[01:07] <gilbert> paultag: not sure when i'll find the time :(  rather busy right now.  defense coming up very very soon
[12:52] <andygraybeal> hey guys
[13:08] <andygraybeal> anyone have one of those cat5 cable certifier doo-dads?  i've done installation for mom&pop companies and never used one.  i just have one of those 4 pair connectivity testers.
[13:09] <andygraybeal> i wonder if i could borrow it in a couple of weeks for the week?
[13:42] <andygraybeal> anyone hiring beginner linux doods?
[13:43] <andygraybeal> like.. i dunno like linux desktop/server support
[13:43] <andygraybeal> net tech type stuff too
[13:45] <andygraybeal> no microsoft or i will start to kill people
[13:46] <andygraybeal> er, unless the goal is to move away from microsoft then i would fill my role with pride.
[17:48] <gilbert> paultag: me is at odds with the release team :(
[17:59] <paultag> gilbert: I've been watching
[17:59] <paultag> gilbert: I've been in their IRC room, they've mentioned you a few times :)
[17:59] <paultag> nothing bad, I think they understand
[17:59] <gilbert> paultag: i've noticed, but ignored
[18:00] <paultag> gilbert: I've been tracking that bug
[18:00] <paultag> a NMU does seem to be in order :3
[18:00] <paultag> I'm sure if it got uploaded it'd get unblocked
[18:00] <paultag> it's way early in the freeze
[18:01] <gilbert> paultag: i know, they seem to be giving me a hard time because i'm vocal...
[18:01] <paultag> gilbert: if you need another voice, just give me a bugno and ask me to speak my mind ;)
[18:01] <paultag> gilbert: I'm on KiBi's good side these days :)
[18:01] <gilbert> paultag: and i did rush a 0-day nmu when i should have delayed it on one of kibi's packages :(
[18:02] <paultag> oh jeez
[18:02] <paultag> in general 0-days are pretty gnarly
[18:02] <gilbert> my bad
[18:02] <paultag> yar
[18:02] <paultag> gilbert: btw, RE: your thread on your sponsorship guidelines
[18:03] <paultag> gilbert: I put this together for myself (I'm not as RC-NMU as you) - http://people.debian.org/~paultag/sponsorship/
[18:03] <paultag> gilbert: feel free to jack the HTML or whatever you need -- having it on a webpage helps you refer to it nicely :)
[18:03] <gilbert> cool, yeah
[18:04] <paultag> don't know why that came to me now
[18:04] <paultag> but it did :)
[18:06] <gilbert> odd that your hardening link still includes hardening-wrapper instructions
[18:07] <gilbert> that's really been deprecated
[18:07] <paultag> yeah
[18:07] <paultag> typical wiki crap
[18:09] <paultag> gilbert: will you be at OLF?
[18:11] <paultag> gilbert: nice post in -release.
[18:12] <gilbert> paultag: hecks yeah :)
[18:12] <gilbert> thx
[18:12] <paultag> gilbert: we should set up a debian BSP / sprint
[18:12] <paultag> I'm going to make plans to go
[18:13] <paultag> now that i'm working and can do such things
[18:13] <gilbert> paultag: sweet!  are they paying for you as a business trip?
[18:14] <paultag> gilbert: they paid for me to go to PyCon -- not sure if this could get written off or not, but likely it'd be the sort of thing where it's written off as a hackathon perhaps :(
[18:14] <paultag> :) *
[18:14] <paultag> (I get as many hackathons as needed, I'm heading to Canada for one in September as well)
[18:14] <gilbert> nice :)
[18:15] <paultag> but yeah, we should figure out if OLF's folks would give us some space to hax
[18:15] <paultag> I remember wifi being shit, so we should work that out as well
[18:15] <gilbert> completely forgotabout pyohio.  thats coming up on jul 28
[18:16] <gilbert> oh yeah, its horrible, but booths get the secret pssword
[18:16] <paultag> don't we usually get one for Ubuntu? (CC thafreak / Cheri703 / canthus13 / * )
[18:16] <paultag> jacob: might know too
[18:16] <gilbert> yeah, thats what i mean
[18:16] <paultag> gilbert: ah, cool.
