[08:36] <thauriswulfa> How do I open webdisk in xubuntu? Tried thunar but nothing happens after authentication.
[08:38] <thauriswulfa> sorry posted in wrong channel
[20:38] <knome> astraljava, ?
[20:43] <knome> hey scott-work :)
[20:43] <pleia2> everyone stopped talking in here because you started looking for a doc lead
[20:43] <knome> i didn't say "doc lead"... :)
[20:43] <pleia2> uh huh
[20:43] <pleia2> :)
[20:43] <knome> and yes, i agree, we really should get it forward
[20:44] <knome> my thoughts are "just start"
[20:44] <knome> just start with writing stuff to wiki now, with the people who are willing to write
[20:44] <pleia2> sounds good
[20:44] <knome> we can worry about converting to docbook later
[20:44] <pleia2> once it's on the wiki we can then work on getting it somewhere more formal
[20:44] <knome> yes.
[20:44] <pleia2> yeah, that
[20:45] <knome> if we don't have content, it doesn't matter if we had the best docbook experts ready to work 24/7
[20:45]  * pleia2 nods
[20:45] <knome> do you have any ideas on how to structure stuff?
[20:45] <knome> well, to be honest, the ubuntu wiki is just way too slow
[20:45] <knome> i'd like it to work faster, and i'd really like to use it, but it's REALLY slow.
[20:46] <pleia2> yeah, we use google docs for the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter (wiki is just our publishing place)
[20:46] <knome> i'm even wondering if somebody (*cough* pleia2 *cough*) would be willing to set up a temp wiki
[20:46] <knome> or something
[20:46] <pleia2> well, I did that for ubuntu women
[20:46] <pleia2> can do for this too
[20:46] <knome> i think etherpad would be wonderful... as long as we can make sure the data is secured
[20:46] <knome> but a wiki works too, really
[20:47] <knome> generally, avoiding (file-)locks would be awesome
[20:47] <pleia2> I'm not so experienced with configuring etherpad, and apparently a poorly configured one is a disaster :)
[20:47] <knome> i suppose the lite version isn't quite stable yet, and the old version is just really a memory hog
[20:47] <pleia2> yeah
[20:48] <knome> is there any wiki that would allow multiple editors per-time?
[20:48] <pleia2> I don't think so
[20:48] <knome> does for example, mediawiki support multiple editors, if you edit just a part of the page?
[20:49] <pleia2> not that I'm aware of
[20:49] <knome> (i'm not suggesting to use mediawiki, but i'm thinking if *anybody* is doing that, even in some weird way)
[20:49] <knome> ok, so pretty much any wiki would go
[20:50] <pleia2> ubuntu wiki uses moin, I've set it up before, so I'm inclined to go that way
[20:50] <Unit193> Bleh, moin...
[20:50] <knome> pleia2, dokuwiki isn't bad, and it's easy to set up
[20:51] <pleia2> Unit193: you're not even on the doc team!
[20:51] <knome> Unit193, yeah, shut up
[20:51] <knome> :<
[20:51] <Unit193> pleia2: \o/
[20:51] <Unit193> :D
[20:51] <pleia2> hehe
[20:52] <knome> wait, the long testcase is reviewed now?
[20:53] <pleia2> I think so
[20:53] <knome> yay
[20:53] <pleia2> we made lots of changes
[20:53] <pleia2> we == astraljava
[20:53] <knome> hehe, yeah
[20:53] <knome> under my guidance, naturally
[20:53] <knome> :P
[20:53] <pleia2> naturally
[20:53] <knome> well, yeah, most of it came from our sprint
[20:54] <knome> from either one of us
[20:54] <knome> even if astraljava went to zombie mode
[20:54] <knome> "wait, what did i/you say in the last 30 mins?"
[20:57] <pleia2> so do we actually know where on launchpad our docs live?
[20:57] <knome> no.
