[01:07] paultag: not sure when i'll find the time :( rather busy right now. defense coming up very very soon [12:52] hey guys [13:08] anyone have one of those cat5 cable certifier doo-dads? i've done installation for mom&pop companies and never used one. i just have one of those 4 pair connectivity testers. [13:09] i wonder if i could borrow it in a couple of weeks for the week? [13:42] anyone hiring beginner linux doods? [13:43] like.. i dunno like linux desktop/server support [13:43] net tech type stuff too [13:45] no microsoft or i will start to kill people [13:46] er, unless the goal is to move away from microsoft then i would fill my role with pride. [17:48] paultag: me is at odds with the release team :( [17:59] gilbert: I've been watching [17:59] gilbert: I've been in their IRC room, they've mentioned you a few times :) [17:59] nothing bad, I think they understand [17:59] paultag: i've noticed, but ignored [18:00] gilbert: I've been tracking that bug [18:00] a NMU does seem to be in order :3 [18:00] I'm sure if it got uploaded it'd get unblocked [18:00] it's way early in the freeze [18:01] paultag: i know, they seem to be giving me a hard time because i'm vocal... [18:01] gilbert: if you need another voice, just give me a bugno and ask me to speak my mind ;) [18:01] gilbert: I'm on KiBi's good side these days :) [18:01] paultag: and i did rush a 0-day nmu when i should have delayed it on one of kibi's packages :( [18:02] oh jeez [18:02] in general 0-days are pretty gnarly [18:02] my bad [18:02] yar [18:02] gilbert: btw, RE: your thread on your sponsorship guidelines [18:03] gilbert: I put this together for myself (I'm not as RC-NMU as you) - http://people.debian.org/~paultag/sponsorship/ [18:03] gilbert: feel free to jack the HTML or whatever you need -- having it on a webpage helps you refer to it nicely :) [18:03] cool, yeah [18:04] don't know why that came to me now [18:04] but it did :) [18:06] odd that your hardening link still includes hardening-wrapper instructions [18:07] that's really been deprecated [18:07] yeah [18:07] typical wiki crap [18:09] gilbert: will you be at OLF? [18:11] gilbert: nice post in -release. [18:12] paultag: hecks yeah :) [18:12] thx [18:12] gilbert: we should set up a debian BSP / sprint [18:12] I'm going to make plans to go [18:13] now that i'm working and can do such things [18:13] paultag: sweet! are they paying for you as a business trip? [18:14] gilbert: they paid for me to go to PyCon -- not sure if this could get written off or not, but likely it'd be the sort of thing where it's written off as a hackathon perhaps :( [18:14] :) * [18:14] (I get as many hackathons as needed, I'm heading to Canada for one in September as well) [18:14] nice :) [18:15] but yeah, we should figure out if OLF's folks would give us some space to hax [18:15] I remember wifi being shit, so we should work that out as well [18:15] completely forgotabout pyohio. thats coming up on jul 28 [18:16] oh yeah, its horrible, but booths get the secret pssword [18:16] don't we usually get one for Ubuntu? (CC thafreak / Cheri703 / canthus13 / * ) [18:16] jacob: might know too [18:16] yeah, thats what i mean [18:16] gilbert: ah, cool. [18:17] but yeah, we should find somewhere to have a mini-sprint, see if we can put a smallish dent in something [18:17] one of the organizers came by at the beginning of the first day and gave us the password [18:17] (last year) [18:17] Oh damn, I missed it last year, I forgot [18:17] paultag: yeah, that would be awesome [18:17] paultag: will probably be mostly rc-fixing since it will be very late freeze [18:17] Yep, ACK to that [18:18] then we (meaning you) can blog it up :) [18:18] i'm not much for blogging :( [18:18] gilbert: I've been doing this iron-blogger thing with mako et.all (boston cabal), it's been pretty tough [18:18] I have to blog at least once a week or I owe money in the pool :) [18:19] haha, so how do you win? [18:19] gilbert: the people's money who slack is put in a pool, and we throw a big party when we have enough :D [18:19] so if you keep up blogging, you drink off the slackers [18:19] ah, cool [18:20] and if you slack, you just pay for everyone's beer :) [18:20] man, Boston sounds like a great place to be. at one point i wanted to go to mit [18:21] yeah, it's pretty fantastic. There are so many DDs, and we drink together at least once a week on sunday nights [18:22] btw you went through nm insanely fgast [18:22] fast [18:22] gilbert: lots of bribes, my friend, lots of bribes. [18:23] paultag: of course ;) [18:23] gilbert: Enrico is a good friend of the Mako's, and he knows I crash at Mako's house a lot -- my AM was an Ubunfriend, and the bulk of waiting wasn't really waiting [18:23] gilbert: I was doing a lot of gcc patches, so I think they relized I should just be given rights to NMU, so they sorta rushed that as well [18:24] but alas, gregora uploaded all my patches :> [18:24] (stole my rcbugs ;) ) [18:24] paultag: if you do get a chance to put in a good word for me with KiBi, i would really