| gilbert | paultag: not sure when i'll find the time :( rather busy right now. defense coming up very very soon | 01:07 |
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| andygraybeal | hey guys | 12:52 |
| andygraybeal | anyone have one of those cat5 cable certifier doo-dads? i've done installation for mom&pop companies and never used one. i just have one of those 4 pair connectivity testers. | 13:08 |
| andygraybeal | i wonder if i could borrow it in a couple of weeks for the week? | 13:09 |
| andygraybeal | anyone hiring beginner linux doods? | 13:42 |
| andygraybeal | like.. i dunno like linux desktop/server support | 13:43 |
| andygraybeal | net tech type stuff too | 13:43 |
| andygraybeal | no microsoft or i will start to kill people | 13:45 |
| andygraybeal | er, unless the goal is to move away from microsoft then i would fill my role with pride. | 13:46 |
| gilbert | paultag: me is at odds with the release team :( | 17:48 |
| paultag | gilbert: I've been watching | 17:59 |
| paultag | gilbert: I've been in their IRC room, they've mentioned you a few times :) | 17:59 |
| paultag | nothing bad, I think they understand | 17:59 |
| gilbert | paultag: i've noticed, but ignored | 17:59 |
| paultag | gilbert: I've been tracking that bug | 18:00 |
| paultag | a NMU does seem to be in order :3 | 18:00 |
| paultag | I'm sure if it got uploaded it'd get unblocked | 18:00 |
| paultag | it's way early in the freeze | 18:00 |
| gilbert | paultag: i know, they seem to be giving me a hard time because i'm vocal... | 18:01 |
| paultag | gilbert: if you need another voice, just give me a bugno and ask me to speak my mind ;) | 18:01 |
| paultag | gilbert: I'm on KiBi's good side these days :) | 18:01 |
| gilbert | paultag: and i did rush a 0-day nmu when i should have delayed it on one of kibi's packages :( | 18:01 |
| paultag | oh jeez | 18:02 |
| paultag | in general 0-days are pretty gnarly | 18:02 |
| gilbert | my bad | 18:02 |
| paultag | yar | 18:02 |
| paultag | gilbert: btw, RE: your thread on your sponsorship guidelines | 18:02 |
| paultag | gilbert: I put this together for myself (I'm not as RC-NMU as you) - http://people.debian.org/~paultag/sponsorship/ | 18:03 |
| paultag | gilbert: feel free to jack the HTML or whatever you need -- having it on a webpage helps you refer to it nicely :) | 18:03 |
| gilbert | cool, yeah | 18:03 |
| paultag | don't know why that came to me now | 18:04 |
| paultag | but it did :) | 18:04 |
| gilbert | odd that your hardening link still includes hardening-wrapper instructions | 18:06 |
| gilbert | that's really been deprecated | 18:07 |
| paultag | yeah | 18:07 |
| paultag | typical wiki crap | 18:07 |
| paultag | gilbert: will you be at OLF? | 18:09 |
| paultag | gilbert: nice post in -release. | 18:11 |
| gilbert | paultag: hecks yeah :) | 18:12 |
| gilbert | thx | 18:12 |
| paultag | gilbert: we should set up a debian BSP / sprint | 18:12 |
| paultag | I'm going to make plans to go | 18:12 |
| paultag | now that i'm working and can do such things | 18:13 |
| gilbert | paultag: sweet! are they paying for you as a business trip? | 18:13 |
| paultag | gilbert: they paid for me to go to PyCon -- not sure if this could get written off or not, but likely it'd be the sort of thing where it's written off as a hackathon perhaps :( | 18:14 |
| paultag | :) * | 18:14 |
| paultag | (I get as many hackathons as needed, I'm heading to Canada for one in September as well) | 18:14 |
| gilbert | nice :) | 18:14 |
| paultag | but yeah, we should figure out if OLF's folks would give us some space to hax | 18:15 |
| paultag | I remember wifi being shit, so we should work that out as well | 18:15 |
| gilbert | completely forgotabout pyohio. thats coming up on jul 28 | 18:15 |
| gilbert | oh yeah, its horrible, but booths get the secret pssword | 18:16 |
| paultag | don't we usually get one for Ubuntu? (CC thafreak / Cheri703 / canthus13 / * ) | 18:16 |
| paultag | jacob: might know too | 18:16 |
| gilbert | yeah, thats what i mean | 18:16 |
| paultag | gilbert: ah, cool. | 18:16 |
| paultag | but yeah, we should find somewhere to have a mini-sprint, see if we can put a smallish dent in something | 18:17 |
| gilbert | one of the organizers came by at the beginning of the first day and gave us the password | 18:17 |