[20:57] <pleia2> https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-doc is old
[20:57] <knome> so, is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/Long the latest "long" version now?
[20:58] <knome> and anything under Testing/TestingInfo can be deleted?
[20:58] <knome> well, the short page is, but are we ready to dump the long version too?
[21:01] <pleia2> I think, yes to all
[21:02] <knome> great!
[21:02] <knome> i deleted the TestingInfo pages with meaningful messages.
[21:02] <knome> what are the "HardwareProfile" pages?
[21:03] <knome> oh, that's some kind of guide how to create one?
[21:04] <knome> is the one under "short" the same as directly under "testing" ?
[21:04] <knome> where is hobgoblin when you need him
[21:10] <pleia2> https://code.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs
[21:10] <pleia2> and it's in docbook
[21:11] <knome> ok.
[21:12] <pleia2> http://dagobah.princessleia.com/Xubuntu
[21:12] <pleia2> so what we need is someone who can coordinate getting what we have now out of xubuntu-docs in docbook and on that wiki for people to edit, and then back into the package
[21:13] <pleia2> or someone who has a better idea than doing any of this at all with a wiki :)
[21:14] <knome> copy-paste?
[21:14] <pleia2> maybe one of the folks who volunteered to help with documentation can do this
[21:14] <knome> well
[21:14] <knome> the thing is
[21:14] <knome> i'm not sure if we should have the exact same structure as we had before
[21:14] <pleia2> could copy/paste from the .html output, tediously
[21:14] <knome> or if we need to cover all the same stuff now
[21:14] <knome> or if something is lacking
[21:14] <pleia2> yeah, but I think we should let it evolve from what we have now
[21:14] <knome> probably, but how to track/decide what do drop?
[21:15] <knome> just lots of mail to -devel
[21:15] <knome> "i'd like to drop this"
[21:15] <pleia2> and maybe some meetings
[21:15] <knome> "i think we shouldn't keep this"
[21:15] <knome> we could probably get a new mailing list up relatively easily
[21:15] <knome> US did that a while ago
[21:15] <knome> if we don't want to flood the -devel list, i mean
[21:15] <pleia2> I hate new mailing lists :)
[21:15] <knome> me too.
[21:16] <knome> but i'm not sure if i like flooding -devel either
[21:16] <pleia2> and I don't think it'll be years of high traffic, this is a pretty major overhaul
[21:16] <knome> yes.
[21:16] <pleia2> I actually wouldn't mind seeing more traffic on the list
[21:16] <pleia2> QA stuff too
[21:17] <knome> yeah.
[21:17] <knome> well, maybe that's fine then.
[21:18] <pleia2> my lunch break is wrapping up, we can talk at meeting in the morning
[21:19] <pleia2> (then later, airplane!)
[21:19] <knome> mm-hmm
[21:19] <knome> see you, and have fun meanwhile
[21:19] <knome> i'll be away from thu to sun
[21:19] <knome> no, make that fri-sun
[21:19] <knome> but i'll be around at the meeting tomorrow, for sure
[21:20] <pleia2> I'll have internet while at the conference thu-saturday, but who knows how much I'll be around
[21:20] <knome> :)
[21:20] <knome> i don't have internet when i'm off
[21:20] <knome> so, i'll really be off fri-sun :D
[21:20] <pleia2> biggest thing is making sure we can get the alpha3 out hte door
[21:20] <knome> ye
[21:20] <knome> s
[21:20] <knome> btw...
[21:20] <knome> we probably want to take part in 12.04.1 ?
[21:20] <pleia2> oh yeah, probably
[21:20] <knome> i'll sign that off then.
[21:21] <pleia2> I don't know how though :)
[21:21] <knome> i know
[21:21] <knome> done
[21:21] <pleia2> it's what we told people to wait for if they were doing 10.04 > 12.04 upgrades
[21:21] <pleia2> anyway, workies now
[21:21] <knome> see you!
[21:21] <Unit193> Adios!