appreciate [18:24] gilbert: I will :) [18:24] paultag: in the meantime, i sent an appology to #debian-release [18:24] yeah, I saw that [18:25] 14:11 < paultag> gilbert: nice post in -release. [18:25] I think he'll appreceate that [18:26] oh, i thought you meant -release ml [18:26] oh, nah, I'm not there [18:26] did you post there too? Shucks [18:26] yeah [18:27] not up on lists yet [18:27] * paultag kicks lists.d.o [18:31] gilbert: may I CC you on an email to the OLF team? [18:31] mgilbert@d.o ? [18:33] yes [18:33] great [18:33] i wanted debian username gilbert, but someone took it in 1994 and never used it :( [18:34] bah [18:34] that sucks [18:34] asked for it to be reassigned, but i guess they won't do that [18:34] I wanted "tag" for everything, but some asshat who does Perl took the whole namespace [18:34] haha [18:40] ugh, i gotto focus on writing...but i don't wanna get started today :( [18:40] yar [18:48] paultag & gilbert .. if you don't mind taking the time, explain in laymans terms what gilbert is at odds with? [18:49] andygraybeal: Oh, nothing so serious [18:49] andygraybeal: both gilbert and I work on Debian, the "parent" distro to Ubuntu [18:49] andygraybeal: and the release team are the people that are in charge of releasing debian and what makes it in there [18:49] andygraybeal: gilbert here fixes problems in the development playground, but in doing so, the release team doesn't like so many changes [18:49] (we're in "freeze" now, which is why) [18:50] nothing major, all parties involved know no one is doing any harm [18:50] it's just a social problem, really. [18:50] (gilbert is doing objectively good work) [18:59] * canthus13 headdesks. [19:00] yay migrating 1 million + email accounts from one hosting provider to another... [19:05] paultag, aahh, okay thank you for catching me up [19:05] andygraybeal: sure. [19:06] canthus13, holy shit dood. [19:06] bros, should i use lube to run cables or not? seems like a big mess to me on one hand, and it might be a lifesaver on the other.. [19:06] what do you guys think? [19:06] i've got my eye on that small bottle of Ideal brand lube [19:07] having worked in my fair share of datacenters, I can say that I've never once used lube to run cables. [19:07] yea, me either [19:07] canthus13: ^ ? [19:07] i workd for two mom and pop companies so far and they didn't either [19:07] I am a bit incredulous [19:08] incredulous means? [19:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byX8H-GffAI&feature=relmfu [19:08] (of a person or their manner) Unwilling or unable to believe something: "an incredulous gasp". [19:08] mistrustful - unbelieving - sceptical - distrustful [19:08] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incredulous [19:08] of the lube? [19:08] yep. [19:08] I mean [19:08] okay cool.. me too bro. [19:08] not of the lube, I know that does it's job well [19:08] just using lube for running cables [19:09] i'm open to trying new things nad if it makes my life easier, aewsome.. btu it just seems like a goddamn mess. [19:09] sorry for cussing [19:09] waxed twine, brah [19:09] hmm.... nice i was getting polyeurothane pulls. [19:09] andygraybeal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_lacing [19:09] astroglide on your Cat6e... [19:09] or something like that. [19:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cable_lacing_close-up.jpg [19:10] it's good shit. [19:11] hmm.. so wait, make a wrap like this to the head of your pull? or is their more too it? [19:12] figure out how you're running cable, and wrap it down the line, and you can tie it off. it's great. Also super easy to cut and rewrap [19:12] which zip-ties aren't [19:12] I'm sure canthus13 has tied his fair share of cables with twine [19:12] ... how far down the line? just the head of the pull right (5 ft or somethign) ? [19:13] it depends [19:14] you just tie segments [19:14] there's a special way of ending it, too [19:14] whip it, whip it good. [19:14] andygraybeal: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/cabling/part5.htm [19:15] i was watching a video and some dood was using a 'cable comb' and velcro and getting the same result [19:16] he had 30 cables in one bundle [19:16] * canthus13 hates cabling. :/ [19:16] it's all on cablesupply.com [19:16] I can do it, but... I'm too damn old to be crawling around crawlspaces, pulling cable. [19:16] paultag, i will read the hnsa link [19:16] good move :> [19:16] canthus13, aye, older than 35? [19:16] yep. [19:17] aah okay then. respect. [19:17] I'm young enough to do it :) [19:17] and there's something nice about tying cable [19:17] it's so … human. [19:18] paultag, i think the same thing about mowing with a scythe [19:20] andygraybeal: s/mowing/babysitting/ [19:20] babysitting with a scythe? [19:20] nice :) [19:20] paultag, respect about lacing man, but i don't have those skills. [19:21] keeps the kids in line.. especially if you wear black robes and a hood. [19:31] check out this beauty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY1XB0rrYes&feature=related