[05:50] fp [05:50] hi Squirm i thought everyone gave that up [05:51] :P [05:51] * Squirm shrugs [05:51] used to be a contest coupla years ago [05:59] Good morning ZA [05:59] hiya not_found [05:59] thats a terrible nick [06:00] why uncle Kilos ? [06:00] because you arent lost man [06:01] not lost, just not found [06:01] ;) [06:02] not lost just hard to find at times [06:02] ping inetpro / nuvolari ... we can discuss Team Reporting when ever you guys are available... [06:02] Kilos, +1 [06:04] we hit -2°c last night [06:05] i think nuvolari you wont get much from during the day but i might be mistaken [06:06] inetpro, after 9am here [06:10] Kilos, ah yes... still a bit early in ZA land... and -2... can [06:10] can't remeber how that feels [06:10] hehe terrible [06:10] bit warmer by the pro but he bikes to work [06:13] hi magespawn [06:13] morning Kilos [06:29] Maaz coffee on [06:29] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [06:30] * magespawn just cannot seem to wake up in winter [06:30] Maaz, coffee please [06:30] Kilos: Done [06:31] waking up isnt the prob its finding the courage to leave the warm bed [06:31] very true that, even here in kzn [06:32] hehe [06:33] Coffee's ready for magespawn and Kilos! [06:33] ty Maaz [06:34] Maaz, ty [06:34] You are welcome Kilos [06:35] lol [06:35] Maaz ty [06:35] You are welcome magespawn [06:36] i forgot my computer on at home [06:36] oops [06:37] slight problem that queery [06:39] yea [06:39] well at least I can use queery again [06:39] hehe [06:54] eish. power gone. all day. will be back inna avy asap [06:56] fone battery dont last long here [06:56] have a good day guys [06:59] magespawn, copy all off it and format the drive [07:01] that would be the best yes. [07:01] morning all [07:01] use win thi [07:01] eish [07:02] morning oom_koos_ [07:02] yup [07:02] bbl [07:03] im sure it was a virus or something. so formatting is good [07:03] bb when power returns === Fred_ is now known as Guest45755 [08:32] what is new on the ubuntu latest version [08:35] Unity 56 [08:35] Unity 5 [08:35] http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/whats-new [08:36] thanks for the link superfly :) [08:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes [08:50] thanks === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [09:15] I musn't get mad. [09:15] Incidentally, being a leader sucks [09:30] * not_found doesn't know about that [10:12] Maaz: what's for lunch? [10:12] inetpro: I prefer St Elmo's... but Scooters' deep pan pizza is also very yummy [10:13] hmm... [10:13] * inetpro even more hungry now === Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [11:19] * Kilos returns from the land of the powerless [11:29] ahoy thar [11:30] hi kieren [11:30] how long would it take a noob (me) to update a package? [11:30] what package [11:30] ok, i'm not a total noob, but i've never packaged anything before [11:30] arduino [11:31] im a noobis it already installed [11:32] no no, the package in universe is horrible out of date [11:32] what release are you using [11:32] ubuntu release that is [11:33] oneiric [11:33] i think [11:33] gosh, i've been using arch for too long [11:35] sorry power cut seems to have hurt something [11:35] i use my magic powers to summon... [11:35] tumbleweed [11:36] hehe [11:37] kieren, what ubuntu release are you using [11:37] sorry was cut off [11:37] we can ask maaz === Kilos- is now known as Kilos [11:38] Kilos: oneiric [11:38] Maaz, google how to update arduino on ubuntu oneiric [11:38] Kilos: "arduino : Oneiric (11.10) : Ubuntu" https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+package/arduino :: "Installing Arduino 0023 on Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) « Matt ..." http://mattgreensmith.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/installing-arduino-0023-on-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot/ :: "Matt Greensmith's Ramblings" http://mattgreensmith.wordpress.com/ :: "Ubuntu -- Details of package arduino in oneiric" http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/arduino :: [11:39] this is not what i want [11:39] this is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete [11:39] oh sorry [11:39] but i don't want to get into something big and hairy without knowing it [11:40] Maaz: are you ibid? [11:40] kieren: Huh? [11:40] yes he is [11:40] :) [11:40] i like tibid. some of the most ridiculous factoids [11:41] you might have to hang around a while tumbles just got back last night from devcon [11:41] oh right [11:41] so dunno how much work he has to catch up with [11:41] not_found, ideas? [11:41] aah, no rush or anything [11:42] there are other clever guys here but most are busy [11:49] Kilos, uh? [11:51] * not_found is going to be AFK for a bit... [11:51] kieren: hi [11:51] hi tumbleweed [11:51] the packaging guide has been mostly replaced by http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ [11:52] aah [11:52] as to how long it'll take you to update a package, that depends