[18:17] <paultag> but yeah, we should find somewhere to have a mini-sprint, see if we can put a smallish dent in something
[18:17] <gilbert> one of the organizers came by at the beginning of the first day and gave us the password
[18:17] <gilbert> (last year)
[18:17] <paultag> Oh damn, I missed it last year, I forgot
[18:17] <gilbert> paultag: yeah, that would be awesome
[18:17] <gilbert> paultag: will probably be mostly rc-fixing since it will be very late freeze
[18:17] <paultag> Yep, ACK to that
[18:18] <gilbert> then we (meaning you) can blog it up :)
[18:18] <gilbert> i'm not much for blogging :(
[18:18] <paultag> gilbert: I've been doing this iron-blogger thing with mako et.all (boston cabal), it's been pretty tough
[18:18] <paultag> I have to blog at least once a week or I owe money in the pool :)
[18:19] <gilbert> haha, so how do you win?
[18:19] <paultag> gilbert: the people's money who slack is put in a pool, and we throw a big party when we have enough :D
[18:19] <paultag> so if you keep up blogging, you drink off the slackers
[18:19] <gilbert> ah, cool
[18:20] <paultag> and if you slack, you just pay for everyone's beer :)
[18:20] <gilbert> man, Boston sounds like a great place to be.  at one point i wanted to go to mit
[18:21] <paultag> yeah, it's pretty fantastic. There are so many DDs, and we drink together at least once a week on sunday nights
[18:22] <gilbert> btw you went through nm insanely fgast
[18:22] <gilbert> fast
[18:22] <paultag> gilbert: lots of bribes, my friend, lots of bribes.
[18:23] <gilbert> paultag: of course ;)
[18:23] <paultag> gilbert: Enrico is a good friend of the Mako's, and he knows I crash at Mako's house a lot -- my AM was an Ubunfriend, and the bulk of waiting wasn't really waiting
[18:23] <paultag> gilbert: I was doing a lot of gcc patches, so I think they relized I should just be given rights to NMU, so they sorta rushed that as well
[18:24] <paultag> but alas, gregora uploaded all my patches :>
[18:24] <paultag> (stole my rcbugs ;) )
[18:24] <gilbert> paultag: if you do get a chance to put in a good word for me with KiBi, i would really appreciate
[18:24] <paultag> gilbert: I will :)
[18:24] <gilbert> paultag: in the meantime, i sent an appology to #debian-release
[18:24] <paultag> yeah, I saw that
[18:25] <paultag> 14:11 < paultag> gilbert: nice post in -release.
[18:25] <paultag> I think he'll appreceate that
[18:26] <gilbert> oh, i thought you meant -release ml
[18:26] <paultag> oh, nah, I'm not there
[18:26] <paultag> did you post there too? Shucks
[18:26] <gilbert> yeah
[18:27] <paultag> not up on lists yet
[18:27]  * paultag kicks lists.d.o
[18:31] <paultag> gilbert: may I CC you on an email to the OLF team?
[18:31] <paultag> mgilbert@d.o ?
[18:33] <gilbert> yes
[18:33] <paultag> great
[18:33] <gilbert> i wanted debian username gilbert, but someone took it in 1994 and never used it :(
[18:34] <paultag> bah
[18:34] <paultag> that sucks
[18:34] <gilbert> asked for it to be reassigned, but i guess they won't do that
[18:34] <paultag> I wanted "tag" for everything, but some asshat who does Perl took the whole namespace
[18:34] <gilbert> haha
[18:40] <gilbert> ugh, i gotto focus on writing...but i don't wanna get started today :(
[18:40] <paultag> yar
[18:48] <andygraybeal> paultag & gilbert .. if you don't mind taking the time, explain in laymans terms what gilbert is at odds with?
[18:49] <paultag> andygraybeal: Oh, nothing so serious
[18:49] <paultag> andygraybeal: both gilbert and I work on Debian, the "parent" distro to Ubuntu
[18:49] <paultag> andygraybeal: and the release team are the people that are in charge of releasing debian and what makes it in there
[18:49] <paultag> andygraybeal: gilbert here fixes problems in the development playground, but in doing so, the release team doesn't like so many changes
[18:49] <paultag> (we're in "freeze" now, which is why)
[18:50] <paultag> nothing major, all parties involved know no one is doing any harm
[18:50] <paultag> it's just a social problem, really.
[18:50] <paultag> (gilbert is doing objectively good work)
[18:59]  * canthus13 headdesks.