| gilbert | (last year) | 18:17 |
| paultag | Oh damn, I missed it last year, I forgot | 18:17 |
| gilbert | paultag: yeah, that would be awesome | 18:17 |
| gilbert | paultag: will probably be mostly rc-fixing since it will be very late freeze | 18:17 |
| paultag | Yep, ACK to that | 18:17 |
| gilbert | then we (meaning you) can blog it up :) | 18:18 |
| gilbert | i'm not much for blogging :( | 18:18 |
| paultag | gilbert: I've been doing this iron-blogger thing with mako et.all (boston cabal), it's been pretty tough | 18:18 |
| paultag | I have to blog at least once a week or I owe money in the pool :) | 18:18 |
| gilbert | haha, so how do you win? | 18:19 |
| paultag | gilbert: the people's money who slack is put in a pool, and we throw a big party when we have enough :D | 18:19 |
| paultag | so if you keep up blogging, you drink off the slackers | 18:19 |
| gilbert | ah, cool | 18:19 |
| paultag | and if you slack, you just pay for everyone's beer :) | 18:20 |
| gilbert | man, Boston sounds like a great place to be. at one point i wanted to go to mit | 18:20 |
| paultag | yeah, it's pretty fantastic. There are so many DDs, and we drink together at least once a week on sunday nights | 18:21 |
| gilbert | btw you went through nm insanely fgast | 18:22 |
| gilbert | fast | 18:22 |
| paultag | gilbert: lots of bribes, my friend, lots of bribes. | 18:22 |
| gilbert | paultag: of course ;) | 18:23 |
| paultag | gilbert: Enrico is a good friend of the Mako's, and he knows I crash at Mako's house a lot -- my AM was an Ubunfriend, and the bulk of waiting wasn't really waiting | 18:23 |
| paultag | gilbert: I was doing a lot of gcc patches, so I think they relized I should just be given rights to NMU, so they sorta rushed that as well | 18:23 |
| paultag | but alas, gregora uploaded all my patches :> | 18:24 |
| paultag | (stole my rcbugs ;) ) | 18:24 |
| gilbert | paultag: if you do get a chance to put in a good word for me with KiBi, i would really appreciate | 18:24 |
| paultag | gilbert: I will :) | 18:24 |
| gilbert | paultag: in the meantime, i sent an appology to #debian-release | 18:24 |
| paultag | yeah, I saw that | 18:24 |
| paultag | 14:11 < paultag> gilbert: nice post in -release. | 18:25 |
| paultag | I think he'll appreceate that | 18:25 |
| gilbert | oh, i thought you meant -release ml | 18:26 |
| paultag | oh, nah, I'm not there | 18:26 |
| paultag | did you post there too? Shucks | 18:26 |
| gilbert | yeah | 18:26 |
| paultag | not up on lists yet | 18:27 |
| * paultag kicks lists.d.o | 18:27 | |
| paultag | gilbert: may I CC you on an email to the OLF team? | 18:31 |
| paultag | mgilbert@d.o ? | 18:31 |
| gilbert | yes | 18:33 |
| paultag | great | 18:33 |
| gilbert | i wanted debian username gilbert, but someone took it in 1994 and never used it :( | 18:33 |
| paultag | bah | 18:34 |
| paultag | that sucks | 18:34 |
| gilbert | asked for it to be reassigned, but i guess they won't do that | 18:34 |
| paultag | I wanted "tag" for everything, but some asshat who does Perl took the whole namespace | 18:34 |
| gilbert | haha | 18:34 |
| gilbert | ugh, i gotto focus on writing...but i don't wanna get started today :( | 18:40 |
| paultag | yar | 18:40 |
| andygraybeal | paultag & gilbert .. if you don't mind taking the time, explain in laymans terms what gilbert is at odds with? | 18:48 |
| paultag | andygraybeal: Oh, nothing so serious | 18:49 |
| paultag | andygraybeal: both gilbert and I work on Debian, the "parent" distro to Ubuntu | 18:49 |
| paultag | andygraybeal: and the release team are the people that are in charge of releasing debian and what makes it in there | 18:49 |
| paultag | andygraybeal: gilbert here fixes problems in the development playground, but in doing so, the release team doesn't like so many changes | 18:49 |
| paultag | (we're in "freeze" now, which is why) | 18:49 |
| paultag | nothing major, all parties involved know no one is doing any harm | 18:50 |
| paultag | it's just a social problem, really. | 18:50 |
| paultag | (gilbert is doing objectively good work) | 18:50 |
| * canthus13 headdesks. | 18:59 | |
| canthus13 | yay migrating 1 million + email accounts from one hosting provider to another... | 19:00 |
| andygraybeal | paultag, aahh, okay thank you for catching me up | 19:05 |