on much myou want to learn in the process [11:52] what package is it? [11:52] tumbleweed: arduino [11:52] should be fairly straight forward [11:52] what version do you want? [11:53] newest, 1.0.1 [11:53] (and on what ubuntu release?) [11:53] much has changed [11:53] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arduino 1.0.1 is available on quantal and precise-backports [11:54] aah [11:54] cool [11:54] and here's me still on oneiric... [11:54] i'm scared to upgrade now because all three of my other operating systems broke this morning [11:54] try backportpackage, see if it works without modification [11:55] if it does, you can request that it be published in oneiric-backports too [11:55] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports [11:56] orsm, thanks [11:57] have you been helped kieren ? [12:00] Kilos: all sorted, thanks [12:00] great [12:02] Kilos: I just missed your asking about me, last night, when I got home (ATL->AMS->CPT takes a while) [12:03] ah ty tumbleweed . we wondered if you were home safe [12:03] yes, thanks [12:12] yo nlsthzn [12:12] Hey uncle Kilos [12:13] Bbl [12:28] Maaz, announce A great meeting was had last night by all who attended [12:28] Announcement from Kilos! A great meeting was had last night by all who attended [12:28] grr [12:29] Kilos: any minutes? [12:30] yes there are tumbleweed [12:30] eish i lost them [12:31] nuvolari, where are last nights minutes lad [12:31] dankie inetpro [12:31] it'd be nice if minutes were posted on the mailing list after meetings [12:32] will do [12:33] ok they are there too now [12:34] thanks [12:34] twit place got them too [12:35] yw [12:37] tumbleweed, has the hear ye hear ye announcement a special way of being used [12:38] Kilos: not really [12:38] Maaz: literal announce $arg [12:38] tumbleweed: 1: Announcement from $who! $1, 2: Hear ye, hear ye! $1 [12:38] because maaz stopped saying hear ye before now [12:38] so he'll randomly pick between those two [12:39] you can force a hear ye if you want [12:39] Maaz: announce The minutes have been posted on the list /hear ye/ [12:39] tumbleweed: Got it [12:39] eep [12:39] for 1$ [12:39] Maaz: last set factoid [12:39] tumbleweed: It was: announce The minutes [12:39] hehe [12:39] Maaz: forget announce the minutes [12:39] tumbleweed: Okay [12:41] so do i use literal announce 2: post? [12:49] I tried to figure that out, and ran into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibid/+bug/567547 along the way [12:49] so, I don't know :) [12:49] oh my [12:57] magespawn, you lurking in away mode? [13:14] Eh, screw it. I'm not very good at being a leader anyway. I'm too impatient, direct and opinionated to be good at it. [13:15] A leader isn't something you do, it is someone you are [13:16] you can work at it though [13:16] before saying something, stop and think how you would like to be addressed [13:17] one must lead by example [13:17] That's part of the problem. I would like people to be direct with me and fight back. [13:17] lol [13:18] http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/nimrod-the-great/page/4 [13:18] depends if you are in charge of them or not. [13:19] For example, the last two critical posts has me angry. So I said screw it and will be doing it regardless [13:19] peeps are taught not to argue with the boss [13:19] then I'll have the users decide [13:19] Screw the other devs [13:20] oh you guys are supposed to be a team [13:20] Well, godane (Christopher Rogers) breaks SliTaz more than he fixes [13:20] So his opinion has about as much weight as mine. Only he has a pretty forceful personality [13:20] then be diplomatic [13:21] Maaz, diplomat [13:21] A diplomat is a person who can tell others to go to hell in such a nice way that they look forward to the trip [13:24] Oh I have something planned that will allow both sides to exist, bring back people that left the project and still get nimrod accepted as a good programming language choice [13:24] It does however involve me having to apologize to a few people [13:28] Can't be helped though. If I have to drag binary replacements for 2000+ line shell scripts by sheer force of will, then so be it. [13:34] Kilos, inetpro, superfly and everybody else who did the meeting last night, thanks good job [13:34] sorry I couldn't make it, I just scanned the minutes [13:36] maiatoday: Most of them agreed that you deserve a medal for all the effort you put into everything and that they understood that you couldn't be online last night. Just relaying the sentiment since I don't really know you :P [13:39] Anyway bbl [13:39] thanks Trixar_za [13:39] * inetpro agrees with Trixar_za's sentiment === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [13:40] maiatoday: np, was a good meeting indeed [13:41] always more stuff that can be added though [13:41] but we can work on that [13:41] we missed you maiatoday [13:42] Ah thanks Trix[a]r_za [13:42] and you forgot to mention nuvolari by name he will sulk for a week [13:42] I was debug some urgent