19:43] I get nervous when I see CC bands I like release their next album because it's a crap-shoot if it'll remain CC [19:44] <_stink_> i wonder how successful that is for them. [19:44] <_stink_> the change in license [19:44] <_stink_> away from CC [19:44] I'm not sure [19:44] I've seen some bands relent (Returning We Hear the Larks) [19:45] I've seen other bands release their debut under CC, and then nothing else (Diablo Swing Orchestra) [19:50] Though I think Diablo Swing Orchestra got signed to Candlelight Records [20:06] Irony:Switch away from CC to cover cost when signing up with a label, end up with more debt than before. [20:09] Sadly [20:10] Have seen more than one band drop their label for lack of support [20:12] I swear, Excel loves to screw with me. [20:16] Whew. Just went through creating a Django app on Heroku again, including handling static files [20:16] I was smart and wrote it down this time [20:20] Fuck [20:20] Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck [20:20] Figured out a color issue I've been having with Excel for several days now. [20:20] Figured out a color issue I've been having with Excel for several days now. [20:20] Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck [20:20] Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck [20:21] Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck [20:22] <_stink_> isn't that a good thing? [20:22] snap-l: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-xKUU5sWS4 [20:27] Those note were written by God and handed down to the greatest band in the world, the motherfuckin' TIME. [20:28] _stink_: Other than it being Excel, this would be a good thing [20:28] snap-l: thanks, needed that [20:29] Thank brousch for the video. :) [20:33] This just opened and is literally the closest restaurant to my house. http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2012/07/kill_some_bad_guys_for_dinner.html [20:33] brousch: Expect it to close in 2 years [20:34] Neat concept, but it'll get overrun with douchebags and kids [20:34] It moved into a former restaurant building that had been abandonded for at least 2 years [20:34] Why would it close if it's overrun with patrons? [20:35] Ah, right, it's in GR [20:35] nevermind. It'll be overrun with with nice people who say please and thank you. [20:35] was thinking of Detroit, where we can't have nice things. [20:36] It's snuggled up to a douchey apartment complex [21:43] http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17t3pb8sle9t9jpg/original.jpg < -Steve Wozniak's backpack [21:46] I'd hate to see his wireless bills [21:47] stupid [21:47] He probably gets special dispensation for just carrying their device. :) [21:48] Apparently he uses every one of them [21:48] First thing I can think of: when will they have multiple-sim phones [21:48] sure [21:48] There's no reason to have to carry two wireless devices for work / home [21:49] didn't I see a commecial where sprint had a phone that had two settings, one for work and one for personal, it kept the apps/sync accounts separate somehow? [21:50] greg-g: That's what I'd like to have [22:01] yea, they make some like that