| paultag | andygraybeal: sure. | 19:05 |
| andygraybeal | canthus13, holy shit dood. | 19:06 |
| andygraybeal | bros, should i use lube to run cables or not? seems like a big mess to me on one hand, and it might be a lifesaver on the other.. | 19:06 |
| andygraybeal | what do you guys think? | 19:06 |
| andygraybeal | i've got my eye on that small bottle of Ideal brand lube | 19:06 |
| paultag | having worked in my fair share of datacenters, I can say that I've never once used lube to run cables. | 19:07 |
| andygraybeal | yea, me either | 19:07 |
| paultag | canthus13: ^ ? | 19:07 |
| andygraybeal | i workd for two mom and pop companies so far and they didn't either | 19:07 |
| paultag | I am a bit incredulous | 19:07 |
| andygraybeal | incredulous means? | 19:08 |
| paultag | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byX8H-GffAI&feature=relmfu | 19:08 |
| paultag | (of a person or their manner) Unwilling or unable to believe something: "an incredulous gasp". | 19:08 |
| paultag | mistrustful - unbelieving - sceptical - distrustful | 19:08 |
| paultag | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incredulous | 19:08 |
| andygraybeal | of the lube? | 19:08 |
| paultag | yep. | 19:08 |
| paultag | I mean | 19:08 |
| andygraybeal | okay cool.. me too bro. | 19:08 |
| paultag | not of the lube, I know that does it's job well | 19:08 |
| paultag | just using lube for running cables | 19:08 |
| andygraybeal | i'm open to trying new things nad if it makes my life easier, aewsome.. btu it just seems like a goddamn mess. | 19:09 |
| andygraybeal | sorry for cussing | 19:09 |
| paultag | waxed twine, brah | 19:09 |
| andygraybeal | hmm.... nice i was getting polyeurothane pulls. | 19:09 |
| paultag | andygraybeal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_lacing | 19:09 |
| canthus13 | astroglide on your Cat6e... | 19:09 |
| andygraybeal | or something like that. | 19:09 |
| paultag | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cable_lacing_close-up.jpg | 19:10 |
| paultag | it's good shit. | 19:10 |
| andygraybeal | hmm.. so wait, make a wrap like this to the head of your pull? or is their more too it? | 19:11 |
| paultag | figure out how you're running cable, and wrap it down the line, and you can tie it off. it's great. Also super easy to cut and rewrap | 19:12 |
| paultag | which zip-ties aren't | 19:12 |
| paultag | I'm sure canthus13 has tied his fair share of cables with twine | 19:12 |
| andygraybeal | ... how far down the line? just the head of the pull right (5 ft or somethign) ? | 19:12 |
| paultag | it depends | 19:13 |
| paultag | you just tie segments | 19:14 |
| paultag | there's a special way of ending it, too | 19:14 |
| andygraybeal | whip it, whip it good. | 19:14 |
| paultag | andygraybeal: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/cabling/part5.htm | 19:14 |
| andygraybeal | i was watching a video and some dood was using a 'cable comb' and velcro and getting the same result | 19:15 |
| andygraybeal | he had 30 cables in one bundle | 19:16 |
| * canthus13 hates cabling. :/ | 19:16 | |
| andygraybeal | it's all on cablesupply.com | 19:16 |
| canthus13 | I can do it, but... I'm too damn old to be crawling around crawlspaces, pulling cable. | 19:16 |
| andygraybeal | paultag, i will read the hnsa link | 19:16 |
| paultag | good move :> | 19:16 |
| andygraybeal | canthus13, aye, older than 35? | 19:16 |
| canthus13 | yep. | 19:16 |
| andygraybeal | aah okay then. respect. | 19:17 |
| paultag | I'm young enough to do it :) | 19:17 |
| paultag | and there's something nice about tying cable | 19:17 |
| paultag | it's so … human. | 19:17 |
| andygraybeal | paultag, i think the same thing about mowing with a scythe | 19:18 |
| canthus13 | andygraybeal: s/mowing/babysitting/ | 19:20 |
| andygraybeal | babysitting with a scythe? | 19:20 |
| andygraybeal | nice :) | 19:20 |
| andygraybeal | paultag, respect about lacing man, but i don't have those skills. | 19:20 |
| canthus13 | keeps the kids in line.. especially if you wear black robes and a hood. | 19:21 |
| andygraybeal | check out this beauty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY1XB0rrYes&feature=related | 19:31 |
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