code for a dead line [13:42] maiatoday: now if you can help not_found with the reporting I'd appreciate it [13:42] thanks to nuvolari too [13:42] * not_found was rang... [13:42] *yawn [13:43] not_found can I help you? [13:43] * inetpro still has a few things to do at the office [13:43] I am so proud of you guys chairing and doing agendas and reminding everybody [13:44] maiatoday, I am sure you can... with what is the question how-ever... I volenteered to do reporting and as it stands I am still a little in the dark to all that entails... [13:44] ok you go to the wiki.ubuntu.com and look for ZATeam [13:44] there are examples of our monthly reports on there [13:45] so just scan the meetings and so on and add it to that months wiki page [13:45] if no page exists copy the previous month and rename [13:45] k... so first thing, make sure the IRC meeting apears on the wiki page ... check :) [13:45] here's an example https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports/12/June [13:45] you need a launchpad login to log into the wiki to edit it [13:46] k, so basically just try and capture everything that happened in the month with a link if possible? [13:46] * Kilos goes for sheep [13:46] * not_found can edit the wiki... [13:48] maiatoday, let me add the previous meeting etc. and if I have any questions I will ask (and feel free to point out if/when I miss someting) [13:48] yeah sure [13:48] it's really easy [13:48] one or two lines is ok [13:48] the monthly report feeds into the big ubuntu monthly reports which go into the weekly newsletter [13:48] k... [13:49] the deadline for July is the first Sunday Aug [13:49] somewhere there is a link on how to do it, I'll look for it [13:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting [13:50] not_found: ^^ [13:50] alreay got the link thanks [13:51] kk... pity the sorting on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports/ seems to sort alphabetically and stuffs up the chronological order (I will also add links to the page to the months that are missing|) [13:51] ok then you are sorted [13:52] :) [13:52] well if you add links to the missing months what will we write in those months, or do you mean the future months [13:52] maiatoday, the wiki pages are created for june/may etc. just not showing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports ... I will add them there too [13:52] thanks for helping with this not_found, ideally people who do stuff can add it on their own but we need someone to drive it [13:52] ah ok [13:53] I hear you :p [13:55] mmm I see the list uses an auto population of sorts... wonder why the last few meetings are missing?! [14:00] see you later all [14:19] kieren: any progress? [14:20] tumbleweed: not doing it now, my laptop is freaking out [14:20] and i think i'll just upgrade to quantal anyway [14:20] yay :/ [14:21] ubuntu dev releases are pretty much stable enough to run [14:22] although, things sometimes get a bit interesting just before feature freeze, when everyone tries to land their features, with or without major bugs [14:22] but that's just crazy UI brokenness, not machines that don't boot [14:23] is this format now depreciated - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/ ? [14:24] in favour of this format - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports [14:24] or should both be maintained? [14:25] I'd say both. But team reports are certainly the more useful of the two [14:26] hmmm... [14:26] also, I am wondering why https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports isn [14:26] isn't showing the last few months [14:26] even though the wiki pages are there [14:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports?action=refresh [14:30] *tada* [14:31] tumbleweed, cool... thanks... [15:29] Afternoon all [15:30] If you haven't seen it yet: http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/steamd-penguins/ [15:40] thats good news [15:41] gaming is the enemies only advantage [16:08] Any partimage knowledgeable guys around ? [16:12] g'evening [16:12] what is that mazal [16:12] lo nuvolari [16:12] Evening nuvolari, Kilos [16:12] Kilos it is used for cloning a HDD [16:12] ah [16:13] I was just wondering of the splitted parts can be opened somehow when one only want to retrieve 1 folder or file [16:14] splitted parts [16:14] ? [16:14] you need to explain things nicely to me [16:14] Yeah , the software split and zip the backup into 2 gig parts [16:15] oh it did split? [16:15] or you want to split it [16:15] It did split it [16:16] then it hasnt cloned very well [16:16] All the cloning does that [16:16] or were they split before on the one you want to clone from [16:16] So your image is a folder with all your data , splitted into different parts [16:16] a clone should be an exact copy [16:17] Kilos not if you clone to a folder. I guess "image" would be better description [16:17] oh to a folder not another drive [16:17] Yep [16:18] excuse my ignorance [16:18] Hehe np , I use the