[19:00] <canthus13> yay migrating 1 million + email accounts from one hosting provider to another...
[19:05] <andygraybeal> paultag, aahh, okay thank you for catching me up
[19:05] <paultag> andygraybeal: sure.
[19:06] <andygraybeal> canthus13, holy shit dood.
[19:06] <andygraybeal> bros, should i use lube to run cables or not?  seems like a big mess to me on one hand, and it might be a lifesaver on the other..
[19:06] <andygraybeal> what do you guys think?
[19:06] <andygraybeal> i've got my eye on that small bottle of Ideal brand lube
[19:07] <paultag> having worked in my fair share of datacenters, I can say that I've never once used lube to run cables.
[19:07] <andygraybeal> yea, me either
[19:07] <paultag> canthus13: ^ ?
[19:07] <andygraybeal> i workd for two mom and pop companies so far and they didn't either
[19:07] <paultag> I am a bit incredulous
[19:08] <andygraybeal> incredulous means?
[19:08] <paultag> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byX8H-GffAI&feature=relmfu
[19:08] <paultag> (of a person or their manner) Unwilling or unable to believe something: "an incredulous gasp".
[19:08] <paultag> mistrustful - unbelieving - sceptical - distrustful
[19:08] <paultag> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incredulous
[19:08] <andygraybeal> of the lube?
[19:08] <paultag> yep.
[19:08] <paultag> I mean
[19:08] <andygraybeal> okay cool.. me too bro.
[19:08] <paultag> not of the lube, I know that does it's job well
[19:08] <paultag> just using lube for running cables
[19:09] <andygraybeal> i'm open to trying new things nad if it makes my life easier, aewsome.. btu it just seems like a goddamn mess.
[19:09] <andygraybeal> sorry for cussing
[19:09] <paultag> waxed twine, brah
[19:09] <andygraybeal> hmm.... nice i was getting polyeurothane pulls.
[19:09] <paultag> andygraybeal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable_lacing
[19:09] <canthus13> astroglide on your Cat6e...
[19:09] <andygraybeal> or something like that.
[19:10] <paultag> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cable_lacing_close-up.jpg
[19:10] <paultag> it's good shit.
[19:11] <andygraybeal> hmm.. so wait, make a wrap like this to the head of your pull?  or is their more too it?
[19:12] <paultag> figure out how you're running cable, and wrap it down the line, and you can tie it off. it's great. Also super easy to cut and rewrap
[19:12] <paultag> which zip-ties aren't
[19:12] <paultag> I'm sure canthus13 has tied his fair share of cables with twine
[19:12] <andygraybeal> ... how far down the line?  just the head of the pull right (5 ft or somethign) ?
[19:13] <paultag> it depends
[19:14] <paultag> you just tie segments
[19:14] <paultag> there's a special way of ending it, too
[19:14] <andygraybeal> whip it, whip it good.
[19:14] <paultag> andygraybeal: http://www.hnsa.org/doc/cabling/part5.htm
[19:15] <andygraybeal> i was watching a video and some dood was using a 'cable comb' and velcro and getting the same result
[19:16] <andygraybeal> he had 30 cables in one bundle
[19:16]  * canthus13 hates cabling. :/
[19:16] <andygraybeal> it's all on cablesupply.com
[19:16] <canthus13> I can do it, but... I'm too damn old to be crawling around crawlspaces, pulling cable.
[19:16] <andygraybeal> paultag, i will read the hnsa link
[19:16] <paultag> good move :>
[19:16] <andygraybeal> canthus13, aye, older than 35?
[19:16] <canthus13> yep.
[19:17] <andygraybeal> aah okay then. respect.
[19:17] <paultag> I'm young enough to do it :)
[19:17] <paultag> and there's something nice about tying cable
[19:17] <paultag> it's so … human.
[19:18] <andygraybeal> paultag, i think the same thing about mowing with a scythe
[19:20] <canthus13> andygraybeal: s/mowing/babysitting/
[19:20] <andygraybeal> babysitting with a scythe?
[19:20] <andygraybeal> nice :)
[19:20] <andygraybeal> paultag, respect about lacing man, but i don't have those skills.
[19:21] <canthus13> keeps the kids in line.. especially if you wear black robes and a hood.
[19:31] <andygraybeal> check out this beauty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY1XB0rrYes&feature=related