wrong word [16:19] the files you are looking for, cant you get them off the drive [16:19] No it works excellently when loaded back in full to a new or different HDD. But I am wondering if I just want to extract 1 folder out of those parts [16:20] whew better wait for some brains to arrive [16:20] Let's say for example , my HDD didn't break down and I don't want to restore the entire drive. I just need to get 1 folder out that I accidentily deleted [16:22] is your drive broken? [16:22] then there are data recovery tools [16:23] Nope the drives are both fine [16:23] yay [16:23] It's just something I am thinking about [16:23] Always thinking ahead [16:23] did you google finding files in an image [16:24] you are using linux hey? [16:24] ubuntu? [16:24] The image are made with Redo backup , excellent software btw, and that is Linux based yes and looks like it uses partimage as primary software [16:25] Personally I don't think it can be done [16:25] But doesn't hurt to ask :) [16:25] burn the image to cd and then it should be browsable [16:26] make an iso of it [16:26] Way to big :P [16:26] dvd? [16:26] Is there somewhere I can paste a pic easily ? [16:26] large usb stick? [16:27] imageshack i think its called [16:27] or dogbox or something [16:27] dropbox [16:27] im not sure [16:28] nuvolari, help man [16:28] moenie lurk nie [16:30] Now I'm struggling to find an app that can crop the image [16:30] shotwell [16:31] or gimp [16:31] yeah dont paste big meg pics [16:37] http://www.mediafire.com/view/?cv5abxtzvn8s2x6 [16:38] That will give you good idea what I am talking about [16:38] You see those "part" files are all splitted parts of the HDD image [16:39] what happens if you try open the folder [16:40] isnt everything in it [16:40] When I try and open any one of them it doesn't know what app to use [16:41] I'm gonna google it a bit , see what I can come up with [16:41] hmm hang around someone will have some ideas on what to use [16:44] Seems it can't be done : [16:45] "Any hope of a browser like utility to allow restoring individual files from the archives? Like Ghost Explorer ? [16:45] Sorry, Partition Image is not a high level program, like Ghost. Ghost makes a file copy, and we obtain a file in a tar.gz archive, with other details (such as the boot sector). But Partimage works at a low level, as Drive Image: it copies used blocks of the disk. So, it doesn't know where files are written, and cannot allow to see files in the image without restoring. But maybe it will become possible in future versions. We will try to [16:45] make partimage image files mountable: a driver, such as the loop one, could allow us to make an image file be a block device. " [16:45] maybe you are looking for problems where there arent any [16:45] hehe [16:47] Just like to be prepared , now I know that rsync must defnitely be part of backups :) [16:48] i always rsync home and archives to an external [16:48] wonderful tool [16:49] Only problem is , my one "darkside" machine doesn't have that. So will need to get an tool for it [16:50] darkside? [16:50] wwinsucks [16:50] uhu [16:50] Have 1 of those [16:51] kinda gives new meaning to 'come to the dark side, we have cookies' [16:51] lol [16:51] lol [16:52] My Ubuntu laptop I am sorted very well , remastersys iso frequently with seperate /home which get's rsync'ed every night [16:52] oom Kilos, wat gaan oom môre doen vir 67 min? [16:52] of is dit nou 76? [16:52] lol google remastersys for winsucks [16:53] lol nuvolari jy tender [16:53] I think I will get a "You want to do WHAT !!!!! ???" [16:53] * nuvolari will sleep that couple of minutes :P [16:53] eh? waarvoor tender ek oom Kilos ? [16:53] haha @ mazal [16:53] n hout overal [16:57] Later gents , gonna go have a snack :) [16:57] enjoy [16:57] :) [16:57] hi smile [16:58] hi Kilos :p [17:01] i go eat [17:04] have a great meal :D [17:04] :) [17:13] lol, ipone 4s [17:13] 'droid wannabe [17:13] just heard an ad on the radio [17:13] google's been doing that for ages [17:25] Maaz, klap nuvolari [17:25] * Maaz klap nuvolari en hol sy gaai af [17:27] * nuvolari is onskuldig!! [17:27] wat het oom vanaand teen my? [17:27] lol [17:27] ek probeer jou lewendig hou seun [17:27] maar ek is mos oom :P [17:27] nou ja [17:28] jy was so lank weg [17:28] ek't hou die geitjie gejaag [17:28] want netnou mis dié op my bank [17:29] en toe skuif hy tot reg bo my lessenaar [17:29] lol [17:29] hulle word eintlik n pes daar onder [17:29] en hardkoppig! [17:29] ja :-/ [17:29] hulle was oulik aan die begin [17:29] doom [17:29] superdoom [17:29] en hou die vlië en goggas weg [17:29] nee man [17:30] maar in ruil daarvoor los hulle mis strepe teen die muur :- ( [17:30] hulle vang 2 of 3 inna dag [17:30] ek gaan gou die koffie water aansit [17:30] k [17:34] sjoe [17:35] ek't al amper vergeet hoe lekker yoghurt is [17:35] lol [17:35] sflr is baie siek met die griep [17:45] bye :D [17:48] cheers smile [17:48] sleep tight [17:49] enjoy holiday [17:49] thanks :D [17:49] you too :) [18:14]